Re: Has anyone heard of or read this book?

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Besty, thanks for replying. I will order a copy, then. I am especially intrigued with the idea of 22 different profiles of thyroid disorders. Since I have hypo, but have always had negative antibody tests, I am really curious if I can learn something new about what might be going on with me. I am also amazed because this teleseminar leader is suggesting everyone get their TPO antibodies tested and many people are showing up with high antibodies, but all other thyroid screens as normal. These are amazing cases that would go completely unnoticed by most docs doing only the TSH, or even if they included other T3 or T4 tests that were in normal ranges! She talks a lot about Hashis being an immune system problem not a thyroid problem and that it is really important to cut gluten and work on the immune system to stop the attacks. Makes sense there. She's not anti-medication, just looking at the big picture. I am learning a lot!!

I read it in December and am going to re-read it next week while on vacation. A lot of information in there.

As I have Hashi's, I wanted to see if I could find someone in the area who uses his protocols. Turns out that the supplements he uses are made by Apex Energetics, so I contact them and got two names in San .

I'm now in a wellness program run by a group of 3 chiropractors who have studied under Dr. Kharrazian and use his protocols for thyroid. Obviously they don't prescribe hormones, but I've got plenty and a decent doctor for more.

The verdict is still out for me. My husband is also doing the program (for general wellness; no thyroid issues for him) and is feeling great. It's expensive, but for me it's worth it to have DH off candy and diet sodas, eating a decent diet and going to the gym! Me, I'm so sleepy from the sleep problem that it's hard to tell if I'm feeling better or not. If I had to guess, I'd say that I'm feeling a little more energetic.

Betsy

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> http://www.thyroidbook.com/

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> It was mentioned in a teleseminar to which I have been listening. Dr. Manzanero in Austin is quoted on the home page.

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[Guest guest]

The teaser for this book refers to the popular supplement that is like

throwing gasoline on the fire. Any chance you could share which supplement

the author thinks is so bad for us thyroid folks?

Marti, who is working and cannot afford any new books at this time.

Re: Has anyone heard of or read this book?

>I read it in December and am going to re-read it next week while on

>vacation. A lot of information in there.

>

> As I have Hashi's, I wanted to see if I could find someone in the area who

> uses his protocols. Turns out that the supplements he uses are made by

> Apex Energetics, so I contact them and got two names in San .

>

> I'm now in a wellness program run by a group of 3 chiropractors who have

> studied under Dr. Kharrazian and use his protocols for thyroid. Obviously

> they don't prescribe hormones, but I've got plenty and a decent doctor for

> more.

>

> The verdict is still out for me. My husband is also doing the program (for

> general wellness; no thyroid issues for him) and is feeling great. It's

> expensive, but for me it's worth it to have DH off candy and diet sodas,

> eating a decent diet and going to the gym! Me, I'm so sleepy from the

> sleep problem that it's hard to tell if I'm feeling better or not. If I

> had to guess, I'd say that I'm feeling a little more energetic.

>

> Betsy

>

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>> http://www.thyroidbook.com/

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>> It was mentioned in a teleseminar to which I have been listening. Dr.

>> Manzanero in Austin is quoted on the home page.

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[Guest guest]

I thought that was iodine... Btw I did order the book and so far love it!Sent from my iPhone

The teaser for this book refers to the popular supplement that is like

throwing gasoline on the fire. Any chance you could share which supplement

the author thinks is so bad for us thyroid folks?

Marti, who is working and cannot afford any new books at this time.

Re: Has anyone heard of or read this book?

>I read it in December and am going to re-read it next week while on

>vacation. A lot of information in there.

>

> As I have Hashi's, I wanted to see if I could find someone in the area who

> uses his protocols. Turns out that the supplements he uses are made by

> Apex Energetics, so I contact them and got two names in San .

>

> I'm now in a wellness program run by a group of 3 chiropractors who have

> studied under Dr. Kharrazian and use his protocols for thyroid. Obviously

> they don't prescribe hormones, but I've got plenty and a decent doctor for

> more.

>

> The verdict is still out for me. My husband is also doing the program (for

> general wellness; no thyroid issues for him) and is feeling great. It's

> expensive, but for me it's worth it to have DH off candy and diet sodas,

> eating a decent diet and going to the gym! Me, I'm so sleepy from the

> sleep problem that it's hard to tell if I'm feeling better or not. If I

> had to guess, I'd say that I'm feeling a little more energetic.

>

> Betsy

>

>

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>> http://www.thyroidbook.com/

>>

>> It was mentioned in a teleseminar to which I have been listening. Dr.

>> Manzanero in Austin is quoted on the home page.

>>

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[Guest guest]

I don't remember, and don't have the book with me at work. I've sent myself an

email to remind me to check at home. But I wouldn't be surprised if it's

iodine. I do know I've read that people with Hashi's shouldn't take it, but

don't remember where I read it.

Betsy

>

> The teaser for this book refers to the popular supplement that is like

> throwing gasoline on the fire. Any chance you could share which supplement

> the author thinks is so bad for us thyroid folks?

>

[Guest guest]

She sounds like she's on the same track then. The chiros I'm seeing are more

interested in getting all the receptors working so that whatever hormone you

have in your system is used as much as possible. Makes sense to me. They also

talk a lot about reducing inflammation.

It's just amazing how mainstream medicine just ignores this. I've known I have

Hashi's for 5 years and as far as I know no doctor has addressed it

specifically.

Betsy

>

> Besty, thanks for replying. I will order a copy, then. I am especially

intrigued with the idea of 22 different profiles of thyroid disorders. Since I

have hypo, but have always had negative antibody tests, I am really curious if I

can learn something new about what might be going on with me. I am also amazed

because this teleseminar leader is suggesting everyone get their TPO antibodies

tested and many people are showing up with high antibodies, but all other

thyroid screens as normal. These are amazing cases that would go completely

unnoticed by most docs doing only the TSH, or even if they included other T3 or

T4 tests that were in normal ranges!

>

> She talks a lot about Hashis being an immune system problem not a thyroid

problem and that it is really important to cut gluten and work on the immune

system to stop the attacks. Makes sense there. She's not anti-medication, just

looking at the big picture. I am learning a lot!!

>

[Guest guest]

Yes, similar. She talks about a supplement called Oxicell by Apex, which is a glutithione cream to support the immune system. Is that mentioned in the books or by your docs? Sounds intriguing to me.

She sounds like she's on the same track then. The chiros I'm seeing are more interested in getting all the receptors working so that whatever hormone you have in your system is used as much as possible. Makes sense to me. They also talk a lot about reducing inflammation.

It's just amazing how mainstream medicine just ignores this. I've known I have Hashi's for 5 years and as far as I know no doctor has addressed it specifically.

Betsy

>

> Besty, thanks for replying. I will order a copy, then. I am especially intrigued with the idea of 22 different profiles of thyroid disorders. Since I have hypo, but have always had negative antibody tests, I am really curious if I can learn something new about what might be going on with me. I am also amazed because this teleseminar leader is suggesting everyone get their TPO antibodies tested and many people are showing up with high antibodies, but all other thyroid screens as normal. These are amazing cases that would go completely unnoticed by most docs doing only the TSH, or even if they included other T3 or T4 tests that were in normal ranges!

>

> She talks a lot about Hashis being an immune system problem not a thyroid problem and that it is really important to cut gluten and work on the immune system to stop the attacks. Makes sense there. She's not anti-medication, just looking at the big picture. I am learning a lot!!

>

[Guest guest]

Yes, similar. She talks about a supplement called Oxicell by Apex, which is a glutithione cream to support the immune system. Is that mentioned in the books or by your docs? Sounds intriguing to me.

She sounds like she's on the same track then. The chiros I'm seeing are more interested in getting all the receptors working so that whatever hormone you have in your system is used as much as possible. Makes sense to me. They also talk a lot about reducing inflammation.

It's just amazing how mainstream medicine just ignores this. I've known I have Hashi's for 5 years and as far as I know no doctor has addressed it specifically.

Betsy

>

> Besty, thanks for replying. I will order a copy, then. I am especially intrigued with the idea of 22 different profiles of thyroid disorders. Since I have hypo, but have always had negative antibody tests, I am really curious if I can learn something new about what might be going on with me. I am also amazed because this teleseminar leader is suggesting everyone get their TPO antibodies tested and many people are showing up with high antibodies, but all other thyroid screens as normal. These are amazing cases that would go completely unnoticed by most docs doing only the TSH, or even if they included other T3 or T4 tests that were in normal ranges!

>

> She talks a lot about Hashis being an immune system problem not a thyroid problem and that it is really important to cut gluten and work on the immune system to stop the attacks. Makes sense there. She's not anti-medication, just looking at the big picture. I am learning a lot!!

>

[Guest guest]

I don't remember if it was mentioned in the book. I'm going to re-read it on

vacation next week, not that I'll remember any more! The docs haven't mentioned

it either. I know a friend who was doing some serious detoxing last year used

glutithione; she got injections.

>

> Yes, similar. She talks about a supplement called Oxicell by Apex, which is a

glutithione cream to support the immune system. Is that mentioned in the books

or by your docs? Sounds intriguing to me.

>

[Guest guest]

Glutathione is mentioned quite a bit in the book

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> I don't remember if it was mentioned in the book. I'm going to re-

> read it on vacation next week, not that I'll remember any more! The

> docs haven't mentioned it either. I know a friend who was doing some

> serious detoxing last year used glutithione; she got injections.

>

>

>>

>> Yes, similar. She talks about a supplement called Oxicell by Apex,

>> which is a glutithione cream to support the immune system. Is that

>> mentioned in the books or by your docs? Sounds intriguing to me.

>>

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[Guest guest]

Glutothion is used on Chronic Fatigue Syndrome patients and I remember reading somewhere that supplements didn't help much that CFS patients usually require injections. I only know this b/c of mine who has CFS is convinced I have it, too, b/c she said our symptoms were very similar - the only one I didn't that she DID have was the muscular pain - I have none of that. I researched a little and am not convinced it's not thyroid related.> I don't remember if it was mentioned in the book. I'm going to re- > read it on vacation next week, not that I'll remember any more! The > docs haven't mentioned it either. I know a friend who was doing some > serious detoxing last year used glutithione; she got injections.>> >>>> Yes, similar. She talks about a supplement

called Oxicell by Apex, >> which is a glutithione cream to support the immune system. Is that >> mentioned in the books or by your docs? Sounds intriguing to me.>>>>>>> ------------------------------------>>

[Guest guest]

Glutothion is used on Chronic Fatigue Syndrome patients and I remember reading somewhere that supplements didn't help much that CFS patients usually require injections. I only know this b/c of mine who has CFS is convinced I have it, too, b/c she said our symptoms were very similar - the only one I didn't that she DID have was the muscular pain - I have none of that. I researched a little and am not convinced it's not thyroid related.> I don't remember if it was mentioned in the book. I'm going to re- > read it on vacation next week, not that I'll remember any more! The > docs haven't mentioned it either. I know a friend who was doing some > serious detoxing last year used glutithione; she got injections.>> >>>> Yes, similar. She talks about a supplement

called Oxicell by Apex, >> which is a glutithione cream to support the immune system. Is that >> mentioned in the books or by your docs? Sounds intriguing to me.>>>>>>> ------------------------------------>>

[Guest guest]

The glutathione is one that does help some folks as long as the detox

pathway that uses the glutathione is not defective. However, many

CFS/FM patients also have genetic defects in this detox pathway - the

glutathione made me feel worse.

IMHO, having been diagnosed with both CFS and FM these really are

really just diagnostic codes reflecting a constellation of symptoms.

The basic difference between CFS and FM is that the fatigue is

typically more severe than pain in CFS and you don't have to have pain

with CFS. Most docs use those to make sure the insurance companies

will pay for your treatment, because they are clueless and/or they have

a good business going in treating CFS/FM patient's symptoms. Low

thyroid function is at the root of both of these "illnesses" and it's

missed by many of these doctors. One of the big FM clinics puts

patients on high doses of T3 and pays not attention to the fact that

their Free T4 will often drop to below normal in these cases - they

even take some folks off Armour even though they are doing well with

it.

In my experience, other key contributors (beyond low thyroid) to the

CFS and FM symptoms is infections (Lyme, viral, fungal and parasitic),

toxins (from infections, heavy metals, mold exposure, etc. ) and

undiagnosed celiac (and food allergies). Treating the infections and

aggressive detoxification, along with a gluten-free (and nutrient rich

whole foods diet) and adequate replacement thyroid hormone (and other

hormones as necessary) can effectively heal patients. Unfortunately,

few doctors will address all of the issues and the doctors that treat

only the infections often make things worse when they ignore the toxins

because toxins increase when you kill off the critters. And, not

considering celiac/gluten intolerance means that many people will never

heal. And, many, many of these folks have been exposed to mold either

in the work environment or home (2/3 of all buidings in Texas have

water damage - Texas is one of the worst states for moldy buildings -

and it's not the mold itself that makes one so sick but the toxins

produced by the molds) - the majority of physicians are absolutely

clueless about this connection to CFS/FM symptoms.

So, you might suggest your CFS friend get her Frees (T3 and T4) tested

along with thyroid and celiac antibodies and ask her if she's ever been

exposed to a water damaged building (even small plumbing leaks can

cause enough problems to make some folks sick - it depends upon the

genes).

Be well,

.

Glutothion is used on Chronic Fatigue Syndrome patients

and I remember reading somewhere that supplements didn't help much that

CFS patients usually require injections. I only know this b/c of mine

who has CFS is convinced I have it, too, b/c she said our symptoms were

very similar - the only one I didn't that she DID have was the muscular

pain - I have none of that. I researched a little and am not convinced

it's not thyroid related.

> I don't remember if it was mentioned in the book. I'm going to re-

> read it on vacation next week, not that I'll remember any more!

The

> docs haven't mentioned it either. I know a friend who was doing

some

> serious detoxing last year used glutithione; she got injections.

>

>

>>

>> Yes, similar. She talks about a supplement called Oxicell by

Apex,

>> which is a glutithione cream to support the immune system. Is

that

>> mentioned in the books or by your docs? Sounds intriguing to

me.

>>

>

>

>

>

> ------------------------------------

>

>

[Guest guest]

The glutathione is one that does help some folks as long as the detox

pathway that uses the glutathione is not defective. However, many

CFS/FM patients also have genetic defects in this detox pathway - the

glutathione made me feel worse.

IMHO, having been diagnosed with both CFS and FM these really are

really just diagnostic codes reflecting a constellation of symptoms.

The basic difference between CFS and FM is that the fatigue is

typically more severe than pain in CFS and you don't have to have pain

with CFS. Most docs use those to make sure the insurance companies

will pay for your treatment, because they are clueless and/or they have

a good business going in treating CFS/FM patient's symptoms. Low

thyroid function is at the root of both of these "illnesses" and it's

missed by many of these doctors. One of the big FM clinics puts

patients on high doses of T3 and pays not attention to the fact that

their Free T4 will often drop to below normal in these cases - they

even take some folks off Armour even though they are doing well with

it.

In my experience, other key contributors (beyond low thyroid) to the

CFS and FM symptoms is infections (Lyme, viral, fungal and parasitic),

toxins (from infections, heavy metals, mold exposure, etc. ) and

undiagnosed celiac (and food allergies). Treating the infections and

aggressive detoxification, along with a gluten-free (and nutrient rich

whole foods diet) and adequate replacement thyroid hormone (and other

hormones as necessary) can effectively heal patients. Unfortunately,

few doctors will address all of the issues and the doctors that treat

only the infections often make things worse when they ignore the toxins

because toxins increase when you kill off the critters. And, not

considering celiac/gluten intolerance means that many people will never

heal. And, many, many of these folks have been exposed to mold either

in the work environment or home (2/3 of all buidings in Texas have

water damage - Texas is one of the worst states for moldy buildings -

and it's not the mold itself that makes one so sick but the toxins

produced by the molds) - the majority of physicians are absolutely

clueless about this connection to CFS/FM symptoms.

So, you might suggest your CFS friend get her Frees (T3 and T4) tested

along with thyroid and celiac antibodies and ask her if she's ever been

exposed to a water damaged building (even small plumbing leaks can

cause enough problems to make some folks sick - it depends upon the

genes).

Be well,

.

Glutothion is used on Chronic Fatigue Syndrome patients

and I remember reading somewhere that supplements didn't help much that

CFS patients usually require injections. I only know this b/c of mine

who has CFS is convinced I have it, too, b/c she said our symptoms were

very similar - the only one I didn't that she DID have was the muscular

pain - I have none of that. I researched a little and am not convinced

it's not thyroid related.

> I don't remember if it was mentioned in the book. I'm going to re-

> read it on vacation next week, not that I'll remember any more!

The

> docs haven't mentioned it either. I know a friend who was doing

some

> serious detoxing last year used glutithione; she got injections.

>

>

>>

>> Yes, similar. She talks about a supplement called Oxicell by

Apex,

>> which is a glutithione cream to support the immune system. Is

that

>> mentioned in the books or by your docs? Sounds intriguing to

me.

>>

>

>

>

>

> ------------------------------------

>

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