Re: Ari Gets Published

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A public apology is a gain, isn't it?

[Guest guest]

-- In FAMSecretSociety , " maurice "

wrote:

" A public apology is a gain, isn't it? "

Absolutely not.

For someone to say " I apologize, but the campaign is still going to

run full bore anyway " means nothing,

You see Maurice, had enough autistics got off their rear ends and

wrote in letters BEFORE the campaign actually started, no one would

have seen the ads.

But most of the autistics out there are out on the WrongPlanet forum

talking about spanking in the Adult topics section instead of writing

letters, and so the ad campaign went public today.

NTs have announced they are firmly in support of the campaign

believing that these ads encapsulate the type of diseased scum that

autistics really are.

So I would just like to issue a note of annoyance to those of you 350

members of this forum who did absolutely nothing to curtail this

campaign. The damage done so far is going to take ages to reverse.

It sort of makes me wonder why it is Raven and I are trying to raise

funds for people with autism when people with autism are too lazy to

do anything for themselves when attacked.

All they needed to do was write a letter, but I guess logging on to

the bigger forums and talking about spanking is much easier for them.

I guess now we have an idea of what they really chare about.

Tom

Administrator

[Guest guest]

If it matters, I've spent much of the past week phoning and calling

the people at NYU and BBDO who put together that horror of a campaign.

I've also organized about 20 local autistic people to do the same.

On Dec 16, 2007 11:49 AM, environmental1st2003 <no_reply > wrote:

> -- In FAMSecretSociety , " maurice "

> wrote:

>

> " A public apology is a gain, isn't it? "

>

> Absolutely not.

>

> For someone to say " I apologize, but the campaign is still going to

> run full bore anyway " means nothing,

>

> You see Maurice, had enough autistics got off their rear ends and

> wrote in letters BEFORE the campaign actually started, no one would

> have seen the ads.

>

> But most of the autistics out there are out on the WrongPlanet forum

> talking about spanking in the Adult topics section instead of writing

> letters, and so the ad campaign went public today.

>

> NTs have announced they are firmly in support of the campaign

> believing that these ads encapsulate the type of diseased scum that

> autistics really are.

>

> So I would just like to issue a note of annoyance to those of you 350

> members of this forum who did absolutely nothing to curtail this

> campaign. The damage done so far is going to take ages to reverse.

>

> It sort of makes me wonder why it is Raven and I are trying to raise

> funds for people with autism when people with autism are too lazy to

> do anything for themselves when attacked.

>

> All they needed to do was write a letter, but I guess logging on to

> the bigger forums and talking about spanking is much easier for them.

>

> I guess now we have an idea of what they really chare about.

>

> Tom

> Administrator

>

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If it matters, I've spent much of the past week phoning and calling

the people at NYU and BBDO who put together that horror of a campaign.

I've also organized about 20 local autistic people to do the same.

On Dec 16, 2007 11:49 AM, environmental1st2003 <no_reply > wrote:

> -- In FAMSecretSociety , " maurice "

> wrote:

>

> " A public apology is a gain, isn't it? "

>

> Absolutely not.

>

> For someone to say " I apologize, but the campaign is still going to

> run full bore anyway " means nothing,

>

> You see Maurice, had enough autistics got off their rear ends and

> wrote in letters BEFORE the campaign actually started, no one would

> have seen the ads.

>

> But most of the autistics out there are out on the WrongPlanet forum

> talking about spanking in the Adult topics section instead of writing

> letters, and so the ad campaign went public today.

>

> NTs have announced they are firmly in support of the campaign

> believing that these ads encapsulate the type of diseased scum that

> autistics really are.

>

> So I would just like to issue a note of annoyance to those of you 350

> members of this forum who did absolutely nothing to curtail this

> campaign. The damage done so far is going to take ages to reverse.

>

> It sort of makes me wonder why it is Raven and I are trying to raise

> funds for people with autism when people with autism are too lazy to

> do anything for themselves when attacked.

>

> All they needed to do was write a letter, but I guess logging on to

> the bigger forums and talking about spanking is much easier for them.

>

> I guess now we have an idea of what they really chare about.

>

> Tom

> Administrator

>

> FAM Secret Society is a community based on respect, friendship, support and

acceptance. Everyone is valued. To contact the forum administrator, use this

e-mail address: FAMSecretSociety-owner

>

> Check the Links section for more FAM forums.

>

> Our website is here:

>

> http://www.geocities.com/environmental1st2003/FAM_Secret_Society.html

>

> and you may add to it on this page:

>

> http://www.geocities.com/environmental1st2003/Main6.html

[Guest guest]

If it matters, I've spent much of the past week phoning and calling

the people at NYU and BBDO who put together that horror of a campaign.

I've also organized about 20 local autistic people to do the same.

On Dec 16, 2007 11:49 AM, environmental1st2003 <no_reply > wrote:

> -- In FAMSecretSociety , " maurice "

> wrote:

>

> " A public apology is a gain, isn't it? "

>

> Absolutely not.

>

> For someone to say " I apologize, but the campaign is still going to

> run full bore anyway " means nothing,

>

> You see Maurice, had enough autistics got off their rear ends and

> wrote in letters BEFORE the campaign actually started, no one would

> have seen the ads.

>

> But most of the autistics out there are out on the WrongPlanet forum

> talking about spanking in the Adult topics section instead of writing

> letters, and so the ad campaign went public today.

>

> NTs have announced they are firmly in support of the campaign

> believing that these ads encapsulate the type of diseased scum that

> autistics really are.

>

> So I would just like to issue a note of annoyance to those of you 350

> members of this forum who did absolutely nothing to curtail this

> campaign. The damage done so far is going to take ages to reverse.

>

> It sort of makes me wonder why it is Raven and I are trying to raise

> funds for people with autism when people with autism are too lazy to

> do anything for themselves when attacked.

>

> All they needed to do was write a letter, but I guess logging on to

> the bigger forums and talking about spanking is much easier for them.

>

> I guess now we have an idea of what they really chare about.

>

> Tom

> Administrator

>

> FAM Secret Society is a community based on respect, friendship, support and

acceptance. Everyone is valued. To contact the forum administrator, use this

e-mail address: FAMSecretSociety-owner

>

> Check the Links section for more FAM forums.

>

> Our website is here:

>

> http://www.geocities.com/environmental1st2003/FAM_Secret_Society.html

>

> and you may add to it on this page:

>

> http://www.geocities.com/environmental1st2003/Main6.html

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maurice wrote: " A public apology is a gain, isn't it? "

Except there was NO public apology and NO private apology. There was

NO apology period.

A comment made to appear to possibly be an apology by way of saying

that something or someone had not been considered and where the offence

continues is no apology at all.

Raven

Co-Administrator

[Guest guest]

maurice wrote: " A public apology is a gain, isn't it? "

Except there was NO public apology and NO private apology. There was

NO apology period.

A comment made to appear to possibly be an apology by way of saying

that something or someone had not been considered and where the offence

continues is no apology at all.

Raven

Co-Administrator

[Guest guest]

That's good Kate. Just think, if the rest of the 350 members here who

did NOT do anything got off their butts, we would make considerable

progress here wouldn't we?

Tom

Administrator

" If it matters, I've spent much of the past week phoning and calling

the people at NYU and BBDO who put together that horror of a campaign.

I've also organized about 20 local autistic people to do the same. "

[Guest guest]

That's good Kate. Just think, if the rest of the 350 members here who

did NOT do anything got off their butts, we would make considerable

progress here wouldn't we?

Tom

Administrator

" If it matters, I've spent much of the past week phoning and calling

the people at NYU and BBDO who put together that horror of a campaign.

I've also organized about 20 local autistic people to do the same. "

[Guest guest]

Tom — do you know for certain that the rest of the 350 did nothing?

Reading an on-line petition against " Ransom Notes, " as well as some of

the blog-entries against " Ransom Notes, " I noted some

familiar-sounding names as signers/entry-authors.

Kate Gladstone

[Guest guest]

Tom — do you know for certain that the rest of the 350 did nothing?

Reading an on-line petition against " Ransom Notes, " as well as some of

the blog-entries against " Ransom Notes, " I noted some

familiar-sounding names as signers/entry-authors.

Kate Gladstone

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Let's put it this way Kate. There are 700 members in all my forums

and 694 signatures. Sounds good right?

Except between me and those who I personally know who run online

forums, we have collectively 20,000 members in 40 forums. In all of

these forums, messages have been posted urging people to sign the

petition.

Between me and who I know who run online forums, and who THEY know,

there are aproximately 60,000 online members (and this excludes

possible duplication of user names - we can tell in our member lists

who uses how many different user names) and so out of 60,000 people.

694 people have signed the petition so far.

If you factor into the equation that many of us have autism-related

businesses with e-mail lists, newsletters, blogs and media contacts,

it is a good bet that 100,000 people have been informed of the Ransom

Notes campaign and of the petition, of which 694 have signed.

For the record, Raven and I have not signed because we have something

bigger planned which you will all find out about soon.

For the present, it is really, really paltry the amount of people who

have signed the petition, and I am quite ashamed of the pathetic

effort Aspies and their parents have put forward to defend

themselves.

Tom

Administrator

Tom — do you know for certain that the rest of the 350 did nothing?

Reading an on-line petition against " Ransom Notes, " as well as some of

the blog-entries against " Ransom Notes, " I noted some

familiar-sounding names as signers/entry-authors.

Kate Gladstone

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For better or worse my letter. perhaps we should craft one together

We have your son. We will make sure he will no longer be able to care

for himself or interact socially as long as he lives.

Dear sir whom is this note directed at? Is it myself the parent of a

child with a DX that that your community has labeled him with. This

strikes me as funny because I communicate with him. I interact with

him, I care for him and I seek to teach him the skills to live.

Perhaps your campaign is so offensive (without intent of course)

because you hope to deflect the focus away from society at large and

the medical community in specific. Please tell me whom on your staff

works long hours for charity. Whom in your group has foregone

gainful employ to care give? When do you tell the public about how

wonderful it is to include children? If your campaign showed why our

children had promise and hope you may have had a different response.

In fact it is not Autism that has my son but the medical community

that has sought to alienate myself from my child. Telling me in a

well meaning way to give up. Suggesting in the nicest of ways that I

give his care over to a full time facility. Informing me with the

most logical and pragmatic approach to accept failure, and expect

nothing from him. This community of well wishers has systematically

and publicly denounced any approach that may enable him to learn on

his own(or with aid). I am at a loss, so busy am I making a

difference in my child's life, without the ability to publicly

denounce my detractors. I am just too busy undoing all of your well

meaning propaganda.

If you want to raise awareness perhaps you should address the real

people that could make a difference, namely the medical community and

society. My son functions well, he is well liked by many whom look

beyond his label. He is young and I fear for those well intentioned

that will seek to point out his disability as he ages(all in order to

help him of course) until he feels the " destructive " nature of his

disorder.

Why may I ask is it ok to medicate my son into silence, to make

others happy? Why must he conform to your ideal, why can you not

work to find a method of teaching him. Why is the medical community

and the policy makes focus to enslave my child?? Why can he not be

treated with respect and compassion? Are these not the promises of a

social community? Why is it ok to name call, avoid, separate AND

ABUSE these children. Has the separation of church and state gone so

far as to negate the human in human nature? If he learns differently

why not teach him differently? Why not mandate an interactive model

of teaching?

Your campaign is a public service? Whom are you serving? It seems

you want us to drug our children to health. You are right my son

is, " held hostage by a disorder. " But the psychiatric disorder is

not his; it seems to be a disorder of empathetic souls, only wishing

to make an honest buck by padding their research to include public

awareness.

" The idea of an autistic person is suffering is imagery

senationalized by media in describing how horrible life is. Dr.

Koplewicz, said: " It's like with AIDS. Everyone needs to be concerned

and informed. " But concern and information are not what you wish to

promote. Where does the campaign say: invite the child next door

over to play? We live on a family filled street, when we got puppies

for my son; the neighborhood children came over and played with the

dogs. Never once did they attempt to treat my son as a potential

friend. It is not the families of special needs children that need

education but everyone else that needs to see my son as a child and

not an alien disorder.

" It's tricky because there are a lot of messages in the air,

particularly at holiday time. That makes it a challenge to cut

through the clutter. " It's true all that peace on earth stuff and

that goodwill toward others. Certainly showing how different those

disordered children are is a difficult thing to get across with all

that positive shlock going around.

" I am disappointed. I thought the people we'd be arguing with are the

people who believe children are being overmedicated, he said.

" I thought we'd be fighting ignorance. I didn't think we'd be

fighting adult patients or the parents of patients whose feelings

have been hurt. "

" It's a legitimate claim that children with disabilities are

vulnerable enough as it is, " said Ms. Etlinger, whose 4-year-old son

has mild autism. " I think we need to take special care that they're

not further stigmatized. This campaign characterizes them as a series

of symptoms rather than as the unique people they are. "

From my perspective medication is NOT the answer. Listening is the

answer. It calls into question who is ignorant.

He decided to retain the ads after conferring with colleagues whose

attitude, he said, " was that some people would be upset but that we

should stick with it and ride out the storm. "

I am shocked that you view community solidarity as riding out a

storm. That concerned parents who put their children's care and

future progress as paramount concerns, are uninformed and ignorant of

the need for more medication and seperation. I must ask again whom

is this campaign for? Certainly you are not hoping to entice

teachers to view children as full of promise. If your intent was to

rob children of human concern and make them even more separate, than

I feel you have succeeded in an edgy way.

My outrage is your message to my child, my community, and my

country. Intention or not your campaign is abusive. The words

exclude, separate and put on display children, and there is no sense

of community. Your campaign says, " wadda u guna do about it? " Well

you have the answer, you have acted in a punk like fashion, and I

don't need punks threatening my child.