Re: Basics of Cutler protocol

[Guest guest]

thank you so much!! this is so helful...i will get the book and read-- my son is copper toxix and low gluthione...thank you again -- this is so wonderful of you and thanks to all who responded...!

Subject: Basics of Cutler protocolTo: mb12 valtrex Date: Wednesday, May 28, 2008, 10:17 AM

There seems to be a lot of interest in Andy Cutler's protocol...To make it easier, here is a quick summary of how it works and where to find help. You should not use this information alone for chelating, but rather just to become familiar with the process.

Many list members have also shared great info about Cutler's redistribution concerns and dosing in the last 24 hours. If you haven't read the posts, do so. Also, consider joining the Autism-Mercury yahoo group and getting his books "Amalgam Illness" and "Hidden Hair Toxicities" for more information.

Here's the Cutler protocol and philosophy in a nutshell...If any other Cutler experts out there see something wrong, please chime in.

Use only those chemicals that are actual chelators... DMSA, DMPS and ALA. (Vit C, glutathione, saunas, and clay baths are NOT chelators).

Use them in the way they were designed to be taken...orally.

Don't use IV chelation.

Don't chelate anyone with metal fillings. Wait 6 months to chelate once they are safely removed.

Don't chelate when sick.

Dose very small doses frequently so that the body is not overwhelmed and so that there is a steady stream of chelator in the body at all times for 3 days on and 11 days off. This dosing limits the redistribution of metals.

DMPS gets dosed every 8 hours. Prescription only.

DMSA gets dosed every 4 hours. Available OTC. FDA approved.

ALA gets dosed every 3 hours. Available OTC. It is the only chelator proven to cross the blood brain barrier. ALA can be used alone for this reason, but is often used in combination with DMPS or DMSA.

Do NOT use ALA if your child is Copper toxic. ALA can retain copper. If child is high in copper, use DMSA only and supplement with zinc and molybdenum to normalize the copper levels. (More info in his book. I'm no copper expert, but people on the Autism-Mercury group seem to be!)

If combining the ALA and DMSA, dose every 3 hours in the day, and every 4 hours at night. You MUST get up in the middle of the night to do the dose.

Use 1/8 to 1/4 mg of chelator per pound of the patient. A 40 pound child would ideally use no more than 10mg per dose. (That would mean about 60 mg a day.) But, the smallest capsule available is 25mg, so most parents end up opening the capsule and mixing in half or 12.5 mg for practicality' s sake.

(We dose ALA and DMSA as follows...Friday 4pm, 7pm, 11pm, 3am, 7am, 10am, 1pm, 4pm...and all over again until 7 am Monday morning.)

If you miss a dose, STOP the round right there. A missed dose is any more than 15 minutes after scheduled dose.

Mix the chelators in juice for children who won't take pills, such as pineapple juice. (We have found that our child tolerates it better this way even though she can swallow pills.)

Friday through Monday is called a "round". You need to do 100 rounds or more. There will be great improvement in the first 20-30 rounds, then a long plateau, and then typically big gains again around round 60-80.

Bad side effects can happen if dose is too high. Those would include vommitting, excessive lethargy, or anything else extreme.

Normal side effects: tired, cranky, sweaty, yeast. Yeast is not a reason not to chelate.

You can do a round every weekend with only 4 days off, but most of us find that causes yeast, AND more than that, it makes you and your child very tired. It is more practical do take every 11 days off, but not necessary.

Use a good antifungal and probiotics.

Supplement both "on" and "off" a round.

Common supplements are:

Vitamin C

Zinc

Calcium

Magnesium

Molybdenum

Manganese

Mineral NO COPPER

Multivitamin

Flaxseed Oil

Probiotics

CoEnzyme Q10

Nystatin

B12

Finally, Andy strongly advises against the use of Glutathione, stating it cannot be uptaken because mercury is blocking it, and chelation will normalize glutathione levels. The Geiers have also confirmed this (I've asked them personally on 2 occassions) and recently so has Jim . In fact, just at Autism One Dr. showed that DMSA did indeed normalize glutathione levels alone. Andy says supplementary glutathione can make your child feel sick.

Again, this is Andy's information and protocol. Certainly other parents out there have found other methods of chelation to be helpful as well as the use of glutathione, saunas, and so forth. Research for yourself to see what you agree with and why.

------------ -- Original message ------------ -- From: Shanon <theshannster2@ yahoo.com>

Re:Cutler protocol. What is it and where to find it ? ALso, did your kids all test high for metals? My son did not.

[Guest guest]

Great job, , Just two additions, you can use 3 day rounds with just 3 days off. The only rule about this is to. give as many days off the round as on. And you can chelate if there is just a cold, but not a fever higher than 102. Mostly we left the Dmsa out of the round anytime ours had a cold as Dmsa lowers neutrophils needed to fight infections.

I credit Andy Cutler's protocol as the #1 reason why ours in is a regular public school with no aide. We have done various antiviral protocols but chelation was THE key to her lasting recovery.

Basics of Cutler protocol

There seems to be a lot of interest in Andy Cutler's protocol...To make it easier, here is a quick summary of how it works and where to find help. You should not use this information alone for chelating, but rather just to become familiar with the process.

Many list members have also shared great info about Cutler's redistribution concerns and dosing in the last 24 hours. If you haven't read the posts, do so. Also, consider joining the Autism-Mercury yahoo group and getting his books "Amalgam Illness" and "Hidden Hair Toxicities" for more information.

Here's the Cutler protocol and philosophy in a nutshell...If any other Cutler experts out there see something wrong, please chime in.

Use only those chemicals that are actual chelators...DMSA, DMPS and ALA. (Vit C, glutathione, saunas, and clay baths are NOT chelators).

Use them in the way they were designed to be taken...orally.

Don't use IV chelation.

Don't chelate anyone with metal fillings. Wait 6 months to chelate once they are safely removed.

Don't chelate when sick.

Dose very small doses frequently so that the body is not overwhelmed and so that there is a steady stream of chelator in the body at all times for 3 days on and 11 days off. This dosing limits the redistribution of metals.

DMPS gets dosed every 8 hours. Prescription only.

DMSA gets dosed every 4 hours. Available OTC. FDA approved.

ALA gets dosed every 3 hours. Available OTC. It is the only chelator proven to cross the blood brain barrier. ALA can be used alone for this reason, but is often used in combination with DMPS or DMSA.

Do NOT use ALA if your child is Copper toxic. ALA can retain copper. If child is high in copper, use DMSA only and supplement with zinc and molybdenum to normalize the copper levels. (More info in his book. I'm no copper expert, but people on the Autism-Mercury group seem to be!)

If combining the ALA and DMSA, dose every 3 hours in the day, and every 4 hours at night. You MUST get up in the middle of the night to do the dose.

Use 1/8 to 1/4 mg of chelator per pound of the patient. A 40 pound child would ideally use no more than 10mg per dose. (That would mean about 60 mg a day.) But, the smallest capsule available is 25mg, so most parents end up opening the capsule and mixing in half or 12.5 mg for practicality's sake.

(We dose ALA and DMSA as follows...Friday 4pm, 7pm, 11pm, 3am, 7am, 10am, 1pm, 4pm...and all over again until 7 am Monday morning.)

If you miss a dose, STOP the round right there. A missed dose is any more than 15 minutes after scheduled dose.

Mix the chelators in juice for children who won't take pills, such as pineapple juice. (We have found that our child tolerates it better this way even though she can swallow pills.)

Friday through Monday is called a "round". You need to do 100 rounds or more. There will be great improvement in the first 20-30 rounds, then a long plateau, and then typically big gains again around round 60-80.

Bad side effects can happen if dose is too high. Those would include vommitting, excessive lethargy, or anything else extreme.

Normal side effects: tired, cranky, sweaty, yeast. Yeast is not a reason not to chelate.

You can do a round every weekend with only 4 days off, but most of us find that causes yeast, AND more than that, it makes you and your child very tired. It is more practical do take every 11 days off, but not necessary.

Use a good antifungal and probiotics.

Supplement both "on" and "off" a round.

Common supplements are:

Vitamin C

Zinc

Calcium

Magnesium

Molybdenum

Manganese

Mineral NO COPPER

Multivitamin

Flaxseed Oil

Probiotics

CoEnzyme Q10

Nystatin

B12

Finally, Andy strongly advises against the use of Glutathione, stating it cannot be uptaken because mercury is blocking it, and chelation will normalize glutathione levels. The Geiers have also confirmed this (I've asked them personally on 2 occassions) and recently so has Jim . In fact, just at Autism One Dr. showed that DMSA did indeed normalize glutathione levels alone. Andy says supplementary glutathione can make your child feel sick.

Again, this is Andy's information and protocol. Certainly other parents out there have found other methods of chelation to be helpful as well as the use of glutathione, saunas, and so forth. Research for yourself to see what you agree with and why.

-------------- Original message -------------- From: Shanon <theshannster2>

Re:Cutler protocol. What is it and where to find it ? ALso, did your kids all test high for metals? My son did not.

[Guest guest]

Excellent summary .

The Rooney chelation paper also warns of the redistribution dangers of

NAC and Glutathione. Its better to supplement the precursors to

Glutathione.

The other thing to keep in mind is don't supplement Selenium while you

are chelating, but it is good to supplement it between rounds.

Cheers

julieobradovic@... wrote:

There seems to be a lot of interest in Andy Cutler's

protocol...To make it easier, here is a quick summary of how it works

and where to find help. You should not use this information alone for

chelating, but rather just to become familiar with the process.

Many list members have also shared great info about Cutler's

redistribution concerns and dosing in the last 24 hours. If you haven't

read the posts, do so. Also, consider joining the Autism-Mercury yahoo

group and getting his books "Amalgam Illness" and "Hidden Hair

Toxicities" for more information.

Here's the Cutler protocol and philosophy in a nutshell...If any

other Cutler experts out there see something wrong, please chime in.

Use only those chemicals that are actual chelators...DMSA,

DMPS and ALA. (Vit C, glutathione, saunas, and clay baths are NOT

chelators).

Use them in the way they were designed to be taken...orally.

Don't use IV chelation.

Don't chelate anyone with metal fillings. Wait 6 months to

chelate once they are safely removed.

Don't chelate when sick.

Dose very small doses frequently so that the body is not

overwhelmed and so that there is a steady stream of chelator in the

body at all times for 3 days on and 11 days off. This dosing limits the

redistribution of metals.

DMPS gets dosed every 8 hours. Prescription only.

DMSA gets dosed every 4 hours. Available OTC. FDA approved.

ALA gets dosed every 3 hours. Available OTC. It is the only

chelator proven to cross the blood brain barrier. ALA can be used alone

for this reason, but is often used in combination with DMPS or DMSA.

Do NOT use ALA if your child is Copper toxic. ALA can

retain copper. If child is high in copper, use DMSA only and

supplement with zinc and molybdenum to normalize the copper levels.

(More info in his book. I'm no copper expert, but people on the

Autism-Mercury group seem to be!)

If combining the ALA and DMSA, dose every 3 hours in the day,

and every 4 hours at night. You MUST get up in the middle of the night

to do the dose.

Use 1/8 to 1/4 mg of chelator per pound of the patient. A 40

pound child would ideally use no more than 10mg per dose. (That would

mean about 60 mg a day.) But, the smallest capsule available is 25mg,

so most parents end up opening the capsule and mixing in half or 12.5

mg for practicality's sake.

(We dose ALA and DMSA as follows...Friday 4pm, 7pm, 11pm, 3am,

7am, 10am, 1pm, 4pm...and all over again until 7 am Monday morning.)

If you miss a dose, STOP the round right there. A missed dose is

any more than 15 minutes after scheduled dose.

Mix the chelators in juice for children who won't take pills,

such as pineapple juice. (We have found that our child tolerates it

better this way even though she can swallow pills.)

Friday through Monday is called a "round". You need to do 100

rounds or more. There will be great improvement in the first 20-30

rounds, then a long plateau, and then typically big gains again around

round 60-80.

Bad side effects can happen if dose is too high. Those would

include vommitting, excessive lethargy, or anything else extreme.

Normal side effects: tired, cranky, sweaty, yeast. Yeast is not

a reason not to chelate.

You can do a round every weekend with only 4 days off, but most

of us find that causes yeast, AND more than that, it makes you and your

child very tired. It is more practical do take every 11 days off, but

not necessary.

Use a good antifungal and probiotics.

Supplement both "on" and "off" a round.

Common supplements are:

Vitamin C

Zinc

Calcium

Magnesium

Molybdenum

Manganese

Mineral NO COPPER

Multivitamin

Flaxseed Oil

Probiotics

CoEnzyme Q10

Nystatin

B12

Finally, Andy strongly advises against the use of Glutathione,

stating it cannot be uptaken because mercury is blocking it, and

chelation will normalize glutathione levels. The Geiers have also

confirmed this (I've asked them personally on 2 occassions) and

recently so has Jim . In fact, just at Autism One Dr. showed

that DMSA did indeed normalize glutathione levels alone. Andy says

supplementary glutathione can make your child feel sick.

Again, this is Andy's information and protocol. Certainly other

parents out there have found other methods of chelation to be helpful

as well as the use of glutathione, saunas, and so forth. Research for

yourself to see what you agree with and why.

--------------

Original message --------------

From: Shanon <theshannster2>

Re:Cutler protocol. What is it and where to find it ? ALso, did

your kids all test high for metals? My son did not.

[Guest guest]

Why don't you want to supplement with Selenium? I thought Selenium

helped protect the brain from mercury? So if there was any

redistribution wouldn't this help?

Thanks,

Patience

Reynolds wrote:

>

> Excellent summary .

>

> The Rooney chelation paper also warns of the redistribution dangers of

> NAC and Glutathione. Its better to supplement the precursors to

> Glutathione.

>

> The other thing to keep in mind is don't supplement Selenium while you

> are chelating, but it is good to supplement it between rounds.

>

> Cheers

>

>

>

> julieobradovic@... wrote:

>

>> There seems to be a lot of interest in Andy Cutler's protocol...To

>> make it easier, here is a quick summary of how it works and where to

>> find help. You should not use this information alone for chelating,

>> but rather just to become familiar with the process.

>>

>> Many list members have also shared great info about Cutler's

>> redistribution concerns and dosing in the last 24 hours. If you

>> haven't read the posts, do so. Also, consider joining the

>> Autism-Mercury yahoo group and getting his books " Amalgam Illness "

>> and " Hidden Hair Toxicities " for more information.

>>

>> Here's the Cutler protocol and philosophy in a nutshell...If any

>> other Cutler experts out there see something wrong, please chime in.

>>

>> Use only those chemicals that are actual chelators...DMSA, DMPS and

>> ALA. (Vit C, glutathione, saunas, and clay baths are NOT chelators).

>>

>> Use them in the way they were designed to be taken...orally.

>>

>> Don't use IV chelation.

>>

>> Don't chelate anyone with metal fillings. Wait 6 months to chelate

>> once they are safely removed.

>>

>> Don't chelate when sick.

>>

>> Dose very small doses frequently so that the body is not overwhelmed

>> and so that there is a steady stream of chelator in the body at all

>> times for 3 days on and 11 days off. This dosing limits the

>> redistribution of metals.

>>

>> DMPS gets dosed every 8 hours. Prescription only.

>>

>> DMSA gets dosed every 4 hours. Available OTC. FDA approved.

>>

>> ALA gets dosed every 3 hours. Available OTC. It is the only chelator

>> proven to cross the blood brain barrier. ALA can be used alone for

>> this reason, but is often used in combination with DMPS or DMSA.

>>

>> Do NOT use ALA if your child is Copper toxic. ALA can retain copper.

>> If child is high in copper, use DMSA only and supplement with zinc

>> and molybdenum to normalize the copper levels. (More info in his

>> book. I'm no copper expert, but people on the Autism-Mercury group

>> seem to be!)

>>

>> If combining the ALA and DMSA, dose every 3 hours in the day, and

>> every 4 hours at night. You MUST get up in the middle of the night to

>> do the dose.

>>

>> Use 1/8 to 1/4 mg of chelator per pound of the patient. A 40 pound

>> child would ideally use no more than 10mg per dose. (That would mean

>> about 60 mg a day.) But, the smallest capsule available is 25mg, so

>> most parents end up opening the capsule and mixing in half or 12.5 mg

>> for practicality's sake.

>>

>> (We dose ALA and DMSA as follows...Friday 4pm, 7pm, 11pm, 3am, 7am,

>> 10am, 1pm, 4pm...and all over again until 7 am Monday morning.)

>>

>> If you miss a dose, STOP the round right there. A missed dose is any

>> more than 15 minutes after scheduled dose.

>>

>> Mix the chelators in juice for children who won't take pills, such as

>> pineapple juice. (We have found that our child tolerates it better

>> this way even though she can swallow pills.)

>>

>> Friday through Monday is called a " round " . You need to do 100 rounds

>> or more. There will be great improvement in the first 20-30 rounds,

>> then a long plateau, and then typically big gains again around round

>> 60-80.

>>

>> Bad side effects can happen if dose is too high. Those would include

>> vommitting, excessive lethargy, or anything else extreme.

>>

>> Normal side effects: tired, cranky, sweaty, yeast. Yeast is not a

>> reason not to chelate.

>>

>> You can do a round every weekend with only 4 days off, but most of us

>> find that causes yeast, AND more than that, it makes you and your

>> child very tired. It is more practical do take every 11 days off, but

>> not necessary.

>>

>> Use a good antifungal and probiotics.

>>

>> Supplement both " on " and " off " a round.

>>

>> Common supplements are:

>>

>> Vitamin C

>> Zinc

>> Calcium

>> Magnesium

>> Molybdenum

>> Manganese

>> Mineral NO COPPER

>> Multivitamin

>> Flaxseed Oil

>> Probiotics

>> CoEnzyme Q10

>> Nystatin

>> B12

>>

>> Finally, Andy strongly advises against the use of Glutathione,

>> stating it cannot be uptaken because mercury is blocking it, and

>> chelation will normalize glutathione levels. The Geiers have also

>> confirmed this (I've asked them personally on 2 occassions) and

>> recently so has Jim . In fact, just at Autism One Dr.

>> showed that DMSA did indeed normalize glutathione levels alone. Andy

>> says supplementary glutathione can make your child feel sick.

>>

>> Again, this is Andy's information and protocol. Certainly other

>> parents out there have found other methods of chelation to be helpful

>> as well as the use of glutathione, saunas, and so forth. Research for

>> yourself to see what you agree with and why.

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>> -------------- Original message --------------

>>

>>

>> Re:Cutler protocol. What is it and where to find it ? ALso, did

>> your kids all test high for metals? My son did not.

>>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Selenium is recommended by Andy Cutler both off and ON round, we always supplemented with 200 mcgs per day, seleniumethionine. He does not recommend you chelate without it.

Re: Basics of Cutler protocol

Why don't you want to supplement with Selenium? I thought Selenium helped protect the brain from mercury? So if there was any redistribution wouldn't this help?Thanks,Patience Reynolds wrote:>> Excellent summary .>> The Rooney chelation paper also warns of the redistribution dangers of > NAC and Glutathione. Its better to supplement the precursors to > Glutathione.>> The other thing to keep in mind is don't supplement Selenium while you > are chelating, but it is good to supplement it between rounds.>> Cheers>> >> julieobradoviccomcast (DOT) net wrote:>>> There seems to be a lot of interest in Andy Cutler's protocol...To >> make it easier, here is a quick summary of how it works and where to >> find help. You should not use this information alone for chelating, >> but rather just to become familiar with the process.>> >> Many list members have also shared great info about Cutler's >> redistribution concerns and dosing in the last 24 hours. If you >> haven't read the posts, do so. Also, consider joining the >> Autism-Mercury yahoo group and getting his books "Amalgam Illness" >> and "Hidden Hair Toxicities" for more information.>> >> Here's the Cutler protocol and philosophy in a nutshell...If any >> other Cutler experts out there see something wrong, please chime in.>> >> Use only those chemicals that are actual chelators...DMSA, DMPS and >> ALA. (Vit C, glutathione, saunas, and clay baths are NOT chelators).>> >> Use them in the way they were designed to be taken...orally.>> >> Don't use IV chelation.>> >> Don't chelate anyone with metal fillings. Wait 6 months to chelate >> once they are safely removed.>> >> Don't chelate when sick.>> >> Dose very small doses frequently so that the body is not overwhelmed >> and so that there is a steady stream of chelator in the body at all >> times for 3 days on and 11 days off. This dosing limits the >> redistribution of metals.>> >> DMPS gets dosed every 8 hours. Prescription only.>> >> DMSA gets dosed every 4 hours. Available OTC. FDA approved.>> >> ALA gets dosed every 3 hours. Available OTC. It is the only chelator >> proven to cross the blood brain barrier. ALA can be used alone for >> this reason, but is often used in combination with DMPS or DMSA.>> >> Do NOT use ALA if your child is Copper toxic. ALA can retain copper. >> If child is high in copper, use DMSA only and supplement with zinc >> and molybdenum to normalize the copper levels. (More info in his >> book. I'm no copper expert, but people on the Autism-Mercury group >> seem to be!)>> >> If combining the ALA and DMSA, dose every 3 hours in the day, and >> every 4 hours at night. You MUST get up in the middle of the night to >> do the dose.>> >> Use 1/8 to 1/4 mg of chelator per pound of the patient. A 40 pound >> child would ideally use no more than 10mg per dose. (That would mean >> about 60 mg a day.) But, the smallest capsule available is 25mg, so >> most parents end up opening the capsule and mixing in half or 12.5 mg >> for practicality's sake.>> >> (We dose ALA and DMSA as follows...Friday 4pm, 7pm, 11pm, 3am, 7am, >> 10am, 1pm, 4pm...and all over again until 7 am Monday morning.)>> >> If you miss a dose, STOP the round right there. A missed dose is any >> more than 15 minutes after scheduled dose.>> >> Mix the chelators in juice for children who won't take pills, such as >> pineapple juice. (We have found that our child tolerates it better >> this way even though she can swallow pills.)>> >> Friday through Monday is called a "round". You need to do 100 rounds >> or more. There will be great improvement in the first 20-30 rounds, >> then a long plateau, and then typically big gains again around round >> 60-80.>> >> Bad side effects can happen if dose is too high. Those would include >> vommitting, excessive lethargy, or anything else extreme.>> >> Normal side effects: tired, cranky, sweaty, yeast. Yeast is not a >> reason not to chelate.>> >> You can do a round every weekend with only 4 days off, but most of us >> find that causes yeast, AND more than that, it makes you and your >> child very tired. It is more practical do take every 11 days off, but >> not necessary.>> >> Use a good antifungal and probiotics.>> >> Supplement both "on" and "off" a round.>> >> Common supplements are:>> >> Vitamin C>> Zinc>> Calcium>> Magnesium>> Molybdenum>> Manganese>> Mineral NO COPPER>> Multivitamin>> Flaxseed Oil>> Probiotics>> CoEnzyme Q10>> Nystatin>> B12>> >> Finally, Andy strongly advises against the use of Glutathione, >> stating it cannot be uptaken because mercury is blocking it, and >> chelation will normalize glutathione levels. The Geiers have also >> confirmed this (I've asked them personally on 2 occassions) and >> recently so has Jim . In fact, just at Autism One Dr. >> showed that DMSA did indeed normalize glutathione levels alone. Andy >> says supplementary glutathione can make your child feel sick.>> >> Again, this is Andy's information and protocol. Certainly other >> parents out there have found other methods of chelation to be helpful >> as well as the use of glutathione, saunas, and so forth. Research for >> yourself to see what you agree with and why.>> >> >> >> >> >>>> -------------- Original message -------------->> From: Shanon <theshannster2>>>>> Re:Cutler protocol. What is it and where to find it ? ALso, did>> your kids all test high for metals? My son did not.>>>>

[Guest guest]

You DO want to supplement Selenium, but not at the same time you are

chelating.

From Rooney:

However, it has been observed in rats that simultane-

ous administration of selenium (in the form of sodium

selenite) and a chelating agent (DMSA or DMPS) leads

to reduced excretion and considerable redistribution of

mercury - specifically a reduction of kidney mercury and

an increase in liver concentrations although it should

be noted other organs were not examined in this study

(Juresa et al., 2005). Since the chelators used (DMSA

and DMPS) act to increase urinary excretion of mer-

cury and since selenoprotein-P seems to prevent uptake

of mercury by the kidneys, Juresa et al. (2005) pro-

posed that ligand competition between the chelators and

selenoprotein-P led to the redistribution of mercury and

decreased urinary excretion.

Andy points out that the Juresa et al 2005 study was on rats not humans.

But until I see a study on humans that confirms simultaneous

adminstration of selenium and DMSA or DMPS does NOT lead to reduced

excretion, I'm playing it safe.

We do supplement Selenium, just not on chelation days.

Cheers

Patience Warnick wrote:

Why don't you want to supplement with Selenium? I thought Selenium

helped protect the brain from mercury? So if there was any

redistribution wouldn't this help?

Thanks,

Patience

Reynolds wrote:

>

> Excellent summary .

>

> The Rooney chelation paper also warns of the redistribution

dangers of

> NAC and Glutathione. Its better to supplement the precursors to

> Glutathione.

>

> The other thing to keep in mind is don't supplement Selenium while

you

> are chelating, but it is good to supplement it between rounds.

>

> Cheers

>

>

>

> julieobradoviccomcast (DOT) net

wrote:

>

>> There seems to be a lot of interest in Andy Cutler's

protocol...To

>> make it easier, here is a quick summary of how it works and

where to

>> find help. You should not use this information alone for

chelating,

>> but rather just to become familiar with the process.

>>

>> Many list members have also shared great info about Cutler's

>> redistribution concerns and dosing in the last 24 hours. If

you

>> haven't read the posts, do so. Also, consider joining the

>> Autism-Mercury yahoo group and getting his books "Amalgam

Illness"

>> and "Hidden Hair Toxicities" for more information.

>>

>> Here's the Cutler protocol and philosophy in a nutshell...If

any

>> other Cutler experts out there see something wrong, please

chime in.

>>

>> Use only those chemicals that are actual chelators...DMSA,

DMPS and

>> ALA. (Vit C, glutathione, saunas, and clay baths are NOT

chelators).

>>

>> Use them in the way they were designed to be taken...orally.

>>

>> Don't use IV chelation.

>>

>> Don't chelate anyone with metal fillings. Wait 6 months to

chelate

>> once they are safely removed.

>>

>> Don't chelate when sick.

>>

>> Dose very small doses frequently so that the body is not

overwhelmed

>> and so that there is a steady stream of chelator in the body

at all

>> times for 3 days on and 11 days off. This dosing limits the

>> redistribution of metals.

>>

>> DMPS gets dosed every 8 hours. Prescription only.

>>

>> DMSA gets dosed every 4 hours. Available OTC. FDA approved.

>>

>> ALA gets dosed every 3 hours. Available OTC. It is the only

chelator

>> proven to cross the blood brain barrier. ALA can be used alone

for

>> this reason, but is often used in combination with DMPS or

DMSA.

>>

>> Do NOT use ALA if your child is Copper toxic. ALA can retain

copper.

>> If child is high in copper, use DMSA only and supplement with

zinc

>> and molybdenum to normalize the copper levels. (More info in

his

>> book. I'm no copper expert, but people on the Autism-Mercury

group

>> seem to be!)

>>

>> If combining the ALA and DMSA, dose every 3 hours in the day,

and

>> every 4 hours at night. You MUST get up in the middle of the

night to

>> do the dose.

>>

>> Use 1/8 to 1/4 mg of chelator per pound of the patient. A 40

pound

>> child would ideally use no more than 10mg per dose. (That

would mean

>> about 60 mg a day.) But, the smallest capsule available is

25mg, so

>> most parents end up opening the capsule and mixing in half or

12.5 mg

>> for practicality's sake.

>>

>> (We dose ALA and DMSA as follows...Friday 4pm, 7pm, 11pm, 3am,

7am,

>> 10am, 1pm, 4pm...and all over again until 7 am Monday morning.)

>>

>> If you miss a dose, STOP the round right there. A missed dose

is any

>> more than 15 minutes after scheduled dose.

>>

>> Mix the chelators in juice for children who won't take pills,

such as

>> pineapple juice. (We have found that our child tolerates it

better

>> this way even though she can swallow pills.)

>>

>> Friday through Monday is called a "round". You need to do 100

rounds

>> or more. There will be great improvement in the first 20-30

rounds,

>> then a long plateau, and then typically big gains again around

round

>> 60-80.

>>

>> Bad side effects can happen if dose is too high. Those would

include

>> vommitting, excessive lethargy, or anything else extreme.

>>

>> Normal side effects: tired, cranky, sweaty, yeast. Yeast is

not a

>> reason not to chelate.

>>

>> You can do a round every weekend with only 4 days off, but

most of us

>> find that causes yeast, AND more than that, it makes you and

your

>> child very tired. It is more practical do take every 11 days

off, but

>> not necessary.

>>

>> Use a good antifungal and probiotics.

>>

>> Supplement both "on" and "off" a round.

>>

>> Common supplements are:

>>

>> Vitamin C

>> Zinc

>> Calcium

>> Magnesium

>> Molybdenum

>> Manganese

>> Mineral NO COPPER

>> Multivitamin

>> Flaxseed Oil

>> Probiotics

>> CoEnzyme Q10

>> Nystatin

>> B12

>>

>> Finally, Andy strongly advises against the use of Glutathione,

>> stating it cannot be uptaken because mercury is blocking it,

and

>> chelation will normalize glutathione levels. The Geiers have

also

>> confirmed this (I've asked them personally on 2 occassions)

and

>> recently so has Jim . In fact, just at Autism One Dr.

>> showed that DMSA did indeed normalize glutathione levels

alone. Andy

>> says supplementary glutathione can make your child feel sick.

>>

>> Again, this is Andy's information and protocol. Certainly

other

>> parents out there have found other methods of chelation to be

helpful

>> as well as the use of glutathione, saunas, and so forth.

Research for

>> yourself to see what you agree with and why.

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>> -------------- Original message --------------

>> From: Shanon <theshannster2>

>>

>> Re:Cutler protocol. What is it and where to find it ? ALso, did

>> your kids all test high for metals? My son did not.

>>

>

>

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Re: Basics of Cutler protocol

Why don't you want to supplement with Selenium? I thought Selenium helped protect the brain from mercury? So if there was any redistribution wouldn't this help?Thanks,Patience Reynolds wrote:>> Excellent summary .>> The Rooney chelation paper also warns of the redistribution dangers of > NAC and Glutathione. Its better to supplement the precursors to > Glutathione.>> The other thing to keep in mind is don't supplement Selenium while you > are chelating, but it is good to supplement it between rounds.>> Cheers>> >> julieobradoviccomcast (DOT) net wrote:>>> There seems to be a lot of interest in Andy Cutler's protocol...To >> make it easier, here is a quick summary of how it works and where to >> find help. You should not use this information alone for chelating, >> but rather just to become familiar with the process.>> >> Many list members have also shared great info about Cutler's >> redistribution concerns and dosing in the last 24 hours. If you >> haven't read the posts, do so. Also, consider joining the >> Autism-Mercury yahoo group and getting his books "Amalgam Illness" >> and "Hidden Hair Toxicities" for more information.>> >> Here's the Cutler protocol and philosophy in a nutshell...If any >> other Cutler experts out there see something wrong, please chime in.>> >> Use only those chemicals that are actual chelators...DMSA, DMPS and >> ALA. (Vit C, glutathione, saunas, and clay baths are NOT chelators).>> >> Use them in the way they were designed to be taken...orally.>> >> Don't use IV chelation.>> >> Don't chelate anyone with metal fillings. Wait 6 months to chelate >> once they are safely removed.>> >> Don't chelate when sick.>> >> Dose very small doses frequently so that the body is not overwhelmed >> and so that there is a steady stream of chelator in the body at all >> times for 3 days on and 11 days off. This dosing limits the >> redistribution of metals.>> >> DMPS gets dosed every 8 hours. Prescription only.>> >> DMSA gets dosed every 4 hours. Available OTC. FDA approved.>> >> ALA gets dosed every 3 hours. Available OTC. It is the only chelator >> proven to cross the blood brain barrier. ALA can be used alone for >> this reason, but is often used in combination with DMPS or DMSA.>> >> Do NOT use ALA if your child is Copper toxic. ALA can retain copper. >> If child is high in copper, use DMSA only and supplement with zinc >> and molybdenum to normalize the copper levels. (More info in his >> book. I'm no copper expert, but people on the Autism-Mercury group >> seem to be!)>> >> If combining the ALA and DMSA, dose every 3 hours in the day, and >> every 4 hours at night. You MUST get up in the middle of the night to >> do the dose.>> >> Use 1/8 to 1/4 mg of chelator per pound of the patient. A 40 pound >> child would ideally use no more than 10mg per dose. (That would mean >> about 60 mg a day.) But, the smallest capsule available is 25mg, so >> most parents end up opening the capsule and mixing in half or 12.5 mg >> for practicality's sake.>> >> (We dose ALA and DMSA as follows...Friday 4pm, 7pm, 11pm, 3am, 7am, >> 10am, 1pm, 4pm...and all over again until 7 am Monday morning.)>> >> If you miss a dose, STOP the round right there. A missed dose is any >> more than 15 minutes after scheduled dose.>> >> Mix the chelators in juice for children who won't take pills, such as >> pineapple juice. (We have found that our child tolerates it better >> this way even though she can swallow pills.)>> >> Friday through Monday is called a "round". You need to do 100 rounds >> or more. There will be great improvement in the first 20-30 rounds, >> then a long plateau, and then typically big gains again around round >> 60-80.>> >> Bad side effects can happen if dose is too high. Those would include >> vommitting, excessive lethargy, or anything else extreme.>> >> Normal side effects: tired, cranky, sweaty, yeast. Yeast is not a >> reason not to chelate.>> >> You can do a round every weekend with only 4 days off, but most of us >> find that causes yeast, AND more than that, it makes you and your >> child very tired. It is more practical do take every 11 days off, but >> not necessary.>> >> Use a good antifungal and probiotics.>> >> Supplement both "on" and "off" a round.>> >> Common supplements are:>> >> Vitamin C>> Zinc>> Calcium>> Magnesium>> Molybdenum>> Manganese>> Mineral NO COPPER>> Multivitamin>> Flaxseed Oil>> Probiotics>> CoEnzyme Q10>> Nystatin>> B12>> >> Finally, Andy strongly advises against the use of Glutathione, >> stating it cannot be uptaken because mercury is blocking it, and >> chelation will normalize glutathione levels. The Geiers have also >> confirmed this (I've asked them personally on 2 occassions) and >> recently so has Jim . In fact, just at Autism One Dr. >> showed that DMSA did indeed normalize glutathione levels alone. Andy >> says supplementary glutathione can make your child feel sick.>> >> Again, this is Andy's information and protocol. Certainly other >> parents out there have found other methods of chelation to be helpful >> as well as the use of glutathione, saunas, and so forth. Research for >> yourself to see what you agree with and why.>> >> >> >> >> >>>> -------------- Original message -------------->> From: Shanon <theshannster2>>>>> Re:Cutler protocol. What is it and where to find it ? ALso, did>> your kids all test high for metals? My son did not.>>>>

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> selenium mops up floating mercury so it can't reconnect to other

organs

Please note on item 7.3 of Rooney's article that he mentions how

complex this all is, and then warns that selenium in certain forms

might contribute to redistribution of mercury.

In item 9, he states that " ... selenium with DMSA or DMPS leads to

reduced effectiveness of the chelators " .

http://tinyurl.com/4whupc

This is amazingly complex as top researchers aren't certain of

what's going on.

On a very encouraging note, Rooney, on the next page, discusses the

Hg protective and excretory capacities of dietary fiber and apple

pectin, including fiber's potential role in reducing brain storage.

Bob.

[Guest guest]

Bob gets it. Nice summary.

There's still a lot that needs to be researched further when it comes

to biochemistry.

bobmorgan108 wrote:

> selenium mops up floating mercury so it can't reconnect to other

organs

Please note on item 7.3 of Rooney's article that he mentions how

complex this all is, and then warns that selenium in certain forms

might contribute to redistribution of mercury.

In item 9, he states that " ... selenium with DMSA or DMPS leads to

reduced effectiveness of the chelators".

http://tinyurl.com/4whupc

This is amazingly complex as top researchers aren't certain of

what's going on.

On a very encouraging note, Rooney, on the next page, discusses the

Hg protective and excretory capacities of dietary fiber and apple

pectin, including fiber's potential role in reducing brain storage.

Bob.

[Guest guest]

Bob gets it. Nice summary.

There's still a lot that needs to be researched further when it comes

to biochemistry.

bobmorgan108 wrote:

> selenium mops up floating mercury so it can't reconnect to other

organs

Please note on item 7.3 of Rooney's article that he mentions how

complex this all is, and then warns that selenium in certain forms

might contribute to redistribution of mercury.

In item 9, he states that " ... selenium with DMSA or DMPS leads to

reduced effectiveness of the chelators".

http://tinyurl.com/4whupc

This is amazingly complex as top researchers aren't certain of

what's going on.

On a very encouraging note, Rooney, on the next page, discusses the

Hg protective and excretory capacities of dietary fiber and apple

pectin, including fiber's potential role in reducing brain storage.

Bob.

[Guest guest]

Thank you for all the info. To this point, I haven't gotten to that

point in my research yet, so this quick summary came in handy. I have

one question...how toxic are the kids who require chelation? We did

the porphyrin test from France and 's abnormal results were:

UROPORPHYRIN: 26 nmol...normal range 8-20

PRECOPROPORPHYRIN 12nmol...normal range 5-9

In the interpretation, it said " evidence of mercury toxicity is

discreet. " thought that was pretty good, his DAN! said the same, but

" maybe a little glutathione down the road " . Now I'm reading that that

isn't suggested in the Cutler protocol.

His Metabolic Acid Profile from Genova Diagnostics revealed 7 (scale

1-10) in his need for Glutathione.

Any opinions?

Thanks.

Kari

>

> There seems to be a lot of interest in Andy Cutler's protocol...To

make it easier, here is a quick summary of how it works and where to

find help. You should not use this information alone for chelating,

but rather just to become familiar with the process.

>

> Many list members have also shared great info about Cutler's

redistribution concerns and dosing in the last 24 hours. If you

haven't read the posts, do so. Also, consider joining the

Autism-Mercury yahoo group and getting his books " Amalgam Illness " and

" Hidden Hair Toxicities " for more information.

>

> Here's the Cutler protocol and philosophy in a nutshell...If any

other Cutler experts out there see something wrong, please chime in.

>

> Use only those chemicals that are actual chelators...DMSA, DMPS and

ALA. (Vit C, glutathione, saunas, and clay baths are NOT chelators).

>

> Use them in the way they were designed to be taken...orally.

>

> Don't use IV chelation.

>

> Don't chelate anyone with metal fillings. Wait 6 months to chelate

once they are safely removed.

>

> Don't chelate when sick.

>

> Dose very small doses frequently so that the body is not overwhelmed

and so that there is a steady stream of chelator in the body at all

times for 3 days on and 11 days off. This dosing limits the

redistribution of metals.

>

> DMPS gets dosed every 8 hours. Prescription only.

>

> DMSA gets dosed every 4 hours. Available OTC. FDA approved.

>

> ALA gets dosed every 3 hours. Available OTC. It is the only chelator

proven to cross the blood brain barrier. ALA can be used alone for

this reason, but is often used in combination with DMPS or DMSA.

>

> Do NOT use ALA if your child is Copper toxic. ALA can retain copper.

If child is high in copper, use DMSA only and supplement with zinc and

molybdenum to normalize the copper levels. (More info in his book. I'm

no copper expert, but people on the Autism-Mercury group seem to be!)

>

> If combining the ALA and DMSA, dose every 3 hours in the day, and

every 4 hours at night. You MUST get up in the middle of the night to

do the dose.

>

> Use 1/8 to 1/4 mg of chelator per pound of the patient. A 40 pound

child would ideally use no more than 10mg per dose. (That would mean

about 60 mg a day.) But, the smallest capsule available is 25mg, so

most parents end up opening the capsule and mixing in half or 12.5 mg

for practicality's sake.

>

> (We dose ALA and DMSA as follows...Friday 4pm, 7pm, 11pm, 3am, 7am,

10am, 1pm, 4pm...and all over again until 7 am Monday morning.)

>

> If you miss a dose, STOP the round right there. A missed dose is any

more than 15 minutes after scheduled dose.

>

> Mix the chelators in juice for children who won't take pills, such

as pineapple juice. (We have found that our child tolerates it better

this way even though she can swallow pills.)

>

> Friday through Monday is called a " round " . You need to do 100 rounds

or more. There will be great improvement in the first 20-30 rounds,

then a long plateau, and then typically big gains again around round

60-80.

>

> Bad side effects can happen if dose is too high. Those would include

vommitting, excessive lethargy, or anything else extreme.

>

> Normal side effects: tired, cranky, sweaty, yeast. Yeast is not a

reason not to chelate.

>

> You can do a round every weekend with only 4 days off, but most of

us find that causes yeast, AND more than that, it makes you and your

child very tired. It is more practical do take every 11 days off, but

not necessary.

>

> Use a good antifungal and probiotics.

>

> Supplement both " on " and " off " a round.

>

> Common supplements are:

>

> Vitamin C

> Zinc

> Calcium

> Magnesium

> Molybdenum

> Manganese

> Mineral NO COPPER

> Multivitamin

> Flaxseed Oil

> Probiotics

> CoEnzyme Q10

> Nystatin

> B12

>

> Finally, Andy strongly advises against the use of Glutathione,

stating it cannot be uptaken because mercury is blocking it, and

chelation will normalize glutathione levels. The Geiers have also

confirmed this (I've asked them personally on 2 occassions) and

recently so has Jim . In fact, just at Autism One Dr.

showed that DMSA did indeed normalize glutathione levels alone. Andy

says supplementary glutathione can make your child feel sick.

>

> Again, this is Andy's information and protocol. Certainly other

parents out there have found other methods of chelation to be helpful

as well as the use of glutathione, saunas, and so forth. Research for

yourself to see what you agree with and why.

>

>

>

>

>

> -------------- Original message --------------

>

> Re:Cutler protocol. What is it and where to find it ? ALso, did your

kids all test high for metals? My son did not.

>

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Admittedly, I don't know much about porphyrin tests and what is good or bad for a reading.

But, the fact that he is toxic, even slightly, bothers me.

I would also do a hair test from Direct Labs (Doctor's Data) called the Hair Elements test. It's about $90 and the results will show liklihood of mercury toxicity by means of finding derranged mineral transport (a condition mercury causes). Basically, only mercury causes that condition, and 5 patterns of hair problems show up when someone has it. If you go that route, post the results to the Autism-Mercury group who can read the test for you, or buy Andy's book Hidden Hair Toxicities to interpret the results yourself.

If the hair test is suspicious and/or confirms toxicity (coupled with the porphyrin test), that warrants chelation. Glutathione is not a chelator.

-------------- Original message --------------

Thank you for all the info. To this point, I haven't gotten to thatpoint in my research yet, so this quick summary came in handy. I haveone question...how toxic are the kids who require chelation? We didthe porphyrin test from France and 's abnormal results were:UROPORPHYRIN: 26 nmol...normal range 8-20PRECOPROPORPHYRIN 12nmol...normal range 5-9In the interpretation, it said "evidence of mercury toxicity isdiscreet." thought that was pretty good, his DAN! said the same, but"maybe a little glutathione down the road". Now I'm reading that thatisn't suggested in the Cutler protocol.His Metabolic Acid Profile from Genova Diagnostics revealed 7 (scale1-10) in his need for Glutathione.Any opinions?Thanks.Kari>> There seems to be a lot of interest in Andy Cutler's protocol...Tomake it easier, here is a quick summary of how it works and where tofind help. You should not use this information alone for chelating,but rather just to become familiar with the process.> > Many list members have also shared great info about Cutler'sredistribution concerns and dosing in the last 24 hours. If youhaven't read the posts, do so. Also, consider joining theAutism-Mercury yahoo group and getting his books "Amalgam Illness" and"Hidden Hair Toxicities" for more information. > > Here's the Cutler protocol and philosophy in a nutshell...If anyother Cutler experts out there see something wrong, please chime in.> > Use only those chemicals that are actual chelators...DMSA, DMPS andALA. (Vit C, glutathione, saunas, and clay baths are NOT chelators).> > Use them in the way they were designed to be taken...orally.> > Don't use IV chelation.> > Don't chelate anyone with metal fillings. Wait 6 months to chelateonce they are safely removed.> > Don't chelate when sick.> > Dose very small doses frequently so that the body is not overwhelmedand so that there is a steady stream of chelator in the body at alltimes for 3 days on and 11 days off. This dosing limits theredistribution of metals.> > DMPS gets dosed every 8 hours. Prescription only.> > DMSA gets dosed every 4 hours. Available OTC. FDA approved.> > ALA gets dosed every 3 hours. Available OTC. It is the only chelatorproven to cross the blood brain barrier. ALA can be used alone forthis reason, but is often used in combination with DMPS or DMSA. > > Do NOT use ALA if your child is Copper toxic. ALA can retain copper.If child is high in copper, use DMSA only and supplement with zinc andmolybdenum to normalize the copper levels. (More info in his book. I'mno copper expert, but people on the Autism-Mercury group seem to be!)> > If combining the ALA and DMSA, dose every 3 hours in the day, andevery 4 hours at night. You MUST get up in the middle of the night todo the dose.> > Use 1/8 to 1/4 mg of chelator per pound of the patient. A 40 poundchild would ideally use no more than 10mg per dose. (That would meanabout 60 mg a day.) But, the smallest capsule available is 25mg, somost parents end up opening the capsule and mixing in half or 12.5 mgfor practicality's sake.> > (We dose ALA and DMSA as follows...Friday 4pm, 7pm, 11pm, 3am, 7am,10am, 1pm, 4pm...and all over again until 7 am Monday morning.)> > If you miss a dose, STOP the round right there. A missed dose is anymore than 15 minutes after scheduled dose.> > Mix the chelators in juice for children who won't take pills, suchas pineapple juice. (We have found that our child

tolerates it betterthis way even though she can swallow pills.)> > Friday through Monday is called a "round". You need to do 100 roundsor more. There will be great improvement in the first 20-30 rounds,then a long plateau, and then typically big gains again around round60-80. > > Bad side effects can happen if dose is too high. Those would includevommitting, excessive lethargy, or anything else extreme.> > Normal side effects: tired, cranky, sweaty, yeast. Yeast is not areason not to chelate.> > You can do a round every weekend with only 4 days off, but most ofus find that causes yeast, AND more than that, it makes you and yourchild very tired. It is more practical do take every 11 days off, butnot necessary.> > Use a good antifungal and probiotics.> > Supplement both "on" and "off" a round. > > Common supplements are:> > Vitamin C > Zinc > Calcium> Magnesium > Molybdenum > Manganese> Mineral NO COPPER > Multivitamin > Flaxseed Oil> Probiotics> CoEnzyme Q10> Nystatin> B12 > > Finally, Andy strongly advises against the use of Glutathione,stating it cannot be uptaken because mercury is blocking it, andchelation will normalize glutathione levels. The Geiers have alsoconfirmed this (I've asked them personally on 2 occassions) andrecently so has Jim . In fact, just at Autism One Dr. showed that DMSA did indeed normalize glutathione levels alone. Andysays supplementary glutathione can make your child feel sick.> > Again, this is Andy's information and protocol. Certainly otherparents out there have found other methods of chelation to be helpfulas well as the use of glutathione, saunas, and so forth. Research foryourself to see what you agree with and why. &gt

; > > > > > -------------- Original message -------------- > > Re:Cutler protocol. What is it and where to find it ? ALso, did yourkids all test high for metals? My son did not.>

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Hi Juliie:Just to be sure, we must mix DMSA AND ALA, and give them together?Please explain me how to dose both.Thanks so muchSubject: Re: Re: Basics of Cutler protocolTo: mb12 valtrex Date: Thursday, May 29, 2008, 1:45 AM

Admittedly, I don't know much about porphyrin tests and what is good or bad for a reading.

But, the fact that he is toxic, even slightly, bothers me.

I would also do a hair test from Direct Labs (Doctor's Data) called the Hair Elements test. It's about $90 and the results will show liklihood of mercury toxicity by means of finding derranged mineral transport (a condition mercury causes). Basically, only mercury causes that condition, and 5 patterns of hair problems show up when someone has it. If you go that route, post the results to the Autism-Mercury group who can read the test for you, or buy Andy's book Hidden Hair Toxicities to interpret the results yourself.

If the hair test is suspicious and/or confirms toxicity (coupled with the porphyrin test), that warrants chelation. Glutathione is not a chelator.

------------ -- Original message ------------ -- From: "karicreehan" <karicreehan@ yahoo.com>

Thank you for all the info. To this point, I haven't gotten to thatpoint in my research yet, so this quick summary came in handy. I haveone question...how toxic are the kids who require chelation? We didthe porphyrin test from France and 's abnormal results were:UROPORPHYRIN: 26 nmol...normal range 8-20PRECOPROPORPHYRIN 12nmol...normal range 5-9In the interpretation, it said "evidence of mercury toxicity isdiscreet." thought that was pretty good, his DAN! said the same, but"maybe a little glutathione down the road". Now I'm reading that thatisn't suggested in the Cutler protocol.His Metabolic Acid Profile from Genova Diagnostics revealed 7 (scale1-10) in his need for Glutathione.Any opinions?Thanks.Kari>> There

seems to be a lot of interest in Andy Cutler's protocol...Tomake it easier, here is a quick summary of how it works and where tofind help. You should not use this information alone for chelating,but rather just to become familiar with the process.> > Many list members have also shared great info about Cutler'sredistribution concerns and dosing in the last 24 hours. If youhaven't read the posts, do so. Also, consider joining theAutism-Mercury yahoo group and getting his books "Amalgam Illness" and"Hidden Hair Toxicities" for more information. > > Here's the Cutler protocol and philosophy in a nutshell...If anyother Cutler experts out there see something wrong, please chime in.> > Use only those chemicals that are actual chelators... DMSA, DMPS andALA. (Vit C, glutathione, saunas, and clay baths are NOT chelators).> > Use them in the way they were designed to be taken...orally.> > Don't use IV

chelation.> > Don't chelate anyone with metal fillings. Wait 6 months to chelateonce they are safely removed.> > Don't chelate when sick.> > Dose very small doses frequently so that the body is not overwhelmedand so that there is a steady stream of chelator in the body at alltimes for 3 days on and 11 days off. This dosing limits theredistribution of metals.> > DMPS gets dosed every 8 hours. Prescription only.> > DMSA gets dosed every 4 hours. Available OTC. FDA approved.> > ALA gets dosed every 3 hours. Available OTC. It is the only chelatorproven to cross the blood brain barrier. ALA can be used alone forthis reason, but is often used in combination with DMPS or DMSA. > > Do NOT use ALA if your child is Copper toxic. ALA can retain copper.If child is high in copper, use DMSA only and supplement with zinc andmolybdenum to normalize the copper levels.

(More info in his book. I'mno copper expert, but people on the Autism-Mercury group seem to be!)> > If combining the ALA and DMSA, dose every 3 hours in the day, andevery 4 hours at night. You MUST get up in the middle of the night todo the dose.> > Use 1/8 to 1/4 mg of chelator per pound of the patient. A 40 poundchild would ideally use no more than 10mg per dose. (That would meanabout 60 mg a day..) But, the smallest capsule available is 25mg, somost parents end up opening the capsule and mixing in half or 12.5 mgfor practicality' s sake.> > (We dose ALA and DMSA as follows...Friday 4pm, 7pm, 11pm, 3am, 7am,10am, 1pm, 4pm...and all over again until 7 am Monday morning.)> > If you miss a dose, STOP the round right there. A missed dose is anymore than 15 minutes after scheduled dose.> > Mix the chelators in juice for children who won't take pills,

suchas pineapple juice. (We have found that our child

tolerates it betterthis way even though she can swallow pills.)> > Friday through Monday is called a "round". You need to do 100 roundsor more. There will be great improvement in the first 20-30 rounds,then a long plateau, and then typically big gains again around round60-80. > > Bad side effects can happen if dose is too high. Those would includevommitting, excessive lethargy, or anything else extreme.> > Normal side effects: tired, cranky, sweaty, yeast. Yeast is not areason not to chelate.> > You can do a round every weekend with only 4 days off, but most ofus find that causes yeast, AND more than that, it makes you and yourchild very tired. It is more practical do take every 11 days off, butnot necessary.> > Use a good antifungal and probiotics.> > Supplement both "on" and "off" a round. > > Common supplements

are:> > Vitamin C > Zinc > Calcium> Magnesium > Molybdenum > Manganese> Mineral NO COPPER > Multivitamin > Flaxseed Oil> Probiotics> CoEnzyme Q10> Nystatin> B12 > > Finally, Andy strongly advises against the use of Glutathione,stating it cannot be uptaken because mercury is blocking it, andchelation will normalize glutathione levels. The Geiers have alsoconfirmed this (I've asked them personally on 2 occassions) andrecently so has Jim . In fact, just at Autism One Dr. showed that DMSA did indeed normalize glutathione levels alone. Andysays supplementary glutathione can make your child feel sick.> > Again, this is Andy's information and protocol. Certainly otherparents out there have found other methods of chelation to be helpfulas well as the use of glutathione, saunas, and so forth.

Research foryourself to see what you agree with and why. >

; > > > > > ------------ -- Original message ------------ -- > From: Shanon <theshannster2@ ...> > Re:Cutler protocol. What is it and where to find it ? ALso, did yourkids all test high for metals? My son did not.>