Re: June 4th, today is the day.

June 4, 2008

Bob,

I understand your perspective, but differ a bit because I think there has been good moral leadership related to the DAN movement, but mostly from dedicated physicians, researchers and even journalists (read: "nerds") who use language the "masses" in our country are too illiterate to understand. What has brought to the table has been the heart of a mom and the linguistic skills of common Americans--all used to express her journey with her son. This movement has needed not just the minds of excellent lecturers at DAN conferences, but also a kind of dynamic equivalent form of "relevance" from a mom whose life was ripped apart by autism, then "saved" by the healing she witnessed when Evan was treated appropriately.

So I am thankful for her using her outgoing nature, celebrity status, money, and fearlessness in confronting false authorities to further the cause of revising the vaccine program, getting kids in treatment, and perhaps helping to end this terrible plague of autism.

Sue

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June 4, 2008

No one is perfect. I am grateful to her for what she is doing.

June 4th, today is the day.

Check out this video, you may want to be careful, with what else you watch about 's career. Makes one ask the old question again and again. "Where is the moral leadership on this issue?" Money talks, and no doubt "leadership" in this nation is driven by the dollar more times than not.

June 4, 2008

I couldn't have said it better myself.

People get so hung up on good and bad. You can assign whatever moral meaning to what she has done if you like.

Fact is, she is a fun loving, FUNNY, gorgeous woman that has made a career out of making people laugh and men gawk.

So what!

She is in a great position to help the autism community (as fragmented into different camps and philosophies as that may be) and she has done a wonderful job. Kudos to .

I don't understand who you want to lead us then, if McCarthy is unacceptable to you. While your beliefs and personalities may differ, who is naming anyone the moral police? Autism can affect *anyone* including a foul mouthed, playboy bunny actress. She is passionate. She is caring. She is brave. She is honestly trying to have everyone in the biomedical world heard. She is trying to help *us* change medicine for our children. She has brought more attention to our concerns and it's her celebrity that brought it. What is immoral about that? We've been trying to get this message out for years but without fame and celebrity, we have a hard time being heard and taken seriously. We reach a much smaller audience. She isn't trying to hide anything. She isn't making excuses for what she's done. These are choices she's made and we all have our choices, good and bad. To hold anyone to a higher standard, celebrity or not, is unrealistic. We are human. Not only do we not all agree that posing for playboy and cussing up a storm is bad, we don't all agree that it's good. But these are our choices to make and we make our decisions based on where we are in our lives. She was young and crazy. Her choices were made in the eye of the public. I've made some crazy choices, too but I'm thankful they aren't aired in the public for people to judge them and try to decide if I somehow fit their " moral " code. My definition of morality is obviously much different from yours. That's what happens when you try to quantify the unquantifiable.

From another foul mouthed mom,

Cheryl

Check out this video, you may want to be careful, with what else you watch about 's career. Makes one ask the old question again and again. " Where is the moral leadership on this issue? " Money talks, and no doubt " leadership " in this nation is driven by the dollar more times than not.

-- Warmest Regards, B. Holmes

June 4, 2008

oh boy.

I can see what some of the problem may be, her lang is pretty unacceptable in her books, and isn't child freindly (you wouldn't want your child cussing like a sailor) and not every parents wants to be associated as doing the same stuff as someone who posed for play boy. I'm a pastors wife and while I am glad autism has gotten a huge place in the media from her comeing out and forward, I cringe when people go ohhh you are on the same band wagon as that play boy girl aren't you,.....

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Re: June 4th, today is the day.

I don't understand who you want to lead us then, if McCarthy is unacceptable to you. While your beliefs and personalities may differ, who is naming anyone the moral police? Autism can affect *anyone* including a foul mouthed, playboy bunny actress. She is passionate. She is caring. She is brave. She is honestly trying to have everyone in the biomedical world heard. She is trying to help *us* change medicine for our children. She has brought more attention to our concerns and it's her celebrity that brought it. What is immoral about that? We've been trying to get this message out for years but without fame and celebrity, we have a hard time being heard and taken seriously. We reach a much smaller audience. She isn't trying to hide anything. She isn't making excuses for what she's done. These are choices she's made and we all have our choices, good and bad. To hold anyone to a higher standard, celebrity or not, is unrealistic. We are human. Not only do we not all agree that posing for playboy and cussing up a storm is bad, we don't all agree that it's good. But these are our choices to make and we make our decisions based on where we are in our lives. She was young and crazy. Her choices were made in the eye of the public. I've made some crazy choices, too but I'm thankful they aren't aired in the public for people to judge them and try to decide if I somehow fit their " moral " code. My definition of morality is obviously much different from yours. That's what happens when you try to quantify the unquantifiable.

From another foul mouthed mom,

Cheryl

Check out this video, you may want to be careful, with what else you watch about 's career. Makes one ask the old question again and again. " Where is the moral leadership on this issue? " Money talks, and no doubt " leadership " in this nation is driven by the dollar more times than not.

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June 4, 2008

This situation reminds me of the French

resistence during WWII. After the Nazis were

defeated they departed for their respective camps

and argued amoungst themselves. While they were

fighting a common enemy, their differences didn't

matter.

I may not agree with every choice McCarthy

has made, but I think she's an excellent

spokesperson for my family and our autistic

children. Once autism is cured, I probably won't

be as interested in what she says or does. Right

now, we're fighting a common enemy and I'm happy

to have her as an ally.

Kim

--- Cheryl Lowrance wrote:

> I don't understand who you want to lead us

> then, if McCarthy is

> unacceptable to you. While your beliefs and

> personalities may

> differ, who is naming anyone the moral police?

> Autism can affect

> *anyone* including a foul mouthed, playboy

> bunny actress. She is

> passionate. She is caring. She is brave. She

> is honestly trying to

> have everyone in the biomedical world heard.

> She is trying to help

> *us* change medicine for our children. She has

> brought more

> attention to our concerns and it's her

> celebrity that brought it.

> What is immoral about that? We've been trying

> to get this message

> out for years but without fame and celebrity,

> we have a hard time

> being heard and taken seriously. We reach a

> much smaller audience.

> She isn't trying to hide anything. She isn't

> making excuses for what

> she's done. These are choices she's made and

> we all have our

> choices, good and bad. To hold anyone to a

> higher standard,

> celebrity or not, is unrealistic. We are

> human. Not only do we not

> all agree that posing for playboy and cussing

> up a storm is bad, we

> don't all agree that it's good. But these are

> our choices to make

> and we make our decisions based on where we are

> in our lives. She

> was young and crazy. Her choices were made in

> the eye of the

> public. I've made some crazy choices, too but

> I'm thankful they

> aren't aired in the public for people to judge

> them and try to decide

> if I somehow fit their " moral " code. My

> definition of morality is

> obviously much different from yours. That's

> what happens when you

> try to quantify the unquantifiable.

>

> From another foul mouthed mom,

> Cheryl

>

> >

> > Check out this video, you may want to be

> careful, with what else

> > you watch about 's career. Makes one

> ask the old question

> > again and again. " Where is the moral

> leadership on this issue? "

> > Money talks, and no doubt " leadership " in

> this nation is driven by

> > the dollar more times than not.

> >

>

June 4, 2008

I'm so very thankful for and her voice! I came from a VERY

conservative Christian household. So much so that I never EVER heard

foul language from anyone in my home growing up. My parents are

traditionalists and I am blessed to have them. At the same time when

's book came out I didn't hesitate to pass it on for my mom to

read. I warned her ahead of time about the language but I felt it

was too important for her not to read it. She couldn't put it down.

Bottom line (to me) is that has a voice that the media is

willing to listen to. My own mother in law saw her on Oprah and

finally began to understand what I had been doing with her grandson

for over 2 years. She doesn't think I'm wacko anymore! To be

perfectly honest, I hear more profanity spending an afternoon with

the inlaws than I did reading 's book.

Tina

> >

> > Check out this video, you may want to be careful, with what else

you watch

> > about 's career. Makes one ask the old question again and

again.

> > " Where is the moral leadership on this issue? " Money talks, and

no doubt

> > " leadership " in this nation is driven by the dollar more times

than not.

> >

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> Warmest Regards,

>

> B. Holmes

>

June 4, 2008

I, for one, thank from the bottom of my heart. Not for what made her famous, but for using her fame to advance a cause near and dear to each of us. Our son had a doctor's appointment the day after appeared on Oprah. That doctor, who treats autistic children, was very interested in what she was saying and pointed out that it is exactly what he has been saying for years and has suffered personal and professional attacks for doing so. says the same thing, but knows how to get the media attention and to get other people to listen. There are so many kids in our community, including our son's old school, that were unwilling to even look at biomedical approaches until came forward. I do not judge her -- or any other parent -- it is not my place. Rather I thank her for her dedication to her child and all of our children. Kay

June 4, 2008

I agree. She has the money and resources to go about helping her son and living her life however she wishes. Although I have not cared for her persona at all in the past, I really admire her (and Jim Carrey) putting their public reputations on the line to further this cause. They know they that even in activist Hollywood, they will be seen as weird for taking this stand. I deeply appreciate her taking a loud, non-apologetic point of view on vaccines and running with it.Tina wrote: I'm so very thankful for and her voice! I came from a VERY conservative Christian household. So much so that I never EVER heard foul language from anyone in my home growing up. My parents are traditionalists and I am blessed to have them. At the same time when 's book came out I didn't hesitate to pass it on for my mom to read. I warned her ahead of time about the language but I felt it was too important for her not to read it. She couldn't put it down. Bottom line (to me) is that has a voice that the media is willing to listen to. My own mother in law saw her on Oprah and finally began to understand what I had been doing with her grandson for over 2 years. She doesn't think I'm wacko anymore! To be perfectly honest, I hear more profanity spending an afternoon with the inlaws than I did reading 's book. :)Tina> >> >> >

>> > Check out this video, you may want to be

careful, with what else you watch> > about 's career. Makes one ask the old question again and again.> > "Where is the moral leadership on this issue?" Money talks, and no doubt> > "leadership" in this nation is driven by the dollar more times than not.> >> >> > ------------------------------> >> >> > No virus found in this incoming message.> > Checked by AVG.> > Version: 8.0.100 / Virus Database: 269.24.6/1482 - Release Date: 6/4/2008> > 7:10 AM> >> > > > > > > -- > Warmest Regards,> > B. Holmes>

June 4, 2008

Instead of cringing at it, why not turn it around and talk about all the good she's done since then? Why not say, well, while I don't approve of some of her choices, she was young and we've all done some crazy things but she's growing up and has a child of her own now and is working for a better world for our children? Why not use it to parlay it into a real conversation about biomed instead of cringing and disassociating yourself with what is a great opportunity and open door to create a discussion about biomed, the role our government has played, what she is doing to help, what you are doing to help and what the person you're speaking to can do to help? To assume that because you have the same cause somehow means that you think it's okay to cuss. You're not married to her. You aren't even friends with her. You are both simply warriors in the same cause. You aren't going to agree with or get along with your fellow warriors, no matter what battle you are fighting. The point is what you are fighting *for*.Isn't the Christian thing to do is to let God do the judging and live your own life as best as you can and encourage others to do the same? There have been plenty of priests, pastors, rabbi's etc. accused and convicted of various crimes and yet you wouldn't leave Christianity/Judaism simply you don't want to be associated with them. Working for the same cause doesn't mean you have to like them or agree with their lifestyle. She is *not* the only person in this fight that cusses and I can guarantee you that she's not the only person to ever pose nude. There are going to be people with all kinds of bad choices running the gambit of simply "immoral" to completely illegal that are going to be in this fight. The only difference is that we *know* her issues. You don't know the histories of every person that stands beside you in your fight. You don't know what they have or haven't done. You only know that you are there for the same reason. When did that stop being enough? If that's not enough to bring people together than I don't know what is. Those same people that are saying this to you are the same people that could have had an affair, could have stolen as teenagers, could have done drugs (or still do, for that matter, I know plenty of "moral" pot smokers), could have posed naked, could have done so many things and they aren't telling you yet they feel perfectly comfortable standing in judgement of someone else because no one *knows* their mistakes to judge them. If you could be a fly on the wall of every person in your husband's congregation you would find there are more humans in the church than there are perfect angels.I consider sitting in judgement of someone you know nothing about to be amoral but hey, that statement in itself is a judgement so now what?Maybe you might want to have your husband do a service on "judge not lest you be judged". That would put things in perspective for people who would say these things to you. (Sorry, I'm not trying to imply that people in your church are saying this, just trying to make a point that if you start passing that message, that's a positive message to encourage others to pass on outside of your church.)CherylI can see what some of the problem may be, her lang is pretty unacceptable in her books, and isn't child freindly (you wouldn't want your child cussing like a sailor) and not every parents wants to be associated as doing the same stuff as someone who posed for play boy. I'm a pastors wife and while I am glad autism has gotten a huge place in the media from her comeing out and forward, I cringe when people go ohhh you are on the same band wagon as that play boy girl aren't you,..... Recovering from Autism is a marathonNOT a sprint, but FULLY possible!Read more about it on my BLOGs athttp://www.myspace.com/christelkinghttp://foggyrock.com/MyPage/recoveringwishes Re: June 4th, today is the day.I don't understand who you want to lead us then, if McCarthy is unacceptable to you. While your beliefs and personalities may differ, who is naming anyone the moral police? Autism can affect *anyone* including a foul mouthed, playboy bunny actress. She is passionate. She is caring. She is brave. She is honestly trying to have everyone in the biomedical world heard. She is trying to help *us* change medicine for our children. She has brought more attention to our concerns and it's her celebrity that brought it. What is immoral about that? We've been trying to get this message out for years but without fame and celebrity, we have a hard time being heard and taken seriously. We reach a much smaller audience. She isn't trying to hide anything. She isn't making excuses for what she's done. These are choices she's made and we all have our choices, good and bad. To hold anyone to a higher standard, celebrity or not, is unrealistic. We are human. Not only do we not all agree that posing for playboy and cussing up a storm is bad, we don't all agree that it's good. But these are our choices to make and we make our decisions based on where we are in our lives. She was young and crazy. Her choices were made in the eye of the public. I've made some crazy choices, too but I'm thankful they aren't aired in the public for people to judge them and try to decide if I somehow fit their "moral" code. My definition of morality is obviously much different from yours. That's what happens when you try to quantify the unquantifiable.From another foul mouthed mom,Cherylhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-gREB8EoAv8 Check out this video, you may want to be careful, with what else you watch about 's career. Makes one ask the old question again and again. "Where is the moral leadership on this issue?" Money talks, and no doubt "leadership" in this nation is driven by the dollar more times than not.No virus found in this incoming message.Checked by AVG. Version: 8.0.100 / Virus Database: 269.24.6/1482 - Release Date: 6/4/2008 7:10 AM

June 4, 2008

Ha! I just said the same thing! :)CherylExactly. I think it was Jesus himself that said, "judge not, yest ye be judged", right? Seems like that is what is going on. Listen. I can certainly relate in every way with 's frustration and consequential potty mouth. We are living with something that most people can't imagine, in which the stress and feelings of hopelessness can be overwhelming. Lets keep our individual moral centers out of the fight to cure the children. The community is fragmented enough without adding that wrinkle to the mix. has done a fine job and we ALL need to support her. On Wed, Jun 4, 2008 at 5:18 PM, Kay Berry <lkwberrybellsouth (DOT) net> wrote:I, for one, thank from the bottom of my heart. Not for what made her famous, but for using her fame to advance a cause near and dear to each of us. Our son had a doctor's appointment the day after appeared on Oprah. That doctor, who treats autistic children, was very interested in what she was saying and pointed out that it is exactly what he has been saying for years and has suffered personal and professional attacks for doing so. says the same thing, but knows how to get the media attention and to get other people to listen. There are so many kids in our community, including our son's old school, that were unwilling to even look at biomedical approaches until came forward. I do not judge her -- or any other parent -- it is not my place. Rather I thank her for her dedication to her child and all of our children. Kay-- Warmest Regards, B. Holmes

June 4, 2008

there was a ralley (I believe in california associated with TACA I think) passing on the news of hope she was involved in that, she trashed up with TERRIBLE lang, that sent people the other way, I don't want to see that happen either- intitled to my opinion! you can have the good with out the bad, just simpley DON'T use it to turn others off,......

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Re: June 4th, today is the day.

I don't understand who you want to lead us then, if McCarthy is unacceptable to you. While your beliefs and personalities may differ, who is naming anyone the moral police? Autism can affect *anyone* including a foul mouthed, playboy bunny actress. She is passionate. She is caring. She is brave. She is honestly trying to have everyone in the biomedical world heard. She is trying to help *us* change medicine for our children. She has brought more attention to our concerns and it's her celebrity that brought it. What is immoral about that? We've been trying to get this message out for years but without fame and celebrity, we have a hard time being heard and taken seriously. We reach a much smaller audience. She isn't trying to hide anything. She isn't making excuses for what she's done. These are choices she's made and we all have our choices, good and bad. To hold anyone to a higher standard, celebrity or not, is unrealistic. We are human. Not only do we not all agree that posing for playboy and cussing up a storm is bad, we don't all agree that it's good. But these are our choices to make and we make our decisions based on where we are in our lives. She was young and crazy. Her choices were made in the eye of the public. I've made some crazy choices, too but I'm thankful they aren't aired in the public for people to judge them and try to decide if I somehow fit their "moral" code. My definition of morality is obviously much different from yours. That's what happens when you try to quantify the unquantifiable.

From another foul mouthed mom,

Cheryl

Check out this video, you may want to be careful, with what else you watch about 's career. Makes one ask the old question again and again. "Where is the moral leadership on this issue?" Money talks, and no doubt "leadership" in this nation is driven by the dollar more times than not.

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June 4, 2008

Well, her verbose recounting of her situation aside, bottom line, she has a recovered child. If parents are so thin skinned as to ignore the advice / knowlege of someone that has managed to dig her son out of the living hell that IS autism over an occassional 'bad word', they're the losers, not .

there was a ralley (I believe in california associated with TACA I think) passing on the news of hope she was involved in that, she trashed up with TERRIBLE lang, that sent people the other way, I don't want to see that happen either- intitled to my opinion! you can have the good with out the bad, just simpley DON'T use it to turn others off,......

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http://foggyrock.com/MyPage/recoveringwishes

Re: June 4th, today is the day.

I don't understand who you want to lead us then, if McCarthy is unacceptable to you. While your beliefs and personalities may differ, who is naming anyone the moral police? Autism can affect *anyone* including a foul mouthed, playboy bunny actress. She is passionate. She is caring. She is brave. She is honestly trying to have everyone in the biomedical world heard. She is trying to help *us* change medicine for our children. She has brought more attention to our concerns and it's her celebrity that brought it. What is immoral about that? We've been trying to get this message out for years but without fame and celebrity, we have a hard time being heard and taken seriously. We reach a much smaller audience. She isn't trying to hide anything. She isn't making excuses for what she's done. These are choices she's made and we all have our choices, good and bad. To hold anyone to a higher standard, celebrity or not, is unrealistic. We are human. Not only do we not all agree that posing for playboy and cussing up a storm is bad, we don't all agree that it's good. But these are our choices to make and we make our decisions based on where we are in our lives. She was young and crazy. Her choices were made in the eye of the public. I've made some crazy choices, too but I'm thankful they aren't aired in the public for people to judge them and try to decide if I somehow fit their " moral " code. My definition of morality is obviously much different from yours. That's what happens when you try to quantify the unquantifiable.

From another foul mouthed mom,

Cheryl

Check out this video, you may want to be careful, with what else you watch about 's career. Makes one ask the old question again and again. " Where is the moral leadership on this issue? " Money talks, and no doubt " leadership " in this nation is driven by the dollar more times than not.

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June 4, 2008

i have recovered my son as well, and can testify to it with out the fowlness...

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Re: June 4th, today is the day.

I don't understand who you want to lead us then, if McCarthy is unacceptable to you. While your beliefs and personalities may differ, who is naming anyone the moral police? Autism can affect *anyone* including a foul mouthed, playboy bunny actress. She is passionate. She is caring. She is brave. She is honestly trying to have everyone in the biomedical world heard. She is trying to help *us* change medicine for our children. She has brought more attention to our concerns and it's her celebrity that brought it. What is immoral about that? We've been trying to get this message out for years but without fame and celebrity, we have a hard time being heard and taken seriously. We reach a much smaller audience. She isn't trying to hide anything. She isn't making excuses for what she's done. These are choices she's made and we all have our choices, good and bad. To hold anyone to a higher standard, celebrity or not, is unrealistic. We are human. Not only do we not all agree that posing for playboy and cussing up a storm is bad, we don't all agree that it's good. But these are our choices to make and we make our decisions based on where we are in our lives. She was young and crazy. Her choices were made in the eye of the public. I've made some crazy choices, too but I'm thankful they aren't aired in the public for people to judge them and try to decide if I somehow fit their "moral" code. My definition of morality is obviously much different from yours. That's what happens when you try to quantify the unquantifiable.

From another foul mouthed mom,

Cheryl

Check out this video, you may want to be careful, with what else you watch about 's career. Makes one ask the old question again and again. "Where is the moral leadership on this issue?" Money talks, and no doubt "leadership" in this nation is driven by the dollar more times than not.

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June 4, 2008

I consider every lie told to the public about vaccines to be much more foul than anything she could say.Cheryli have recovered my son as well, and can testify to it with out the fowlness... Recovering from Autism is a marathonNOT a sprint, but FULLY possible!Read more about it on my BLOGs athttp://www.myspace.com/christelkinghttp://foggyrock.com/MyPage/recoveringwishes Re: June 4th, today is the day.I don't understand who you want to lead us then, if McCarthy is unacceptable to you. While your beliefs and personalities may differ, who is naming anyone the moral police? Autism can affect *anyone* including a foul mouthed, playboy bunny actress. She is passionate. She is caring. She is brave. She is honestly trying to have everyone in the biomedical world heard. She is trying to help *us* change medicine for our children. She has brought more attention to our concerns and it's her celebrity that brought it. What is immoral about that? We've been trying to get this message out for years but without fame and celebrity, we have a hard time being heard and taken seriously. We reach a much smaller audience. She isn't trying to hide anything. She isn't making excuses for what she's done. These are choices she's made and we all have our choices, good and bad. To hold anyone to a higher standard, celebrity or not, is unrealistic. We are human. Not only do we not all agree that posing for playboy and cussing up a storm is bad, we don't all agree that it's good. But these are our choices to make and we make our decisions based on where we are in our lives. She was young and crazy. Her choices were made in the eye of the public. I've made some crazy choices, too but I'm thankful they aren't aired in the public for people to judge them and try to decide if I somehow fit their "moral" code. My definition of morality is obviously much different from yours. That's what happens when you try to quantify the unquantifiable.From another foul mouthed mom,Cherylhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-gREB8EoAv8 Check out this video, you may want to be careful, with what else you watch about 's career. Makes one ask the old question again and again. "Where is the moral leadership on this issue?" Money talks, and no doubt "leadership" in this nation is driven by the dollar more times than not.No virus found in this incoming message.Checked by AVG. Version: 8.0.100 / Virus Database: 269.24.6/1482 - Release Date: 6/4/2008 7:10 AMNo virus found in this incoming message.Checked by AVG. Version: 8.0.100 / Virus Database: 269.24.6/1482 - Release Date: 6/4/2008 7:10 AM-- Warmest Regards, B. HolmesNo virus found in this incoming message.Checked by AVG. Version: 8.0.100 / Virus Database: 269.24.6/1482 - Release Date: 6/4/2008 7:10 AM

June 4, 2008

Ditto here.. Anyways, no one is perfect. The good she does outweighs and negativity in my opinion. I see her as a mother who has gone out on a limb in more ways the one for all our children. I don't want to get religious here, but I've heard what many may consider fowl statements from priests and the like.

http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=-gREB8EoAv8

Check out this video, you may want to be careful, with what else you watch about 's career. Makes one ask the old question again and again. "Where is the moral leadership on this issue?" Money talks, and no doubt "leadership" in this nation is driven by the dollar more times than not.

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June 4, 2008

I just came from the rally and I am extremely proud to be on the same bandwagon. It was an energizing and inspiring event that I will never forget.

-----Original Message-----From: mb12 valtrex [mailto:mb12 valtrex ]On Behalf Of HolmesSent: Wednesday, June 04, 2008 5:33 PMTo: mb12 valtrex Subject: Re: June 4th, today is the day.

oh boy.

On Wed, Jun 4, 2008 at 4:28 PM, Christel King <christel76together (DOT) net> wrote:

I can see what some of the problem may be, her lang is pretty unacceptable in her books, and isn't child freindly (you wouldn't want your child cussing like a sailor) and not every parents wants to be associated as doing the same stuff as someone who posed for play boy. I'm a pastors wife and while I am glad autism has gotten a huge place in the media from her comeing out and forward, I cringe when people go ohhh you are on the same band wagon as that play boy girl aren't you,.....

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Re: June 4th, today is the day.

I don't understand who you want to lead us then, if McCarthy is unacceptable to you. While your beliefs and personalities may differ, who is naming anyone the moral police? Autism can affect *anyone* including a foul mouthed, playboy bunny actress. She is passionate. She is caring. She is brave. She is honestly trying to have everyone in the biomedical world heard. She is trying to help *us* change medicine for our children. She has brought more attention to our concerns and it's her celebrity that brought it. What is immoral about that? We've been trying to get this message out for years but without fame and celebrity, we have a hard time being heard and taken seriously. We reach a much smaller audience. She isn't trying to hide anything. She isn't making excuses for what she's done. These are choices she's made and we all have our choices, good and bad. To hold anyone to a higher standard, celebrity or not, is unrealistic. We are human. Not only do we not all agree that posing for playboy and cussing up a storm is bad, we don't all agree that it's good. But these are our choices to make and we make our decisions based on where we are in our lives. She was young and crazy. Her choices were made in the eye of the public. I've made some crazy choices, too but I'm thankful they aren't aired in the public for people to judge them and try to decide if I somehow fit their "moral" code. My definition of morality is obviously much different from yours. That's what happens when you try to quantify the unquantifiable.

From another foul mouthed mom,

Cheryl

Check out this video, you may want to be careful, with what else you watch about 's career. Makes one ask the old question again and again. "Where is the moral leadership on this issue?" Money talks, and no doubt "leadership" in this nation is driven by the dollar more times than not.

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June 4, 2008

Actually it wasn't 'til my kid got %$#@ by the gov that I started spewing fowl language from my mouth.( Sorry I couldn't resist. )

http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=-gREB8EoAv8

Check out this video, you may want to be careful, with what else you watch about 's career. Makes one ask the old question again and again. "Where is the moral leadership on this issue?" Money talks, and no doubt "leadership" in this nation is driven by the dollar more times than not.

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Actually it wasn't 'til my kid got %$#@ by the gov that I started spewing fowl language from my mouth.( Sorry I couldn't resist. )

http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=-gREB8EoAv8

Check out this video, you may want to be careful, with what else you watch about 's career. Makes one ask the old question again and again. "Where is the moral leadership on this issue?" Money talks, and no doubt "leadership" in this nation is driven by the dollar more times than not.

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Actually it wasn't 'til my kid got %$#@ by the gov that I started spewing fowl language from my mouth.( Sorry I couldn't resist. )

http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=-gREB8EoAv8

Check out this video, you may want to be careful, with what else you watch about 's career. Makes one ask the old question again and again. "Where is the moral leadership on this issue?" Money talks, and no doubt "leadership" in this nation is driven by the dollar more times than not.

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June 4, 2008

That's wonderful, but McCarthy is THE ONE person who has

*finally* gotten the world to listen to you, me, and everyone in the

trenches with us.

For that, we should ALL be eternally grateful, regardless of the

source.

Donna

>

> >

> > i have recovered my son as well, and can testify to it with out the

> > fowlness...

June 4, 2008

A hot funny " unlikely " mom that get on Larry King, Oprah, and

anywhere else she wants to interview despite the fact that

antivaccine is NOT okay with most sponsors and many in the

media....amen. As long as people are listening, we should simply be

grateful. Whenever autism comes up in conversation, the first thing

asked is, " did you see the jenny M. Oprah interview....we first heard

about the GFCF from her and that show, and we tried biomed bc she

spoke of it...we were lost and had just gotten the diagnosis. We

didn't even know about TACA....support her. She has moxy. Di "

>

> Bob,

>

> I understand your perspective, but differ a bit because I think

there has been good moral leadership related to the DAN movement, but

mostly from dedicated physicians, researchers and even journalists

(read: " nerds " ) who use language the " masses " in our country are too

illiterate to understand. What has brought to the table has

been the heart of a mom and the linguistic skills of common Americans-

-all used to express her journey with her son. This movement has

needed not just the minds of excellent lecturers at DAN conferences,

but also a kind of dynamic equivalent form of " relevance " from a mom

whose life was ripped apart by autism, then " saved " by the healing

she witnessed when Evan was treated appropriately.

>

> So I am thankful for her using her outgoing nature, celebrity

status, money, and fearlessness in confronting false authorities to

further the cause of revising the vaccine program, getting kids in

treatment, and perhaps helping to end this terrible plague of autism.

>

> Sue

>

> [!! SPAM] June 4th, today is the day.

>

> Check out this video, you may want to be careful, with what else

you watch about 's career. Makes one ask the old question again

and again. " Where is the moral leadership on this issue? " Money

talks, and no doubt " leadership " in this nation is driven by the

dollar more times than not.

>

June 4, 2008

The Christian approach is not to judge SOULS, you are certainly

entitled to judge her conduct, ou just cannot say where a person

stands with God based on external factors...so go ahead and judge and

be disappointed Christel, but try and understand when many of the

rest of us are THRILLED that she is getting noticed, getting out

there, and " working it " on behalf of our kids. If she was less hot

and less colorful, nobody would care. Thenak God it was 's baby

and not Meryl Streep's - seriously. Di

>

> Check out this video, you may want to be careful, with what

else you watch about 's career. Makes one ask the old question

again and again. " Where is the moral leadership on this issue? "

Money talks, and no doubt " leadership " in this nation is driven by

the dollar more times than not.

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The Christian approach is not to judge SOULS, you are certainly

entitled to judge her conduct, ou just cannot say where a person

stands with God based on external factors...so go ahead and judge and

be disappointed Christel, but try and understand when many of the

rest of us are THRILLED that she is getting noticed, getting out

there, and " working it " on behalf of our kids. If she was less hot

and less colorful, nobody would care. Thenak God it was 's baby

and not Meryl Streep's - seriously. Di

>

> Check out this video, you may want to be careful, with what

else you watch about 's career. Makes one ask the old question

again and again. " Where is the moral leadership on this issue? "

Money talks, and no doubt " leadership " in this nation is driven by

the dollar more times than not.

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June 5, 2008

i am glad autism is getting noticed

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The Christian approach is not to judge SOULS, you are certainly entitled to judge her conduct, ou just cannot say where a person stands with God based on external factors...so go ahead and judge and be disappointed Christel, but try and understand when many of the rest of us are THRILLED that she is getting noticed, getting out there, and "working it" on behalf of our kids. If she was less hot and less colorful, nobody would care. Thenak God it was 's baby and not Meryl Streep's - seriously. Di> > > > >

> Check out this video, you may want to be careful, with what else you watch about 's career. Makes one ask the old question again and again. "Where is the moral leadership on this issue?" Money talks, and no doubt "leadership" in this nation is driven by the dollar more times than not.> > > > > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------> > > > > No virus found in this incoming message.> Checked by AVG. > Version: 8.0.100 / Virus Database: 269.24.6/1482 - Release Date: 6/4/2008 7:10 AM> > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------> > > > No virus found in this incoming message.> Checked by AVG. > Version: 8.0.100 / Virus Database: 269.24.6/1482 - Release Date: 6/4/2008 7:10 AM>

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i am glad autism is getting noticed

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The Christian approach is not to judge SOULS, you are certainly entitled to judge her conduct, ou just cannot say where a person stands with God based on external factors...so go ahead and judge and be disappointed Christel, but try and understand when many of the rest of us are THRILLED that she is getting noticed, getting out there, and "working it" on behalf of our kids. If she was less hot and less colorful, nobody would care. Thenak God it was 's baby and not Meryl Streep's - seriously. Di> > > > >

> Check out this video, you may want to be careful, with what else you watch about 's career. Makes one ask the old question again and again. "Where is the moral leadership on this issue?" Money talks, and no doubt "leadership" in this nation is driven by the dollar more times than not.> > > > > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------> > > > > No virus found in this incoming message.> Checked by AVG. > Version: 8.0.100 / Virus Database: 269.24.6/1482 - Release Date: 6/4/2008 7:10 AM> > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------> > > > No virus found in this incoming message.> Checked by AVG. > Version: 8.0.100 / Virus Database: 269.24.6/1482 - Release Date: 6/4/2008 7:10 AM>

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