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> Hi! My grandson is 12 yrs. old, and lives with us. He has extreme

> fears and anxieties about sleeping alone. We talk about it, and look

> for ways to help him overcome his fears. So far, most nights he

> wants someone to sleep with him. Have any of you had to deal with

> this, and what did you do? Barbara

This is just my opinion...so, I could be completely off-track here.

However, my thoughts have always been " if the kid wants to sleep in the same

room with us...fine. " . My son, OCD/Tourette's, has always had trouble

sleeping by himself. He slept with me until he was almost 3 years old.

He's 12 now, and still occassionally needs the extra comfort. Now, we let

him sleep on the couch until we go to bed...or we let him grab his sleeping

bag and sleep on our bedroom floor.

Its SSOOOOOOOOOOOO much easier than trying to convince them to sleep in

their own rooms. Eventually, they will either grow out of it...or the

frequency will get further and further apart. Minor inconvenience...and so

much more comforting, I think, to let a kid know that you will be there when

they need him.

--Tina

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My son is 10 and has the same problem amongst many more! I sleep on a couch

in my sons room. ALWAYS. My husband and I both understand and agree that this

is the way it is right now. He truly is scared. You are not alone!

Beverly in CA

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My son is 10 and has the same problem amongst many more! I sleep on a couch

in my sons room. ALWAYS. My husband and I both understand and agree that this

is the way it is right now. He truly is scared. You are not alone!

Beverly in CA

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> My son is 10 and has the same problem amongst many more! I sleep on a

couch

> in my sons room. ALWAYS. My husband and I both understand and agree that

this

> is the way it is right now. He truly is scared. You are not alone!

That's really amazing...you and your husband both get gold stars, in my

book! I really believe that some children NEED (not want) that extra

re-assurance that someone is sleeping near them. I notice the more

re-assurance my son gets, the more willing he is to try it alone...and the

need to sleep by me gets less and less.

--Tina

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> My son is 10 and has the same problem amongst many more! I sleep on a

couch

> in my sons room. ALWAYS. My husband and I both understand and agree that

this

> is the way it is right now. He truly is scared. You are not alone!

That's really amazing...you and your husband both get gold stars, in my

book! I really believe that some children NEED (not want) that extra

re-assurance that someone is sleeping near them. I notice the more

re-assurance my son gets, the more willing he is to try it alone...and the

need to sleep by me gets less and less.

--Tina

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Talk about feeling like a horrible parent... My son is 12 years old and he

never goes to sleep before 11 or midnight...sometimes even 1 am. This, to

me, is crazy. My two daughters were always in bed no later than 9 pm.

simple isn't wired that way. He usually falls asleep to the tv (MY GOD!!!!

That goes against EVERYTHING I believe in, as a parent!!!).

As you said, trying to get him to go to bed at a decent hour is exhausting.

To anyone, except a parent of an OCD child, the answer would be " You just

have to be consistent. Make him go to bed. Don't give in to him. "

Yeah...I know. If only it were that simple.

Even my 18 year old daugher, who KNOWS and UNDERSTANDS 99% of what we go

through with and his OCD, told me today " You know, if you would make

go to bed earlier...he wouldn't be so difficult to get moving in the

morning. " Yeah, going to bed early will make him not have to tie his shoes

" JUST RIGHT " before he can leave...and so on, and so on, and so on.

I am extremely thankful that I found this group. You have no idea (well,

probably you do!) how much I need to know that is very normal...for

kids with OCD/Tourettes.

--Tina

> My 12 year old son has been falling asleep every night on the living room

> couch which turns into a bed for several months now. He has to put in a

> movie and watch something before he goes to sleep. I don't like the idea,

> but it is a solution for him. He can't sleep in his own room (which he

> shares with his older brother) because when he does, there are too many

> things which need to be 'arranged' and it takes too long when he is tired,

> and exhausts me also, since he wants me to help him once he has already

> washed his hands. I'm not sure why he doesn't need to arrange things in

the

> living room, but I'm glad for something. He used to do this, too, before

he

> began medication. We also have a difficult time getting him on a regular

> routine and I feel guilty leaving him awake while I go to sleep, but I can

> barely function as it is with the amount of sleep I end up getting. When

he

> has a bad dream or just wakes up in the middle of the night, he comes to

my

> room and falls asleep at the end of my bed. So basically, in answer to

your

> question, I feel it is important to makes things as easy and comfortable

for

> him as possible. And as others have said, hopefully he will grow out of

it

> sooner than later.

>

>

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My 12 year old son has been falling asleep every night on the living room

couch which turns into a bed for several months now. He has to put in a

movie and watch something before he goes to sleep. I don't like the idea,

but it is a solution for him. He can't sleep in his own room (which he

shares with his older brother) because when he does, there are too many

things which need to be 'arranged' and it takes too long when he is tired,

and exhausts me also, since he wants me to help him once he has already

washed his hands. I'm not sure why he doesn't need to arrange things in the

living room, but I'm glad for something. He used to do this, too, before he

began medication. We also have a difficult time getting him on a regular

routine and I feel guilty leaving him awake while I go to sleep, but I can

barely function as it is with the amount of sleep I end up getting. When he

has a bad dream or just wakes up in the middle of the night, he comes to my

room and falls asleep at the end of my bed. So basically, in answer to your

question, I feel it is important to makes things as easy and comfortable for

him as possible. And as others have said, hopefully he will grow out of it

sooner than later.

Lainey

bedtime fears

Hi! My grandson is 12 yrs. old, and lives with us. He has extreme

fears and anxieties about sleeping alone. We talk about it, and look

for ways to help him overcome his fears. So far, most nights he

wants someone to sleep with him. Have any of you had to deal with

this, and what did you do? Barbara

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Interesting poll! I was TERRIFIED of the dark as a kid, so I

definetly understand what Annie deals with. But I hated being so controlled by

that

fear - I sometimes was too scared to get up to run to my mom's room! I would

like to let Annie sleep with us, but I know that it would grow into a bigger

and bigger thing (no sleepovers, etc.) and she sees the fear as an OCD thing

that she wants to beat. If my son had the same issues, I think I'd react

differently - his problems resolve with time instead of mushrooming.

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The nighttime OCD fears made me go Hmmmmmm. My s14 yr. old son started OCD

behaviors years ago. We started Zoloft about 18 mos. ago because he had

nightmares about OCD germs and could not sleep. Then, for a while (several

months off and on) he would sleep in our room on our floor in a nest of pillows

and blankets. He said that he did that when he did not take a shower at night so

he could keep his bed clean.

Since that time with the Zoloft and therapy he has come a long way. Washes less

often and is able to go to some places which he thought were dirty before (like

downtown areas).

There is a " Hey Arnold " cartoon about a character Sid who develops a

contamination OCD when he touches a frog and hears about the warts, etc. Sid

does the obsessive cleaning wearing a space suit and he also has nightmares

about germs (like bugs) coming to get him. said he had those nightmares

before the Zoloft. Anyway, somehow the kids talk Sid out of the ocd --it's a

cartoon what do you expect?

Another cartoon, Dexter's Laboratory is about his Mom who wears rubber gloves

all the time and cleans obsessively. They take her gloves away for her birthday

to be able to treat her and let her rest. She imagines all the dirt around her

and freaks. They surprise her just in time with a new set of rubber gloves and

everyone is happy.

Interesting that someone who is developing cartoons is subtly showing the kids

someone they might recognize (themselves).

xslav@... wrote:

> I, too, will go against the grain here a bit. While I have no problem with

> kids sleeping with their parents if everyone is happy about it, in our

household

> it was definetly an OCD problem, and letting OCD win is never a win-win

> situation for us. My daughter is almost 11 and has had problems sleeping since

she

> was little. We have battled the bedroom scene for years. When she was three,

> we sat outside her door until she fell asleep, constantly reassuring her that

> we were still there (she wouldn't settle down if we were IN the room with

her).

> When she got hit with OCD at four, she started to sleepwalk every single

> night and we had to wait up until that was over to get any sleep. Then for a

few

> years we'd find her on our bedroom floor when we woke up. A couple of years

ago

> her therapist convinced her to try to move a bit down the hall toward her

> room gradually over the course of a few weeks. She was thrilled when she

finally

> managed to be comfortable in her own room. Whenever her OCD gets worse, we

> start finding her in the hall outside our room again, or on our floor in some

> unexpected place. This last week she decided she wanted to earn " OCD Bucks " by

> spending the night in her own bed, and doing other OCD-related things. She

> earned five " bucks " in a row (five nights in her own bed) and earned the

privilege

> of staying up late last night. She is proud as a peacock.

> In her case, she feels bad about herself when she can't do something

> that other kids her age do easily, and is always happy when she wins against

> her OCD. But it's a battle that returns again and again!!

>

>

>

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Don't forget the Rugrats' Chuckie...he's very OCD. One episode especially has

Chuckie freaking because the other kids are getting his toys out of their

" proper " arrangement. A lot of the episodes turn on Chuckie and his fears, with

the other kids encouraging him along. I've always wondered if Chuckie's OCD is

purposeful on the part of the writers. As you say, the problem is always solved

by the end of the half hour, but I like how the kids are accepting and helpful

rather than teasing.

Some of these cartoon portrayals have really made an impression on Kellen, with

the idea that OCD can't be that unusual if it's showing up in cartoons that

zillions of kids watch.

Kathy R. in Indiana

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There is a " Hey Arnold " cartoon about a character Sid who develops a

contamination OCD when he touches a frog and hears about the warts, etc. Sid

does the obsessive cleaning wearing a space suit and he also has nightmares

about germs (like bugs) coming to get him. said he had those nightmares

before the Zoloft. Anyway, somehow the kids talk Sid out of the ocd --it's a

cartoon what do you expect?

Another cartoon, Dexter's Laboratory is about his Mom who wears rubber gloves

all the time and cleans obsessively. They take her gloves away for her birthday

to be able to treat her and let her rest. She imagines all the dirt around her

and freaks. They surprise her just in time with a new set of rubber gloves and

everyone is happy.

Interesting that someone who is developing cartoons is subtly showing the kids

someone they might recognize (themselves).

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