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Dear ,

When Katy (who by the way is 14) was at her worst -- just being diagnosed and

everything going wrong, we also had to deal with her belief system about death

and about life. One of our best resources turned out to be a telephone

counselor at Focus on the Family. I called their 800 number and just asked to

talk with someone who could counsel me on how to talk with her. The gentleman

I talked to was wonderful. He not only gave me good advice, he encouraged me

and realized that I was as injured as she was. Later I recieved from him a

long list of recommended books for us to choose from and some freebies. I

highly recommend their counseling. Their number is: 1-. They

will ask you where you heard Focus on the Family's radio broadcast -- just

tell them you got the number from a friend! Hang in there. These questions

bring up hard answers for all of us. But I believe that you can't really

enjoy living until you settle the dying questions.

In His service,

Dale

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Sue, Macey is only in preschool but is homebound schooled by a county school

teacher. She qualifies for the teacher to come to the house because Macey's

immunologist has said that she is not ready to go out to school. You might

check with the local school system because they are required by law to

provide equal access to " other health impaired " children. Macey receives

Speech and OT at home through the school system also.

I think the winter hits alot of people hard, no matter what their immune

system function is.

Your address shows up in the " From " area of the email with the PedPID

address showing in the TO: part. The traffic was alittle slow over the

weekend but picks up during the week.

Try and send everything to PedPIDonelist and things should get through

pretty well.

Ursula Holleman

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Dear Ursula:

Hi...Yes of course please put it out there if you think it will help. I

tried

to give you as much detail as possible. I did forget to mention that

(9) does lead as much of a normal life as possible. He attends school, when

he is able and enjoys as much of an activity as he can. He does much better

in the spring and summer. (6) plays and does as much as

possible,

but I am now home schooling him. I started him in the fall and discovered

very quickly that it would not work out.

I don't want people to get the idea that all we accomplish in a day is

sickness, although it seems that way right now. I know that every one goes

through good and bad times.....

Write if I can be of any assistance...Thanks again...

How are people getting my address? Are they reading my post? How can I

read

other people's posts? I don't seem to find any others except mine and

yours....

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Sue, Macey is only in preschool but is homebound schooled by a county school

teacher. She qualifies for the teacher to come to the house because Macey's

immunologist has said that she is not ready to go out to school. You might

check with the local school system because they are required by law to

provide equal access to " other health impaired " children. Macey receives

Speech and OT at home through the school system also.

I think the winter hits alot of people hard, no matter what their immune

system function is.

Your address shows up in the " From " area of the email with the PedPID

address showing in the TO: part. The traffic was alittle slow over the

weekend but picks up during the week.

Try and send everything to PedPIDonelist and things should get through

pretty well.

Ursula Holleman

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Dear Ursula:

Hi...Yes of course please put it out there if you think it will help. I

tried

to give you as much detail as possible. I did forget to mention that

(9) does lead as much of a normal life as possible. He attends school, when

he is able and enjoys as much of an activity as he can. He does much better

in the spring and summer. (6) plays and does as much as

possible,

but I am now home schooling him. I started him in the fall and discovered

very quickly that it would not work out.

I don't want people to get the idea that all we accomplish in a day is

sickness, although it seems that way right now. I know that every one goes

through good and bad times.....

Write if I can be of any assistance...Thanks again...

How are people getting my address? Are they reading my post? How can I

read

other people's posts? I don't seem to find any others except mine and

yours....

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Hi ,

My name is Sue Warner and I have 2 children with an immune deficiency. They

both have stomach problems. My youngest is always complaining of a stomach

ache. We have discovered that he is lactose intolerant. We now only use

special milk and he gets a Lactaid (3 ultras) when he wants to have a little

treat. This has helped a lot. He is also receiving IV antibiotics right now

that upset his stomach as well. The boys take Zantac on a daily basis. They

receive IVIG every 2 weeks....Does your daughter take antibiotics regularly or

can you see any pattern with the milk? Let me know if you have any other

questions.

I am at Meach9960@...

Thanks and good luck

Sue Warner

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Hi ,

My name is Sue Warner and I have 2 children with an immune deficiency. They

both have stomach problems. My youngest is always complaining of a stomach

ache. We have discovered that he is lactose intolerant. We now only use

special milk and he gets a Lactaid (3 ultras) when he wants to have a little

treat. This has helped a lot. He is also receiving IV antibiotics right now

that upset his stomach as well. The boys take Zantac on a daily basis. They

receive IVIG every 2 weeks....Does your daughter take antibiotics regularly or

can you see any pattern with the milk? Let me know if you have any other

questions.

I am at Meach9960@...

Thanks and good luck

Sue Warner

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Adam is 3 and has lots of stomach aches, too....and light, clay colored

stools. We are to see the immunologist in April and are going to address this

with her. If you find anything out before then, let me know!!!!!!!

Ginger

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Michele

I was amazed to hear about the undiagnosed stomach pain that persists with

your daughter. My daughter also has the same thing and they have no answers

and feel that her stomach is sending signals to her brain that are wrong.

This is frustrating. It has been chronic for 2 1/2 yr. now. It made no

difference when she was on IVIG and off.

She has had 3 positive cultures come back for helicobacter pylori and was

treated aggressively 3 different occasions.

The pain persists and we are no further to finding answers for it.

They have done 2 scopes on her stomach and all looks perfectly normal.

I would like to know what the connection is to PID.

Take care

Kate

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>From: myj001@...

>

>My name is Michele. I have a daughter with PID. She's never had an

official diagnosis. One of her doctor's believes she has CVID. She is 8

years old and has been sick since she was 5 mos old. She was diagnosed when

she was 6 years old.

>

>She has chronic infections of the respiratory system. She has chronic

stomach pain that no one can figure out. If anyone has any suggestions

please let me know.

>

>She takes IVIG every 4 weeks, this has help alot.

>It has pretty much stopped the infections, but the chronic stomach problems

persist. She's had every test run that the doctors can think of with no

luck.

>

>I think this PedPID is wonderful. It already has help me just knowing

there are people out there who are dealing with the same disease.

>

>Thank You.

>

>

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Michele

I was amazed to hear about the undiagnosed stomach pain that persists with

your daughter. My daughter also has the same thing and they have no answers

and feel that her stomach is sending signals to her brain that are wrong.

This is frustrating. It has been chronic for 2 1/2 yr. now. It made no

difference when she was on IVIG and off.

She has had 3 positive cultures come back for helicobacter pylori and was

treated aggressively 3 different occasions.

The pain persists and we are no further to finding answers for it.

They have done 2 scopes on her stomach and all looks perfectly normal.

I would like to know what the connection is to PID.

Take care

Kate

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>From: myj001@...

>

>My name is Michele. I have a daughter with PID. She's never had an

official diagnosis. One of her doctor's believes she has CVID. She is 8

years old and has been sick since she was 5 mos old. She was diagnosed when

she was 6 years old.

>

>She has chronic infections of the respiratory system. She has chronic

stomach pain that no one can figure out. If anyone has any suggestions

please let me know.

>

>She takes IVIG every 4 weeks, this has help alot.

>It has pretty much stopped the infections, but the chronic stomach problems

persist. She's had every test run that the doctors can think of with no

luck.

>

>I think this PedPID is wonderful. It already has help me just knowing

there are people out there who are dealing with the same disease.

>

>Thank You.

>

>

>------------------------------------------------------------------------

>Did you know that we have over 85,000 e-mail communities at Onelist?

>http://www.onelist.com

>Come visit our new web site and explore a new interest

>------------------------------------------------------------------------

>This forum is open to parents and caregivers of children diagnosed with a

Primary Immune Deficiency. Opinions or medical advice stated here are the

sole responsibility of the poster and should not be taken as professional

advice.

>

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Hi Michele,

Welcome to the group! It really is nice to have other parents who are dealing

with the same issues every day. I think that the comments from Barb are

really on target with the stomach issues. Are they using anything like

Tagamet, etc.? That has helped some for us.

Gail

Kinsey's Mom - 6 1/2 with CVID

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Hi Michele,

Welcome to the group! It really is nice to have other parents who are dealing

with the same issues every day. I think that the comments from Barb are

really on target with the stomach issues. Are they using anything like

Tagamet, etc.? That has helped some for us.

Gail

Kinsey's Mom - 6 1/2 with CVID

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> From: MATHERS313@...

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> Adam is 3 and has lots of stomach aches, too....and light, clay colored

> stools. We are to see the immunologist in April and are going to address this

> with her. If you find anything out before then, let me know!!!!!!!

>

> Ginger

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I recieved this by mistake. I enroled with PedPID yesterday and somehow and

receiving everyones e-mail. I have a daughter with Selective IgA Deficiency and

would love to here from anyone with comments about this.

Sherry

MEACH9960@... wrote:

> From: MEACH9960@...

>

> Hi ,

>

> My name is Sue Warner and I have 2 children with an immune deficiency. They

> both have stomach problems. My youngest is always complaining of a stomach

> ache. We have discovered that he is lactose intolerant. We now only use

> special milk and he gets a Lactaid (3 ultras) when he wants to have a little

> treat. This has helped a lot. He is also receiving IV antibiotics right now

> that upset his stomach as well. The boys take Zantac on a daily basis. They

> receive IVIG every 2 weeks....Does your daughter take antibiotics regularly or

> can you see any pattern with the milk? Let me know if you have any other

> questions.

>

> I am at Meach9960@...

> Thanks and good luck

>

> Sue Warner

>

> ------------------------------------------------------------------------

> Did you know that we have over 85,000 e-mail communities at Onelist?

> http://www.onelist.com

> Come visit our new web site and explore a new interest

> ------------------------------------------------------------------------

> This forum is open to parents and caregivers of children diagnosed with a

Primary Immune Deficiency. Opinions or medical advice stated here are the sole

responsibility of the poster and should not be taken as professional advice.

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I recieved this by mistake. I enroled with PedPID yesterday and somehow and

receiving everyones e-mail. I have a daughter with Selective IgA Deficiency and

would love to here from anyone with comments about this.

Sherry

MEACH9960@... wrote:

> From: MEACH9960@...

>

> Hi ,

>

> My name is Sue Warner and I have 2 children with an immune deficiency. They

> both have stomach problems. My youngest is always complaining of a stomach

> ache. We have discovered that he is lactose intolerant. We now only use

> special milk and he gets a Lactaid (3 ultras) when he wants to have a little

> treat. This has helped a lot. He is also receiving IV antibiotics right now

> that upset his stomach as well. The boys take Zantac on a daily basis. They

> receive IVIG every 2 weeks....Does your daughter take antibiotics regularly or

> can you see any pattern with the milk? Let me know if you have any other

> questions.

>

> I am at Meach9960@...

> Thanks and good luck

>

> Sue Warner

>

> ------------------------------------------------------------------------

> Did you know that we have over 85,000 e-mail communities at Onelist?

> http://www.onelist.com

> Come visit our new web site and explore a new interest

> ------------------------------------------------------------------------

> This forum is open to parents and caregivers of children diagnosed with a

Primary Immune Deficiency. Opinions or medical advice stated here are the sole

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Donna, Giardia is a parasite that causes diarrhea, vomiting, flatulence,

bloating, etc. Flagyl is the normal treatment. It is often hard to locate

in the stools. I also read in a medical book that the damage from Giardia can

last up to one year. For Katy, they couldn't locate Giardia but decided to

treat her with 20 days of Flagyl anyway. We saw very little improvement

because she had been sick for so long (almost 2 years), but about 6 months

after treatment, she seemed to be getting better for no apparent reason. We

really think it was Giardia.

We also found that Katy quit vomiting after every meal when we eliminated all

traces of lactose -- not just in milk -- but in her breads and cookies and

cereals and anything that contains lactose. It's pretty hard to do. You can

obtain a list of all lactose products through " nondairy.com. " on the web.

They have been really helpful and Katy immediately stopped the vomiting.

We're still working on the rest of the digestive system. We hope someday to

be able to try Lactaid tablets and see her diet expanded, but right now we're

just trying to stay afloat with her current diet.

Gail -- I hear you loud and clear. I've failed Katy so many times by not

yelling loud enough -- or trying to keep everyone happy. I agree with

to get doctor's orders written out in detail. After our fiasco at

the Day Hospital, our immunologist wrote out detailed orders (as I dictated

them to her) for what was needed when we started home health care. She even

went so far as to say that any deviation from these orders had to be approved

by her personally and gave them her pager #.

Another thing I'm learning is to personally hold the doctors accountable.

Katy has such terrible reactions to every medication, but I found that just

mentioning it later didn't produce any consideration. So I started insisting

that the doctor see every reaction and make them realize that I was not just

making this stuff up to be hysterical. It has improved her care

considerably. Now they think twice before ordering stuff. They know they'll

have an itchy crying miserable kid in their office.

I call it " documentation by the authorities that be " .

We also had about a year of severe muscle cramps that were driving Katy crazy.

They weren't just in the arms and legs, they were all over - neck muscles,

back muscles, stomach muscle, everywhere. And when they would cramp they

would turn to rock and sometimes leave bruise marks. We were VERY concerned

that she had some kind of major problem. It was a major problem -- but a very

simple solution. Because of all of her bloating and digestive discomfort --

she had quit drinking water. We didn't realize it until her doctor asked us

to make sure she got 2 cups a day and she gagged on it. So we started with 1

cup, then 1 and 1/2. By the time we got up to 4 cups a day - the muscle

cramps stopped. She's up to 6 cups a day now and very seldom gets muscle

cramps unless she's over exercised some muscle. Think horses not zebras -

right !

It's been a long, itchy day for us. But we're made it. She's in the tub and

it's quiet for now! Gotta start dinner.

In His service,

Dale

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Donna, Giardia is a parasite that causes diarrhea, vomiting, flatulence,

bloating, etc. Flagyl is the normal treatment. It is often hard to locate

in the stools. I also read in a medical book that the damage from Giardia can

last up to one year. For Katy, they couldn't locate Giardia but decided to

treat her with 20 days of Flagyl anyway. We saw very little improvement

because she had been sick for so long (almost 2 years), but about 6 months

after treatment, she seemed to be getting better for no apparent reason. We

really think it was Giardia.

We also found that Katy quit vomiting after every meal when we eliminated all

traces of lactose -- not just in milk -- but in her breads and cookies and

cereals and anything that contains lactose. It's pretty hard to do. You can

obtain a list of all lactose products through " nondairy.com. " on the web.

They have been really helpful and Katy immediately stopped the vomiting.

We're still working on the rest of the digestive system. We hope someday to

be able to try Lactaid tablets and see her diet expanded, but right now we're

just trying to stay afloat with her current diet.

Gail -- I hear you loud and clear. I've failed Katy so many times by not

yelling loud enough -- or trying to keep everyone happy. I agree with

to get doctor's orders written out in detail. After our fiasco at

the Day Hospital, our immunologist wrote out detailed orders (as I dictated

them to her) for what was needed when we started home health care. She even

went so far as to say that any deviation from these orders had to be approved

by her personally and gave them her pager #.

Another thing I'm learning is to personally hold the doctors accountable.

Katy has such terrible reactions to every medication, but I found that just

mentioning it later didn't produce any consideration. So I started insisting

that the doctor see every reaction and make them realize that I was not just

making this stuff up to be hysterical. It has improved her care

considerably. Now they think twice before ordering stuff. They know they'll

have an itchy crying miserable kid in their office.

I call it " documentation by the authorities that be " .

We also had about a year of severe muscle cramps that were driving Katy crazy.

They weren't just in the arms and legs, they were all over - neck muscles,

back muscles, stomach muscle, everywhere. And when they would cramp they

would turn to rock and sometimes leave bruise marks. We were VERY concerned

that she had some kind of major problem. It was a major problem -- but a very

simple solution. Because of all of her bloating and digestive discomfort --

she had quit drinking water. We didn't realize it until her doctor asked us

to make sure she got 2 cups a day and she gagged on it. So we started with 1

cup, then 1 and 1/2. By the time we got up to 4 cups a day - the muscle

cramps stopped. She's up to 6 cups a day now and very seldom gets muscle

cramps unless she's over exercised some muscle. Think horses not zebras -

right !

It's been a long, itchy day for us. But we're made it. She's in the tub and

it's quiet for now! Gotta start dinner.

In His service,

Dale

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Mathers,

How could he be tested for yeast in the anal area? Urine has been tested for

yeast but none was found. He uses hemoroid cream at least once a week. Thanks,

Donna

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Mathers,

How could he be tested for yeast in the anal area? Urine has been tested for

yeast but none was found. He uses hemoroid cream at least once a week. Thanks,

Donna

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Dale,

My heart goes out to you and Katy. I hope your night goes well for the both

of you. Walt had digestive problems since he was born. When he first came home

from the hospital he couldn't tolerate his formula. He was colicky every

minute of every day. We(thank GOD for an understanding and helpful hubby!!!)

walked, rocked, drove, swept, swung, tried Donnagel and many other meds. We

finally put him on Isomil and this seemed to help for a while. He can now

tolerate milk but very little in one day and when he does drink it he gets

severe diareaha, cramps and bloating. Docs have had him on tums500 with

calcium since he was almost 2. There is also something in dill pickles that

makes him break out in hives(he scratches until he bleeds!) and goes into full

blown asthma attack. Certain red dyes(don't know which ones so I eliminate

them all) also does this and once he was stung by a sweat bee and did the same

thing. He was tested for bee stings but not sweat(don't have test for that)

and found he is allergic to honey bees. Thanks, Donna

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Ursula,

I will mention this to the doc next visit! They have never mentioned this

and like I have said......I'm not a doc, just an ordinary mother taking care

of a very sick child. I have no idea what questions to ask but thanks to ALL

of you I can now go the the docs office prepared!!! Thank you all so much!!!

Donna

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Donna,

Giardia is a parasite that lives in the GI track. It is very common to immune

deficient patients. It will cause stomach discomfort, bloating and diarrhea.

It is usually contracted from water or contaminated fruit. Your immunologist

should be familiar with this problem. It is treated with a special family of

antibiotics. The anal itching might be pin worms. Is the itching worse at

night? Pin worms are very common for all children. They usually get them

from other children or from playing in the dirt -(according to my trusty

medical reference book ) We have not had any problems with blood in the

urine. We had kidney reflux and kidney infections. Keep bringing up to you

physician. Hope this helps.

Gail

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I am a student nurse at JPS Institute for Health Career Development and one of

the side effects/adverse reactions to antibiotic therapy is what they call

" super-infections " which are like thrush, yeast, sudomembranous colitis

(raging diarrhea). When Adam had it, the doctor did routine stool cultures

and treated him with Acidophilus to replace the good bacteria in his

intestinal tract (you can by it at health food stores) and there was a

prescription medication. I don't remember the name right off but it caused a

bad metalic taste in his mouth and he would gag and spit it up every time we

gave it to him because the taste was so bad (it was purple...can anyone think

what it's called?). Anyway, he was better after about 2 rounds of the

prescription med and we kept him on the Acidophilus to prevent future

episodes. His only problem in that area now is stomach aches and light fatty

clay stools.

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