Re: Dr. Neubrander and Mouthing of Objects

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We have seen him for about a year. You are

welcome to e-mail me with questions.

From:

mb12 valtrex [mailto:mb12 valtrex ] On Behalf Of Elsie Salem

Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2008

11:34 AM

To: mb12 valtrex

Subject: Dr.

Neubrander and Mouthing of Objects

Hi Everyone:

Just want to know if anyone out there has been to Dr. Neubrander.

I spoke to Rick Neubrander in his office and I was told that if I wanted to see

the doctor himself that the first visit would cost $700 with followup visits

costing $400 or if I want I could see the PA and that would cost $375 then $250

follow up. I would prefer seeing the doctor of course but if the PA is

going to do the same thing then saving the money would be good. If you

saw the Doctor first, let me know and if you saw the PA first let me know.

Also, Mr. Neubrander made it seem that the first visit is very

anticlimatic. That the Dr. would let us know about the Methyl B12 shots and how

to administer, examine my son and go over his history. I was also told that

I have to fill out 10 hours of paperwork before my first appointment.

Gee, I feel for $700 that I should come out of the Dr.'s office enlightened

with alot of information that only this DAN Dr. can give me. It just

doesn't seem that way to me, but perhaps I'm wrong. Also, he's telling me

that I should see any results from the MB12 within 5 weeks. What's

scaring me is that it seems that once you are on it, you can't get off it.

Also, within the last 2 weeks my son has been mouthing alot of small objects

from the floor, mainly small pieces of paper or thread. Does anyone have

any ideas as to why this is happening. Just a reminder my son is 16 years

old.

Thanks for your help.

Elsie

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We've been seeing him for 2 1/2 years, actually one of his PAs, but have spoken to him as well.

Feel free to email me off list with any specific questions.

Yes, there is TONS of paperwork every 6-8 weeks but only in the beginning. It is really helpful, time consuming, but helpful.

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Oh, the prices are not always as Rick mentioned. There is an hourly rate they charge,and they time the consults by stopwatch. I have had short consults that were informative and helpful but ran about $100.

email if you want more info

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Elsie,

Maybe you should mention what town you live in so

people on this list can hopefully recommend another

DAN doc who has lower fees but is also well

experienced. That would at least give you a choice.

--- Elsie Salem wrote:

> Hi Everyone:

>

> Just want to know if anyone out there has been to

> Dr. Neubrander. I spoke to Rick Neubrander in his

> office and I was told that if I wanted to see the

> doctor himself that the first visit would cost $700

> with followup visits costing $400 or if I want I

> could see the PA and that would cost $375 then $250

> follow up. I would prefer seeing the doctor of

> course but if the PA is going to do the same thing

> then saving the money would be good. If you saw the

> Doctor first, let me know and if you saw the PA

> first let me know.

>

> Also, Mr. Neubrander made it seem that the first

> visit is very anticlimatic. That the Dr. would let

> us know about the Methyl B12 shots and how to

> administer, examine my son and go over his history.

> I was also told that I have to fill out 10 hours of

> paperwork before my first appointment. Gee, I feel

> for $700 that I should come out of the Dr.'s office

> enlightened with alot of information that only this

> DAN Dr. can give me. It just doesn't seem that way

> to me, but perhaps I'm wrong. Also, he's telling me

> that I should see any results from the MB12 within 5

> weeks. What's scaring me is that it seems that once

> you are on it, you can't get off it.

>

> Also, within the last 2 weeks my son has been

> mouthing alot of small objects from the floor,

> mainly small pieces of paper or thread. Does anyone

> have any ideas as to why this is happening. Just a

> reminder my son is 16 years old.

>

> Thanks for your help.

>

> Elsie

>

>

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Also, within the last 2 weeks my son has been> mouthing alot of small objects from the floor,> mainly small pieces of paper or thread. Does anyone> have any ideas as to why this is happening. Just a> reminder my son is 16 years old Hi , My son is 6 1/2 and mouthing objects has always been an issue.The funny thing is that before age 2 he wouldn't even out a soother in his mouth.The habit(for lack of a better word)flucuates alot.Sometimes it coincides with low amino acids or minerals or even yeast(too much sugar). Hope this helps a bit.We did B12 shots and later did Yasko genetic testing and found out he should only have Hydroxy B12.These kids are all so different.We saw nothing from shots except stimminess,mouthing. Fund wrote: Elsie,Maybe you should mention what town you live in sopeople on this list can hopefully recommend anotherDAN doc who has lower fees but is also wellexperienced. That would at least give you a choice.--- Elsie Salem <lcmom507> wrote:> Hi Everyone:> > Just want to know if anyone out there has been to> Dr. Neubrander. I spoke to Rick Neubrander in his> office and I was told that if I wanted to see the> doctor himself that the first visit would cost $700> with followup

visits costing $400 or if I want I> could see the PA and that would cost $375 then $250> follow up. I would prefer seeing the doctor of> course but if the PA is going to do the same thing> then saving the money would be good. If you saw the> Doctor first, let me know and if you saw the PA> first let me know.> > Also, Mr. Neubrander made it seem that the first> visit is very anticlimatic. That the Dr. would let> us know about the Methyl B12 shots and how to> administer, examine my son and go over his history. > I was also told that I have to fill out 10 hours of> paperwork before my first appointment. Gee, I feel> for $700 that I should come out of the Dr.'s office> enlightened with alot of information that only this> DAN Dr. can give me. It just doesn't seem that way> to me, but perhaps I'm wrong. Also, he's telling me> that I should see any results

from the MB12 within 5> weeks. What's scaring me is that it seems that once> you are on it, you can't get off it.> > Also, within the last 2 weeks my son has been> mouthing alot of small objects from the floor,> mainly small pieces of paper or thread. Does anyone> have any ideas as to why this is happening. Just a> reminder my son is 16 years old.> > Thanks for your help.> > Elsie> > > ---------------------------------> Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with> Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now.__________________________________________________________Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping "To accomplish great things, we must not only act, wemust dream; not only plan but also believe."

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Also, within the last 2 weeks my son has been> mouthing alot of small objects from the floor,> mainly small pieces of paper or thread. Does anyone> have any ideas as to why this is happening. Just a> reminder my son is 16 years old Hi , My son is 6 1/2 and mouthing objects has always been an issue.The funny thing is that before age 2 he wouldn't even out a soother in his mouth.The habit(for lack of a better word)flucuates alot.Sometimes it coincides with low amino acids or minerals or even yeast(too much sugar). Hope this helps a bit.We did B12 shots and later did Yasko genetic testing and found out he should only have Hydroxy B12.These kids are all so different.We saw nothing from shots except stimminess,mouthing. Fund wrote: Elsie,Maybe you should mention what town you live in sopeople on this list can hopefully recommend anotherDAN doc who has lower fees but is also wellexperienced. That would at least give you a choice.--- Elsie Salem <lcmom507> wrote:> Hi Everyone:> > Just want to know if anyone out there has been to> Dr. Neubrander. I spoke to Rick Neubrander in his> office and I was told that if I wanted to see the> doctor himself that the first visit would cost $700> with followup

visits costing $400 or if I want I> could see the PA and that would cost $375 then $250> follow up. I would prefer seeing the doctor of> course but if the PA is going to do the same thing> then saving the money would be good. If you saw the> Doctor first, let me know and if you saw the PA> first let me know.> > Also, Mr. Neubrander made it seem that the first> visit is very anticlimatic. That the Dr. would let> us know about the Methyl B12 shots and how to> administer, examine my son and go over his history. > I was also told that I have to fill out 10 hours of> paperwork before my first appointment. Gee, I feel> for $700 that I should come out of the Dr.'s office> enlightened with alot of information that only this> DAN Dr. can give me. It just doesn't seem that way> to me, but perhaps I'm wrong. Also, he's telling me> that I should see any results

from the MB12 within 5> weeks. What's scaring me is that it seems that once> you are on it, you can't get off it.> > Also, within the last 2 weeks my son has been> mouthing alot of small objects from the floor,> mainly small pieces of paper or thread. Does anyone> have any ideas as to why this is happening. Just a> reminder my son is 16 years old.> > Thanks for your help.> > Elsie> > > ---------------------------------> Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with> Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now.__________________________________________________________Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping "To accomplish great things, we must not only act, wemust dream; not only plan but also believe."

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Good Idea: I live in Staten Island, NY, which is part of NYC. I like going to doctors in NJ since Staten Island is close to NJ and its much easier for me to get to than Manhattan. Thanks, everyone Elsie Fund wrote: Elsie,Maybe you should mention what town you live in sopeople on this list can hopefully recommend anotherDAN doc who has lower fees but is also wellexperienced. That would at least give you a

choice.--- Elsie Salem <lcmom507> wrote:> Hi Everyone:> > Just want to know if anyone out there has been to> Dr. Neubrander. I spoke to Rick Neubrander in his> office and I was told that if I wanted to see the> doctor himself that the first visit would cost $700> with followup visits costing $400 or if I want I> could see the PA and that would cost $375 then $250> follow up. I would prefer seeing the doctor of> course but if the PA is going to do the same thing> then saving the money would be good. If you saw the> Doctor first, let me know and if you saw the PA> first let me know.> > Also, Mr. Neubrander made it seem that the first> visit is very anticlimatic. That the Dr. would let> us know about the Methyl B12 shots and how to> administer, examine my son and go

over his history. > I was also told that I have to fill out 10 hours of> paperwork before my first appointment. Gee, I feel> for $700 that I should come out of the Dr.'s office> enlightened with alot of information that only this> DAN Dr. can give me. It just doesn't seem that way> to me, but perhaps I'm wrong. Also, he's telling me> that I should see any results from the MB12 within 5> weeks. What's scaring me is that it seems that once> you are on it, you can't get off it.> > Also, within the last 2 weeks my son has been> mouthing alot of small objects from the floor,> mainly small pieces of paper or thread. Does anyone> have any ideas as to why this is happening. Just a> reminder my son is 16 years old.> > Thanks for your help.> > Elsie> > > ---------------------------------> Be a better friend,

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We have been seeing him for almost 3 years and I do not recall ever

paying 700 for a consultation.

As far as I understand, you can stop the MB-12 shots but it is there

experience that there is regression after you stop

The paperwork is very time consuming in the beginning but, on the

other hand, makes the consultations more productive but you do need

to be well organized to take advantage of it.

Our experience has been excellent he has made a significant

difference in our son's life and although I know that no Dr/treatment

is good for all families/cases, I do believe that he has to be one of

the best Dr's out there and he has made a lot of information/research

available for anyone to use (look at his website).

>

> > Hi Everyone:

> >

> > Just want to know if anyone out there has been to

> > Dr. Neubrander. I spoke to Rick Neubrander in his

> > office and I was told that if I wanted to see the

> > doctor himself that the first visit would cost $700

> > with followup visits costing $400 or if I want I

> > could see the PA and that would cost $375 then $250

> > follow up. I would prefer seeing the doctor of

> > course but if the PA is going to do the same thing

> > then saving the money would be good. If you saw the

> > Doctor first, let me know and if you saw the PA

> > first let me know.

> >

> > Also, Mr. Neubrander made it seem that the first

> > visit is very anticlimatic. That the Dr. would let

> > us know about the Methyl B12 shots and how to

> > administer, examine my son and go over his history.

> > I was also told that I have to fill out 10 hours of

> > paperwork before my first appointment. Gee, I feel

> > for $700 that I should come out of the Dr.'s office

> > enlightened with alot of information that only this

> > DAN Dr. can give me. It just doesn't seem that way

> > to me, but perhaps I'm wrong. Also, he's telling me

> > that I should see any results from the MB12 within 5

> > weeks. What's scaring me is that it seems that once

> > you are on it, you can't get off it.

> >

> > Also, within the last 2 weeks my son has been

> > mouthing alot of small objects from the floor,

> > mainly small pieces of paper or thread. Does anyone

> > have any ideas as to why this is happening. Just a

> > reminder my son is 16 years old.

> >

> > Thanks for your help.

> >

> > Elsie

> >

> >

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We have been seeing him for a year and

have paid over 700 on a couple occasions. They are normally about 375$ for the

hour.

The paperwork is a lot and after a year I haven’t

found it to be any less…but I might be slowJ

From: mb12 valtrex [mailto:mb12 valtrex ] On Behalf Of watchfuleye2006

Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2008

4:41 PM

To: mb12 valtrex

Subject: Re: Dr.

Neubrander and Mouthing of Objects

We have been seeing him for almost 3 years and I do not recall ever

paying 700 for a consultation.

As far as I understand, you can stop the MB-12 shots but it is there

experience that there is regression after you stop

The paperwork is very time consuming in the beginning but, on the

other hand, makes the consultations more productive but you do need

to be well organized to take advantage of it.

Our experience has been excellent he has made a significant

difference in our son's life and although I know that no Dr/treatment

is good for all families/cases, I do believe that he has to be one of

the best Dr's out there and he has made a lot of information/research

available for anyone to use (look at his website).

>

> > Hi Everyone:

> >

> > Just want to know if anyone out there has been to

> > Dr. Neubrander. I spoke to Rick Neubrander in his

> > office and I was told that if I wanted to see the

> > doctor himself that the first visit would cost $700

> > with followup visits costing $400 or if I want I

> > could see the PA and that would cost $375 then $250

> > follow up. I would prefer seeing the doctor of

> > course but if the PA is going to do the same thing

> > then saving the money would be good. If you saw the

> > Doctor first, let me know and if you saw the PA

> > first let me know.

> >

> > Also, Mr. Neubrander made it seem that the first

> > visit is very anticlimatic. That the Dr. would let

> > us know about the Methyl B12 shots and how to

> > administer, examine my son and go over his history.

> > I was also told that I have to fill out 10 hours of

> > paperwork before my first appointment. Gee, I feel

> > for $700 that I should come out of the Dr.'s office

> > enlightened with alot of information that only this

> > DAN Dr.

can give me. It just doesn't seem that way

> > to me, but perhaps I'm wrong. Also, he's telling me

> > that I should see any results from the MB12 within 5

> > weeks. What's scaring me is that it seems that once

> > you are on it, you can't get off it.

> >

> > Also, within the last 2 weeks my son has been

> > mouthing alot of small objects from the floor,

> > mainly small pieces of paper or thread. Does anyone

> > have any ideas as to why this is happening. Just a

> > reminder my son is 16 years old.

> >

> > Thanks for your help.

> >

> > Elsie

> >

> >

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> > Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now.

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After 5 cycles of MB12 you no longer have to do the whole PDRF. You just have to write the letter at the end

Kerrie

The paperwork is a lot and after a year I haven’t found it to be any less…but I might be slowJ

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So does this mean that my 6 year old's obsession with flushing things down the toilet is a good thing?

What age do they normally do that? We've resorted to turning off the water to the toilet and turning it on when we need to flush. We also don't let him see how we turn it off and on.

Kerrie

I dont have any info on Dr N but did want to comment on the mouthing small things. I had a very good psychologist tell me.. When a child especially ASD or one that didnt go through a particular milestone approperatley, that later on if they do..thats a good sign. I am not sure at what level your son is at, but what he is doing is actually a big part of a develepemental milestone. My NT girls did what you describe often as babies, but my ASD son did not until almost 2 yrs old and only a few times. Mouthing is exploring. My son also crawled on one knee and one foot. He now still crawls at times ( he can walk and run fine ) but now he crawls correctly. I was told to encourage it and not act as if he shouldn't crawl. Because of your sons age, its easy to see behaviors like this as somethings wrong, but its probably a good thing. Hope this helps

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We used to take our son to Dr. Neubrander. He's a good guy. Yes, does require a ton of paperwork, which I found to be tedious and ridiculous on top of everthing else I had to do having an ASD child. I always felt irritated by the fact that it took me hours to do the paperwork and it seemed it barely got looked at. Although we did like Dr. N., it got to be too expensive for us to rationalize continuing with him. We really didn't make any big progress with our son during the year or so we had him going there and we were very broke from all the tests, hbot, Krigsman scope,etc that was recommended.

That said, I respect the man's research and ideas, he has made big changes in the lives of a lot of kids (so they say), and I still use the DRN multi supplement (sold at Kirkman's) cuz I think it's the best one out there. I refer back to the information he gave us quite a bit and refer back to his website often. If I could afford to keep going, I would probably suffer thru the paperwork and do it at this point because I did feel that with him we were on the cusp of the latest research.

As for MB12 shots, they didn't seem to do much for our son. Dr. N requires patients to complete parent evaluation forms between visits on things happening while on mb12. I think it's very hard to judge all the minutae detail on the form objectively, because you WANT to see good things and so you look for them and try to highlight as many positives as you can. When we finally stopped the shots, we saw no changes better or worse.

Dr. Neubrander and Mouthing of Objects

Hi Everyone:

Just want to know if anyone out there has been to Dr. Neubrander. I spoke to Rick Neubrander in his office and I was told that if I wanted to see the doctor himself that the first visit would cost $700 with followup visits costing $400 or if I want I could see the PA and that would cost $375 then $250 follow up. I would prefer seeing the doctor of course but if the PA is going to do the same thing then saving the money would be good. If you saw the Doctor first, let me know and if you saw the PA first let me know.

Also, Mr. Neubrander made it seem that the first visit is very anticlimatic. That the Dr. would let us know about the Methyl B12 shots and how to administer, examine my son and go over his history. I was also told that I have to fill out 10 hours of paperwork before my first appointment. Gee, I feel for $700 that I should come out of the Dr.'s office enlightened with alot of information that only this DAN Dr. can give me. It just doesn't seem that way to me, but perhaps I'm wrong. Also, he's telling me that I should see any results from the MB12 within 5 weeks. What's scaring me is that it seems that once you are on it, you can't get off it.

Also, within the last 2 weeks my son has been mouthing alot of small objects from the floor, mainly small pieces of paper or thread. Does anyone have any ideas as to why this is happening. Just a reminder my son is 16 years old.

Thanks for your help.

Elsie

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We used to take our son to Dr. Neubrander. He's a good guy. Yes, does require a ton of paperwork, which I found to be tedious and ridiculous on top of everthing else I had to do having an ASD child. I always felt irritated by the fact that it took me hours to do the paperwork and it seemed it barely got looked at. Although we did like Dr. N., it got to be too expensive for us to rationalize continuing with him. We really didn't make any big progress with our son during the year or so we had him going there and we were very broke from all the tests, hbot, Krigsman scope,etc that was recommended.

That said, I respect the man's research and ideas, he has made big changes in the lives of a lot of kids (so they say), and I still use the DRN multi supplement (sold at Kirkman's) cuz I think it's the best one out there. I refer back to the information he gave us quite a bit and refer back to his website often. If I could afford to keep going, I would probably suffer thru the paperwork and do it at this point because I did feel that with him we were on the cusp of the latest research.

As for MB12 shots, they didn't seem to do much for our son. Dr. N requires patients to complete parent evaluation forms between visits on things happening while on mb12. I think it's very hard to judge all the minutae detail on the form objectively, because you WANT to see good things and so you look for them and try to highlight as many positives as you can. When we finally stopped the shots, we saw no changes better or worse.

Dr. Neubrander and Mouthing of Objects

Hi Everyone:

Just want to know if anyone out there has been to Dr. Neubrander. I spoke to Rick Neubrander in his office and I was told that if I wanted to see the doctor himself that the first visit would cost $700 with followup visits costing $400 or if I want I could see the PA and that would cost $375 then $250 follow up. I would prefer seeing the doctor of course but if the PA is going to do the same thing then saving the money would be good. If you saw the Doctor first, let me know and if you saw the PA first let me know.

Also, Mr. Neubrander made it seem that the first visit is very anticlimatic. That the Dr. would let us know about the Methyl B12 shots and how to administer, examine my son and go over his history. I was also told that I have to fill out 10 hours of paperwork before my first appointment. Gee, I feel for $700 that I should come out of the Dr.'s office enlightened with alot of information that only this DAN Dr. can give me. It just doesn't seem that way to me, but perhaps I'm wrong. Also, he's telling me that I should see any results from the MB12 within 5 weeks. What's scaring me is that it seems that once you are on it, you can't get off it.

Also, within the last 2 weeks my son has been mouthing alot of small objects from the floor, mainly small pieces of paper or thread. Does anyone have any ideas as to why this is happening. Just a reminder my son is 16 years old.

Thanks for your help.

Elsie

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We used to take our son to Dr. Neubrander. He's a good guy. Yes, does require a ton of paperwork, which I found to be tedious and ridiculous on top of everthing else I had to do having an ASD child. I always felt irritated by the fact that it took me hours to do the paperwork and it seemed it barely got looked at. Although we did like Dr. N., it got to be too expensive for us to rationalize continuing with him. We really didn't make any big progress with our son during the year or so we had him going there and we were very broke from all the tests, hbot, Krigsman scope,etc that was recommended.

That said, I respect the man's research and ideas, he has made big changes in the lives of a lot of kids (so they say), and I still use the DRN multi supplement (sold at Kirkman's) cuz I think it's the best one out there. I refer back to the information he gave us quite a bit and refer back to his website often. If I could afford to keep going, I would probably suffer thru the paperwork and do it at this point because I did feel that with him we were on the cusp of the latest research.

As for MB12 shots, they didn't seem to do much for our son. Dr. N requires patients to complete parent evaluation forms between visits on things happening while on mb12. I think it's very hard to judge all the minutae detail on the form objectively, because you WANT to see good things and so you look for them and try to highlight as many positives as you can. When we finally stopped the shots, we saw no changes better or worse.

Dr. Neubrander and Mouthing of Objects

Hi Everyone:

Just want to know if anyone out there has been to Dr. Neubrander. I spoke to Rick Neubrander in his office and I was told that if I wanted to see the doctor himself that the first visit would cost $700 with followup visits costing $400 or if I want I could see the PA and that would cost $375 then $250 follow up. I would prefer seeing the doctor of course but if the PA is going to do the same thing then saving the money would be good. If you saw the Doctor first, let me know and if you saw the PA first let me know.

Also, Mr. Neubrander made it seem that the first visit is very anticlimatic. That the Dr. would let us know about the Methyl B12 shots and how to administer, examine my son and go over his history. I was also told that I have to fill out 10 hours of paperwork before my first appointment. Gee, I feel for $700 that I should come out of the Dr.'s office enlightened with alot of information that only this DAN Dr. can give me. It just doesn't seem that way to me, but perhaps I'm wrong. Also, he's telling me that I should see any results from the MB12 within 5 weeks. What's scaring me is that it seems that once you are on it, you can't get off it.

Also, within the last 2 weeks my son has been mouthing alot of small objects from the floor, mainly small pieces of paper or thread. Does anyone have any ideas as to why this is happening. Just a reminder my son is 16 years old.

Thanks for your help.

Elsie

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I dont have any info on Dr N but did want to comment on the mouthing small things. I had a very good psychologist tell me.. When a child especially ASD or one that didnt go through a particular milestone approperatley, that later on if they do..thats a good sign. I am not sure at what level your son is at, but what he is doing is actually a big part of a develepemental milestone. My NT girls did what you describe often as babies, but my ASD son did not until almost 2 yrs old and only a few times. Mouthing is exploring. My son also crawled on one knee and one foot. He now still crawls at times ( he can walk and run fine ) but now he crawls correctly. I was told to encourage it and not act as if he shouldn't crawl.

Because of your sons age, its easy to see behaviors like this as somethings wrong, but its probably a good thing. Hope this helps

Dr. Neubrander and Mouthing of Objects

Hi Everyone:

Just want to know if anyone out there has been to Dr. Neubrander. I spoke to Rick Neubrander in his office and I was told that if I wanted to see the doctor himself that the first visit would cost $700 with followup visits costing $400 or if I want I could see the PA and that would cost $375 then $250 follow up. I would prefer seeing the doctor of course but if the PA is going to do the same thing then saving the money would be good. If you saw the Doctor first, let me know and if you saw the PA first let me know.

Also, Mr. Neubrander made it seem that the first visit is very anticlimatic. That the Dr. would let us know about the Methyl B12 shots and how to administer, examine my son and go over his history. I was also told that I have to fill out 10 hours of paperwork before my first appointment. Gee, I feel for $700 that I should come out of the Dr.'s office enlightened with alot of information that only this DAN Dr. can give me. It just doesn't seem that way to me, but perhaps I'm wrong. Also, he's telling me that I should see any results from the MB12 within 5 weeks. What's scaring me is that it seems that once you are on it, you can't get off it.

Also, within the last 2 weeks my son has been mouthing alot of small objects from the floor, mainly small pieces of paper or thread. Does anyone have any ideas as to why this is happening. Just a reminder my son is 16 years old.

Thanks for your help.

Elsie

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Dr. Neubrander and Mouthing of Objects

Hi Everyone:

Just want to know if anyone out there has been to Dr. Neubrander. I spoke to Rick Neubrander in his office and I was told that if I wanted to see the doctor himself that the first visit would cost $700 with followup visits costing $400 or if I want I could see the PA and that would cost $375 then $250 follow up. I would prefer seeing the doctor of course but if the PA is going to do the same thing then saving the money would be good. If you saw the Doctor first, let me know and if you saw the PA first let me know.

Also, Mr. Neubrander made it seem that the first visit is very anticlimatic. That the Dr. would let us know about the Methyl B12 shots and how to administer, examine my son and go over his history. I was also told that I have to fill out 10 hours of paperwork before my first appointment. Gee, I feel for $700 that I should come out of the Dr.'s office enlightened with alot of information that only this DAN Dr. can give me. It just doesn't seem that way to me, but perhaps I'm wrong. Also, he's telling me that I should see any results from the MB12 within 5 weeks. What's scaring me is that it seems that once you are on it, you can't get off it.

Also, within the last 2 weeks my son has been mouthing alot of small objects from the floor, mainly small pieces of paper or thread. Does anyone have any ideas as to why this is happening. Just a reminder my son is 16 years old.

Thanks for your help.

Elsie

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Dr. Neubrander and Mouthing of Objects

Hi Everyone:

Just want to know if anyone out there has been to Dr. Neubrander. I spoke to Rick Neubrander in his office and I was told that if I wanted to see the doctor himself that the first visit would cost $700 with followup visits costing $400 or if I want I could see the PA and that would cost $375 then $250 follow up. I would prefer seeing the doctor of course but if the PA is going to do the same thing then saving the money would be good. If you saw the Doctor first, let me know and if you saw the PA first let me know.

Also, Mr. Neubrander made it seem that the first visit is very anticlimatic. That the Dr. would let us know about the Methyl B12 shots and how to administer, examine my son and go over his history. I was also told that I have to fill out 10 hours of paperwork before my first appointment. Gee, I feel for $700 that I should come out of the Dr.'s office enlightened with alot of information that only this DAN Dr. can give me. It just doesn't seem that way to me, but perhaps I'm wrong. Also, he's telling me that I should see any results from the MB12 within 5 weeks. What's scaring me is that it seems that once you are on it, you can't get off it.

Also, within the last 2 weeks my son has been mouthing alot of small objects from the floor, mainly small pieces of paper or thread. Does anyone have any ideas as to why this is happening. Just a reminder my son is 16 years old.

Thanks for your help.

Elsie

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...how old is your child? Can you get an appointment with Dr

Golberg in Tarzana in June...if you and your kiddo can get out here

we can give you your own apartment for about a week to make the

appointment and see if you can go a different route than the DAN one

if it will help. It breaks my heart when I hear about parents going

brok over this crap with little results to show for it...we are FAR

from rolling in it, don't get me wrong, but luckily we live where we

do and near many DAN options as well as Dr.G who will be our next

stop, frankly, if Matt ceases to response to the antiviral therapy as

we are implementing it now....with the PTC protocol on board

too...every time I read your posts I thik that maybe your kid is the

type he can help. Our friend's son, five, with apraxia is making

progress under his care and NOTHING else worked. Let me know if you

need to come to LA....NO money of course, just use the rental for

that week that it is vacant, it is adjacent ot our home and 45

minutes to Dr G in Tarzana. Diane

>

> We used to take our son to Dr. Neubrander. He's a good guy. Yes,

does require a ton of paperwork, which I found to be tedious and

ridiculous on top of everthing else I had to do having an ASD child.

I always felt irritated by the fact that it took me hours to do the

paperwork and it seemed it barely got looked at. Although we did

like Dr. N., it got to be too expensive for us to rationalize

continuing with him. We really didn't make any big progress with our

son during the year or so we had him going there and we were very

broke from all the tests, hbot, Krigsman scope,etc that was

recommended.

>

> That said, I respect the man's research and ideas, he has made big

changes in the lives of a lot of kids (so they say), and I still use

the DRN multi supplement (sold at Kirkman's) cuz I think it's the

best one out there. I refer back to the information he gave us quite

a bit and refer back to his website often. If I could afford to keep

going, I would probably suffer thru the paperwork and do it at this

point because I did feel that with him we were on the cusp of the

latest research.

>

> As for MB12 shots, they didn't seem to do much for our son. Dr. N

requires patients to complete parent evaluation forms between visits

on things happening while on mb12. I think it's very hard to judge

all the minutae detail on the form objectively, because you WANT to

see good things and so you look for them and try to highlight as many

positives as you can. When we finally stopped the shots, we saw no

changes better or worse.

>

>

> Dr. Neubrander and Mouthing of Objects

>

>

>

> Hi Everyone:

>

> Just want to know if anyone out there has been to Dr.

Neubrander. I spoke to Rick Neubrander in his office and I was told

that if I wanted to see the doctor himself that the first visit would

cost $700 with followup visits costing $400 or if I want I could see

the PA and that would cost $375 then $250 follow up. I would prefer

seeing the doctor of course but if the PA is going to do the same

thing then saving the money would be good. If you saw the Doctor

first, let me know and if you saw the PA first let me know.

>

> Also, Mr. Neubrander made it seem that the first visit is very

anticlimatic. That the Dr. would let us know about the Methyl B12

shots and how to administer, examine my son and go over his history.

I was also told that I have to fill out 10 hours of paperwork before

my first appointment. Gee, I feel for $700 that I should come out of

the Dr.'s office enlightened with alot of information that only this

DAN Dr. can give me. It just doesn't seem that way to me, but

perhaps I'm wrong. Also, he's telling me that I should see any

results from the MB12 within 5 weeks. What's scaring me is that it

seems that once you are on it, you can't get off it.

>

> Also, within the last 2 weeks my son has been mouthing alot of

small objects from the floor, mainly small pieces of paper or

thread. Does anyone have any ideas as to why this is happening.

Just a reminder my son is 16 years old.

>

> Thanks for your help.

>

> Elsie

>

>

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As long as he does it like a NT typical child of a different age it

is as the other post indicates...a delay being sorted...if he does it

like an autistic child of any age if is a difference and needs to be

addressed...there is something creating that need to stim...like gut

discomfort or a parasite infection. How many people have toddlers or

babies that forced them to turn off all the water in the house bc

they could not be kept from flushing the toilet...Matt did this only

when he was also opening and closing doors obsessively too ....let

your parenting instincts guide you...is it a delay or a

difference...NT behvior for a younger kid or autism sign at any

age....

Easy way to tell...check the diet, bring in some enzymes (read

enzymestuff page) and up the probiotics for about three weeks...and

see if the behavior changes...it completely went away in Matt.

Remember psychologists and behavioral therapists don't buy into the

gut connection or most biomed...it isn't a part of their thinking, so

I take their advice like those stories of why mosquitos buzz or the

seasons happen from ancient or traditional cultures -if you get my

drift...applying a reasonable or entertaining sounding hypothesis to

something for which they cannot offer a real medical/science

insight. I would not assume things are all behavioral in a spectrum

kid...try a behavioral mod approach if ANY behavior is disruptive,

developmental or not...bc that is what you would do with a NT child,

not indulge it. NT kids are not allowed to flush endlessly....and

look for gut issues ALWAYS in our kids when these things pop up as it

has been our experience that there is almost always something

afoot....good luck. Di

>

>

>

> So does this mean that my 6 year old's obsession with flushing

things down

> the toilet is a good thing?

>

> What age do they normally do that? We've resorted to turning off

the water

> to the toilet and turning it on when we need to flush. We also

don't let him

> see how we turn it off and on.

>

> Kerrie

>

>

> In a message dated 3/27/2008 10:56:07 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,

> l.largey@... writes:

>

> I dont have any info on Dr N but did want to comment on the

mouthing small

> things. I had a very good psychologist tell me.. When a child

especially ASD

> or one that didnt go through a particular milestone approperatley,

that later

> on if they do..thats a good sign. I am not sure at what level your

son is at,

> but what he is doing is actually a big part of a develepemental

milestone.

> My NT girls did what you describe often as babies, but my ASD son

did not

> until almost 2 yrs old and only a few times. Mouthing is

exploring. My son also

> crawled on one knee and one foot. He now still crawls at times ( he

can walk

> and run fine ) but now he crawls correctly. I was told to encourage

it and not

> act as if he shouldn't crawl. Because of your sons age, its easy

to see

> behaviors like this as somethings wrong, but its probably a good

thing. Hope

> this helps

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

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Thanks for your generous offer Di. Flying out to CA is not an option for us tho.

Dr. Neubrander and Mouthing of Objects> > > > Hi Everyone:> > Just want to know if anyone out there has been to Dr. Neubrander. I spoke to Rick Neubrander in his office and I was told that if I wanted to see the doctor himself that the first visit would cost $700 with followup visits costing $400 or if I want I could see the PA and that would cost $375 then $250 follow up. I would prefer seeing the doctor of course but if the PA is going to do the same thing then saving the money would be good. If you saw the Doctor first, let me know and if you saw the PA first let me know.> > Also, Mr. Neubrander made it seem that the first visit is very anticlimatic. That the Dr. would let us know about the Methyl B12 shots and how to administer, examine my son and go over his history. I was also told that I have to fill out 10 hours of paperwork before my first appointment. Gee, I feel for $700 that I should come out of the Dr.'s office enlightened with alot of information that only this DAN Dr. can give me. It just doesn't seem that way to me, but perhaps I'm wrong. Also, he's telling me that I should see any results from the MB12 within 5 weeks. What's scaring me is that it seems that once you are on it, you can't get off it.> > Also, within the last 2 weeks my son has been mouthing alot of small objects from the floor, mainly small pieces of paper or thread. Does anyone have any ideas as to why this is happening. Just a reminder my son is 16 years old.> > Thanks for your help.> > Elsie> > > --------------------------------------------------------------------> Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now.>

[Guest guest]

Cheers. The offer stands and you can write me if you need to come

out this way any time. W may not always have a place to offer, but

we can always make room in out home...that foes for anyone on this

list who needs to connect to a doctor here in LA. If there is

someone out this way who can help...by all means use our home as a

place from which to get there to meet them.....Di

> >

> > We used to take our son to Dr. Neubrander. He's a good guy.

Yes,

> does require a ton of paperwork, which I found to be tedious and

> ridiculous on top of everthing else I had to do having an ASD

child.

> I always felt irritated by the fact that it took me hours to do

the

> paperwork and it seemed it barely got looked at. Although we did

> like Dr. N., it got to be too expensive for us to rationalize

> continuing with him. We really didn't make any big progress with

our

> son during the year or so we had him going there and we were very

> broke from all the tests, hbot, Krigsman scope,etc that was

> recommended.

> >

> > That said, I respect the man's research and ideas, he has made

big

> changes in the lives of a lot of kids (so they say), and I still

use

> the DRN multi supplement (sold at Kirkman's) cuz I think it's the

> best one out there. I refer back to the information he gave us

quite

> a bit and refer back to his website often. If I could afford to

keep

> going, I would probably suffer thru the paperwork and do it at

this

> point because I did feel that with him we were on the cusp of the

> latest research.

> >

> > As for MB12 shots, they didn't seem to do much for our son. Dr.

N

> requires patients to complete parent evaluation forms between

visits

> on things happening while on mb12. I think it's very hard to

judge

> all the minutae detail on the form objectively, because you WANT

to

> see good things and so you look for them and try to highlight as

many

> positives as you can. When we finally stopped the shots, we saw

no

> changes better or worse.

> >

> >

> > Dr. Neubrander and Mouthing of Objects

> >

> >

> >

> > Hi Everyone:

> >

> > Just want to know if anyone out there has been to Dr.

> Neubrander. I spoke to Rick Neubrander in his office and I was

told

> that if I wanted to see the doctor himself that the first visit

would

> cost $700 with followup visits costing $400 or if I want I could

see

> the PA and that would cost $375 then $250 follow up. I would

prefer

> seeing the doctor of course but if the PA is going to do the same

> thing then saving the money would be good. If you saw the Doctor

> first, let me know and if you saw the PA first let me know.

> >

> > Also, Mr. Neubrander made it seem that the first visit is very

> anticlimatic. That the Dr. would let us know about the Methyl B12

> shots and how to administer, examine my son and go over his

history.

> I was also told that I have to fill out 10 hours of paperwork

before

> my first appointment. Gee, I feel for $700 that I should come out

of

> the Dr.'s office enlightened with alot of information that only

this

> DAN Dr. can give me. It just doesn't seem that way to me, but

> perhaps I'm wrong. Also, he's telling me that I should see any

> results from the MB12 within 5 weeks. What's scaring me is that

it

> seems that once you are on it, you can't get off it.

> >

> > Also, within the last 2 weeks my son has been mouthing alot of

> small objects from the floor, mainly small pieces of paper or

> thread. Does anyone have any ideas as to why this is happening.

> Just a reminder my son is 16 years old.

> >

> > Thanks for your help.

> >

> > Elsie

> >

> >

> > ----------------------------------------------------------

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>

[Guest guest]

Cheers. The offer stands and you can write me if you need to come

out this way any time. W may not always have a place to offer, but

we can always make room in out home...that foes for anyone on this

list who needs to connect to a doctor here in LA. If there is

someone out this way who can help...by all means use our home as a

place from which to get there to meet them.....Di

> >

> > We used to take our son to Dr. Neubrander. He's a good guy.

Yes,

> does require a ton of paperwork, which I found to be tedious and

> ridiculous on top of everthing else I had to do having an ASD

child.

> I always felt irritated by the fact that it took me hours to do

the

> paperwork and it seemed it barely got looked at. Although we did

> like Dr. N., it got to be too expensive for us to rationalize

> continuing with him. We really didn't make any big progress with

our

> son during the year or so we had him going there and we were very

> broke from all the tests, hbot, Krigsman scope,etc that was

> recommended.

> >

> > That said, I respect the man's research and ideas, he has made

big

> changes in the lives of a lot of kids (so they say), and I still

use

> the DRN multi supplement (sold at Kirkman's) cuz I think it's the

> best one out there. I refer back to the information he gave us

quite

> a bit and refer back to his website often. If I could afford to

keep

> going, I would probably suffer thru the paperwork and do it at

this

> point because I did feel that with him we were on the cusp of the

> latest research.

> >

> > As for MB12 shots, they didn't seem to do much for our son. Dr.

N

> requires patients to complete parent evaluation forms between

visits

> on things happening while on mb12. I think it's very hard to

judge

> all the minutae detail on the form objectively, because you WANT

to

> see good things and so you look for them and try to highlight as

many

> positives as you can. When we finally stopped the shots, we saw

no

> changes better or worse.

> >

> >

> > Dr. Neubrander and Mouthing of Objects

> >

> >

> >

> > Hi Everyone:

> >

> > Just want to know if anyone out there has been to Dr.

> Neubrander. I spoke to Rick Neubrander in his office and I was

told

> that if I wanted to see the doctor himself that the first visit

would

> cost $700 with followup visits costing $400 or if I want I could

see

> the PA and that would cost $375 then $250 follow up. I would

prefer

> seeing the doctor of course but if the PA is going to do the same

> thing then saving the money would be good. If you saw the Doctor

> first, let me know and if you saw the PA first let me know.

> >

> > Also, Mr. Neubrander made it seem that the first visit is very

> anticlimatic. That the Dr. would let us know about the Methyl B12

> shots and how to administer, examine my son and go over his

history.

> I was also told that I have to fill out 10 hours of paperwork

before

> my first appointment. Gee, I feel for $700 that I should come out

of

> the Dr.'s office enlightened with alot of information that only

this

> DAN Dr. can give me. It just doesn't seem that way to me, but

> perhaps I'm wrong. Also, he's telling me that I should see any

> results from the MB12 within 5 weeks. What's scaring me is that

it

> seems that once you are on it, you can't get off it.

> >

> > Also, within the last 2 weeks my son has been mouthing alot of

> small objects from the floor, mainly small pieces of paper or

> thread. Does anyone have any ideas as to why this is happening.

> Just a reminder my son is 16 years old.

> >

> > Thanks for your help.

> >

> > Elsie

> >

> >

> > ----------------------------------------------------------

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> Mobile. Try it now.

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>

[Guest guest]

Cheers. The offer stands and you can write me if you need to come

out this way any time. W may not always have a place to offer, but

we can always make room in out home...that foes for anyone on this

list who needs to connect to a doctor here in LA. If there is

someone out this way who can help...by all means use our home as a

place from which to get there to meet them.....Di

> >

> > We used to take our son to Dr. Neubrander. He's a good guy.

Yes,

> does require a ton of paperwork, which I found to be tedious and

> ridiculous on top of everthing else I had to do having an ASD

child.

> I always felt irritated by the fact that it took me hours to do

the

> paperwork and it seemed it barely got looked at. Although we did

> like Dr. N., it got to be too expensive for us to rationalize

> continuing with him. We really didn't make any big progress with

our

> son during the year or so we had him going there and we were very

> broke from all the tests, hbot, Krigsman scope,etc that was

> recommended.

> >

> > That said, I respect the man's research and ideas, he has made

big

> changes in the lives of a lot of kids (so they say), and I still

use

> the DRN multi supplement (sold at Kirkman's) cuz I think it's the

> best one out there. I refer back to the information he gave us

quite

> a bit and refer back to his website often. If I could afford to

keep

> going, I would probably suffer thru the paperwork and do it at

this

> point because I did feel that with him we were on the cusp of the

> latest research.

> >

> > As for MB12 shots, they didn't seem to do much for our son. Dr.

N

> requires patients to complete parent evaluation forms between

visits

> on things happening while on mb12. I think it's very hard to

judge

> all the minutae detail on the form objectively, because you WANT

to

> see good things and so you look for them and try to highlight as

many

> positives as you can. When we finally stopped the shots, we saw

no

> changes better or worse.

> >

> >

> > Dr. Neubrander and Mouthing of Objects

> >

> >

> >

> > Hi Everyone:

> >

> > Just want to know if anyone out there has been to Dr.

> Neubrander. I spoke to Rick Neubrander in his office and I was

told

> that if I wanted to see the doctor himself that the first visit

would

> cost $700 with followup visits costing $400 or if I want I could

see

> the PA and that would cost $375 then $250 follow up. I would

prefer

> seeing the doctor of course but if the PA is going to do the same

> thing then saving the money would be good. If you saw the Doctor

> first, let me know and if you saw the PA first let me know.

> >

> > Also, Mr. Neubrander made it seem that the first visit is very

> anticlimatic. That the Dr. would let us know about the Methyl B12

> shots and how to administer, examine my son and go over his

history.

> I was also told that I have to fill out 10 hours of paperwork

before

> my first appointment. Gee, I feel for $700 that I should come out

of

> the Dr.'s office enlightened with alot of information that only

this

> DAN Dr. can give me. It just doesn't seem that way to me, but

> perhaps I'm wrong. Also, he's telling me that I should see any

> results from the MB12 within 5 weeks. What's scaring me is that

it

> seems that once you are on it, you can't get off it.

> >

> > Also, within the last 2 weeks my son has been mouthing alot of

> small objects from the floor, mainly small pieces of paper or

> thread. Does anyone have any ideas as to why this is happening.

> Just a reminder my son is 16 years old.

> >

> > Thanks for your help.

> >

> > Elsie

> >

> >

> > ----------------------------------------------------------

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