Re: Which vitamins / supps help get the full effect of B12?

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folates, folinic

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> I know DMG is required usually to get the full effect of B12, Folinic

Acid ... what else really

> helps B12 work??

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> Thanks.

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> gfcfmom

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[Guest guest]

folates, folinic

>

> I know DMG is required usually to get the full effect of B12, Folinic

Acid ... what else really

> helps B12 work??

>

> Thanks.

>

> gfcfmom

>

[Guest guest]

folates, folinic

>

> I know DMG is required usually to get the full effect of B12, Folinic

Acid ... what else really

> helps B12 work??

>

> Thanks.

>

> gfcfmom

>

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Folic Acid. My son is 10 years old, weigh about 77 lbs, getting 0.1ml Methyl B12 shot every three days, my DAN doc reqired at least 400mg folic acid per day to assist Methyl B12 shot treatment. Also zinc and magnesium are essential to make the methylation cycle complete. R gfcfmom wrote: I know DMG is required usually to get the full effect of B12, Folinic Acid ... what else really helps B12

work??Thanks.gfcfmom

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Folic Acid. My son is 10 years old, weigh about 77 lbs, getting 0.1ml Methyl B12 shot every three days, my DAN doc reqired at least 400mg folic acid per day to assist Methyl B12 shot treatment. Also zinc and magnesium are essential to make the methylation cycle complete. R gfcfmom wrote: I know DMG is required usually to get the full effect of B12, Folinic Acid ... what else really helps B12

work??Thanks.gfcfmom

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Dr. Neubrander always discouraged us from using DMG while using MB12 shots. Here's a quote from his supplement protocol regarding DMG...

"Please note that DMG and TMG have both been reported to help improve language. Based on the 50,000 plus methyl-B12 shots that I have prescribed and personally monitored, one of the most significant effects methyl-B12 has is in the area of speech and language. Based on the published research of Dr. Jill , and based on the biochemical pathways that feed the homocysteine/methionine recycling pathway, it makes sense that these two molecules, both that feed into this pathway, would help speech and language. The “DMG error in thinking” is because DMG feeds through the folic acid pathway to become methylated to form methyl-B12, the final “end product” molecule that must enter the cycle to produce the speech and language. Therefore DMG is really making “a little” methyl-B12 when by giving the shots you are giving “a lot” of methyl-B12. The addition of DMG does not add to how much methyl-B12 there is when the shots are dosed per my protocol. The “TMG error in thinking” is because TMG feeds into the homocysteine/methionine recycling pathway directly but only in the liver and kidney whereas methyl-B12 feeds into the homocysteine/methionine recycling pathway in all the cells in the body. Homocysteine’s “job” is to take one methyl group and now become methionine. Homocysteine cannot receive more than one methyl group at a time – this is an impossibility. Therefore, the methyl group from methyl-B12 is adequate to service all of homocysteine’s needs and the addition of the methyl group from trimethylglycine has “no place to go” if the methyl-B12 dose is adequate as it is per my protocol. Any “extra methyl donors”, e.g. TMG that are just hanging around do nothing more than require a child’s body to process “one more thing” that it now has to get rid of."

Which vitamins / supps help get the full effect of B12?

I know DMG is required usually to get the full effect of B12, Folinic Acid ... what else really helps B12 work??Thanks.gfcfmom

[Guest guest]

Dr. Neubrander always discouraged us from using DMG while using MB12 shots. Here's a quote from his supplement protocol regarding DMG...

"Please note that DMG and TMG have both been reported to help improve language. Based on the 50,000 plus methyl-B12 shots that I have prescribed and personally monitored, one of the most significant effects methyl-B12 has is in the area of speech and language. Based on the published research of Dr. Jill , and based on the biochemical pathways that feed the homocysteine/methionine recycling pathway, it makes sense that these two molecules, both that feed into this pathway, would help speech and language. The “DMG error in thinking” is because DMG feeds through the folic acid pathway to become methylated to form methyl-B12, the final “end product” molecule that must enter the cycle to produce the speech and language. Therefore DMG is really making “a little” methyl-B12 when by giving the shots you are giving “a lot” of methyl-B12. The addition of DMG does not add to how much methyl-B12 there is when the shots are dosed per my protocol. The “TMG error in thinking” is because TMG feeds into the homocysteine/methionine recycling pathway directly but only in the liver and kidney whereas methyl-B12 feeds into the homocysteine/methionine recycling pathway in all the cells in the body. Homocysteine’s “job” is to take one methyl group and now become methionine. Homocysteine cannot receive more than one methyl group at a time – this is an impossibility. Therefore, the methyl group from methyl-B12 is adequate to service all of homocysteine’s needs and the addition of the methyl group from trimethylglycine has “no place to go” if the methyl-B12 dose is adequate as it is per my protocol. Any “extra methyl donors”, e.g. TMG that are just hanging around do nothing more than require a child’s body to process “one more thing” that it now has to get rid of."

Which vitamins / supps help get the full effect of B12?

I know DMG is required usually to get the full effect of B12, Folinic Acid ... what else really helps B12 work??Thanks.gfcfmom

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I THINK THIS IS ALL RELATIVE TO THE CHILD, AND THE CHILDS METHYLATIONS CAPABILITIES. fOR MY SON, HE NEEDS ALL THE METHYL DONORS POSSIBLE. WE ARE NOT USING TMG, BUT ADDED THE DMG WITH THE MB12 BUT THERE IS ALOT OF OTHER SUPPORT IN THERE AS WELL. I GUESS EVERY DOCTOR IS DIFFERENTShanon

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I think this data would be great if we knew that the paths were all working perfectly, but most are not. I also think this is where Amy Yasko brings in the TMG for what she calls the shortcut/backdoor and the DMG supports the long way around the methylation cycle. She states that we need to look at pathway function before looking at which route to take.

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