MERCURY NOT COMING OUT ANYMORE-ANYONE HAVE ANY IDEAS???

[Guest guest]

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When are you doing the urine tests? After my son's initial challenge test

which showed high mercury, the next three (done every 3 rounds) showed no

detectable level of mercury, although high levels of other toxic metals

coming out. We had been doing the tests on the day after chelation (on the 3

days on /11 off cycle)

This last test I did on the 2nd day of chelation and mercury showed back up.

I think mercury may be coming out in the initial days and by the 4th day

whatever's coming out that round is gone. The other thing to consider is

that many knowledgeable people say that when mercury is tightly bound in the

tissues, you may not see anything for a few cycles and then a whole bunch as

the body suddenly dumps it,Also the stool test is supposed to show much more

mercury than the urine test. That's the test I'm doing next to see.

In a message dated 3/8/2001 2:26:13 PM Eastern Standard Time,

vic2171@... writes:

<< i. We have been chelating my son for about 3 1/2 months and his first 3 or

4 Doctor's Data tests showed huge amounts of mercury coming out. However for

the past 3 or 4 tests there has been nothing! I can't believe that the

mercury that came out earlier was it.

Does anyone have any idea why the mercury has stopped coming out and what we

can do - i.e., adjust the chelation protocol, etc. We are using both DMSA and

ALA.

Thanks,

>>

[Guest guest]

Hi. We have been chelating my son for about 3 1/2 months and his first 3 or 4 Doctor's Data tests showed huge amounts of mercury coming out. However for the past 3 or 4 tests there has been nothing! I can't believe that the mercury that came out earlier was it.

Does anyone have any idea why the mercury has stopped coming out and what we can do - i.e., adjust the chelation protocol, etc. We are using both DMSA and ALA.

Thanks,

[Guest guest]

When ALA was added to Dr Amy's sons mix...the metals dropped in the urine test too. But when she tested the stool...she said it was all there! So get a fecal metals test kit from DDl and test the stool!

[Guest guest]

Re: [ ] MERCURY NOT COMING OUT ANYMORE-ANYONE HAVE ANY IDEAS???

,When are you doing the urine tests? After my son's initial challenge test which showed high mercury, the next three (done every 3 rounds) showed no detectable level of mercury, although high levels of other toxic metals coming out. We had been doing the tests on the day after chelation (on the 3 days on /11 off cycle)This last test I did on the 2nd day of chelation and mercury showed back up. I think mercury may be coming out in the initial days and by the 4th day whatever's coming out that round is gone. The other thing to consider is that many knowledgeable people say that when mercury is tightly bound in the tissues, you may not see anything for a few cycles and then a whole bunch as the body suddenly dumps it,Also the stool test is supposed to show much more mercury than the urine test. That's the test I'm doing next to see.

All good observations and possible explanations. Here's another possible I have observed in dozens of cases. It seems that metabolic priorities may shift for some reason. Watching a full panel of metals in urine and stool often reveals an interesting response. Mercury excretion levels may drop and other levels (As, Sn, Pb) may alternately rise temporarily, later shifting back to higher Hg excretion levels.

Dr. B.

In a message dated 3/8/2001 2:26:13 PM Eastern Standard Time, vic2171@... writes:<< i. We have been chelating my son for about 3 1/2 months and his first 3 or 4 Doctor's Data tests showed huge amounts of mercury coming out. However for the past 3 or 4 tests there has been nothing! I can't believe that the mercury that came out earlier was it. Does anyone have any idea why the mercury has stopped coming out and what we can do - i.e., adjust the chelation protocol, etc. We are using both DMSA and ALA.Thanks, >>

[Guest guest]

BTW. I have observed that excretion of Hg measured in urine [comparatively] declines and stool excretion increases when using ALA.

Re: [ ] MERCURY NOT COMING OUT ANYMORE-ANYONE HAVE ANY IDEAS???

,When are you doing the urine tests? After my son's initial challenge test which showed high mercury, the next three (done every 3 rounds) showed no detectable level of mercury, although high levels of other toxic metals coming out. We had been doing the tests on the day after chelation (on the 3 days on /11 off cycle)This last test I did on the 2nd day of chelation and mercury showed back up. I think mercury may be coming out in the initial days and by the 4th day whatever's coming out that round is gone. The other thing to consider is that many knowledgeable people say that when mercury is tightly bound in the tissues, you may not see anything for a few cycles and then a whole bunch as the body suddenly dumps it,Also the stool test is supposed to show much more mercury than the urine test. That's the test I'm doing next to see.

All good observations and possible explanations. Here's another possible I have observed in dozens of cases. It seems that metabolic priorities may shift for some reason. Watching a full panel of metals in urine and stool often reveals an interesting response. Mercury excretion levels may drop and other levels (As, Sn, Pb) may alternately rise temporarily, later shifting back to higher Hg excretion levels.

Dr. B.

In a message dated 3/8/2001 2:26:13 PM Eastern Standard Time, vic2171@... writes:<< i. We have been chelating my son for about 3 1/2 months and his first 3 or 4 Doctor's Data tests showed huge amounts of mercury coming out. However for the past 3 or 4 tests there has been nothing! I can't believe that the mercury that came out earlier was it. Does anyone have any idea why the mercury has stopped coming out and what we can do - i.e., adjust the chelation protocol, etc. We are using both DMSA and ALA.Thanks, >>

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Can someone tell me the cost for this test?

Thanks

Re: [ ] MERCURY NOT COMING OUT ANYMORE-ANYONE HAVE ANY IDEAS???When ALA was added to Dr Amy's sons mix...the metals dropped in the urine test too. But when she tested the stool...she said it was all there! So get a fecal metals test kit from DDl and test the stool!

[Guest guest]

Dear ,

DDI's list price for fecal toxic elements is $178.

However, I'm not sure-- I think they may give a lower

price if the doctor pays them when the sample is submitted.

I've had 2 people explain this to me and I still am not

clear on the prices in that case.

DDI:

(800) 323-2784 (Monday-Friday, 8 AM to 5 PM, central time)

www.doctorsdata.com

Moria

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At 09:13 AM 3/9/2001 -0500, you wrote:

> Can someone tell me the cost for this test? Thanks

> Re: [ ] MERCURY NOT COMING OUT ANYMORE-ANYONE HAVE

>ANY IDEAS???

>

>When ALA was added to Dr Amy's sons mix...the metals dropped in the urine

> So get

>a fecal metals test kit from DDl and test the stool!

>

>

[Guest guest]

Here are your options:

1.) The list price for the fecal elements test from DDI is $178.

2.) The professional price for the same test is $89 when ordered by a physician.

3.) You can get the same test (performed by DDI) through Direct Laboratory Services (www.healthchoice.net, 877-339-2444) for $139. Ordering through DLS does not require an office visit to order the test and another to receive the results. You may order over the phone and the specimen kit will be sent to your home, as will the results when the test is complete. Interpretation, if needed, is available by phone.

4.) The test is not available in New York.

Dr. B.

Director of Research

Direct Laboratory Services, Inc.

Re: [ ] MERCURY NOT COMING OUT ANYMORE-ANYONE HAVE>ANY IDEAS???>>When ALA was added to Dr Amy's sons mix...the metals dropped in the urine > So get >a fecal metals test kit from DDl and test the stool! > >

[Guest guest]

> It seems that metabolic

>priorities may shift for some reason. Watching a full panel of

>metals

>in urine and stool often reveals an interesting response. Mercury

>excretion levels may drop and other levels (As, Sn, Pb) may

>alternately rise temporarily, later shifting back to higher Hg

>excretion levels.

>

> Dr. B.

>

This is the natural history of the disease (which any physician

treating it should be familiar with, but none - including alternative

doctors - are). Remove exposure or do anything to start mercury

moving and it goes down for about 3 months, then comes back up and

slowly declines again.

What seems to be happening is that there is a polymorphism in mercury

handling in the population, where some people's internal organs hold

on to the stuff but most don't. Those who hold it are the ones who

get sick from exposure levels that don't bother most people. A couple

of cases like this even show up in the regular medical literature in

papers where the half life for mercury excretion is being determined

and enough data is presented to tell what happened with each subject.

The occasional subject who has the " double humped " excretion pattern

is never discussed.

I don't know WHAT causes this fall and rise in mercury excretion (the

rest of the toxics seem to just come out right up front) but it is

almost always seen in mercury toxic people. In fact it is so uniform

it is discussed on page 52 of my book so people won't get sucked into

harmful and dangerous therapies (DMPS injections, DMSA every other

day or every 8 hours, chlorella, NAC, glutathione) by their physicians

who take credit for the rise in mercury excretion when it would have

happened anyway.

Andy

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[Guest guest]

if you are using ALA and DMSA, maybe you should check the stool. Dr Amy has

said that once you add ALA it is primarily excreted in the stool. Val