Re: Should I change anti-virals?

[Guest guest]

Rhonda-- I think you should only do this under the advice of an MD. Changing anti-virals, stopping, starting, etc. could be asking for trouble. You are dealing with drugs so they can be dangerous as much as they can be beneficial. Adding something like LDM on a mildly stressed liver may not be wise. Everything will be processed through the liver. You do not want to cause resistance/mutations (I'm not sure that can even happen but Goldberg mentioned it to me and it freaked me out). Did your MD say to go up to 4x/day?? That may be too much. I'm not trying to freak you out at all b/c I don't know much about anything but I just want you to make sure your under the guidance of an MD. LDM

kicked Di's ass--I don't know if I would add it to a stressed liver. Their detox organs are working hard enough. Are you on any support. I use Liver Life and Yasko's organ support.

Subject: Should I change anti-virals?To: mb12 valtrex Date: Thursday, June 5, 2008, 5:52 PM

My two sons have been on 250mg 3x/day of Valtrex since February. WE had an initial 60 day healing regression, but then behaviors leveled off. No new gains, but no regressions either. I have gotten lazy giving them their meds lately and was off of Valtrex for 3 full days and had only gotten 2 doses for about 2 weeks instead of three. Both boys became regressed, crying a not, more stimming. So, I put them back on it 3x/dasy and they seem to be having another healing regression. I did kick up the Valtrex to 250 mg 4x/day and they seem to be having rashes and slight fevers again. My doc won't go up to 4x per day b/c my younger's liver enzymes are trying to sneak up (only 3 points), i just did it on my own to see what would happen. Tried OLE and it didn't do much. I have ordered LDM-100. I feel they need some kind of anti-virus, but I don't know which one to use. Should we keep Valtrex AND do LDM-100?

What do you think? THanks!Rhonda

[Guest guest]

I do *not* recommend going up to 4x a day.  You need to not get lazy when taking antivirals.  This can lead to virus mutation and that's not good for anyone.  Also, just because you aren't seeing gains doesn't mean it isn't working.  You won't see a steady progression of gains - if that were the case we'd all have typical kids in very little time.  Check titers, if titers are negative then you do trials to see if they still need it.  Obviously your child does if you pulled it and he regressed.  I would switch antivirals only if you aren't seeing titers go down or if you have been on it for a very long time, but you haven't been on it that long so a switch probably isn't warranted without checking the titers.  It's not just the titers you are looking at, you want to see NK cells, IG's, etc.  Antivirals is not about whether or not you are simply seeing gains, you aren't treating the symptoms of autism, you are treating the immune system.  If you're younger son's enzyme levels are going up, jumping up to 4x a day is even more dangerous.Honestly, I think it's best you stick with the Valtrex for now before trying to add anything like LDM 100.  I think you need to level out on Valtrex and stay consistent before you try to add anything and I wouldn't do it without speaking to your DAN.  Again, I can't stress this enough, stop the 4x a day.  Zovirax is given 4 to 5 times a day, not Valtrex.CherylMy two sons have been on 250mg 3x/day of Valtrex since February. WE had an initial 60 day healing regression, but then behaviors leveled off. No new gains, but no regressions either. I have gotten lazy giving them their meds lately and was off of Valtrex for 3 full days and had only gotten 2 doses for about 2 weeks instead of three. Both boys became regressed, crying a not, more stimming. So, I put them back on it 3x/dasy and they seem to be having another healing regression. I did kick up the Valtrex to 250 mg 4x/day and they seem to be having rashes and slight fevers again. My doc won't go up to 4x per day b/c my younger's liver enzymes are trying to sneak up (only 3 points), i just did it on my own to see what would happen. Tried OLE and it didn't do much. I have ordered LDM-100. I feel they need some kind of anti-virus, but I don't know which one to use. Should we keep Valtrex AND do LDM-100? What do you think? THanks!Rhonda

[Guest guest]

Rhonda...if you are going to do the RX drugs I really think you need

a doctor who is VERY familiar with them and their side effects

etc...why not let testing determine if the valtrex is doing what it

should. These drugs esp the antifungals are nothing to play

with...we pulled them in Matt's case despite the fact that we saw

gains bc we were nervous about some liver issues and not in the care

of a competent dr to do the liver checks...so we stopped. We may

have to revisit them but will only do so in the care of a good dr who

really knows antiviral therapy like Goldberg. LDM100 completely

kicked my ass..I am still recovering as are the kids and who knows

where this intervention will take us....it is really too soon to tell

or recommend...I would absolutely NOT introduce it in asddition to

valtrex - I think it could easily overwhelm. There may be others out

there doing that sort of thing, but I cannot imagine it. Wew stopped

everything to do the LDM and plan to rotate antifungals for a month

or two and see where that takes us. Put your energy into diet, doing

the protocol you have picked ofr the time that has been recommended,

and you should know, even if Stan doesn't...WHY his kid got so well

so fast...DIET with the drugs...DIET....spinach...natural chelator,

beef also natural source of ALA, pecans manganese and boron the best

neutralizer of candida overgrowth bc candida grows in direct

proportion to a deficiency in those two things...and honey - enzymes

and healing to the digestive tract....Put your energy and your ABA

into geting those foods into your boys and some fermented foods like

kefir water, goat milk yogurt as in the SCD if they can handle

it...gut and " butt " ....DO NOT INJURE THE LIVER. Support the LIVER.

We are using Liver Life right now to try and do that...look into your

own health and what you are eating as the burn out and spaciness you

feel is probably bc of stuff in your diet - that is always the case

with me....eveything that applies to your boys applies to you as

well....heal your gut, normalize your stools, cut out the crap that

is keeping you from being effective, and it is going to get better.

IT WILL. Do not go throwing MORE at your boys, esp more drugs with

side effects that you cannot anticipate and potentially cannot

reverse. Cheers. Di

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> From: rhondamasengale rhondamasengale@...

> Subject: Should I change anti-virals?

> To: mb12 valtrex

> Date: Thursday, June 5, 2008, 5:52 PM

>

>

>

>

>

>

> My two sons have been on 250mg 3x/day of Valtrex since February. WE

> had an initial 60 day healing regression, but then behaviors

leveled

> off. No new gains, but no regressions either. I have gotten lazy

> giving them their meds lately and was off of Valtrex for 3 full

days

> and had only gotten 2 doses for about 2 weeks instead of three.

Both

> boys became regressed, crying a not, more stimming. So, I put them

> back on it 3x/dasy and they seem to be having another healing

> regression. I did kick up the Valtrex to 250 mg 4x/day and they

seem

> to be having rashes and slight fevers again. My doc won't go up to

4x

> per day b/c my younger's liver enzymes are trying to sneak up (only

3

> points), i just did it on my own to see what would happen. Tried

OLE

> and it didn't do much. I have ordered LDM-100. I feel they need

some

> kind of anti-virus, but I don't know which one to use. Should we

keep

> Valtrex AND do LDM-100? What do you think? THanks!

> Rhonda

>

[Guest guest]

THank you, Cheryl. I am not, nor will I continue doing the 4x per

day. I will stick with the Valtrex at 3x per day for now. I am

worried that the virus has mutated since I lapsed. I hope not. For

now, I will keep trucking along on the Valtrex, consistently. Yea, I

was under the assumption that the gains should have been consistent.

I had their immune function tested back in Novemeber before valtrex

(pulled antibody levels) and they said all looked fine. I am not

sure that was the correct test or not. But neither have been sick

since starting the Valtrex and my oldest, famous for 105 fevers every

time he gets sick, hasn't had any. I don't have a DAN, just a willing

doctor friend who doesn't know how to treat them. But helps me out

when asked. I would love to take them to one, but it would have to

be out of state and my husband just lost his job. So, we are alone

in treatment right now. When we can, we will get under a doctor for

treatment. Thanks Cheryl, I appreciate it.

Rhonda

>

> > My two sons have been on 250mg 3x/day of Valtrex since February.

WE

> > had an initial 60 day healing regression, but then behaviors

leveled

> > off. No new gains, but no regressions either. I have gotten lazy

> > giving them their meds lately and was off of Valtrex for 3 full

days

> > and had only gotten 2 doses for about 2 weeks instead of three.

Both

> > boys became regressed, crying a not, more stimming. So, I put them

> > back on it 3x/dasy and they seem to be having another healing

> > regression. I did kick up the Valtrex to 250 mg 4x/day and they

seem

> > to be having rashes and slight fevers again. My doc won't go up

to 4x

> > per day b/c my younger's liver enzymes are trying to sneak up

(only 3

> > points), i just did it on my own to see what would happen. Tried

OLE

> > and it didn't do much. I have ordered LDM-100. I feel they need

some

> > kind of anti-virus, but I don't know which one to use. Should we

keep

> > Valtrex AND do LDM-100? What do you think? THanks!

> > Rhonda

> >

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Believe me, I understand the harsh reality of finances...  LIving it right now.It's good that you have friend that is willing to help you.  Just remember to ask the list for advice before doing anything risky.  We aren't doctors but we can tell you what we would do.Hope it gets better soon!CherylTHank you, Cheryl. I am not, nor will I continue doing the 4x per day. I will stick with the Valtrex at 3x per day for now. I am worried that the virus has mutated since I lapsed. I hope not. For now, I will keep trucking along on the Valtrex, consistently. Yea, I was under the assumption that the gains should have been consistent. I had their immune function tested back in Novemeber before valtrex(pulled antibody levels) and they said all looked fine. I am not sure that was the correct test or not. But neither have been sick since starting the Valtrex and my oldest, famous for 105 fevers every time he gets sick, hasn't had any. I don't have a DAN, just a willing doctor friend who doesn't know how to treat them. But helps me out when asked. I would love to take them to one, but it would have to be out of state and my husband just lost his job. So, we are alone in treatment right now. When we can, we will get under a doctor for treatment. Thanks Cheryl, I appreciate it.Rhonda > > > My two sons have been on 250mg 3x/day of Valtrex since February. WE> > had an initial 60 day healing regression, but then behaviors leveled> > off. No new gains, but no regressions either. I have gotten lazy> > giving them their meds lately and was off of Valtrex for 3 full days> > and had only gotten 2 doses for about 2 weeks instead of three. Both> > boys became regressed, crying a not, more stimming. So, I put them> > back on it 3x/dasy and they seem to be having another healing> > regression. I did kick up the Valtrex to 250 mg 4x/day and they seem> > to be having rashes and slight fevers again. My doc won't go up to 4x> > per day b/c my younger's liver enzymes are trying to sneak up (only 3> > points), i just did it on my own to see what would happen. Tried OLE> > and it didn't do much. I have ordered LDM-100. I feel they need some> > kind of anti-virus, but I don't know which one to use. Should we keep> > Valtrex AND do LDM-100? What do you think? THanks!> > Rhonda> >> >> >>

[Guest guest]

CHeryl already told me not to be going up so I won't be. We don't

have a DAN doc. Just a friend (nurse prac) that doesn't know

anything about treatments for autism. I will have to travel outside

of the state for a doc. I plan to, just not right now. My husband

lost his job last week. So, we will just keep going on the valtrex

3x/day and hopefully we will get to see a doc soon. THanks for your

information!

Rhonda

>

> From: rhondamasengale rhondamasengale@...

> Subject: Should I change anti-virals?

> To: mb12 valtrex

> Date: Thursday, June 5, 2008, 5:52 PM

>

>

>

>

>

>

> My two sons have been on 250mg 3x/day of Valtrex since February. WE

> had an initial 60 day healing regression, but then behaviors

leveled

> off. No new gains, but no regressions either. I have gotten lazy

> giving them their meds lately and was off of Valtrex for 3 full

days

> and had only gotten 2 doses for about 2 weeks instead of three.

Both

> boys became regressed, crying a not, more stimming. So, I put them

> back on it 3x/dasy and they seem to be having another healing

> regression. I did kick up the Valtrex to 250 mg 4x/day and they

seem

> to be having rashes and slight fevers again. My doc won't go up to

4x

> per day b/c my younger's liver enzymes are trying to sneak up (only

3

> points), i just did it on my own to see what would happen. Tried

OLE

> and it didn't do much. I have ordered LDM-100. I feel they need

some

> kind of anti-virus, but I don't know which one to use. Should we

keep

> Valtrex AND do LDM-100? What do you think? THanks!

> Rhonda

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks Di. I will be heed your advice. I am just starting the BED

diet for the boys. The YCK has already done wonders for my youngest

son. His eczema has all but disappeared after just one day. I am

culturing veggies right now. We are on SCD diet and will " mix " in

the principles of the BED, just no grain right now. Thanks for your

help and great advice! I appreciate it.

RHonda

> >

> > From: rhondamasengale rhondamasengale@

> > Subject: Should I change anti-virals?

> > To: mb12 valtrex

> > Date: Thursday, June 5, 2008, 5:52 PM

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > My two sons have been on 250mg 3x/day of Valtrex since February.

WE

> > had an initial 60 day healing regression, but then behaviors

> leveled

> > off. No new gains, but no regressions either. I have gotten lazy

> > giving them their meds lately and was off of Valtrex for 3 full

> days

> > and had only gotten 2 doses for about 2 weeks instead of three.

> Both

> > boys became regressed, crying a not, more stimming. So, I put

them

> > back on it 3x/dasy and they seem to be having another healing

> > regression. I did kick up the Valtrex to 250 mg 4x/day and they

> seem

> > to be having rashes and slight fevers again. My doc won't go up

to

> 4x

> > per day b/c my younger's liver enzymes are trying to sneak up

(only

> 3

> > points), i just did it on my own to see what would happen. Tried

> OLE

> > and it didn't do much. I have ordered LDM-100. I feel they need

> some

> > kind of anti-virus, but I don't know which one to use. Should we

> keep

> > Valtrex AND do LDM-100? What do you think? THanks!

> > Rhonda

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Yea, I'm glad I asked you all! I will definitely heed your advice!

We are going to save for a trip to see Dr. Goldberg. I hope it will

be sometime this year, but it may be next Spring, depending on the

job situation. Thanks for your help!

Rhonda

> > >

> > > > My two sons have been on 250mg 3x/day of Valtrex since

February.

> > WE

> > > > had an initial 60 day healing regression, but then behaviors

> > leveled

> > > > off. No new gains, but no regressions either. I have gotten

lazy

> > > > giving them their meds lately and was off of Valtrex for 3

full

> > days

> > > > and had only gotten 2 doses for about 2 weeks instead of

three.

> > Both

> > > > boys became regressed, crying a not, more stimming. So, I put

them

> > > > back on it 3x/dasy and they seem to be having another healing

> > > > regression. I did kick up the Valtrex to 250 mg 4x/day and

they

> > seem

> > > > to be having rashes and slight fevers again. My doc won't go

up

> > to 4x

> > > > per day b/c my younger's liver enzymes are trying to sneak up

> > (only 3

> > > > points), i just did it on my own to see what would happen.

Tried

> > OLE

> > > > and it didn't do much. I have ordered LDM-100. I feel they

need

> > some

> > > > kind of anti-virus, but I don't know which one to use. Should

we

> > keep

> > > > Valtrex AND do LDM-100? What do you think? THanks!

> > > > Rhonda

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Yea, I'm glad I asked you all! I will definitely heed your advice!

We are going to save for a trip to see Dr. Goldberg. I hope it will

be sometime this year, but it may be next Spring, depending on the

job situation. Thanks for your help!

Rhonda

> > >

> > > > My two sons have been on 250mg 3x/day of Valtrex since

February.

> > WE

> > > > had an initial 60 day healing regression, but then behaviors

> > leveled

> > > > off. No new gains, but no regressions either. I have gotten

lazy

> > > > giving them their meds lately and was off of Valtrex for 3

full

> > days

> > > > and had only gotten 2 doses for about 2 weeks instead of

three.

> > Both

> > > > boys became regressed, crying a not, more stimming. So, I put

them

> > > > back on it 3x/dasy and they seem to be having another healing

> > > > regression. I did kick up the Valtrex to 250 mg 4x/day and

they

> > seem

> > > > to be having rashes and slight fevers again. My doc won't go

up

> > to 4x

> > > > per day b/c my younger's liver enzymes are trying to sneak up

> > (only 3

> > > > points), i just did it on my own to see what would happen.

Tried

> > OLE

> > > > and it didn't do much. I have ordered LDM-100. I feel they

need

> > some

> > > > kind of anti-virus, but I don't know which one to use. Should

we

> > keep

> > > > Valtrex AND do LDM-100? What do you think? THanks!

> > > > Rhonda

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Rhonda, since you're already used to no grains, stay off even seed

like grains as with quinoa/millet. I choose to do this in the

beginning of starting BED and it proved a good decision for my son.

I also do the antiviral protocol as often as we can. It's mostly

healthy fats and vegetables, a semi fast. I used ABA to implement

BED and in the long run saved myself a lot of time and money because

my son got better requiring less therapies. BED teaches step by

step. It's easy to get caught up in wanting to try it all to help

our kids, but it's a step by step process so you can determine what

is helping and what isn't. Work hard on diet first so that the

body can handle a med as necessary. The liver and gut need to be

functioning well. Hope your cvs turn out well! I just made a batch

today too.

> > >

> > > From: rhondamasengale rhondamasengale@

> > > Subject: Should I change anti-virals?

> > > To: mb12 valtrex

> > > Date: Thursday, June 5, 2008, 5:52 PM

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > My two sons have been on 250mg 3x/day of Valtrex since

February.

> WE

> > > had an initial 60 day healing regression, but then behaviors

> > leveled

> > > off. No new gains, but no regressions either. I have gotten

lazy

> > > giving them their meds lately and was off of Valtrex for 3 full

> > days

> > > and had only gotten 2 doses for about 2 weeks instead of three.

> > Both

> > > boys became regressed, crying a not, more stimming. So, I put

> them

> > > back on it 3x/dasy and they seem to be having another healing

> > > regression. I did kick up the Valtrex to 250 mg 4x/day and they

> > seem

> > > to be having rashes and slight fevers again. My doc won't go up

> to

> > 4x

> > > per day b/c my younger's liver enzymes are trying to sneak up

> (only

> > 3

> > > points), i just did it on my own to see what would happen.

Tried

> > OLE

> > > and it didn't do much. I have ordered LDM-100. I feel they need

> > some

> > > kind of anti-virus, but I don't know which one to use. Should

we

> > keep

> > > Valtrex AND do LDM-100? What do you think? THanks!

> > > Rhonda

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Just carry on and try and stay calm...I missed doses and just got

right back in right away...we pulled bc we saw some liver stuf we did

not like and I agree that the gains can plateaue and then

resume...but focus energy on making them go to the bathroom 3 xs a

day, eating a diet that nourishes THEM and try to get some fermented

foods in, well cooked veggies, and some protein. It will get better

sooner than you think. Di

> >

> > > My two sons have been on 250mg 3x/day of Valtrex since

February.

> WE

> > > had an initial 60 day healing regression, but then behaviors

> leveled

> > > off. No new gains, but no regressions either. I have gotten lazy

> > > giving them their meds lately and was off of Valtrex for 3 full

> days

> > > and had only gotten 2 doses for about 2 weeks instead of three.

> Both

> > > boys became regressed, crying a not, more stimming. So, I put

them

> > > back on it 3x/dasy and they seem to be having another healing

> > > regression. I did kick up the Valtrex to 250 mg 4x/day and they

> seem

> > > to be having rashes and slight fevers again. My doc won't go up

> to 4x

> > > per day b/c my younger's liver enzymes are trying to sneak up

> (only 3

> > > points), i just did it on my own to see what would happen.

Tried

> OLE

> > > and it didn't do much. I have ordered LDM-100. I feel they need

> some

> > > kind of anti-virus, but I don't know which one to use. Should

we

> keep

> > > Valtrex AND do LDM-100? What do you think? THanks!

> > > Rhonda

> > >

> > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

-There you go...per the forensic nutritionist from the Fiber Menace

site alot of this autism stuff is really the same gut dysfunction

that winds up being juvenile diabetes....he says if most parents

would change diet, don't overhydrate esp with RO water, normalize

stools size, volume, and regularity, reseed the gut with good

probiotics...give that six months or so for the malabsorption issues

to heal...nutrition happens again...and voila no more diabetes no

more autism in many many cases...it may all be oversimplified, but

sometimes the simple truth really is THE truth....I do think you can

get your kids VERY far with this strategy...-- In

mb12 valtrex , " rhondamasengale "

wrote:

>

> Thanks Di. I will be heed your advice. I am just starting the BED

> diet for the boys. The YCK has already done wonders for my

youngest

> son. His eczema has all but disappeared after just one day. I am

> culturing veggies right now. We are on SCD diet and will " mix " in

> the principles of the BED, just no grain right now. Thanks for

your

> help and great advice! I appreciate it.

> RHonda

>

>

> > >

> > > From: rhondamasengale rhondamasengale@

> > > Subject: Should I change anti-virals?

> > > To: mb12 valtrex

> > > Date: Thursday, June 5, 2008, 5:52 PM

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > My two sons have been on 250mg 3x/day of Valtrex since

February.

> WE

> > > had an initial 60 day healing regression, but then behaviors

> > leveled

> > > off. No new gains, but no regressions either. I have gotten

lazy

> > > giving them their meds lately and was off of Valtrex for 3 full

> > days

> > > and had only gotten 2 doses for about 2 weeks instead of three.

> > Both

> > > boys became regressed, crying a not, more stimming. So, I put

> them

> > > back on it 3x/dasy and they seem to be having another healing

> > > regression. I did kick up the Valtrex to 250 mg 4x/day and they

> > seem

> > > to be having rashes and slight fevers again. My doc won't go up

> to

> > 4x

> > > per day b/c my younger's liver enzymes are trying to sneak up

> (only

> > 3

> > > points), i just did it on my own to see what would happen.

Tried

> > OLE

> > > and it didn't do much. I have ordered LDM-100. I feel they need

> > some

> > > kind of anti-virus, but I don't know which one to use. Should

we

> > keep

> > > Valtrex AND do LDM-100? What do you think? THanks!

> > > Rhonda

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

-There you go...per the forensic nutritionist from the Fiber Menace

site alot of this autism stuff is really the same gut dysfunction

that winds up being juvenile diabetes....he says if most parents

would change diet, don't overhydrate esp with RO water, normalize

stools size, volume, and regularity, reseed the gut with good

probiotics...give that six months or so for the malabsorption issues

to heal...nutrition happens again...and voila no more diabetes no

more autism in many many cases...it may all be oversimplified, but

sometimes the simple truth really is THE truth....I do think you can

get your kids VERY far with this strategy...-- In

mb12 valtrex , " rhondamasengale "

wrote:

>

> Thanks Di. I will be heed your advice. I am just starting the BED

> diet for the boys. The YCK has already done wonders for my

youngest

> son. His eczema has all but disappeared after just one day. I am

> culturing veggies right now. We are on SCD diet and will " mix " in

> the principles of the BED, just no grain right now. Thanks for

your

> help and great advice! I appreciate it.

> RHonda

>

>

> > >

> > > From: rhondamasengale rhondamasengale@

> > > Subject: Should I change anti-virals?

> > > To: mb12 valtrex

> > > Date: Thursday, June 5, 2008, 5:52 PM

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > My two sons have been on 250mg 3x/day of Valtrex since

February.

> WE

> > > had an initial 60 day healing regression, but then behaviors

> > leveled

> > > off. No new gains, but no regressions either. I have gotten

lazy

> > > giving them their meds lately and was off of Valtrex for 3 full

> > days

> > > and had only gotten 2 doses for about 2 weeks instead of three.

> > Both

> > > boys became regressed, crying a not, more stimming. So, I put

> them

> > > back on it 3x/dasy and they seem to be having another healing

> > > regression. I did kick up the Valtrex to 250 mg 4x/day and they

> > seem

> > > to be having rashes and slight fevers again. My doc won't go up

> to

> > 4x

> > > per day b/c my younger's liver enzymes are trying to sneak up

> (only

> > 3

> > > points), i just did it on my own to see what would happen.

Tried

> > OLE

> > > and it didn't do much. I have ordered LDM-100. I feel they need

> > some

> > > kind of anti-virus, but I don't know which one to use. Should

we

> > keep

> > > Valtrex AND do LDM-100? What do you think? THanks!

> > > Rhonda

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

on this list practically recovered her kids waiting for her

doctor visit to finally come up I think....let that inspire you and

dig in whre you can figure things out...you may never need Goldberg

or many antivirals...you may, but you also may not. Remember, Stan

didn't and others haven't....diet, stools, and yeast...then the body

will deal with viruses and metals THAT is the theory....Di

> > > >

> > > > > My two sons have been on 250mg 3x/day of Valtrex since

> February.

> > > WE

> > > > > had an initial 60 day healing regression, but then behaviors

> > > leveled

> > > > > off. No new gains, but no regressions either. I have gotten

> lazy

> > > > > giving them their meds lately and was off of Valtrex for 3

> full

> > > days

> > > > > and had only gotten 2 doses for about 2 weeks instead of

> three.

> > > Both

> > > > > boys became regressed, crying a not, more stimming. So, I

put

> them

> > > > > back on it 3x/dasy and they seem to be having another

healing

> > > > > regression. I did kick up the Valtrex to 250 mg 4x/day and

> they

> > > seem

> > > > > to be having rashes and slight fevers again. My doc won't

go

> up

> > > to 4x

> > > > > per day b/c my younger's liver enzymes are trying to sneak

up

> > > (only 3

> > > > > points), i just did it on my own to see what would happen.

> Tried

> > > OLE

> > > > > and it didn't do much. I have ordered LDM-100. I feel they

> need

> > > some

> > > > > kind of anti-virus, but I don't know which one to use.

Should

> we

> > > keep

> > > > > Valtrex AND do LDM-100? What do you think? THanks!

> > > > > Rhonda

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

on this list practically recovered her kids waiting for her

doctor visit to finally come up I think....let that inspire you and

dig in whre you can figure things out...you may never need Goldberg

or many antivirals...you may, but you also may not. Remember, Stan

didn't and others haven't....diet, stools, and yeast...then the body

will deal with viruses and metals THAT is the theory....Di

> > > >

> > > > > My two sons have been on 250mg 3x/day of Valtrex since

> February.

> > > WE

> > > > > had an initial 60 day healing regression, but then behaviors

> > > leveled

> > > > > off. No new gains, but no regressions either. I have gotten

> lazy

> > > > > giving them their meds lately and was off of Valtrex for 3

> full

> > > days

> > > > > and had only gotten 2 doses for about 2 weeks instead of

> three.

> > > Both

> > > > > boys became regressed, crying a not, more stimming. So, I

put

> them

> > > > > back on it 3x/dasy and they seem to be having another

healing

> > > > > regression. I did kick up the Valtrex to 250 mg 4x/day and

> they

> > > seem

> > > > > to be having rashes and slight fevers again. My doc won't

go

> up

> > > to 4x

> > > > > per day b/c my younger's liver enzymes are trying to sneak

up

> > > (only 3

> > > > > points), i just did it on my own to see what would happen.

> Tried

> > > OLE

> > > > > and it didn't do much. I have ordered LDM-100. I feel they

> need

> > > some

> > > > > kind of anti-virus, but I don't know which one to use.

Should

> we

> > > keep

> > > > > Valtrex AND do LDM-100? What do you think? THanks!

> > > > > Rhonda

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

on this list practically recovered her kids waiting for her

doctor visit to finally come up I think....let that inspire you and

dig in whre you can figure things out...you may never need Goldberg

or many antivirals...you may, but you also may not. Remember, Stan

didn't and others haven't....diet, stools, and yeast...then the body

will deal with viruses and metals THAT is the theory....Di

> > > >

> > > > > My two sons have been on 250mg 3x/day of Valtrex since

> February.

> > > WE

> > > > > had an initial 60 day healing regression, but then behaviors

> > > leveled

> > > > > off. No new gains, but no regressions either. I have gotten

> lazy

> > > > > giving them their meds lately and was off of Valtrex for 3

> full

> > > days

> > > > > and had only gotten 2 doses for about 2 weeks instead of

> three.

> > > Both

> > > > > boys became regressed, crying a not, more stimming. So, I

put

> them

> > > > > back on it 3x/dasy and they seem to be having another

healing

> > > > > regression. I did kick up the Valtrex to 250 mg 4x/day and

> they

> > > seem

> > > > > to be having rashes and slight fevers again. My doc won't

go

> up

> > > to 4x

> > > > > per day b/c my younger's liver enzymes are trying to sneak

up

> > > (only 3

> > > > > points), i just did it on my own to see what would happen.

> Tried

> > > OLE

> > > > > and it didn't do much. I have ordered LDM-100. I feel they

> need

> > > some

> > > > > kind of anti-virus, but I don't know which one to use.

Should

> we

> > > keep

> > > > > Valtrex AND do LDM-100? What do you think? THanks!

> > > > > Rhonda

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> >

>

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EFA's being off for a while will CAUSE diabeties, but I don't think it's quiet as simple as just change the diet and our kids will heal in 6 months, if that were the case we would be recovering all kids in 6 months.

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Should I change anti-virals?> > > To: mb12 valtrex > > > Date: Thursday, June 5, 2008, 5:52 PM> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My two sons have been on 250mg 3x/day of Valtrex since February. > WE > > > had an initial 60 day healing regression, but then behaviors > > leveled > > > off. No new gains, but no regressions either. I have gotten lazy > > > giving them their meds lately and was off of Valtrex for 3 full > > days > > > and had only gotten 2 doses for about 2 weeks instead of three. > > Both > > > boys became regressed, crying a not, more stimming. So, I put > them > > > back on it 3x/dasy and they seem to be having another healing > > > regression. I did kick up the Valtrex to 250 mg 4x/day and they > > seem > > > to be having rashes and slight fevers again. My doc won't go up > to > > 4x > > > per day b/c my younger's liver enzymes are trying to sneak up > (only > > 3 > > > points), i just did it on my own to see what would happen. Tried > > OLE > > > and it didn't do much. I have ordered LDM-100. I feel they need > > some > > > kind of anti-virus, but I don't know which one to use. Should we > > keep > > > Valtrex AND do LDM-100? What do you think? THanks!> > > Rhonda> > >> >>

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Do Not Give LDM-100 with Valtrex. At minumum leave at least a few

weeks for the body to clean out. LDM-100 is a strong anti-viral (and

anti-bacterial)!!! Our biggest concern has been people using it

inappropriately just because you don't need a prescription. Heed the

good advise below, it'll dump toxins and the liver (and other detox

organs) need to be able to handle the toxic dump! Every one of us

using it safely in Washington used it with doctors that understood

anti-virals, detox and our kids (and ourselfs).

We all went down to basic supplements (like good minerals/amino acid

supplements, good fats, good probiotic/yeast protocol...many of us

ended up increasing during the early stages of LDM-100, good

binders/liver supports and depending on the metals levels a mild

chelator...like ca-edta/detoxamine). You also want to be able to

truely tell what the child is reacting to...too much stuff you can't

tell what's actually causing the problem.

Rita

> > > >

> > > > From: rhondamasengale rhondamasengale@

> > > > Subject: Should I change anti-virals?

> > > > To: mb12 valtrex

> > > > Date: Thursday, June 5, 2008, 5:52 PM

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > My two sons have been on 250mg 3x/day of Valtrex since

> February.

> > WE

> > > > had an initial 60 day healing regression, but then

behaviors

> > > leveled

> > > > off. No new gains, but no regressions either. I have

gotten

> lazy

> > > > giving them their meds lately and was off of Valtrex for 3

full

> > > days

> > > > and had only gotten 2 doses for about 2 weeks instead of

three.

> > > Both

> > > > boys became regressed, crying a not, more stimming. So, I

put

> > them

> > > > back on it 3x/dasy and they seem to be having another

healing

> > > > regression. I did kick up the Valtrex to 250 mg 4x/day and

they

> > > seem

> > > > to be having rashes and slight fevers again. My doc won't

go up

> > to

> > > 4x

> > > > per day b/c my younger's liver enzymes are trying to sneak

up

> > (only

> > > 3

> > > > points), i just did it on my own to see what would happen.

> Tried

> > > OLE

> > > > and it didn't do much. I have ordered LDM-100. I feel they

need

> > > some

> > > > kind of anti-virus, but I don't know which one to use.

Should

> we

> > > keep

> > > > Valtrex AND do LDM-100? What do you think? THanks!

> > > > Rhonda

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

>

>

>

>

>

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Nobody said it was simple or tried to imply it on this end...I meant

that focusing on diet and the other things that we have some control

over makes it easier to wait out the agonizing periods while we are

trying to figure out if something is working or not...and diet is a

big deal...as you just reinforced. I had no idea that EFAs being off

for a period could actually cause diabetes. Where did you hear

that? I wonder how it is that our kids do not become diabetic as

their EFAs are WAY WAY off...Di

> > > >

> > > > From: rhondamasengale rhondamasengale@

> > > > Subject: Should I change anti-virals?

> > > > To: mb12 valtrex

> > > > Date: Thursday, June 5, 2008, 5:52 PM

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > My two sons have been on 250mg 3x/day of Valtrex since

> February.

> > WE

> > > > had an initial 60 day healing regression, but then

behaviors

> > > leveled

> > > > off. No new gains, but no regressions either. I have gotten

> lazy

> > > > giving them their meds lately and was off of Valtrex for 3

full

> > > days

> > > > and had only gotten 2 doses for about 2 weeks instead of

three.

> > > Both

> > > > boys became regressed, crying a not, more stimming. So, I

put

> > them

> > > > back on it 3x/dasy and they seem to be having another

healing

> > > > regression. I did kick up the Valtrex to 250 mg 4x/day and

they

> > > seem

> > > > to be having rashes and slight fevers again. My doc won't

go up

> > to

> > > 4x

> > > > per day b/c my younger's liver enzymes are trying to sneak

up

> > (only

> > > 3

> > > > points), i just did it on my own to see what would happen.

> Tried

> > > OLE

> > > > and it didn't do much. I have ordered LDM-100. I feel they

need

> > > some

> > > > kind of anti-virus, but I don't know which one to use.

Should

> we

> > > keep

> > > > Valtrex AND do LDM-100? What do you think? THanks!

> > > > Rhonda

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

>

>

>

>

>

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EFAs control cell regeneration, and fluidity, if you do a Dr's data or other EFA test they talk a great deal about it, forming insulen resistance along the way with malnurised bodys from lack of absorbale and usuable EFA

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Should I change anti-virals?> > > > To: mb12 valtrex > > > > Date: Thursday, June 5, 2008, 5:52 PM> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My two sons have been on 250mg 3x/day of Valtrex since > February. > > WE > > > > had an initial 60 day healing regression, but then behaviors > > > leveled > > > > off. No new gains, but no regressions either. I have gotten > lazy > > > > giving them their meds lately and was off of Valtrex for 3 full > > > days > > > > and had only gotten 2 doses for about 2 weeks instead of three. > > > Both > > > > boys became regressed, crying a not, more stimming. So, I put > > them > > > > back on it 3x/dasy and they seem to be having another healing > > > > regression. I did kick up the Valtrex to 250 mg 4x/day and they > > > seem > > > > to be having rashes and slight fevers again. My doc won't go up > > to > > > 4x > > > > per day b/c my younger's liver enzymes are trying to sneak up > > (only > > > 3 > > > > points), i just did it on my own to see what would happen. > Tried > > > OLE > > > > and it didn't do much. I have ordered LDM-100. I feel they need > > > some > > > > kind of anti-virus, but I don't know which one to use. Should > we > > > keep > > > > Valtrex AND do LDM-100? What do you think? THanks!> > > > Rhonda> > > >> > >> >> > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------> > > > No virus found in this incoming message.> Checked by AVG. > Version: 8.0.100 / Virus Database: 270.0.0/1485 - Release Date: 6/5/2008 10:07 AM>

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Does this mean that EFA supplementation can reverse insulin

resistance? If so, can you direct me to information that tells us

what type of dosages and such?

Thanks,

>

> EFAs control cell regeneration, and fluidity, if you do a Dr's data

or other EFA test they talk a great deal about it, forming insulen

resistance along the way with malnurised bodys from lack of absorbale

and usuable EFA

>

> Recovering from Autism is a marathon

> NOT a sprint, but FULLY possible!

> Read more about it on my BLOGs at

> http://www.myspace.com/christelking

> http://foggyrock.com/MyPage/recoveringwishes

>

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it's not that simple of just take EFA's, it about what you are lacking in and to high in, so you would have to test and see where your current levels are at, and then compensate and change to rebalence the body.

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Re: Should I change anti-virals?

Does this mean that EFA supplementation can reverse insulin resistance? If so, can you direct me to information that tells us what type of dosages and such?Thanks,>> EFAs control cell regeneration, and fluidity, if you do a Dr's data or other EFA test they talk a great deal about it, forming insulen resistance along the way with malnurised bodys from lack of absorbale and usuable EFA> > Recovering from Autism is a marathon> NOT a sprint, but FULLY possible!> Read more about it on my BLOGs at> http://www.myspace.com/christelking> http://foggyrock.com/MyPage/recoveringwishes>

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I have no ABA program in place. I know some of how you do it, but I

am VERY green. How did you use ABA to get your child to do the BED

diet? I have talked with therapists around here and no one can help

me (or won't). My youngest is a food striker. I can't even get

juiced veggies in him right now. But he loves the coconut YCK. Can

you explain a little of the procedure to get him to eat for me?

Thanks! Not going on any grain right now. Will stick with meat and

veggies (as much cultured as I can make!). Thanks again!

RHonda

> > > >

> > > > From: rhondamasengale rhondamasengale@

> > > > Subject: Should I change anti-virals?

> > > > To: mb12 valtrex

> > > > Date: Thursday, June 5, 2008, 5:52 PM

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > My two sons have been on 250mg 3x/day of Valtrex since

> February.

> > WE

> > > > had an initial 60 day healing regression, but then behaviors

> > > leveled

> > > > off. No new gains, but no regressions either. I have gotten

> lazy

> > > > giving them their meds lately and was off of Valtrex for 3

full

> > > days

> > > > and had only gotten 2 doses for about 2 weeks instead of

three.

> > > Both

> > > > boys became regressed, crying a not, more stimming. So, I put

> > them

> > > > back on it 3x/dasy and they seem to be having another healing

> > > > regression. I did kick up the Valtrex to 250 mg 4x/day and

they

> > > seem

> > > > to be having rashes and slight fevers again. My doc won't go

up

> > to

> > > 4x

> > > > per day b/c my younger's liver enzymes are trying to sneak up

> > (only

> > > 3

> > > > points), i just did it on my own to see what would happen.

> Tried

> > > OLE

> > > > and it didn't do much. I have ordered LDM-100. I feel they

need

> > > some

> > > > kind of anti-virus, but I don't know which one to use. Should

> we

> > > keep

> > > > Valtrex AND do LDM-100? What do you think? THanks!

> > > > Rhonda

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Well, that's what I plan to do. I will do the BED diet minus the

grains for now. YCK is doing the wonders. Do you think I can give

them too much of the YCK? My youngest could drink it all day long.

Thanks Di!

Rhonda

> > > >

> > > > From: rhondamasengale rhondamasengale@

> > > > Subject: Should I change anti-virals?

> > > > To: mb12 valtrex

> > > > Date: Thursday, June 5, 2008, 5:52 PM

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > My two sons have been on 250mg 3x/day of Valtrex since

> February.

> > WE

> > > > had an initial 60 day healing regression, but then behaviors

> > > leveled

> > > > off. No new gains, but no regressions either. I have gotten

> lazy

> > > > giving them their meds lately and was off of Valtrex for 3

full

> > > days

> > > > and had only gotten 2 doses for about 2 weeks instead of

three.

> > > Both

> > > > boys became regressed, crying a not, more stimming. So, I put

> > them

> > > > back on it 3x/dasy and they seem to be having another healing

> > > > regression. I did kick up the Valtrex to 250 mg 4x/day and

they

> > > seem

> > > > to be having rashes and slight fevers again. My doc won't go

up

> > to

> > > 4x

> > > > per day b/c my younger's liver enzymes are trying to sneak up

> > (only

> > > 3

> > > > points), i just did it on my own to see what would happen.

> Tried

> > > OLE

> > > > and it didn't do much. I have ordered LDM-100. I feel they

need

> > > some

> > > > kind of anti-virus, but I don't know which one to use. Should

> we

> > > keep

> > > > Valtrex AND do LDM-100? What do you think? THanks!

> > > > Rhonda

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

THanks, Di. I appreciate the encouragement. I get so depressed

sometimes wondering if autism will ever leave my boys. I feel it has

robbed me of them. But, they are getting some better, hopefully more

soon.

Rhonda

> > >

> > > > My two sons have been on 250mg 3x/day of Valtrex since

> February.

> > WE

> > > > had an initial 60 day healing regression, but then behaviors

> > leveled

> > > > off. No new gains, but no regressions either. I have gotten

lazy

> > > > giving them their meds lately and was off of Valtrex for 3

full

> > days

> > > > and had only gotten 2 doses for about 2 weeks instead of

three.

> > Both

> > > > boys became regressed, crying a not, more stimming. So, I put

> them

> > > > back on it 3x/dasy and they seem to be having another healing

> > > > regression. I did kick up the Valtrex to 250 mg 4x/day and

they

> > seem

> > > > to be having rashes and slight fevers again. My doc won't go

up

> > to 4x

> > > > per day b/c my younger's liver enzymes are trying to sneak up

> > (only 3

> > > > points), i just did it on my own to see what would happen.

> Tried

> > OLE

> > > > and it didn't do much. I have ordered LDM-100. I feel they

need

> > some

> > > > kind of anti-virus, but I don't know which one to use. Should

> we

> > keep

> > > > Valtrex AND do LDM-100? What do you think? THanks!

> > > > Rhonda

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>