Re: My Dr's comment about Oxycontin.

[Guest guest]

You're right, pain can cause other problems. when ever i go to the hospital

for a severe pain flair up, my blood presure is always much higher then

normal. Not to mention the emotional pain that comes with it, that's what i am

having hard time dealing with....the depression is awful. Some day's are

better then others. My Doc won't treat me for this (but will talk to him about

it

again on Wed when i see him). My doc treats me via a lawyer, via a car

accident, so he can only treat me for 'case related' problems, BUT.... my

depression came with the pain and the accident LOL. So we shall see.

Take care, hope you have a pain free day.

mom19512003 writes:

> I was in so much pain last week

> that it threw me into extreme attack on my heart,I had to go to

> hospital. I live in small town he said three docs take care of 8.000

> people I told him I understood but apparently the pain can cause heart

> problems I cannot wait.He agreed.He is real nice.

>

Come see my rat/rodent photography

1) http://public.fotki.com/ratgirl1971/

2 ) http://public.fotki.com/ratgirl1004/

Join my rat group

http//:yahoo.groups.com/group/wonderfulworldofrats/

- Owned by:

RATS

Boys- Elijah Rory Luca Jerimiah Benjimen Duncan Miko Liam

Magic And Loki

Girls- Ripley Patsy Eddie Willow Matilda Lucy Saffy Mackenzie

Buffy Lelu Lola Rhiannon And River

AND one Hamster- Starbuck

AND one Beta fish- LiL' Buddha

AND one Cat- Sierra

___________________________

[Guest guest]

The whole issue of addiction is a prime time issue, especially about

prescription medications. Your doctor is probably exercising extreme caution,

especially about oxycontin as it gets the most bad press right now.

Ray

[Guest guest]

My doc said that docs are confused on how to deal with chronic pain

without hurting us further, I told him if I wanted to get hi I could

go to streets it would be faster, He agreed so now he well a least

order vicdon when I need it, I only use use it when I need it,I handle

what pain I can fist, He did say he believes Im in every once of pain

I say that I am. That was a least good and relief, He did say they are

looking for safe way to relive pain, I was in so much pain last week

that it threw me into extreme attack on my heart,I had to go to

hospital. I live in small town he said three docs take care of 8.000

people I told him I understood but apparently the pain can cause heart

problems I cannot wait.He agreed.He is real nice.

[Guest guest]

,

First I would like to start by telling you there is huge

difference between addiction, and dependency. Prime example the valium

that you are taking will be much harder to come off than any drug he has

you on, or ever will have you on.

Valium, is a CNS drug (central nervous system drug ). This drug builds

up in your system, and creates a dependency. Does that mean that you are

an addict? Not at all, the reaction would happen to anyone, yet it

doesn't change the fact that your body has become dependent upon it.

Both the Vicodin, and the Valium are fast acting, short lived drugs with

a max peak time. ( That is why addicts love them )People with severe

chronic pain need even coverage all of the time, when in severe flare

ups.

That is where Oxy comes in to play. I don't feel high when on Oxy, and

am able to work, and enjoy life instead of being bedridden, and on

disability. I do take Klonapin which is in the same category as Valium,

but again one dose covers me for several HOURS, AND I DON'T FEEL IT.

I am on the go with my job, that I love with all my heart. I work for

NBC TV, and make commercials. ( Finding a purpose, and a passion to me

is one of the best meds there is ) but after taking myself off all meds

( don't ever do ) !!! especially CNS drugs myself, and realizing, the

pain is unbearable, and takes away my quality of life, because of a

cruel heartless Dr. who was very ignorant, I will stand my ground, and

tell any Dr. that would ever try to patronize me, that he was fired. A

Dr. that doesn't listen to how much pain you are in, is setting you up

to raise your own dosage to get out of pain by yourself, then you end up

running short on meds. They at that point try to put the guilt trip on

you. Also I don't know what dose of Vicodin basically hydrocodone, he

has you on ( Vicodin ) same thing, but the amount of tylnol is very

damaging to your liver. Narco Tabs have a lot less, yet more opiate. I

could go on, and

on, but I will stop here.

Stand UP FOR YOUR RIGHTS NOT TO BE IN PAIN!!! INTERVIEW DRS, AND

CALL HOSPICE FIND DR. AND PHARMACIES THAT WORK WITH PAIN ALL OF

THE TIME. tHEY KNOW WHAT THEY ARE DOING!!! HOPE THIS HELPS

wrote:

<snipped>

>

> Anyway, i had mentioned in a post a few weeks ago about what my doctor

> said in regards to Oxycontin. What i had mentioned to him was " Many

> of the people on the yahoo groups i belong to who have my condition or

> another painful condition are prescribed Oxycontin, can i try this

> instead of Vicodin Hp " . What he said to me was " Everyone i know who

> has been on that has gotten addicted, "

[Guest guest]

,

First I would like to start by telling you there is huge

difference between addiction, and dependency. Prime example the valium

that you are taking will be much harder to come off than any drug he has

you on, or ever will have you on.

Valium, is a CNS drug (central nervous system drug ). This drug builds

up in your system, and creates a dependency. Does that mean that you are

an addict? Not at all, the reaction would happen to anyone, yet it

doesn't change the fact that your body has become dependent upon it.

Both the Vicodin, and the Valium are fast acting, short lived drugs with

a max peak time. ( That is why addicts love them )People with severe

chronic pain need even coverage all of the time, when in severe flare

ups.

That is where Oxy comes in to play. I don't feel high when on Oxy, and

am able to work, and enjoy life instead of being bedridden, and on

disability. I do take Klonapin which is in the same category as Valium,

but again one dose covers me for several HOURS, AND I DON'T FEEL IT.

I am on the go with my job, that I love with all my heart. I work for

NBC TV, and make commercials. ( Finding a purpose, and a passion to me

is one of the best meds there is ) but after taking myself off all meds

( don't ever do ) !!! especially CNS drugs myself, and realizing, the

pain is unbearable, and takes away my quality of life, because of a

cruel heartless Dr. who was very ignorant, I will stand my ground, and

tell any Dr. that would ever try to patronize me, that he was fired. A

Dr. that doesn't listen to how much pain you are in, is setting you up

to raise your own dosage to get out of pain by yourself, then you end up

running short on meds. They at that point try to put the guilt trip on

you. Also I don't know what dose of Vicodin basically hydrocodone, he

has you on ( Vicodin ) same thing, but the amount of tylnol is very

damaging to your liver. Narco Tabs have a lot less, yet more opiate. I

could go on, and

on, but I will stop here.

Stand UP FOR YOUR RIGHTS NOT TO BE IN PAIN!!! INTERVIEW DRS, AND

CALL HOSPICE FIND DR. AND PHARMACIES THAT WORK WITH PAIN ALL OF

THE TIME. tHEY KNOW WHAT THEY ARE DOING!!! HOPE THIS HELPS

wrote:

<snipped>

>

> Anyway, i had mentioned in a post a few weeks ago about what my doctor

> said in regards to Oxycontin. What i had mentioned to him was " Many

> of the people on the yahoo groups i belong to who have my condition or

> another painful condition are prescribed Oxycontin, can i try this

> instead of Vicodin Hp " . What he said to me was " Everyone i know who

> has been on that has gotten addicted, "

[Guest guest]

That is odd usally for chronic pain they give you antidepressants to help with

anixsity of the pain.I take prozac it take edge off, they do not want to pay

for chronic pain too exspensive, Plus theres no real answer, but i do belive

are atomosphere has an affect on pain,I deffintly feel better summer than

winter,hope your better,But with every passing winter it get worse.I have

pain all year around .It seems better in warmer weather. You have a good

night.

[Guest guest]

That is odd usally for chronic pain they give you antidepressants to help with

anixsity of the pain.I take prozac it take edge off, they do not want to pay

for chronic pain too exspensive, Plus theres no real answer, but i do belive

are atomosphere has an affect on pain,I deffintly feel better summer than

winter,hope your better,But with every passing winter it get worse.I have

pain all year around .It seems better in warmer weather. You have a good

night.

[Guest guest]

Hi,

Thanks for replying. I have researched addiction VS tolerance and

understand it. And you are right about the Valium, i built a tolerance to that

in days, the first dose made me relaxed, not so much high or anything....just

relaxed, but the doses after really do not do anything.

I wonder If Xanax would be better, I know it is in the same catogory but

has a differenct compound.

I am currently on Vicodin Hp, and you're right again, one does nothing (I am

prescribed this- " every 6 hours as needed for pain)* Inserts BIG LAUGH*. I

have been on it for 2 years now and i regret to say i do *up my dose* the

relieve the pain and do run out before my refill date, i try so hard not to but

the pain is to much. The few days i am without my meds can be hard. I don't

take the valium that much anymore, so i will have those for those days but they

don't realy do much but slow me down and i hate that. Vicodin HP Doesn't

slow me down or anything, it doesn't give me a *high* feeling, just a

comfrotable feeling which is just Pain relief association not addiction.

I would love to print out what you said about Oxycontin and show it to my

Doc, that it doesn't make you high. But, i don't think it would make a

differance with him and i don't want to press the issue, i don't want to

jepordize the meds he generously gives me already, living without medication and

having pain would be intolerable and i would be having more ER trips then i am

already having. On average, i go to the ER for severe flair ups once ever 2-3

Months.

I have gone about 8 times and have only been refused pain relief once.

One doc wouldn't treat me till he spoke to my Doctor and it was a sunday night

and my doctor doesn't have an emergency number or a service, yea strange. So

told this Doctor " I would rather go suffer in my own bed, sorry i took up a

bed for 4 hours waiting for my Doctor to call back ( I knew he wasn't going to

call and wasn't going to sit there till Monday the next day at 1:30 when he

comes in. Now he only is in the office one day a week- wednesdays. He is

quite young, maybe he still does a lot of rotations, i don't know how that

works, only from what i have seen on ER (TV SHOW) and those medical shows on TLC

and Discovery. Either that or he is in surgery the rest of the time.

But anyway, i understand what you said and i know the differance between

Addiction and Tolerance, wish more Doctors did and understood it. I am sure one

day Narcotic pain relievers will be gone completeley when they discovver another

way to relieve it, weather it be surgical or new kinds of meds.... either way, i

need pain relief even if it is a narcotic.

It's wonderful you can work and are doing something you are passionate

about.. Right now i have a few passions but have lost interest. Hope it

comes back someday. I am sure it will.

Ok, i went off rambling.

Take care and i hope everyone has a pain free night

Dee wrote:

>       First I would like to start by telling you there is huge

> difference between addiction, and dependency. Prime example the valium

> that you are taking will be much harder to come off than any drug he has

> you on, or ever will have you on.

[Guest guest]

Hi,

Thanks for replying. I have researched addiction VS tolerance and

understand it. And you are right about the Valium, i built a tolerance to that

in days, the first dose made me relaxed, not so much high or anything....just

relaxed, but the doses after really do not do anything.

I wonder If Xanax would be better, I know it is in the same catogory but

has a differenct compound.

I am currently on Vicodin Hp, and you're right again, one does nothing (I am

prescribed this- " every 6 hours as needed for pain)* Inserts BIG LAUGH*. I

have been on it for 2 years now and i regret to say i do *up my dose* the

relieve the pain and do run out before my refill date, i try so hard not to but

the pain is to much. The few days i am without my meds can be hard. I don't

take the valium that much anymore, so i will have those for those days but they

don't realy do much but slow me down and i hate that. Vicodin HP Doesn't

slow me down or anything, it doesn't give me a *high* feeling, just a

comfrotable feeling which is just Pain relief association not addiction.

I would love to print out what you said about Oxycontin and show it to my

Doc, that it doesn't make you high. But, i don't think it would make a

differance with him and i don't want to press the issue, i don't want to

jepordize the meds he generously gives me already, living without medication and

having pain would be intolerable and i would be having more ER trips then i am

already having. On average, i go to the ER for severe flair ups once ever 2-3

Months.

I have gone about 8 times and have only been refused pain relief once.

One doc wouldn't treat me till he spoke to my Doctor and it was a sunday night

and my doctor doesn't have an emergency number or a service, yea strange. So

told this Doctor " I would rather go suffer in my own bed, sorry i took up a

bed for 4 hours waiting for my Doctor to call back ( I knew he wasn't going to

call and wasn't going to sit there till Monday the next day at 1:30 when he

comes in. Now he only is in the office one day a week- wednesdays. He is

quite young, maybe he still does a lot of rotations, i don't know how that

works, only from what i have seen on ER (TV SHOW) and those medical shows on TLC

and Discovery. Either that or he is in surgery the rest of the time.

But anyway, i understand what you said and i know the differance between

Addiction and Tolerance, wish more Doctors did and understood it. I am sure one

day Narcotic pain relievers will be gone completeley when they discovver another

way to relieve it, weather it be surgical or new kinds of meds.... either way, i

need pain relief even if it is a narcotic.

It's wonderful you can work and are doing something you are passionate

about.. Right now i have a few passions but have lost interest. Hope it

comes back someday. I am sure it will.

Ok, i went off rambling.

Take care and i hope everyone has a pain free night

Dee wrote:

>       First I would like to start by telling you there is huge

> difference between addiction, and dependency. Prime example the valium

> that you are taking will be much harder to come off than any drug he has

> you on, or ever will have you on.

[Guest guest]

Hi,

Thanks for replying. I have researched addiction VS tolerance and

understand it. And you are right about the Valium, i built a tolerance to that

in days, the first dose made me relaxed, not so much high or anything....just

relaxed, but the doses after really do not do anything.

I wonder If Xanax would be better, I know it is in the same catogory but

has a differenct compound.

I am currently on Vicodin Hp, and you're right again, one does nothing (I am

prescribed this- " every 6 hours as needed for pain)* Inserts BIG LAUGH*. I

have been on it for 2 years now and i regret to say i do *up my dose* the

relieve the pain and do run out before my refill date, i try so hard not to but

the pain is to much. The few days i am without my meds can be hard. I don't

take the valium that much anymore, so i will have those for those days but they

don't realy do much but slow me down and i hate that. Vicodin HP Doesn't

slow me down or anything, it doesn't give me a *high* feeling, just a

comfrotable feeling which is just Pain relief association not addiction.

I would love to print out what you said about Oxycontin and show it to my

Doc, that it doesn't make you high. But, i don't think it would make a

differance with him and i don't want to press the issue, i don't want to

jepordize the meds he generously gives me already, living without medication and

having pain would be intolerable and i would be having more ER trips then i am

already having. On average, i go to the ER for severe flair ups once ever 2-3

Months.

I have gone about 8 times and have only been refused pain relief once.

One doc wouldn't treat me till he spoke to my Doctor and it was a sunday night

and my doctor doesn't have an emergency number or a service, yea strange. So

told this Doctor " I would rather go suffer in my own bed, sorry i took up a

bed for 4 hours waiting for my Doctor to call back ( I knew he wasn't going to

call and wasn't going to sit there till Monday the next day at 1:30 when he

comes in. Now he only is in the office one day a week- wednesdays. He is

quite young, maybe he still does a lot of rotations, i don't know how that

works, only from what i have seen on ER (TV SHOW) and those medical shows on TLC

and Discovery. Either that or he is in surgery the rest of the time.

But anyway, i understand what you said and i know the differance between

Addiction and Tolerance, wish more Doctors did and understood it. I am sure one

day Narcotic pain relievers will be gone completeley when they discovver another

way to relieve it, weather it be surgical or new kinds of meds.... either way, i

need pain relief even if it is a narcotic.

It's wonderful you can work and are doing something you are passionate

about.. Right now i have a few passions but have lost interest. Hope it

comes back someday. I am sure it will.

Ok, i went off rambling.

Take care and i hope everyone has a pain free night

Dee wrote:

>       First I would like to start by telling you there is huge

> difference between addiction, and dependency. Prime example the valium

> that you are taking will be much harder to come off than any drug he has

> you on, or ever will have you on.

[Guest guest]

I personally after 6 months of freedom from oxycontin will beg you NOT to go on

this med. I was on cancer patient levels for 6 years 480mg daily plus 10mg

quick release oxy, in addittion to all the other meds. I lost my dr after 7 or

9 years, don't remember, still having bad system, memory problems from it and my

liver and kidneys are ruined because of it, I lost almost all of my teeth going

off it. I didin't get to step down, I had to go to the er 4 times in

withdrawals and it is a million times worse than what you see in movies, I was

released in bad shape, went home and almost died, I wanted to. But now I

meditate, take some meds' but no narcs although if my blood pressure doesn't

come down they claim I will have no choice and I have been on them all the last

9 years, oxycontin, morphene, duragesic, etc. etc. I have at least five years

of no memories, seems like I woke up one day when after 90 days of withdrawals

and didn't recognize my 10 year old son hardly, or anything

else in my life. I want a life but pain is part of it, right now because of

the loss of my daughter's love and now the loss of her husband due to a dr

mistake on dosage of heavy narcs he will be dead one month 3/16. I was planning

on dying before this happened and was plaanning it. I just couln't take how

irratible and hateful I wsa to everyone since I am in pain. RSD, MFS and

fibromyalgia have ruined my once very healthy body and my mind. I am so

depressed I have to wait to end my own life, my last straw was not getting my

license renrewed friday and I even tried to jump from a car moving 60 on the

freeway. I have given up but please don't ruin what life you have on oxycontin,

the consequences are not worth it. I have lost everything, credit, memories, my

self worth, dignity, looks, love of my daughter, other family members and

friends, and my will to live, etc. (I don't want my famillies/friends pity,

just understanding) will to live, etc. Please try lidoderm patches.

I have trouble getting my meds only because TX workers comp sucks, they let me

go days before reapproviing what little meds I do get. I am still not mentally

all there and I think my family might have me committed. Try lidoderm patches,

limited excercise, meditation and prayer. My thoughts are with you, May God

give you peace, hope, faith and happiness. Sincerelly,

[Guest guest]

debra riggs wrote:

> Valium, is a CNS drug (central nervous system drug ). This drug builds

> up in your system, and creates a dependency.

The drug does *not* " build up " in your body. Or at least it shouldn't.

After you take any drug regularly for a while, it reaches a steady

concentration in your blood and tissues; your liver and kidneys remove

it at the same average rate that you add new drug. If you stop taking

the drug, the concentration will decrease as your liver and kidneys

continue to remove until it's all gone. That's why doctors have to be

very careful when a patient has liver or kidney problems; they often

have to reduce a drug dosage considerably.

Physical dependency occurs when a drug literally CHANGES YOUR BODY, and

it takes time to reverse these changes when the drug is discontinued.

The mechanisms of both dependence and tolerance are many and complex,

and are still being researched.

One important mechanism is the up- and down-regulation of receptors. All

CNS-active drugs work by binding (attaching) to specific proteins, known

as receptors, on the surfaces of nerve cells in the brain and spinal

cord. Once bound, they either activate the receptor (agonist) or they

block other compounds (natural or artificial) from activating it

(antagonist).

But the number of receptors on a nerve isn't always constant. A nerve

often responds to continual activation of a receptor by reducing the

number of receptors. And if you continually block a receptor, the nerve

tries to compensate by increasing their number. So if you suddenly

discontinue a drug after taking it for a while, the affected nerves will

suddenly have too few or too many receptors to operate normally. A

physical withdrawal syndrome occurs until the nerve can bring the number

of receptors back to normal. And that takes time; there's just no known

way to hurry the process.

This doesn't just happen with opioids; many other drugs cause up- or

down-regulation of receptors, and have physical withdrawal syndromes as

a result. Consider beta blockers, which block the effect of adrenalin on

the heart. They are often wonder drugs for patients with heart trouble

or even panic disorders, but patients taking them are always sternly

warned to never ever stop them suddenly. That's because long-term use of

a beta blocker increases the number of the beta receptors in the heart

(remember, antagonists up-regulate receptors). So if you suddenly

unblock all those extra receptors, the heart becomes extremely sensitive

to adrenalin, so much so that the patient could suffer a heart attack.

So beta blockers, like opioids, have to be tapered off slowly.

Phil

[Guest guest]

SHELLYM wrote:

> I personally after 6 months of freedom from oxycontin will beg you

> NOT to go on this med. I was on cancer patient levels for 6 years

> 480mg daily plus 10mg quick release oxy, in addittion to all the

> other meds. I lost my dr after 7 or 9 years, don't remember, still

> having bad system, memory problems from it and my liver and kidneys

> are ruined because of it, I lost almost all of my teeth going off it.

,

What reason do you have to believe that your use of oxycontin damaged

your liver, kidneys and teeth?

The medical evidence is actually quite strong that opioids are

remarkably non-toxic when properly used for pain. They are certainly

much easier on the liver than acetaminophen (Tylenol), and easier on the

stomach than NSAIDs like aspirin. Many more people die from accidental

acetaminophen overdoses than from deliberate Oxycontin abuse. That's a fact.

There seems to be no upper limit to the opioid dose that can be used to

safely treat really severe pain, as long as the dose is increased slowly

and carefully. The one risk from opioid use is respiratory depression

(that's how overdoses kill) but as long as the dose is increased slowly

enough for tolerance to build, this is not a problem.

The only major long-term problem with opioids, as most people here know,

is constipation and other bowel problems. But they can be managed too.

Yes, opioids do induce physical dependence, and the agony of sudden

withdrawal can be fierce. But opioid withdrawal can be managed with a

slow taper and with other medications; there is simply no reason it has

to be a problem.

Going on opioids is definitely not a decision to be made lightly, but if

your life is being wrecked by uncontrolled pain they can be a miracle.

There's simply no reason to be so scared of opioids, and there's no

excuse for spreading those outdated myths to others who might also benefit.

Phil

[Guest guest]

rsungodess2003@... wrote:

> I would love to print out what you said about Oxycontin and show it

> to my Doc, that it doesn't make you high. But, i don't think it

> would make a differance with him and i don't want to press the issue,

> i don't want to jepordize the meds he generously gives me already,

> living without medication and having pain would be intolerable and i

> would be having more ER trips then i am already having. On average,

> i go to the ER for severe flair ups once ever 2-3 Months.

If you have explained this to your doctor but he won't do anything about

it, then you should consider getting a new pain doctor.

One of the provisions of the pain contract I signed is that I would not

go to the emergency room just for pain. Nor do I have to, because my

pain doctor gives me scripts for both long-acting meds that I take

regularly and " rescue " meds that I can take when things get really bad.

So I think that's a perfectly reasonable rule.

There would be no need for you to go to the ER for pain if you were

getting adequate treatment from your pain doctor in the first place.

Phil

[Guest guest]

I disagree, I was on oxycontin over five years 480mg dailly plus, plus. When my

doctor dropped me I went along on extra meds a while then went thru 3 months of

the worst withdrawals from the additioin, it was worse than anything you have

even seen on TV, I am afraid of anything narcodic at all, my pain has shot my

perfect blood pressure thru the roof and I am severly depressed from the pain

and still from the oxycontin and the memories that I will never recover.

Yes I was happier, in a heck of a lot less pain but I still had bad days. But I

was in a stupor. I lost everything becuase of this drug, including my daughters

love, my small families love and support after over 9 years total it gets old.

The vicodin is also addictive but not like oxycontin. And I don't suggest the

slow release morphine. I speak from a great deal of experience, 22 procedures

(surgeries, tests, spinal, on and on and on and 8 surgeries.

I am stage II RSD w/fibromyalgia, MFS and I am even afraid to take the vicodin.

I was given the vicodin w/o asprin or tylenol and it doesn't work. But good

luck check around before you get in to deep on the meds. I am on 8 non narcodic

drugs alone just for the central nervous system, it doensn't just go away.

Peace, hope, faith, happiness and Bless you

[Guest guest]

Extraneous Text deleted by Moderator

Hey Guy's!

I haven't written in a while as I am wide open most of the time just trying

to keep up myself and a 12 and 10 year old after the wife left but I have been

reading post as I can and this one really caught my eye as I have been on

Oxycontin for 5 years now.

The above really bothers me ,not from the patient stand point as I have had

tom do this in the past. I would like to smack your Docctor for not caring for

you as he should!! I had a friend who was in pain and frustration to the

point that this was occuring. This person wound up out of meds in very serious

and potentially life threatening pain and in the desperation, pain and

depression wrote a few of her own scripts and now has a felony record!!!! Her

Doctor should have been the one charged for malpractice!!!!

The point is you are not being treated correctly if this is happening. I am

scared as I think most who log in here are of addiction/ withdrawl /

dependency if Doc's wrere to want to detox me BUT I am just as scared if not

more so of what I would do if I didn't have the meds I'm on.

In the beginning my Pain Doc's were very relucant on the Oxy and uping my Mg.

to get a hold on my pain. Now after 5 years on it with no abuse problems

they have told me if it will help to increase my activity's they would up it

from

here though I told them no. Some Doc's think " Your on a very high dose " but

the main two that are handling my CP and know me well will go up in dose if I

request it. Just as in anything such as say mechanic's there are those that

have a gift for it and some that shouldn't be doing it !!

My take on it.......CP survivor 9 very difficult years....GOOD LUCK !

C yA

SCOTTY

NOW FOR A LITTLE CLEAN LAUGH !

=============================================================

Strangers on a Train

A scientist gets on a train to go to New York. His cabin also has a poor

farmer in it. To pass the time the scientist decides to play a game with the

guy.

" I will ask you a question and if you get it wrong, you have to pay me 1

dollar. Then you ask me a question, and if I get it wrong, you get 10 dollars.

You ask me a question first. " The farmer thinks for a while.

" I know. What has three legs, takes 10 hours to climb up a palm tree, and 10

seconds to get back down? " The scientist is confused and thinks long and hard

about the question. Finally, the train ride is coming to an end. As it pulls

into the station, the scientist takes out 10 dollars and gives it to the

farmer.

" I don't know. What has 3 legs, takes 10 hours to get up a palm tree and 10

seconds to get back down? " The farmer takes the 10 dollars and puts it into his

pocket. He then takes out 1 dollar and hands it to the scientist.

" I don't know. "

[Guest guest]

I know I'm a little late to this discussion, but since I just

recently switched from Vicodin ES to Oxycontin, I wanted to put

my " 2 cents " in.

I went to see my doctor in February, during a Fibro flare, had to

get it documented for work, and I brought up the subject of my pain

med. I told my doctor that I was frustrated with Vicodin, because

of the short term relief it provided when my pain was around the

clock, and I didn't like having to take it so much to get a little

bit of relief (I was also really concerned about the amount of

acetaminophen I was putting into my body). It also impaired my

cognitive functioning, which I wasn't too fond of either. So I

asked if we could try something different.

My doctor kind of stalled around for a minute, and looked through my

files. He stated that we'd tried Ultram, Darvocet, and the like,

and I said " What about a low dose of an extended release drug?

Would that be comparable to the amount of Vicodin I am taking now? "

I told him that I just wanted something that would last longer than

the Vicodin, and not make me loopy. So we started discussing drugs

like Oxycontin and MS Contin, as well as patches. Patches were

ruled out right away, since I'm not to the level where I need

constant pain control (yet!). I nixed MS Contin, because the idea

of taking Morphine made me somewhat uncomfortable, and I'd taken

Oxycodone before, just not alone. So my doctor agreed to prescribe

10mg twice a day, but I only take it as needed, when the pain is out

of control. I know that's not the " normal " prescribing indications,

but it's worked out really well for my situation. It also doesn't

make me loopy like the Vicodin did. The only way I know I've taken

it is that my pain is gone.

I think it was Debra that said that Oxycontin has given her her life

back, and allowed her to be functional, and I feel the same way.

When the severe pain comes on, there would be NO functioning for me

without it. Some doctors feel it's wrong to take pain meds for

Fibro pain, but my doctor, who is very compassionate, feels that

it's senseless to suffer in pain for no good reason. That low dose

of Oxy allows me to be able to go to work, when otherwise, I

wouldn't be able to even get out of my bed. Of course, there are

times when I still can't go to work, because of the crushing fatigue

and other symptoms, or the Oxy just isn't enough, but thank

goodness, I have intermittent FMLA.

To whomever wrote that their doctor was brushing off their requests

for a stronger med like Oxycontin, don't let your doc bully you!

You deserve adequate pain relief, and VERY FEW patients with chronic

pain get addicted to their meds...I think the number is something

like 1%, someone can correct me if I'm wrong, but it's a very low

number! You admit to " doubling up " on your Vicodin, so clearly,

it's not doing it's job! Oxycontin has gotten a very bad rep, yes,

but your doc is being ridiculous. Don't let him do this to you! We

have to be our own advocates, and we have to fight for adequate

care. Please don't give up on getting the meds you need!

Jen

[Guest guest]

me too Jen, I have a chronic back and the oxy seems to work well. I have

Ultram too and soma for spasams, but the oxy is great for my real bad hurt days.

I also take 10 mg. and get nothing but relief from it. God Bless, Donna

[Guest guest]

me too Jen, I have a chronic back and the oxy seems to work well. I have

Ultram too and soma for spasams, but the oxy is great for my real bad hurt days.

I also take 10 mg. and get nothing but relief from it. God Bless, Donna

[Guest guest]

me too Jen, I have a chronic back and the oxy seems to work well. I have

Ultram too and soma for spasams, but the oxy is great for my real bad hurt days.

I also take 10 mg. and get nothing but relief from it. God Bless, Donna

[Guest guest]

I'm glad to hear that Jen and Donna have had good " luck " with only 10 mg of

Oxycontin a day to get rid of their back pain. I've been taking 10 mg twice

a day since last summer along with 5 mg of Percoset for " break through "

pain, but the only time my pain goes completely away is when I lay down with

a hot corn pack against my back. I haven't one pain free day since my

injuries of almost 3 1/2 years ago. You two are very fortunate. I've tried

patches and a lot of other pain medicines and nothing really works well for

me at all.

Cherie

Snohomish, WA

_________________________________________________________________

Tax headache? MSN Money provides relief with tax tips, tools, IRS forms and

more! http://moneycentral.msn.com/tax/workshop/welcome.asp

[Guest guest]

I'm glad to hear that Jen and Donna have had good " luck " with only 10 mg of

Oxycontin a day to get rid of their back pain. I've been taking 10 mg twice

a day since last summer along with 5 mg of Percoset for " break through "

pain, but the only time my pain goes completely away is when I lay down with

a hot corn pack against my back. I haven't one pain free day since my

injuries of almost 3 1/2 years ago. You two are very fortunate. I've tried

patches and a lot of other pain medicines and nothing really works well for

me at all.

Cherie

Snohomish, WA

_________________________________________________________________

Tax headache? MSN Money provides relief with tax tips, tools, IRS forms and

more! http://moneycentral.msn.com/tax/workshop/welcome.asp

[Guest guest]

Cherie,

I didn't mean to leave anyone with the impression that 10mg once a

day gets rid of my pain! Goodness, I'd be jumping for joy if that

were the case! LOL! My dosage is 10mg twice a day, and I can take

20mg in " emergencies " . I also take Soma for spasms, as well as

several " control " meds every day....Bextra for my back as well as

chronic full body tendonitis, and Topamax for chronic pain and as a

mood stabilizer. I also spend a LOT of time on my heating pad, and

I'm always packing ThermaCare wraps when I leave my house for long

periods. I'm also in a little bit of a battle with my doctor to get

him to prescribe Lidoderm patches so that I can get through a work

day without that pain.

Thursday was one of my really bad days. Not only were my muscles

and tendons hurting all over (I felt like Mike Tyson had used me for

his personal punching bag), and I was one big spasm, but my lower

back and SI joint were on fire. I couldn't sit, couldn't stand, and

I was stuck at work with no meds, no nothing. By the time I got

home, I just wanted to take my meds and crawl on the couch with my

heating pad. I took an Oxy and a Soma, and did just that. Four

hours later, I was still in the same shape. By the time I went to

bed at midnight, 8 hours after I'd gotten home, I'd taken 20mg of

Oxy, and 3 Somas, and I was JUST starting to get some relief.

It's now Saturday, and thanks to the fact that it's a holiday

weekend and I don't have to work, plus the fact that I've spent the

majority of my time on the couch with my trusty heating pad, things

are somewhat better. My lower back is still very sore, but most of

the tendon and muscle pain, and the spasms have calmed down.

I'm sorry if I made you feel you had to defend your pain....that

wasn't my intention. I have to defend mine on almost a daily

basis. I have Fibro, which a lot of people don't believe in, full

body tendonitis, a bulging disc, and SI joint dysfunction. I know

how lucky I am that I even have a doctor who will treat my pain at

all, much less treat it adequately. I've had doctors yell in my

face for taking the meds I'm taking, and people call me weak. My

own mother told me I was going to become an addict. All because I

choose not to live my life in agony. A damned antibiotic destroyed

my body, and left me to deal with the mess. I don't consider myself

very " fortunate " .

Jen

[Guest guest]

Cherie,

I didn't mean to leave anyone with the impression that 10mg once a

day gets rid of my pain! Goodness, I'd be jumping for joy if that

were the case! LOL! My dosage is 10mg twice a day, and I can take

20mg in " emergencies " . I also take Soma for spasms, as well as

several " control " meds every day....Bextra for my back as well as

chronic full body tendonitis, and Topamax for chronic pain and as a

mood stabilizer. I also spend a LOT of time on my heating pad, and

I'm always packing ThermaCare wraps when I leave my house for long

periods. I'm also in a little bit of a battle with my doctor to get

him to prescribe Lidoderm patches so that I can get through a work

day without that pain.

Thursday was one of my really bad days. Not only were my muscles

and tendons hurting all over (I felt like Mike Tyson had used me for

his personal punching bag), and I was one big spasm, but my lower

back and SI joint were on fire. I couldn't sit, couldn't stand, and

I was stuck at work with no meds, no nothing. By the time I got

home, I just wanted to take my meds and crawl on the couch with my

heating pad. I took an Oxy and a Soma, and did just that. Four

hours later, I was still in the same shape. By the time I went to

bed at midnight, 8 hours after I'd gotten home, I'd taken 20mg of

Oxy, and 3 Somas, and I was JUST starting to get some relief.

It's now Saturday, and thanks to the fact that it's a holiday

weekend and I don't have to work, plus the fact that I've spent the

majority of my time on the couch with my trusty heating pad, things

are somewhat better. My lower back is still very sore, but most of

the tendon and muscle pain, and the spasms have calmed down.

I'm sorry if I made you feel you had to defend your pain....that

wasn't my intention. I have to defend mine on almost a daily

basis. I have Fibro, which a lot of people don't believe in, full

body tendonitis, a bulging disc, and SI joint dysfunction. I know

how lucky I am that I even have a doctor who will treat my pain at

all, much less treat it adequately. I've had doctors yell in my

face for taking the meds I'm taking, and people call me weak. My

own mother told me I was going to become an addict. All because I

choose not to live my life in agony. A damned antibiotic destroyed

my body, and left me to deal with the mess. I don't consider myself

very " fortunate " .

Jen

[Guest guest]

Cherie,

I didn't mean to leave anyone with the impression that 10mg once a

day gets rid of my pain! Goodness, I'd be jumping for joy if that

were the case! LOL! My dosage is 10mg twice a day, and I can take

20mg in " emergencies " . I also take Soma for spasms, as well as

several " control " meds every day....Bextra for my back as well as

chronic full body tendonitis, and Topamax for chronic pain and as a

mood stabilizer. I also spend a LOT of time on my heating pad, and

I'm always packing ThermaCare wraps when I leave my house for long

periods. I'm also in a little bit of a battle with my doctor to get

him to prescribe Lidoderm patches so that I can get through a work

day without that pain.

Thursday was one of my really bad days. Not only were my muscles

and tendons hurting all over (I felt like Mike Tyson had used me for

his personal punching bag), and I was one big spasm, but my lower

back and SI joint were on fire. I couldn't sit, couldn't stand, and

I was stuck at work with no meds, no nothing. By the time I got

home, I just wanted to take my meds and crawl on the couch with my

heating pad. I took an Oxy and a Soma, and did just that. Four

hours later, I was still in the same shape. By the time I went to

bed at midnight, 8 hours after I'd gotten home, I'd taken 20mg of

Oxy, and 3 Somas, and I was JUST starting to get some relief.

It's now Saturday, and thanks to the fact that it's a holiday

weekend and I don't have to work, plus the fact that I've spent the

majority of my time on the couch with my trusty heating pad, things

are somewhat better. My lower back is still very sore, but most of

the tendon and muscle pain, and the spasms have calmed down.

I'm sorry if I made you feel you had to defend your pain....that

wasn't my intention. I have to defend mine on almost a daily

basis. I have Fibro, which a lot of people don't believe in, full

body tendonitis, a bulging disc, and SI joint dysfunction. I know

how lucky I am that I even have a doctor who will treat my pain at

all, much less treat it adequately. I've had doctors yell in my

face for taking the meds I'm taking, and people call me weak. My

own mother told me I was going to become an addict. All because I

choose not to live my life in agony. A damned antibiotic destroyed

my body, and left me to deal with the mess. I don't consider myself

very " fortunate " .

Jen