Re: Oh boy!

[Guest guest]

Not off topic at all Carol. It seems like in ways the struggles to

work through with our FOO are just the tip of the iceberg (which tip -

top or bottom - I'm not sure).

Notcing how these issues have affected the rest of our lives, healing

from that, and working toward not letting it affect us so

dramatically in the future - is also a big part of the healing.

Free

> To all..........

>

> This will be boring, and maybe a bit off-topic, so I apologize, but

I've

> just GOT to share this.

>

> Part of our healing path is recognizing BPD-ness in the people we

deal

> with in every day life. The past two days has seen a huge

explosion on

> an astrology mail group involving a narcissist and his eternal and

> misplaced struggles to be " Numero Uno " . I didn't know about BPD

three

> years ago, but I saw right through this guy, even back then. He

soon

> left the list to form his own, but since then he's managed to sling

> arrows our way via copyright infringements, which resulted in

recent

> threatened legal actions to cease and desist. Pissed off, he's now

> polluting our mail list with vile and derogatory comments via some

of

> his followers who have maintained honorable connections with our

group.

> He doesn't even have the balls (sorry) to face our group directly.

>

> What a joke! It's so fascinating to watch this develop, and it's

great

> to see how it makes perfect " narcissistic " sense.

>

> SmileS!

> Carol M

[Guest guest]

Hi Carol:

I agree -- it is interesting to see how it " makes sense " when

you recognize a certain mental illness or personality disorder.

I have to deal with a woman in a church group is has a definite

narcisistic personality -- it's almost like seeing that a wild

animal has distemper or something -- you see the symptoms so

clearly!

I am finding it easier to avoid her, and she seems to be seeing

that MY way is to avoid her. When she gets " nutty " like Nada,

going on and on, I sneak away as fast as I can, or make an excuse

and leave.

Interesting....verrrry interesting! LOL

Barb

> To all..........

>

> This will be boring, and maybe a bit off-topic, so I apologize, but

I've

> just GOT to share this.

>

> Part of our healing path is recognizing BPD-ness in the people we

deal

> with in every day life. The past two days has seen a huge

explosion on

> an astrology mail group involving a narcissist and his eternal and

> misplaced struggles to be " Numero Uno " . I didn't know about BPD

three

> years ago, but I saw right through this guy, even back then. He

soon

> left the list to form his own, but since then he's managed to sling

> arrows our way via copyright infringements, which resulted in

recent

> threatened legal actions to cease and desist. Pissed off, he's now

> polluting our mail list with vile and derogatory comments via some

of

> his followers who have maintained honorable connections with our

group.

> He doesn't even have the balls (sorry) to face our group directly.

>

> What a joke! It's so fascinating to watch this develop, and it's

great

> to see how it makes perfect " narcissistic " sense.

>

> SmileS!

> Carol M

[Guest guest]

Carol,

Yes, it is funny how when you see the truth of the matter w/mental

illness, you are able to identify it much, much more clearly in

others. It is like a redflag saying 'hey, I know exactly the name

for you and despite most people calling it an ahole, I know you're

an NPD or BPD or whatever'

Its funny you should mention astrology. Nada was super into it and I

got really into it myself (actually I could be a professional one if

I ever wanted to, but I did it just for fun and am trying to become

more detached as I see now I use to do it for the ability to predict

the future as nada was pure chaos - was super interesting w/some

people who did Uranian Astrology and predicting 9-11 a few years

back on some of the astrology boards I use to belong to also- by the

way, even though I don't practice it anymore and have gradually been

weaning myself from it, I still firmly believe it is super accurate

and still notice myself summing up a person astrologically

w/physical features- busted one of my good friends once lying about

her age by a year b/c of astrology- I knew she had a prominent Leo

sign in her chart and I was right once I found out the truth about

the year she was born). When I took astrology classes way back in

the 90s- lol- my astrology teacher was awesome but the lady who

owned this esoteric shop where my friend/teacher taught was super

wacko and now I see her more as BPD since I " ve learned about it. She

so got rid of all the good energy people like my friend and man the

people she let in were super freaking scary- like total EDs (energy

drainers). I now can also see that her hubby was an NPD too in

retrospect. Now that I know about BPD, I also told my

friend/teacher about it since I'm most certain her mother whom she

is super estranged from also, is a BP too. It's amazing how clear

things become when we learn we're not the crazy ones afterall and

these mental illnesses actually have names.

Kerrie

> To all..........

>

> This will be boring, and maybe a bit off-topic, so I apologize,

but I've

> just GOT to share this.

>

> Part of our healing path is recognizing BPD-ness in the people we

deal

> with in every day life. The past two days has seen a huge

explosion on

> an astrology mail group involving a narcissist and his eternal and

> misplaced struggles to be " Numero Uno " . I didn't know about BPD

three

> years ago, but I saw right through this guy, even back then. He

soon

> left the list to form his own, but since then he's managed to

sling

> arrows our way via copyright infringements, which resulted in

recent

> threatened legal actions to cease and desist. Pissed off, he's

now

> polluting our mail list with vile and derogatory comments via some

of

> his followers who have maintained honorable connections with our

group.

> He doesn't even have the balls (sorry) to face our group

directly.

>

> What a joke! It's so fascinating to watch this develop, and it's

great

> to see how it makes perfect " narcissistic " sense.

>

> SmileS!

> Carol M

[Guest guest]

Wow! A fellow astrologer!

I love the stuff and studied it as a hobby since the 60s. Like you, I

wanted to figure mother out, because while I " knew " her, I didn't

understand her. I figured she was just " born " the way she was. In the

process I learned to be tolerant of others, because we aren't all the

same, and it was interesting to analyze what made people tick. Mother,

father and brother were Pisces, and here I was, an Aquarian. Mother was

an extremely sensitive soul who felt pain much deeper than the average

person. She never said any of this, I just figured it out. Somehow she

hurt inside all the time, over stuff most everyone else could brush off.

Eventually, she began drinking to numbed the pain, and thus began her

very slow descent down the path towards alcoholism. It never occurred

to me she was mentally ill. Mother was the most empathetic person in

the world, but she was very short on understanding. My astrological

studies taught me tolerance, understanding and patience.

I studied Uranian astrology too. I studied just about everything

written on the subject, it seems. I finally settled on a off-shoot of

Vedic, and I swear by it! I'm getting off-topic, so I better stop........

SmileS!

Carol

PS We'll have to compare astrological notes off-line!

Kerrie wrote:

> Carol,

> Yes, it is funny how when you see the truth of the matter w/mental

> illness, you are able to identify it much, much more clearly in

> others. It is like a redflag saying 'hey, I know exactly the name

> for you and despite most people calling it an ahole, I know you're

> an NPD or BPD or whatever'

> Its funny you should mention astrology. Nada was super into it and I

> got really into it myself (actually I could be a professional one if

> I ever wanted to, but I did it just for fun and am trying to become

> more detached as I see now I use to do it for the ability to predict

> the future as nada was pure chaos - was super interesting w/some

> people who did Uranian Astrology and predicting 9-11 a few years

> back on some of the astrology boards I use to belong to also- by the

> way, even though I don't practice it anymore and have gradually been

> weaning myself from it, I still firmly believe it is super accurate

> and still notice myself summing up a person astrologically

> w/physical features- busted one of my good friends once lying about

> her age by a year b/c of astrology- I knew she had a prominent Leo

> sign in her chart and I was right once I found out the truth about

> the year she was born). When I took astrology classes way back in

> the 90s- lol- my astrology teacher was awesome but the lady who

> owned this esoteric shop where my friend/teacher taught was super

> wacko and now I see her more as BPD since I " ve learned about it. She

> so got rid of all the good energy people like my friend and man the

> people she let in were super freaking scary- like total EDs (energy

> drainers). I now can also see that her hubby was an NPD too in

> retrospect. Now that I know about BPD, I also told my

> friend/teacher about it since I'm most certain her mother whom she

> is super estranged from also, is a BP too. It's amazing how clear

> things become when we learn we're not the crazy ones afterall and

> these mental illnesses actually have names.

> Kerrie

[Guest guest]

Wow! A fellow astrologer!

I love the stuff and studied it as a hobby since the 60s. Like you, I

wanted to figure mother out, because while I " knew " her, I didn't

understand her. I figured she was just " born " the way she was. In the

process I learned to be tolerant of others, because we aren't all the

same, and it was interesting to analyze what made people tick. Mother,

father and brother were Pisces, and here I was, an Aquarian. Mother was

an extremely sensitive soul who felt pain much deeper than the average

person. She never said any of this, I just figured it out. Somehow she

hurt inside all the time, over stuff most everyone else could brush off.

Eventually, she began drinking to numbed the pain, and thus began her

very slow descent down the path towards alcoholism. It never occurred

to me she was mentally ill. Mother was the most empathetic person in

the world, but she was very short on understanding. My astrological

studies taught me tolerance, understanding and patience.

I studied Uranian astrology too. I studied just about everything

written on the subject, it seems. I finally settled on a off-shoot of

Vedic, and I swear by it! I'm getting off-topic, so I better stop........

SmileS!

Carol

PS We'll have to compare astrological notes off-line!

Kerrie wrote:

> Carol,

> Yes, it is funny how when you see the truth of the matter w/mental

> illness, you are able to identify it much, much more clearly in

> others. It is like a redflag saying 'hey, I know exactly the name

> for you and despite most people calling it an ahole, I know you're

> an NPD or BPD or whatever'

> Its funny you should mention astrology. Nada was super into it and I

> got really into it myself (actually I could be a professional one if

> I ever wanted to, but I did it just for fun and am trying to become

> more detached as I see now I use to do it for the ability to predict

> the future as nada was pure chaos - was super interesting w/some

> people who did Uranian Astrology and predicting 9-11 a few years

> back on some of the astrology boards I use to belong to also- by the

> way, even though I don't practice it anymore and have gradually been

> weaning myself from it, I still firmly believe it is super accurate

> and still notice myself summing up a person astrologically

> w/physical features- busted one of my good friends once lying about

> her age by a year b/c of astrology- I knew she had a prominent Leo

> sign in her chart and I was right once I found out the truth about

> the year she was born). When I took astrology classes way back in

> the 90s- lol- my astrology teacher was awesome but the lady who

> owned this esoteric shop where my friend/teacher taught was super

> wacko and now I see her more as BPD since I " ve learned about it. She

> so got rid of all the good energy people like my friend and man the

> people she let in were super freaking scary- like total EDs (energy

> drainers). I now can also see that her hubby was an NPD too in

> retrospect. Now that I know about BPD, I also told my

> friend/teacher about it since I'm most certain her mother whom she

> is super estranged from also, is a BP too. It's amazing how clear

> things become when we learn we're not the crazy ones afterall and

> these mental illnesses actually have names.

> Kerrie