Re: Personhood - Dan - Nada exorcism tomorrow night, who's in?

[Guest guest]

Dan...it is looking like we are going to have to unite in performing a cyber

exorcism to send all Nadas back to the cave. Thanks, I hadn'd recognized that

hooded figure...only felt the evil in my gut.

{ All together now... - Ctrl/Alt/Del - ...at a pre arranged time...say, 11:59

Sunday/tomorrow night...YES, on a Sunday}

Perhaps prerequisite is a confining term. How about 'predecessor'. Then,

being a 'bad person' precedes being a 'non person'? Sounds true enough to me.

I hadn't given a lot of thought to 'non-person-hood'; my state of

being/definition of myself by nada/is that of a possession. Hmmm.

You're looking for theological sense too? I have found that the more I look,

the more questions arise, the less I 'understand' what I 'know'. I'm in an

uncertain place, questioning/exploring/learning. The more I learn, it seems,

the more certain I am that everything I 'know' is wrong. I've begun anew, so

to speak, thinking less and feeling more. Recently I'm more certain that

whatever God is, is in us, and is not about separation and exclusion.

Carol

In a message dated 4/24/04 4:12:03 AM Eastern Daylight Time,

danc19fr@... writes:

<< Interesting that you found being a 'bad person' the prerequisite

to being a 'non person'. Peck noted that the 'bad person' self

identity is evil projected onto children by evil parents; causing a

psychological 'revulsion' similar to the 'historical revulsion for

lepers and amputees'. >>

Carol, that is an eye-opener. I wouldn't say that being a " bad

person " is a prerequesite to being a " non-person " . It is more like

if I try to take away " bad person " there is nothing left.

I know this doesn't make theological sense by my beliefs or anyone

else's, but when I think of dying with two legs still on me I am

filled with dread. I see a black hole leading to the oblivion that

Nada promised me. If I die with one leg on me, I have paid the price

to become human, and salvation is only granted to humans.

" Historical revulsion for lepers and amputees. " Hmmm. I have often

thought of myself as a leper. I am embracing the revulsion so I can

embrace something about me.

I feel the cold breath of a Dementor (from Harry Potter) on my neck.

Inside the faceless cowl is Nada.

- Dan

[Guest guest]

LOL Love the idea of the ctrl/Alt/Del cyber-exorcism.

Seems like there is something to this " bad " person / non-person

thing. I didn't make the connection before - well - I actually only

recently got to understand that I felt like a " bad " person - and that

when I tried to stop feeling " bad " I felt like a non-person.

I guess that would make logical sense at the level it became locked

in:

All people like me are bad - therefore I am a bad person.

And if I am not a bad person - then I am not a person ....

I don't know - but there is something there.

Free

> Dan...it is looking like we are going to have to unite in

performing a cyber

> exorcism to send all Nadas back to the cave. Thanks, I hadn'd

recognized that

> hooded figure...only felt the evil in my gut.

>

> { All together now... - Ctrl/Alt/Del - ...at a pre arranged

time...say, 11:59

> Sunday/tomorrow night...YES, on a Sunday}

>

> Perhaps prerequisite is a confining term. How

about 'predecessor'. Then,

> being a 'bad person' precedes being a 'non person'? Sounds true

enough to me.

> I hadn't given a lot of thought to 'non-person-hood'; my state of

> being/definition of myself by nada/is that of a possession. Hmmm.

>

> You're looking for theological sense too? I have found that the

more I look,

> the more questions arise, the less I 'understand' what I 'know'.

I'm in an

> uncertain place, questioning/exploring/learning. The more I learn,

it seems,

> the more certain I am that everything I 'know' is wrong. I've

begun anew, so

> to speak, thinking less and feeling more. Recently I'm more

certain that

> whatever God is, is in us, and is not about separation and

exclusion.

> Carol

>

>

[Guest guest]

LOL Love the idea of the ctrl/Alt/Del cyber-exorcism.

Seems like there is something to this " bad " person / non-person

thing. I didn't make the connection before - well - I actually only

recently got to understand that I felt like a " bad " person - and that

when I tried to stop feeling " bad " I felt like a non-person.

I guess that would make logical sense at the level it became locked

in:

All people like me are bad - therefore I am a bad person.

And if I am not a bad person - then I am not a person ....

I don't know - but there is something there.

Free

> Dan...it is looking like we are going to have to unite in

performing a cyber

> exorcism to send all Nadas back to the cave. Thanks, I hadn'd

recognized that

> hooded figure...only felt the evil in my gut.

>

> { All together now... - Ctrl/Alt/Del - ...at a pre arranged

time...say, 11:59

> Sunday/tomorrow night...YES, on a Sunday}

>

> Perhaps prerequisite is a confining term. How

about 'predecessor'. Then,

> being a 'bad person' precedes being a 'non person'? Sounds true

enough to me.

> I hadn't given a lot of thought to 'non-person-hood'; my state of

> being/definition of myself by nada/is that of a possession. Hmmm.

>

> You're looking for theological sense too? I have found that the

more I look,

> the more questions arise, the less I 'understand' what I 'know'.

I'm in an

> uncertain place, questioning/exploring/learning. The more I learn,

it seems,

> the more certain I am that everything I 'know' is wrong. I've

begun anew, so

> to speak, thinking less and feeling more. Recently I'm more

certain that

> whatever God is, is in us, and is not about separation and

exclusion.

> Carol

>

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