Re: always stick to really REAL stuff-chamirija

[Guest guest]

Hi chamirija,

You're the chemist, right? I'm a visual artist. I share your facination

with 'super realism'; I can get my head around things that do not alter the

stability of what I KNOW.

I was in art school about the time that abstract-everything was

'intelligent', and sophisticated...i. e. superior. I didn't 'get it', and

thought there

was something 'mechanical/inferior' about my preferred style.

I eventually learned/understood that I disliked 'modern' art, particularly

abstract, BECAUSE of the deliberate ambiguity; one has to 'interpret' elements -

very much like hearing what nada did not say.

Maybe that is why I love photography so; the camera is my witness. I'm

experimenting now with optical illusions...brave step for me...in revealing my

feelings through my art. All things pass...really.

Carol

In a message dated 4/3/04 2:38:10 PM Eastern Standard Time,

chamirija@... writes:

I would like to clarify what I meant by that: 'real' to me meant, objective,

facts, no emotions...I do not want anyone to think I mean that poetry is not

art...actually, it is true art, but I was just trying to illustrate where I am,

and was...

A good poet (a good artist) evokes an emotional response...strangely, I get

an uncomfortable one from poetry, yet a strong, quite moving one from, say, a

picture ---either super realism (I went with my uncle to an exhibit of

Impressionists in 1991 at the Boston MFA, and was sooo bored...so I wondered

into this

gallery of " super-realism " paintings, and it was the first time art had

literally taken my breath away!!!)

[Guest guest]

Hi chamirija,

You're the chemist, right? I'm a visual artist. I share your facination

with 'super realism'; I can get my head around things that do not alter the

stability of what I KNOW.

I was in art school about the time that abstract-everything was

'intelligent', and sophisticated...i. e. superior. I didn't 'get it', and

thought there

was something 'mechanical/inferior' about my preferred style.

I eventually learned/understood that I disliked 'modern' art, particularly

abstract, BECAUSE of the deliberate ambiguity; one has to 'interpret' elements -

very much like hearing what nada did not say.

Maybe that is why I love photography so; the camera is my witness. I'm

experimenting now with optical illusions...brave step for me...in revealing my

feelings through my art. All things pass...really.

Carol

In a message dated 4/3/04 2:38:10 PM Eastern Standard Time,

chamirija@... writes:

I would like to clarify what I meant by that: 'real' to me meant, objective,

facts, no emotions...I do not want anyone to think I mean that poetry is not

art...actually, it is true art, but I was just trying to illustrate where I am,

and was...

A good poet (a good artist) evokes an emotional response...strangely, I get

an uncomfortable one from poetry, yet a strong, quite moving one from, say, a

picture ---either super realism (I went with my uncle to an exhibit of

Impressionists in 1991 at the Boston MFA, and was sooo bored...so I wondered

into this

gallery of " super-realism " paintings, and it was the first time art had

literally taken my breath away!!!)

[Guest guest]

Hi Otwama,

I was trained in graphic design, got worn out working in advertising. Went

back after my fine arts/painting, sculpture and have been having fun ever

since. I'm mesmerized by installation and performance art...one in particular

called 'Cats', don't remember the artists name now, but she made dozens of

models

of cats in various poses around a room, wonderful.

I am doing oil portraits now, really enjoying it. I keep my darkroom

cluttered with projects, and still love photography. Playing around with

multiple

pinhole images, combinations with old family photos.

Have never before been able to express through my artwork any of my

foo/feelings but am feeling near that point. Lots of ideas coming.

Glad to know another artist, Carol

In a message dated 4/5/04 9:48:13 AM Eastern Daylight Time,

otwoma2002@... writes:

I am also a visual artist. I believe that the skills of problem-solving that

I learned through art, helped me navigate my disfunctional BP parents. Those

same skills helped me develop a feel for what was right for me as an artist.

Performance and conceptual art were the trends when I was in school. I didn't

care. I found a graduate school that would allow me to grow with-out making me a

clone. I meet weekly with a guy who I see as an art coach. He crtiques my

work, but lets me be me.

I went to the Whitney biannual this week in NYC. There are SOOOOOO many types

of artists and work out there. Art is truely a big tent. Bottom line is that

it doesn't matter what part of the tent you camp in, but you have got to be

good, and professional and JUSTIFY WHAT YOU DO. One big part of art is the

self-marketing. That part is where many of us fail. My loss of my BP pseudo

friend

has made me find comfort in my work and it is IMHO the best work I have ever

done. Take care.

Otwoma

getevenpersevere@... wrote:

Hi chamirija,

You're the chemist, right? I'm a visual artist. I share your facination

with 'super realism'; I can get my head around things that do not alter the

stability of what I KNOW.

I was in art school about the time that abstract-everything was

'intelligent', and sophisticated...i. e. superior. I didn't 'get it', and

thought there

was something 'mechanical/inferior' about my preferred style.

I eventually learned/understood that I disliked 'modern' art, particularly

abstract, BECAUSE of the deliberate ambiguity; one has to 'interpret'

elements -

very much like hearing what nada did not say.

Maybe that is why I love photography so; the camera is my witness. I'm

experimenting now with optical illusions...brave step for me...in revealing

my

feelings through my art. All things pass...really.

Carol

[Guest guest]

>> I went to the Whitney biannual this week in NYC. There are SOOOOOO

many types of artists and work out there. Art is truely a big tent.

Bottom line is that it doesn't matter what part of the tent you camp

in, but you have got to be good, and professional and JUSTIFY WHAT YOU

DO. One big part of art is the self-marketing. That part is where many

of us fail. My loss of my BP pseudo friend has made me find comfort in

my work and it is IMHO the best work I have ever done. Take care.

> Otwoma

Hi Otwoma Darn, iffin' I'd a known you was in town I'd a suggested

we meet for a beverage. I have artist friends in the same

situation...truely talented. But the self-marketing end of the

equation holds 'em back. One of my pet projects has been setting up

their stuff at small " under the radar " galleries. They get exposure

and sales, I get a small comission but really it's a lot of fun or I

wouldn't be doing it :=)

Keep up the good work!

liquid sunsh