Guest guest Posted September 25, 2002 Report Share Posted September 25, 2002 snip... However, if atmospheric air is utilized for its production, the Ozone will be contaminated by certain amounts of oxides of nitrogen, depending upon the type of generator employed, and the nature of the dielectrics, current voltages, etc. In discussing Ozone generators we may state that there are small ozonizers utilizing several small pieces of ordinary window glass or mica as a dielectric superimposed between wire screen or perforated metal plates. Such crude and unscientific construction results in the formation of sparks and abnormal heat. Tests on such units show that the output of nitrogen oxides is equal to and, in many cases, greater than the output of Ozone. ......end of snip Hello, I am brand new on this list I am afraid that I may be asking some really stupid questions. So please excuse my ignorance. I have seen generators ( Alpine?? ) that use the method similar to what is described above. Soooo, how do you " properly " make ozone? I am a tinkerrer and would like to build a " proper " generator. I am familiar with high voltage power supplies both AC and DC. I have built several high voltage negative ion generators with sharp points that put out small amounts of ozone. I am also interested in purifying water. Juergen P. (Jim) Meissner Check out my Website at www.MeissnerResearch.com Read about the benefits of the Brain State Synchronizer sounds for improving your life and health. Ozone - is Non-Toxic > Authority: Dr. Thorp, Ph.D., M.D. > Acting Chairman, Department of Chemistry and Chemical Engineering, Armour Research Foundation, Illinois Institute of Technology. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 25, 2002 Report Share Posted September 25, 2002 The air purifier that does not produce nitrogen I think is the Aranizer. From all the reports it looks to be the best available, mush improved over the Alpine. Dr. Eliezer Ben-ph Personal and Financial Freedom www.naturalsolutionsradio.com (home page) www.millenniumpublishing.org (Tax Freedom) Watch your thoughts; they become your words. Watch your words; they become your actions. Watch your actions; they become your habits. Watch your habits; they become your character. Watch your character, it becomes your destiny. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 25, 2002 Report Share Posted September 25, 2002 Dear Jim, You can reinvent the wheel or you can buy an Aranizer. see http://www.aranizer.com He is a competitor, but he has a good, inexpensive product for air usage. Best of health! Dr. Saul Pressman, DCh, LTOH http://www.plasmafire.com -------------------------------------------------------------- Reply-To: oxyplus To: <oxyplus > Subject: Re: Ozone - is Non-Toxic Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 17:04:15 -0400 snip... However, if atmospheric air is utilized for its production, the Ozone will be contaminated by certain amounts of oxides of nitrogen, depending upon the type of generator employed, and the nature of the dielectrics, current voltages, etc. In discussing Ozone generators we may state that there are small ozonizers utilizing several small pieces of ordinary window glass or mica as a dielectric superimposed between wire screen or perforated metal plates. Such crude and unscientific construction results in the formation of sparks and abnormal heat. Tests on such units show that the output of nitrogen oxides is equal to and, in many cases, greater than the output of Ozone. ......end of snip Hello, I am brand new on this list I am afraid that I may be asking some really stupid questions. So please excuse my ignorance. I have seen generators ( Alpine?? ) that use the method similar to what is described above. Soooo, how do you " properly " make ozone? I am a tinkerrer and would like to build a " proper " generator. I am familiar with high voltage power supplies both AC and DC. I have built several high voltage negative ion generators with sharp points that put out small amounts of ozone. I am also interested in purifying water. Juergen P. (Jim) Meissner Check out my Website at www.MeissnerResearch.com Read about the benefits of the Brain State Synchronizer sounds for improving your life and health. Ozone - is Non-Toxic > Authority: Dr. Thorp, Ph.D., M.D. > Acting Chairman, Department of Chemistry and Chemical Engineering, Armour Research Foundation, Illinois Institute of Technology. _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 26, 2002 Report Share Posted September 26, 2002 Dear Saul: > You can reinvent the wheel or you can buy an Aranizer. > see http://www.aranizer.com > He is a competitor, but he has a good, inexpensive product > for air usage. Interesting, someone sent me info on that site last week. I could not find any technical info on that site except fantastic claims. Would you be able to tell me what the principle of operation is that makes it better than the Alpine type of design? My background is electrical engineering so details would be welcome. I like reinventing things. I have learned a great deal that way. In some cases I have come up with improvements. Juergen P. (Jim) Meissner Check out my Website at www.MeissnerResearch.com Read about the benefits of the Brain State Synchronizer sounds for improving your life and health. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 26, 2002 Report Share Posted September 26, 2002 , I also use an Alpine Air Ozone machine right in my office each day. I think God used it several years ago to return child-like lung tissue to me; forever grateful to Him for that. Today, I turn it up [fan and O3 generator and happy as a clam. Obie. Ozone - is Non-Toxic > > > > Authority: Dr. Thorp, Ph.D., M.D. > > Acting Chairman, Department of Chemistry and Chemical Engineering, Armour > Research Foundation, Illinois Institute of Technology. > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: > http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx > > > > OxyPLUS is an unmoderated e-ring dealing with oxidative therapies, and other alternative self-help subjects. > > THERE IS NO MEDICAL ADVICE HERE! > > This list is the 1st Amendment in action. The things you will find here are for information and research purposes only. We are people sharing information we believe in. If you act on ideas found here, you do so at your own risk. Self-help requires intelligence, common sense, and the ability to take responsibility for your own actions. By joining the list you agree to hold yourself FULLY responsible FOR yourself. Do not use any ideas found here without consulting a medical professional, unless you are a researcher or health care provider. > > You can unsubscribe via e-mail by sending A NEW e-mail to the following address - NOT TO THE OXYPLUS LIST! - > DO NOT USE REPLY BUTTON & DO NOT PUT THIS IN THE SUBJECT LINE or BODY of the message! : > > oxyplus-unsubscribeegroups > > oxyplus-normalonelist - switch your subscription to normal mode. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 26, 2002 Report Share Posted September 26, 2002 My Alpine has pulled me out of overloads from chemical sensitivities more times than I can count. Obie2 wrote: > > , I also use an Alpine Air Ozone machine right in my office each day. I think God used it several years ago to return child-like lung tissue to me; forever grateful to Him for that. Today, I turn it up [fan and O3 generator and happy as a clam. Obie. > > Ozone - is Non-Toxic > > > > > > > Authority: Dr. Thorp, Ph.D., M.D. > > > Acting Chairman, Department of Chemistry and Chemical Engineering, > Armour > > Research Foundation, Illinois Institute of Technology. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: > > http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx > > > > > > > > OxyPLUS is an unmoderated e-ring dealing with oxidative therapies, and > other alternative self-help subjects. > > > > THERE IS NO MEDICAL ADVICE HERE! > > > > This list is the 1st Amendment in action. The things you will find here > are for information and research purposes only. We are people sharing > information we believe in. If you act on ideas found here, you do so at your > own risk. Self-help requires intelligence, common sense, and the ability to > take responsibility for your own actions. By joining the list you agree to > hold yourself FULLY responsible FOR yourself. Do not use any ideas found > here without consulting a medical professional, unless you are a researcher > or health care provider. > > > > You can unsubscribe via e-mail by sending A NEW e-mail to the following > address - NOT TO THE OXYPLUS LIST! - > > DO NOT USE REPLY BUTTON & DO NOT PUT THIS IN THE SUBJECT LINE or BODY of > the message! : > > > > oxyplus-unsubscribeegroups > > > > oxyplus-normalonelist - switch your subscription to normal mode. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 26, 2002 Report Share Posted September 26, 2002 How does this compare with the alpine unit that also produces ozone. I thought that breathing in ozone directly was not a good thing. thanks. Flynn 1447 Peachtree St. NE Suite 414 Atlanta, Ga. 30309 Tao400@... Ozone - is Non-Toxic > > > > Authority: Dr. Thorp, Ph.D., M.D. > > Acting Chairman, Department of Chemistry and Chemical Engineering, Armour > Research Foundation, Illinois Institute of Technology. > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: > http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx > > > > OxyPLUS is an unmoderated e-ring dealing with oxidative therapies, and other alternative self-help subjects. > > THERE IS NO MEDICAL ADVICE HERE! > > This list is the 1st Amendment in action. The things you will find here are for information and research purposes only. We are people sharing information we believe in. If you act on ideas found here, you do so at your own risk. Self-help requires intelligence, common sense, and the ability to take responsibility for your own actions. By joining the list you agree to hold yourself FULLY responsible FOR yourself. Do not use any ideas found here without consulting a medical professional, unless you are a researcher or health care provider. > > You can unsubscribe via e-mail by sending A NEW e-mail to the following address - NOT TO THE OXYPLUS LIST! - > DO NOT USE REPLY BUTTON & DO NOT PUT THIS IN THE SUBJECT LINE or BODY of the message! : > > oxyplus-unsubscribeegroups > > oxyplus-normalonelist - switch your subscription to normal mode. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 27, 2002 Report Share Posted September 27, 2002 Dear Jim, There is a patent on Aranizer from the 1960s that you can look up. Best of Health! Dr. Saul Pressman, DCh, LTOH http://www.plasmafire.com ------------------------------------------------------------------- Reply-To: oxyplus To: <oxyplus > Subject: Re: Ozone - is Non-Toxic Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2002 12:49:02 -0400 Dear Saul: > You can reinvent the wheel or you can buy an Aranizer. > see http://www.aranizer.com > He is a competitor, but he has a good, inexpensive product > for air usage. Interesting, someone sent me info on that site last week. I could not find any technical info on that site except fantastic claims. Would you be able to tell me what the principle of operation is that makes it better than the Alpine type of design? My background is electrical engineering so details would be welcome. I like reinventing things. I have learned a great deal that way. In some cases I have come up with improvements. Juergen P. (Jim) Meissner Check out my Website at www.MeissnerResearch.com Read about the benefits of the Brain State Synchronizer sounds for improving your life and health. _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 27, 2002 Report Share Posted September 27, 2002 Dear Saul: I just read your OxyFile #6. Are you also the " engineer " of the Plasmafire technology? Is there a way I can access the patent on the internet? If so could you help steer me there? Do you happen to know what is different about the Aranizer technology? Juergen P. (Jim) Meissner Check out my Website at www.MeissnerResearch.com Read about the benefits of the Brain State Synchronizer sounds for improving your life and health. Re: Ozone - is Non-Toxic > Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2002 12:49:02 -0400 > > Dear Saul: > > > You can reinvent the wheel or you can buy an Aranizer. > > see http://www.aranizer.com > > He is a competitor, but he has a good, inexpensive product > > for air usage. > > Interesting, someone sent me info on that site last week. I could not find > any technical info on that site except fantastic claims. Would you be able > to tell me what the principle of operation is that makes it better than the > Alpine type of design? My background is electrical engineering so details > would be welcome. > > I like reinventing things. I have learned a great deal that way. In some > cases I have come up with improvements. > > Juergen P. (Jim) Meissner > Check out my Website at www.MeissnerResearch.com > Read about the benefits of the Brain State Synchronizer sounds for improving > your life and health. > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: > http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx > > > > OxyPLUS is an unmoderated e-ring dealing with oxidative therapies, and other alternative self-help subjects. > > THERE IS NO MEDICAL ADVICE HERE! > > This list is the 1st Amendment in action. The things you will find here are for information and research purposes only. We are people sharing information we believe in. If you act on ideas found here, you do so at your own risk. Self-help requires intelligence, common sense, and the ability to take responsibility for your own actions. By joining the list you agree to hold yourself FULLY responsible FOR yourself. Do not use any ideas found here without consulting a medical professional, unless you are a researcher or health care provider. > > You can unsubscribe via e-mail by sending A NEW e-mail to the following address - NOT TO THE OXYPLUS LIST! - > DO NOT USE REPLY BUTTON & DO NOT PUT THIS IN THE SUBJECT LINE or BODY of the message! : > > oxyplus-unsubscribeegroups > > oxyplus-normalonelist - switch your subscription to normal mode. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 28, 2002 Report Share Posted September 28, 2002 Dear Jim, Yes I am the co-designer. We did not patent our generator. We were told it violated electrical principles by the patent lawyers we consulted. Hah! Aranizer is using a unique ceramic element. Best of health! Dr. Saul Pressman, DCh, LTOH http://www.plasmafire --------------------------------------------------------------- Reply-To: oxyplus To: <oxyplus > Subject: Re: Ozone - is Non-Toxic Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2002 16:58:13 -0400 Dear Saul: I just read your OxyFile #6. Are you also the " engineer " of the Plasmafire technology? Is there a way I can access the patent on the internet? If so could you help steer me there? Do you happen to know what is different about the Aranizer technology? Juergen P. (Jim) Meissner Check out my Website at www.MeissnerResearch.com Read about the benefits of the Brain State Synchronizer sounds for improving your life and health. Re: Ozone - is Non-Toxic > Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2002 12:49:02 -0400 > > Dear Saul: > > > You can reinvent the wheel or you can buy an Aranizer. > > see http://www.aranizer.com > > He is a competitor, but he has a good, inexpensive product > > for air usage. > > Interesting, someone sent me info on that site last week. I could not find > any technical info on that site except fantastic claims. Would you be able > to tell me what the principle of operation is that makes it better than the > Alpine type of design? My background is electrical engineering so details > would be welcome. > > I like reinventing things. I have learned a great deal that way. In some > cases I have come up with improvements. > > Juergen P. (Jim) Meissner > Check out my Website at www.MeissnerResearch.com > Read about the benefits of the Brain State Synchronizer sounds for improving > your life and health. > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: > http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx > > > > OxyPLUS is an unmoderated e-ring dealing with oxidative therapies, and other alternative self-help subjects. > > THERE IS NO MEDICAL ADVICE HERE! > > This list is the 1st Amendment in action. The things you will find here are for information and research purposes only. We are people sharing information we believe in. If you act on ideas found here, you do so at your own risk. Self-help requires intelligence, common sense, and the ability to take responsibility for your own actions. By joining the list you agree to hold yourself FULLY responsible FOR yourself. Do not use any ideas found here without consulting a medical professional, unless you are a researcher or health care provider. > > You can unsubscribe via e-mail by sending A NEW e-mail to the following address - NOT TO THE OXYPLUS LIST! - > DO NOT USE REPLY BUTTON & DO NOT PUT THIS IN THE SUBJECT LINE or BODY of the message! : > > oxyplus-unsubscribeegroups > > oxyplus-normalonelist - switch your subscription to normal mode. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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