Re: Rabbi/Kim

[Guest guest]

Jana,

WOW! Now those were very powerful words coming from the rabbi! I would have

felt such a great sense of, well, I would have probably cried- You really

should send him the UBM book, this way next time he sees those sad eyes of a

child, and the wacko mother or father, he may take into account what so many of

us go through in life as children and again as adults.

Do you mind if I ask why you decided not to continue with Judaism? Though if

I were to answer the question if it were placed in my lap, it would probably

be because I JUST wouldn't be able to stand the memories.......That is why I

do not go to the CHURCH I was confirmed in....They saw what happened to me,

yet nobody did a damn thing, they all just listened to NADA go on and on about

her reject of a daughter- The church I went to shunned me out anyhow when I

was married and pregnant with a JEWISH man- That is a long story...I really

wish I could move out of the community that I have been in for so long, when I

walk out the door I know nada has talked crap about me to just about

everyone (I LIVE IN A SMALL suburban little town, I HATE IT)...

Kim

In a message dated 10/9/2004 8:58:35 AM Eastern Standard Time,

hellokitty435@... writes:

You know she had everyone very hoodwinked in that community. Devious. I went

up to him at my grandmother's yurtzeit. I said " I want you to know why I do

not prractice Judaism " he said " I think God loves you anyway " or something

like that. He's a nice guy. So I said " I was wondering if you knew that I was

abused as a child. It was my mother. She was mentally ill. " He said to me " I

always thought something was wrong, you were such a sad child, but I saw no

bruises, and had no proof " It was more of validation than I had expected from

anyone at the time, and I wont forget it. Maybe I'll send him a copy of UBM.-

jana

[Guest guest]

Dan,

That is very interesting and yes very true re:rabbi/no bruises et al...

I also just looked up the religion you practice and it was very interesting,

I love learning about other religions, very interesting to me =) So thanks

for sharing that piece of your life-

Yours,

Kim

In a message dated 10/9/2004 12:30:05 PM Eastern Standard Time,

danc19fr@... writes:

Jana, what your rabbi said gave me an idea. The rabbi couldn't

really intervene because he had no proof of abuse. Had he seen

bruises, he probably would have intervened.

If somebody had told him what was going on he might well have had

what he needed to intervene in some way.

So, we might be able to change a child's life if we know they are

suffering at the hands of a mentally ill parent, by talking frankly

about the problem with a clergyman. In my religion, the Baha'i

Faith, there is no clergy, but the elected Local Spiritual Assembly

is charged with those functions and could intervene in the same way.

- Dan

[Guest guest]

I could not agree more with you Dan! Interesting enough NADA has been

bashing the faith myself + my family now practices. Hey, I had to choose to be

with

my husband, and I didn't care where I prayed as long as we all did so

together as a family unit (for my sake and the sake of my children). Nada has

been

smashing me upside down in the past weeks regarding the fact that I have been

attending services at ourTemple (been doing this for 15 yrs now)...WHY all

of the sudden before her grandson becomes a Bar Mitzvah does she have to slam

dunk me? Ah, well jealousy, or perhaps she just wants me to be unhappy and

second guess any decisions that have been made....Her best friend is Jewish, SHE

wouldn't dare say such horrid things to her friend, her friend would drop

her in an instant....My nada does not even attend any type of church/or have a

religion. She has always told me, " If ever I start to lose my mind I want you

to kill me, and then I want you to give my body for others to use, after

just have my body burned (not sure the word for that one) and scatter my ashes

where you want. " OH MY GOSH WHY WHY WHY!!!!! She is alive, I am alive and live

for each day, not for the day I may go....I would never " kill " her, I really

do not want the responsibility for caring for her....Of course I am her only

" Daughter " so it just goes on and on. I tell her to knock it off when she

starts saying those things, I have asked her to simply make a will, and make

sure that she does it correctly. Of course at the moment, I have nothing to do

with her, I just do not need the stress- I wish she would find some sort of

faith, and stop hounding her friends with the " POOR ME " syndrome...

She has lost her daughter, her two only sisters and 1 niece + 2

nephews......She is alone, but she says she is so happy since she has such

marvelous

friends....

~Kim

In a message dated 10/9/2004 12:32:21 PM Eastern Standard Time,

danc19fr@... writes:

I think a lot of us need to find a religious home different from the

one our parents raised us in. It is a good thing that there is more

than one religion.

- Dan

[Guest guest]

Jana, what your rabbi said gave me an idea. The rabbi couldn't

really intervene because he had no proof of abuse. Had he seen

bruises, he probably would have intervened.

If somebody had told him what was going on he might well have had

what he needed to intervene in some way.

So, we might be able to change a child's life if we know they are

suffering at the hands of a mentally ill parent, by talking frankly

about the problem with a clergyman. In my religion, the Baha'i

Faith, there is no clergy, but the elected Local Spiritual Assembly

is charged with those functions and could intervene in the same way.

- Dan

[Guest guest]

I think a lot of us need to find a religious home different from the

one our parents raised us in. It is a good thing that there is more

than one religion.

- Dan