Guest guest Posted May 15, 2004 Report Share Posted May 15, 2004 free_spirit_etc wrote: > As if I had nothing better to do during finals week - I am taking a 5 > day training - the Inital Module for Biodynamics Craniosacral > Therapy. Learning lots about embryology, development of the infant > brain, the Amygdala.. and lots more. Excellent!! Excellent!! Excellent!! > And yep... without appropriate experiences - i.e. a nurturing > connection with mother during that initial time - the brain lacks the > capacity to wire itself correctly... or maybe - more appropriately - > the brain is smart enough to wire itself in a way that enables us to > survive in the environment in which we find ourselves. Yes, KO's brains are 'wired' for *survival*. > I did like that part - where Dr. Shea stressed that the brain wired > itself in a way that ensured our survival. Sounds a lot better > than " wired wrong. " Yes. And, our KO brains can re-wire 'itself'. > Apparently that unique wiring also lacked some of the connections > needed to self-regulate... i.e. be in the " witness consciousness. " Uh huh, and that's why we ended up with our nadas living rent-free in our heads. > I did think it was interesting too - that he explained how some of us > adjusted with an emphasis on the sympathetic nervous system - and > some with an emphasis on the parasympathetic system. Because I read > so many things about the sympathetic system being stuck in overdrive - > and the connection to anger and rage. The sympathetic portion of my autonomic nervous system was stuck in overdrive but I couldn't get in touch with my anger. My body was running on adrenalin and was continuously prepared for fight-or-flight. I mostly did flight - but I didn't dissociate. Yet some of us don't experience > that much anger or rage. But his explaination was that some of us > move into the parasympathetic system - instead of the sympathetic - > and dissociate instead. So I guess there is fight, flight, or > dissociate. That explains my experience better. OK. And, with dissociation, there is a lack of memory. The simplest form of dissociation is daydreaming but KOs who dissociate go WAY beyond that. > Anyway - yes.. there is good news.. the brain CAN rewire itself. One > thing he stressed it needed in that process was Oxytocin (the love > hormone). In fact he suggested we be FLOODED with oxytocin. LOL > Sounds good to me! Hmmm, if oxytocin is necessary for rewiring, then my oxytocin came from self-love as I proceeded slowly down the recovery path, alone, and without a therapist all those years. Hey, I didn't even know there was a path until I looked backward to where I'd been (ie, in Oz). > Anyway - I am FINALLY starting to understand some of the " scientific > brain stuff " you have been talking about all along. LOL Great! I love the scientific stuff. Let me know s'more about what you're learning. - Edith Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 15, 2004 Report Share Posted May 15, 2004 free_spirit_etc wrote: > As if I had nothing better to do during finals week - I am taking a 5 > day training - the Inital Module for Biodynamics Craniosacral > Therapy. Learning lots about embryology, development of the infant > brain, the Amygdala.. and lots more. Excellent!! Excellent!! Excellent!! > And yep... without appropriate experiences - i.e. a nurturing > connection with mother during that initial time - the brain lacks the > capacity to wire itself correctly... or maybe - more appropriately - > the brain is smart enough to wire itself in a way that enables us to > survive in the environment in which we find ourselves. Yes, KO's brains are 'wired' for *survival*. > I did like that part - where Dr. Shea stressed that the brain wired > itself in a way that ensured our survival. Sounds a lot better > than " wired wrong. " Yes. And, our KO brains can re-wire 'itself'. > Apparently that unique wiring also lacked some of the connections > needed to self-regulate... i.e. be in the " witness consciousness. " Uh huh, and that's why we ended up with our nadas living rent-free in our heads. > I did think it was interesting too - that he explained how some of us > adjusted with an emphasis on the sympathetic nervous system - and > some with an emphasis on the parasympathetic system. Because I read > so many things about the sympathetic system being stuck in overdrive - > and the connection to anger and rage. The sympathetic portion of my autonomic nervous system was stuck in overdrive but I couldn't get in touch with my anger. My body was running on adrenalin and was continuously prepared for fight-or-flight. I mostly did flight - but I didn't dissociate. Yet some of us don't experience > that much anger or rage. But his explaination was that some of us > move into the parasympathetic system - instead of the sympathetic - > and dissociate instead. So I guess there is fight, flight, or > dissociate. That explains my experience better. OK. And, with dissociation, there is a lack of memory. The simplest form of dissociation is daydreaming but KOs who dissociate go WAY beyond that. > Anyway - yes.. there is good news.. the brain CAN rewire itself. One > thing he stressed it needed in that process was Oxytocin (the love > hormone). In fact he suggested we be FLOODED with oxytocin. LOL > Sounds good to me! Hmmm, if oxytocin is necessary for rewiring, then my oxytocin came from self-love as I proceeded slowly down the recovery path, alone, and without a therapist all those years. Hey, I didn't even know there was a path until I looked backward to where I'd been (ie, in Oz). > Anyway - I am FINALLY starting to understand some of the " scientific > brain stuff " you have been talking about all along. LOL Great! I love the scientific stuff. Let me know s'more about what you're learning. - Edith Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 16, 2004 Report Share Posted May 16, 2004 Edith:> The sympathetic portion of my autonomic nervous system was stuck in overdrive but I couldn't get in touch with my anger. My body > was running on adrenalin and was continuously prepared for > fight-or-flight. I mostly did flight - but I didn't dissociate. Free: Ahhhh. One of the things he talked about was also being addicted to to stress - it was kind of like our experience of who we were was based in the context of stress - so when stress is removed - we can actually start losing our sense of ourself - because the context that provided it is no longer there. That does make sense in an odd sort of way. Edith: OK. And, with dissociation, there is a lack of memory. The simplest form of dissociation is daydreaming but KOs who dissociate go WAY beyond that. Free: Yes. I went/go WAY beyond that... which explains the lack of memories a lot - as well as the distorted ones - that are memories - but seem so unreal. Edith: Hmmm, if oxytocin is necessary for rewiring, then my oxytocin came from self-love as I proceeded slowly down the recovery path, alone, and without a therapist all those years. Hey, I didn't even know there was a path until I looked backward to where I'd been (ie, in Oz). Free: You know what occured to me when he mentioned the oxytocin was a lot of the young mothers in ModOasis - combining the knowledge of BP they are getting - and the constant flood of Oxytocin they get from mothering their own children - lots of progress being made. So I think adding oxytocin to the MIX can and does enhance healing. But just flooding a body with oxytocin - when all the circuits are still " wired for survival " - I am not sure would have such a positive effect. Something else that was interesting - considering the bio-dynamic approach bases their model on embryology - is that they state that function preceeds structure. Based on the way the embryo develops - it creates many things it needs on the OUTSIDE - until it develops the structure to bring it INSIDE - so they even base a therapeutic approach on that... that we seek what we need to function outside ourselves until we have developed the internal structure to serve that funtion inside. Hmmmm. Interesting. Edith: > Great! I love the scientific stuff. Let me know s'more about > what you're learning. Free: Wellllll.. I haven't learned ALL that much yet.. but what I HAVE learned has been pretty interesting. and I have all kinds of references of books, etc. to look up. I am still deciding whether to " take on " the entire 3 year program. I DO like their approach. Lots of interesting concepts about going back into the " embryo " - or the functions of it - for healing. How experiences organize around the midline. And even the concept that we actually BEGIN to " exist " in our grandmother (when we are a cell within our the cell that will become our mother - within our grandmother's body). See - what did he say about the " witness consciousness " and the ability to " self-regulate. " That often stems from the frontal cortext - kind of the control center of the brain (I think I have that right). Affected by embryonic growth, birth, and connection to mother. And the neurons that fire together wire together. He talks about a whole connection that runs from the brain stem to the frontal cortex that needs the experiences of attachment (healthy) and connection to the mother to form. And if those experiences aren't provided - those nuerons that make that connection die - and the brain starts wiring itself in a different way that ensures survival. Also the Amygdala (or what he calls the Emotional Brain) - which is kind of like the fear/danger detector gets LOTS of exercise.... Now according to this - this wires us up with a " dysfunctional " autonomic nervous system (which " functioned " by keeping us alive).- but it makes it hard for us to " self_regulate " - or we " identify " with " affect " more than an actual experience.. Hmmm - still figuring a lot of it out... but the good news is - Yes.. Edith is RIGHT!! We CAN be rewired! :): Free Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 17, 2004 Report Share Posted May 17, 2004 free_spirit_etc wrote: > ... One of the things he talked about was also being > addicted to to stress - it was kind of like our experience of who we > were was based in the context of stress - so when stress is removed - > we can actually start losing our sense of ourself - because the > context that provided it is no longer there. That does make sense in > an odd sort of way. Hi Free, Yes. And then we end up re-inventing our 'self'. And Free wrote the following about dissociation: > ... I went/go WAY beyond that... which explains the lack of > memories a lot - as well as the distorted ones - that are memories - > but seem so unreal. Uh huh. I didn't dissociate but I froze a lot -- ie, fight-fight or freeze. Also, I also tended to 'rise to the occasion' under STRESS when everyone else was losing it -- but not around my nada. I also stuttered as a kid. And I had lots of tics. And I had trichotillomania (ie, pulled my hair out one by one), and lots of other stuff. > Free wrote: > Something else that was interesting - considering the bio-dynamic > approach bases their model on embryology - is that they state that > function preceeds structure. Based on the way the embryo develops - > it creates many things it needs on the OUTSIDE - until it develops > the structure to bring it INSIDE - so they even base a therapeutic > approach on that... that we seek what we need to function outside > ourselves until we have developed the internal structure to serve > that funtion inside. Hmmmm. Interesting. Edith here. As far as the development of the nervous system is concerned, the brain makes lots and lots of neurons but only retains the ones that are used and kills off the rest. And that's how our KO brains got wired!! But, it can be re-wired. Its like the de-programming that occurs when someone leaves a cult. > Free: > ... what I HAVE > learned has been pretty interesting. and I have all kinds of > references of books, etc. to look up. I am still deciding whether > to " take on " the entire 3 year program. I DO like their approach. Wow, three years. And can you get an accredited degree that you can teach that stuff in college with? Or, hey, you could go on lecture circuit like Dr Bruce . Dr was doing great when he was doing research on abused kids but, for me, he seemed to step back when he was getting close to putting the finger on " mother " (ie, nadas) as the abuser. Its after 3:30 am. <yawn> And sleep beacons. My computer crashed hard today and its taken me over 12 hours to get it back up and running again. Not fun!! - Edith zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 18, 2004 Report Share Posted May 18, 2004 Free, I mostly fought back with my mother. I cannot stand physical fighting, loud arguing, etc. However, when dealing with my family (foo), if I don't fight, I will find myself treated like the garbage. Debbie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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