Guest guest Posted May 27, 2011 Report Share Posted May 27, 2011 In the last post I received, Melody wrote 3 lines, but her post was over 400 lines long! Please don't just hit reply, use cut and paste or delete , rather than sending the entire string of posts just so you can add a few lines. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 29, 2011 Report Share Posted May 29, 2011 I have no intention of trimming my posts. Live with it. If you're on Digest, this is NOT the way this forum will work for you most effectively. Rather than asking all of US to make changes for you, YOU make changes for you. Pam Reply-To: <sproutpeople > Date: Sat, 28 May 2011 02:33:14 -0000 To: <sproutpeople > Subject: Please trim your posts! > > > > > > In the last post I received, Melody wrote 3 lines, but her post was over 400 > lines long! Please don't just hit reply, use cut and paste or delete , rather > than sending the entire string of posts just so you can add a few lines. > > > > __._,_ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 29, 2011 Report Share Posted May 29, 2011 Pam, that was a rude reply. I hope you realize that there are places where people have metered Internet service, they get a certain amount of bandwidth and have to pay additional for every kb beyond that. But since you and I have bandwidth to burn I guess we don't have to be concerned with how it might be for anybody else. Lee > I have no intention of trimming my posts. Live with it. If you're on > Digest, this is NOT the way this forum will work for you most effectively. > Rather than asking all of US to make changes for you, YOU make changes for > you. > Pam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 29, 2011 Report Share Posted May 29, 2011 Rude? No, honest. You have made a judgement, Leron, regarding my post. That is your judgment. I made no judgement. Other than to say that on a very busy list, doing the list as a digest is the least effective way to do it. Those who want to continue with digest, can do so, as long as they know it's not to their advantage - I have no control over what the other person does or chooses to do. The only person I have control over is myself. I am also mentally healthy enough to realize that I'm not going to remember to trim my posts, and I should not have to change my life based on decisions others have made about theirs. I'm not " out to get them " - if they have limited bandwidth, where they have to pay for more, maybe they should choose a smaller list that doesn't have so many posts. I lived for years with a mother and a grandmother who tried to guilt me into submission on values they held most of which were not values for me. I don't do guilt well. I got really clear on which were my issues and which were theirs! This may seem rude or uncaring, but, on the whole, I look at it as healthy and asking everyone to be responsible for themselves. They make choices. They will have to live with those choices. Pam Reply-To: <sproutpeople > Date: Sun, 29 May 2011 14:03:08 -0400 To: <sproutpeople > Subject: Re: Please trim your posts! > > > > > > Pam, that was a rude reply. I hope you realize that there are places where > people have metered Internet service, they get a certain amount of bandwidth > and have to pay additional for every kb beyond that. But since you and I have > bandwidth to burn I guess we don't have to be concerned with how it might be > for anybody else. > Lee > > > >> > I have no intention of trimming my posts. Live with it. If you're on >> > Digest, this is NOT the way this forum will work for you most effectively. >> > Rather than asking all of US to make changes for you, YOU make changes for >> > you. >> > Pam > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 29, 2011 Report Share Posted May 29, 2011 I appreciate that you, Pam do not wish to make a change, however it is known as internet etiquette and on many other lists to which I am happily a subscriber, not trimming one's posts would not fly. Our problem here on this list is we do not have a moderator who would normally be the person monitoring this breach of etiquette. Not meant to offend, just to clarify another's request with my two cents worth. Martha Re: Please trim your posts! I have no intention of trimming my posts. Live with it. If you're on Digest, this is NOT the way this forum will work for you most effectively. Rather than asking all of US to make changes for you, YOU make changes for you. Pam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 29, 2011 Report Share Posted May 29, 2011 Thank you Pam. I don't think people should stop posting individual emails just because that's the way I CHOOSE to receive them. Beverly Texas Please trim your posts! > > > > > > In the last post I received, Melody wrote 3 lines, but her post was over > 400 > lines long! Please don't just hit reply, use cut and paste or delete , > rather > than sending the entire string of posts just so you can add a few lines. > > > > __._,_ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 29, 2011 Report Share Posted May 29, 2011 Martha, it has been dictated by some as " internet etiquette " - because that is WHAT THEY WANT. There's no internet rulebook about etiquette, like an Post. It's not " internet etiquette " - it's someone else trying to control your behavior by guilting you usually because THEY don't want to pay for additional bandwidth to run their mailing list. If it were a rule on this forum then it would be MY decision whether to remain or not. It is not such a rule. Pam Reply-To: <sproutpeople > Date: Sun, 29 May 2011 15:09:43 -0700 To: <sproutpeople > Subject: Re: Please trim your posts! > > > > > > I appreciate that you, Pam do not wish to make a change, however it is known > as internet etiquette and on many other lists to which I am happily a > subscriber, not trimming one's posts would not fly. Our problem here on this > list is we do not have a moderator who would normally be the person monitoring > this breach of etiquette. > Not meant to offend, just to clarify another's request with my two cents > worth. > Martha > > Re: Please trim your posts! > > I have no intention of trimming my posts. Live with it. If you're on > Digest, this is NOT the way this forum will work for you most effectively. > Rather than asking all of US to make changes for you, YOU make changes for > you. > Pam > > From: bribo54 <bribo54@... <mailto:bribo54%40netscape.net> > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 29, 2011 Report Share Posted May 29, 2011 And, I'm on a number of mailing lists WITH moderators, where trimming posts is not requested or required. Again, it's not etiquette. Etiquette is not flaming your fellow posters. Etiquette is usually not copying and pasting long portions of data from other websites, particularly copyrighted websites. Trimming your posts is not etiquette. It's a convenience. With my memory, if I said I would and then forgot and didn't, .. That would be worse than saying up front hey, it's not a requirement for this list, and I'm not going to do it. Pam Reply-To: <sproutpeople > Date: Sun, 29 May 2011 15:09:43 -0700 To: <sproutpeople > Subject: Re: Please trim your posts! > > > > > > I appreciate that you, Pam do not wish to make a change, however it is known > as internet etiquette and on many other lists to which I am happily a > subscriber, not trimming one's posts would not fly. Our problem here on this > list is we do not have a moderator who would normally be the person monitoring > this breach of etiquette. > Not meant to offend, just to clarify another's request with my two cents > worth. > Martha > > Re: Please trim your posts! > > I have no intention of trimming my posts. Live with it. If you're on > Digest, this is NOT the way this forum will work for you most effectively. > Rather than asking all of US to make changes for you, YOU make changes for > you. > Pam > > From: bribo54 <bribo54@... <mailto:bribo54%40netscape.net> > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 29, 2011 Report Share Posted May 29, 2011 LOL, and by defining it as " an internet etiquette " - it sure looks like you're trying to guilt people into behaviors that they may or may not be willing to do. Pam Reply-To: <sproutpeople > Date: Sun, 29 May 2011 15:09:43 -0700 To: <sproutpeople > Subject: Re: Please trim your posts! > > > > > > I appreciate that you, Pam do not wish to make a change, however it is known > as internet etiquette and on many other lists to which I am happily a > subscriber, not trimming one's posts would not fly. Our problem here on this > list is we do not have a moderator who would normally be the person monitoring > this breach of etiquette. > Not meant to offend, just to clarify another's request with my two cents > worth. > Martha > > Re: Please trim your posts! > > I have no intention of trimming my posts. Live with it. If you're on > Digest, this is NOT the way this forum will work for you most effectively. > Rather than asking all of US to make changes for you, YOU make changes for > you. > Pam > > From: bribo54 <bribo54@... <mailto:bribo54%40netscape.net> > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 29, 2011 Report Share Posted May 29, 2011 EVERY group I am on, You have to trim your posts, Or you would not be able to post. The moderator would just delete it. I never seen anyone be so rude, Really and I am on 6 groups...wow the best thing to do is just ignore her and not respond to any of her posts. shrugs to bad. Subject: Re: Please trim your posts! To: sproutpeople Date: Sunday, May 29, 2011, 6:00 PM Â LOL, and by defining it as " an internet etiquette " - it sure looks like you're trying to guilt people into behaviors that they may or may not be willing to do. Pam Reply-To: <sproutpeople > Date: Sun, 29 May 2011 15:09:43 -0700 To: <sproutpeople > Subject: Re: Please trim your posts! > > > > > > I appreciate that you, Pam do not wish to make a change, however it is known > as internet etiquette and on many other lists to which I am happily a > subscriber, not trimming one's posts would not fly. Our problem here on this > list is we do not have a moderator who would normally be the person monitoring > this breach of etiquette. > Not meant to offend, just to clarify another's request with my two cents > worth. > Martha > > Re: Please trim your posts! > > I have no intention of trimming my posts. Live with it. If you're on > Digest, this is NOT the way this forum will work for you most effectively. > Rather than asking all of US to make changes for you, YOU make changes for > you. > Pam > > From: bribo54 <bribo54@... <mailto:bribo54%40netscape.net> > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 29, 2011 Report Share Posted May 29, 2011 whoops then I forgot to..sorry!!! I was working and just couldnt help myself, not to put my two cents in...The deal is...it wasn't on purpose, and not done to thumb my nose at others... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 29, 2011 Report Share Posted May 29, 2011 Here's a link that should be helpful: http://www.marthas-web.com/trimming-posts.htm Jane > LOL, and by defining it as " an internet etiquette " - it sure looks > like > you're trying to guilt people into behaviors that they may or may > not be > willing to do. > Pam > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 29, 2011 Report Share Posted May 29, 2011 And this is specific to " martha's-web, " Jane, - not to us. I am on many more than 6 lists (I think my yahoo groups are over 20, and I am on groups that are not yahoo bound) and actually moderate 2 different forums. Trust me, I know of which I speak. Those who wish to trim their posts please, go for it! If you trim too much, 'I' won't be able to figure out what you're referring to, but, hey, I can delete those posts. Those who are unable or unwilling to trim, don't feel guilty. Back to sprouting. Pam Reply-To: <sproutpeople > Date: Sun, 29 May 2011 19:16:56 -0400 To: <sproutpeople > Subject: Re: Please trim your posts! > > > > > > Here's a link that should be helpful: > http://www.marthas-web.com/trimming-posts.htm > > Jane > > >> > LOL, and by defining it as " an internet etiquette " - it sure looks >> > like >> > you're trying to guilt people into behaviors that they may or may >> > not be >> > willing to do. >> > Pam >> > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 29, 2011 Report Share Posted May 29, 2011 And this is specific to " martha's-web, " Jane, - not to us. I am on many more than 6 lists (I think my yahoo groups are over 20, and I am on groups that are not yahoo bound) and actually moderate 2 different forums. Trust me, I know of which I speak. Those who wish to trim their posts please, go for it! If you trim too much, 'I' won't be able to figure out what you're referring to, but, hey, I can delete those posts. Those who are unable or unwilling to trim, don't feel guilty. Back to sprouting. Pam Reply-To: <sproutpeople > Date: Sun, 29 May 2011 19:16:56 -0400 To: <sproutpeople > Subject: Re: Please trim your posts! > > > > > > Here's a link that should be helpful: > http://www.marthas-web.com/trimming-posts.htm > > Jane > > >> > LOL, and by defining it as " an internet etiquette " - it sure looks >> > like >> > you're trying to guilt people into behaviors that they may or may >> > not be >> > willing to do. >> > Pam >> > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 29, 2011 Report Share Posted May 29, 2011 Up to now, I have kept out of this repeated…ad nauseum…argument. But, I feel the need to speak my mind. I do so as a LONG time email group participant. Is it netiquette to trim one’s posts? My personal opinion is, yes. Just as it is netiquette not to YELL AT PEOPLE (because it makes reading a response difficult), I think it is polite manners to trim one’s post leaving just enough of the post you are responding to for the reader to have context to your answer. Polite social behaviors are sociologically important even in the cyber society. And, think of it this way…simply trimming your posts take much less energy than these continued arguments. Is it required for folks on this particular list to trim their posts? Unfortunately, no. Nor is it required that the subject line be changed when the conversation turns in a new direction. The poor reader must simply suffer through opening each email to determine if they wish to read it. All quite annoying and ill-mannered but one must either bear it or leave the group. Considering the low percentage of usable information posted to this group, one might desire to ask oneself if it is worth staying. I ask myself that question frequently. Mostly I stay because the personalities are amusing (laughter is good medicine) and I’m too busy to go to the group page to unsub…. Perhaps the problem is simply that there is not much to say about sprouting…or because a few personalities have hijacked the list and demand their own way about things…or because selfishness is the American Way now, unfortunately. I read often when these arguments come up how it is the problem of the complainer who is being terribly selfish to request kindness from the group. That attitude I find…distasteful and arrogant and obnoxious to be honest. To the complainers may I make a suggestion? Either unsub, tolerate, or find a way to be as annoying as the ones annoying you….it seems that childishly selfish behavior is as much a feature of this list as trimming one’s posts is on all the other lists so when in Rome…. Okay, I’ve said my bit….and, quite un-Southern-Lady about it, I will make no apology for my seeming rudeness…just trying to do as they do in Rome… Tina (stepping off the soapbox and putting on my fire-retardant suit) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 29, 2011 Report Share Posted May 29, 2011 Up to now, I have kept out of this repeated…ad nauseum…argument. But, I feel the need to speak my mind. I do so as a LONG time email group participant. Is it netiquette to trim one’s posts? My personal opinion is, yes. Just as it is netiquette not to YELL AT PEOPLE (because it makes reading a response difficult), I think it is polite manners to trim one’s post leaving just enough of the post you are responding to for the reader to have context to your answer. Polite social behaviors are sociologically important even in the cyber society. And, think of it this way…simply trimming your posts take much less energy than these continued arguments. Is it required for folks on this particular list to trim their posts? Unfortunately, no. Nor is it required that the subject line be changed when the conversation turns in a new direction. The poor reader must simply suffer through opening each email to determine if they wish to read it. All quite annoying and ill-mannered but one must either bear it or leave the group. Considering the low percentage of usable information posted to this group, one might desire to ask oneself if it is worth staying. I ask myself that question frequently. Mostly I stay because the personalities are amusing (laughter is good medicine) and I’m too busy to go to the group page to unsub…. Perhaps the problem is simply that there is not much to say about sprouting…or because a few personalities have hijacked the list and demand their own way about things…or because selfishness is the American Way now, unfortunately. I read often when these arguments come up how it is the problem of the complainer who is being terribly selfish to request kindness from the group. That attitude I find…distasteful and arrogant and obnoxious to be honest. To the complainers may I make a suggestion? Either unsub, tolerate, or find a way to be as annoying as the ones annoying you….it seems that childishly selfish behavior is as much a feature of this list as trimming one’s posts is on all the other lists so when in Rome…. Okay, I’ve said my bit….and, quite un-Southern-Lady about it, I will make no apology for my seeming rudeness…just trying to do as they do in Rome… Tina (stepping off the soapbox and putting on my fire-retardant suit) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 29, 2011 Report Share Posted May 29, 2011 LOL, , gonna slap my hand by suggesting a shunning. You still haven't gotten it! Tell you what, YOU can ignore my posts. How about allowing others to make their own decisions? Pam Reply-To: <sproutpeople > Date: Sun, 29 May 2011 16:07:45 -0700 (PDT) To: <sproutpeople > Subject: Re: Please trim your posts! > > > > > > EVERY group I am on, You have to trim your posts, Or you would not be able to > post. The moderator would just delete it. I never seen anyone be so rude, > Really and I am on 6 groups...wow the best thing to do is just ignore her and > not respond to any of her posts. shrugs to bad. > > > > From: Pam Gotcher <pam@... <mailto:pam%40gotcher.us> > > Subject: Re: Please trim your posts! > To: sproutpeople <mailto:sproutpeople%40yahoogroups.com> > Date: Sunday, May 29, 2011, 6:00 PM > > > > LOL, and by defining it as " an internet etiquette " - it sure looks like > > you're trying to guilt people into behaviors that they may or may not be > > willing to do. > > Pam > > From: Martha Zetter <nutritionideas4you@... > <mailto:nutritionideas4you%40sbcglobal.net> > > > Reply-To: <sproutpeople > <mailto:sproutpeople%40yahoogroups.com> > > > Date: Sun, 29 May 2011 15:09:43 -0700 > > To: <sproutpeople <mailto:sproutpeople%40yahoogroups.com> > > > Subject: Re: Please trim your posts! > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > I appreciate that you, Pam do not wish to make a change, however it is >> known > >> > as internet etiquette and on many other lists to which I am happily a > >> > subscriber, not trimming one's posts would not fly. Our problem here on >> this > >> > list is we do not have a moderator who would normally be the person >> monitoring > >> > this breach of etiquette. > >> > Not meant to offend, just to clarify another's request with my two cents > >> > worth. > >> > Martha > >> > > >> > Re: Please trim your posts! > >> > > >> > I have no intention of trimming my posts. Live with it. If you're on > >> > Digest, this is NOT the way this forum will work for you most effectively. > >> > Rather than asking all of US to make changes for you, YOU make changes for > >> > you. > >> > Pam > >> > > >> > From: bribo54 <bribo54@... <mailto:bribo54%40netscape.net> >> <mailto:bribo54%40netscape.net> > > >> > > >> > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 29, 2011 Report Share Posted May 29, 2011 LOL, , gonna slap my hand by suggesting a shunning. You still haven't gotten it! Tell you what, YOU can ignore my posts. How about allowing others to make their own decisions? Pam Reply-To: <sproutpeople > Date: Sun, 29 May 2011 16:07:45 -0700 (PDT) To: <sproutpeople > Subject: Re: Please trim your posts! > > > > > > EVERY group I am on, You have to trim your posts, Or you would not be able to > post. The moderator would just delete it. I never seen anyone be so rude, > Really and I am on 6 groups...wow the best thing to do is just ignore her and > not respond to any of her posts. shrugs to bad. > > > > From: Pam Gotcher <pam@... <mailto:pam%40gotcher.us> > > Subject: Re: Please trim your posts! > To: sproutpeople <mailto:sproutpeople%40yahoogroups.com> > Date: Sunday, May 29, 2011, 6:00 PM > > > > LOL, and by defining it as " an internet etiquette " - it sure looks like > > you're trying to guilt people into behaviors that they may or may not be > > willing to do. > > Pam > > From: Martha Zetter <nutritionideas4you@... > <mailto:nutritionideas4you%40sbcglobal.net> > > > Reply-To: <sproutpeople > <mailto:sproutpeople%40yahoogroups.com> > > > Date: Sun, 29 May 2011 15:09:43 -0700 > > To: <sproutpeople <mailto:sproutpeople%40yahoogroups.com> > > > Subject: Re: Please trim your posts! > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > I appreciate that you, Pam do not wish to make a change, however it is >> known > >> > as internet etiquette and on many other lists to which I am happily a > >> > subscriber, not trimming one's posts would not fly. Our problem here on >> this > >> > list is we do not have a moderator who would normally be the person >> monitoring > >> > this breach of etiquette. > >> > Not meant to offend, just to clarify another's request with my two cents > >> > worth. > >> > Martha > >> > > >> > Re: Please trim your posts! > >> > > >> > I have no intention of trimming my posts. Live with it. If you're on > >> > Digest, this is NOT the way this forum will work for you most effectively. > >> > Rather than asking all of US to make changes for you, YOU make changes for > >> > you. > >> > Pam > >> > > >> > From: bribo54 <bribo54@... <mailto:bribo54%40netscape.net> >> <mailto:bribo54%40netscape.net> > > >> > > >> > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 29, 2011 Report Share Posted May 29, 2011 No, Tina, I don't find the poster requesting kindness. If that were the case, my response would be different. There's more of a judgment and control issue here, and I think that until people are willing to determine what their boundaries are, and what their responsibilities are, then we will continue to have this issue. At one time I requested that people reflect changes in the thread in the subject area of their posts when a thread drifted. The response was a suggestion on how I could make the mac search function work for me (for which I was grateful). It's not arrogance, nor selfishness. It's an acknowledgement of human nature. At 65, I'm not going to remember to trim my posts and there are others who will not. The person who wishes the rest of us to change (or feel guilty about not following their request) - needs to look at what they can do to make the forum work for them, without trying to change others who may not be able to change. Pam Reply-To: <sproutpeople > Date: Sun, 29 May 2011 19:34:11 -0400 To: <sproutpeople > Subject: RE: Please trim your posts! > > > > > > Up to now, I have kept out of this repeatedŠad nauseumŠargument. But, I feel > the need to speak my mind. I do so as a LONG time email group participant. > > Is it netiquette to trim one¹s posts? My personal opinion is, yes. Just as it > is netiquette not to YELL AT PEOPLE (because it makes reading a response > difficult), I think it is polite manners to trim one¹s post leaving just > enough of the post you are responding to for the reader to have context to > your answer. Polite social behaviors are sociologically important even in the > cyber society. And, think of it this wayŠsimply trimming your posts take much > less energy than these continued arguments. > > Is it required for folks on this particular list to trim their posts? > Unfortunately, no. Nor is it required that the subject line be changed when > the conversation turns in a new direction. The poor reader must simply suffer > through opening each email to determine if they wish to read it. All quite > annoying and ill-mannered but one must either bear it or leave the group. > Considering the low percentage of usable information posted to this group, one > might desire to ask oneself if it is worth staying. I ask myself that question > frequently. Mostly I stay because the personalities are amusing (laughter is > good medicine) and I¹m too busy to go to the group page to unsubŠ. Perhaps the > problem is simply that there is not much to say about sproutingŠor because a > few personalities have hijacked the list and demand their own way about > thingsŠor because selfishness is the American Way now, unfortunately. > > I read often when these arguments come up how it is the problem of the > complainer who is being terribly selfish to request kindness from the group. > That attitude I findŠdistasteful and arrogant and obnoxious to be honest. > > To the complainers may I make a suggestion? Either unsub, tolerate, or find a > way to be as annoying as the ones annoying youŠ.it seems that childishly > selfish behavior is as much a feature of this list as trimming one¹s posts is > on all the other lists so when in RomeŠ. > > Okay, I¹ve said my bitŠ.and, quite un-Southern-Lady about it, I will make no > apology for my seeming rudenessŠjust trying to do as they do in RomeŠ > > Tina (stepping off the soapbox and putting on my fire-retardant suit) > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 29, 2011 Report Share Posted May 29, 2011 No, Tina, I don't find the poster requesting kindness. If that were the case, my response would be different. There's more of a judgment and control issue here, and I think that until people are willing to determine what their boundaries are, and what their responsibilities are, then we will continue to have this issue. At one time I requested that people reflect changes in the thread in the subject area of their posts when a thread drifted. The response was a suggestion on how I could make the mac search function work for me (for which I was grateful). It's not arrogance, nor selfishness. It's an acknowledgement of human nature. At 65, I'm not going to remember to trim my posts and there are others who will not. The person who wishes the rest of us to change (or feel guilty about not following their request) - needs to look at what they can do to make the forum work for them, without trying to change others who may not be able to change. Pam Reply-To: <sproutpeople > Date: Sun, 29 May 2011 19:34:11 -0400 To: <sproutpeople > Subject: RE: Please trim your posts! > > > > > > Up to now, I have kept out of this repeatedŠad nauseumŠargument. But, I feel > the need to speak my mind. I do so as a LONG time email group participant. > > Is it netiquette to trim one¹s posts? My personal opinion is, yes. Just as it > is netiquette not to YELL AT PEOPLE (because it makes reading a response > difficult), I think it is polite manners to trim one¹s post leaving just > enough of the post you are responding to for the reader to have context to > your answer. Polite social behaviors are sociologically important even in the > cyber society. And, think of it this wayŠsimply trimming your posts take much > less energy than these continued arguments. > > Is it required for folks on this particular list to trim their posts? > Unfortunately, no. Nor is it required that the subject line be changed when > the conversation turns in a new direction. The poor reader must simply suffer > through opening each email to determine if they wish to read it. All quite > annoying and ill-mannered but one must either bear it or leave the group. > Considering the low percentage of usable information posted to this group, one > might desire to ask oneself if it is worth staying. I ask myself that question > frequently. Mostly I stay because the personalities are amusing (laughter is > good medicine) and I¹m too busy to go to the group page to unsubŠ. Perhaps the > problem is simply that there is not much to say about sproutingŠor because a > few personalities have hijacked the list and demand their own way about > thingsŠor because selfishness is the American Way now, unfortunately. > > I read often when these arguments come up how it is the problem of the > complainer who is being terribly selfish to request kindness from the group. > That attitude I findŠdistasteful and arrogant and obnoxious to be honest. > > To the complainers may I make a suggestion? Either unsub, tolerate, or find a > way to be as annoying as the ones annoying youŠ.it seems that childishly > selfish behavior is as much a feature of this list as trimming one¹s posts is > on all the other lists so when in RomeŠ. > > Okay, I¹ve said my bitŠ.and, quite un-Southern-Lady about it, I will make no > apology for my seeming rudenessŠjust trying to do as they do in RomeŠ > > Tina (stepping off the soapbox and putting on my fire-retardant suit) > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 29, 2011 Report Share Posted May 29, 2011 Or not willing to. How hard is it to remember to trim a post? I doubt your memory is really that poor. Lazy, perhaps. Selfish, definitely. And, one should not have to go to the group page to do a “search” to overcome the lazy unkindness of chatty list controllers who will not stay on topic or change the subject line to suit. That is pure selfishness in spades. This list truly is not worth the tolerance of spoiled children. I think reasonable adults need to leave the playground to the brats. I for one, intend to. You have all failed miserably in providing sufficient benefit to outweigh the annoyance level. Tina From: sproutpeople [mailto:sproutpeople ] On Behalf Of Pam Gotcher Sent: Sunday, May 29, 2011 8:08 PM To: sproutpeople Subject: Re: Please trim your posts! No, Tina, I don't find the poster requesting kindness. If that were the case, my response would be different. There's more of a judgment and control issue here, and I think that until people are willing to determine what their boundaries are, and what their responsibilities are, then we will continue to have this issue. At one time I requested that people reflect changes in the thread in the subject area of their posts when a thread drifted. The response was a suggestion on how I could make the mac search function work for me (for which I was grateful). It's not arrogance, nor selfishness. It's an acknowledgement of human nature. At 65, I'm not going to remember to trim my posts and there are others who will not. The person who wishes the rest of us to change (or feel guilty about not following their request) - needs to look at what they can do to make the forum work for them, without trying to change others who may not be able to change. Pam From: Tina Paxton <Frecs@... <mailto:Frecs%40atmc.net> > Reply-To: <sproutpeople <mailto:sproutpeople%40yahoogroups.com> > Date: Sun, 29 May 2011 19:34:11 -0400 To: <sproutpeople <mailto:sproutpeople%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: RE: Please trim your posts! > > > > > > Up to now, I have kept out of this repeatedÐad nauseumÐargument. But, I feel > the need to speak my mind. I do so as a LONG time email group participant. > > Is it netiquette to trim one¹s posts? My personal opinion is, yes. Just as it > is netiquette not to YELL AT PEOPLE (because it makes reading a response > difficult), I think it is polite manners to trim one¹s post leaving just > enough of the post you are responding to for the reader to have context to > your answer. Polite social behaviors are sociologically important even in the > cyber society. And, think of it this wayÐsimply trimming your posts take much > less energy than these continued arguments. > > Is it required for folks on this particular list to trim their posts? > Unfortunately, no. Nor is it required that the subject line be changed when > the conversation turns in a new direction. The poor reader must simply suffer > through opening each email to determine if they wish to read it. All quite > annoying and ill-mannered but one must either bear it or leave the group. > Considering the low percentage of usable information posted to this group, one > might desire to ask oneself if it is worth staying. I ask myself that question > frequently. Mostly I stay because the personalities are amusing (laughter is > good medicine) and I¹m too busy to go to the group page to unsubÐ. Perhaps the > problem is simply that there is not much to say about sproutingÐor because a > few personalities have hijacked the list and demand their own way about > thingsÐor because selfishness is the American Way now, unfortunately. > > I read often when these arguments come up how it is the problem of the > complainer who is being terribly selfish to request kindness from the group. > That attitude I findÐdistasteful and arrogant and obnoxious to be honest. > > To the complainers may I make a suggestion? Either unsub, tolerate, or find a > way to be as annoying as the ones annoying youÐ.it seems that childishly > selfish behavior is as much a feature of this list as trimming one¹s posts is > on all the other lists so when in RomeÐ. > > Okay, I¹ve said my bitÐ.and, quite un-Southern-Lady about it, I will make no > apology for my seeming rudenessÐjust trying to do as they do in RomeÐ > > Tina (stepping off the soapbox and putting on my fire-retardant suit) > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 29, 2011 Report Share Posted May 29, 2011 Can we all please return to sprouting. Wishing all a peaceful weekend, n Who has a craving for some fenugreek sprouts Dr. Rollings NJ Licensed Psychologist #4686 www.DrnRollings.com Sent from my iPad > Or not willing to. How hard is it to remember to trim a post? I doubt your > memory is really that poor. Lazy, perhaps. Selfish, definitely. > > > > And, one should not have to go to the group page to do a “search†to > overcome the lazy unkindness of chatty list controllers who will not stay on > topic or change the subject line to suit. That is pure selfishness in > spades. > > > > This list truly is not worth the tolerance of spoiled children. I think > reasonable adults need to leave the playground to the brats. I for one, > intend to. You have all failed miserably in providing sufficient benefit to > outweigh the annoyance level. > > > > Tina > > > > From: sproutpeople [mailto:sproutpeople ] On > Behalf Of Pam Gotcher > Sent: Sunday, May 29, 2011 8:08 PM > To: sproutpeople > Subject: Re: Please trim your posts! > > > > > > No, Tina, I don't find the poster requesting kindness. If that were the > case, my response would be different. > > There's more of a judgment and control issue here, and I think that until > people are willing to determine what their boundaries are, and what their > responsibilities are, then we will continue to have this issue. > > At one time I requested that people reflect changes in the thread in the > subject area of their posts when a thread drifted. The response was a > suggestion on how I could make the mac search function work for me (for > which I was grateful). > > It's not arrogance, nor selfishness. It's an acknowledgement of human > nature. At 65, I'm not going to remember to trim my posts and there are > others who will not. The person who wishes the rest of us to change (or > feel guilty about not following their request) - needs to look at what they > can do to make the forum work for them, without trying to change others who > may not be able to change. > > Pam > > From: Tina Paxton <Frecs@... <mailto:Frecs%40atmc.net> > > Reply-To: <sproutpeople > <mailto:sproutpeople%40yahoogroups.com> > > Date: Sun, 29 May 2011 19:34:11 -0400 > To: <sproutpeople <mailto:sproutpeople%40yahoogroups.com> > > Subject: RE: Please trim your posts! > >> >> >> >> >> >> Up to now, I have kept out of this repeatedÃad nauseumÃargument. But, I > feel >> the need to speak my mind. I do so as a LONG time email group participant. >> >> Is it netiquette to trim one¹s posts? My personal opinion is, yes. Just as > it >> is netiquette not to YELL AT PEOPLE (because it makes reading a response >> difficult), I think it is polite manners to trim one¹s post leaving just >> enough of the post you are responding to for the reader to have context to >> your answer. Polite social behaviors are sociologically important even in > the >> cyber society. And, think of it this wayÃsimply trimming your posts take > much >> less energy than these continued arguments. >> >> Is it required for folks on this particular list to trim their posts? >> Unfortunately, no. Nor is it required that the subject line be changed > when >> the conversation turns in a new direction. The poor reader must simply > suffer >> through opening each email to determine if they wish to read it. All quite >> annoying and ill-mannered but one must either bear it or leave the group. >> Considering the low percentage of usable information posted to this group, > one >> might desire to ask oneself if it is worth staying. I ask myself that > question >> frequently. Mostly I stay because the personalities are amusing (laughter > is >> good medicine) and I¹m too busy to go to the group page to unsubÃ. Perhaps > the >> problem is simply that there is not much to say about sproutingÃor because > a >> few personalities have hijacked the list and demand their own way about >> thingsÃor because selfishness is the American Way now, unfortunately. >> >> I read often when these arguments come up how it is the problem of the >> complainer who is being terribly selfish to request kindness from the > group. >> That attitude I findÃdistasteful and arrogant and obnoxious to be honest. >> >> To the complainers may I make a suggestion? Either unsub, tolerate, or > find a >> way to be as annoying as the ones annoying youÃ.it seems that childishly >> selfish behavior is as much a feature of this list as trimming one¹s posts > is >> on all the other lists so when in RomeÃ. >> >> Okay, I¹ve said my bitÃ.and, quite un-Southern-Lady about it, I will make > no >> apology for my seeming rudenessÃjust trying to do as they do in Romeà >> >> Tina (stepping off the soapbox and putting on my fire-retardant suit) >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 29, 2011 Report Share Posted May 29, 2011 Goodbye, then! When you get to 65, you can email me about your memory issues (or not), and boundary issues - LOL. Or the lessons you might have learned in judging your fellowmen. You have no experience of me personally to know whether I'm lazy or selfish. You are making those judgments based on projections of yourself. If you did X, then you would be Y or Z. When you know me personally, then, you can make that decision. Take care, Pam >Or not willing to. How hard is it to remember to trim a post? I doubt your >memory is really that poor. Lazy, perhaps. Selfish, definitely. > > > >And, one should not have to go to the group page to do a „search‰ to >overcome the lazy unkindness of chatty list controllers who will not stay >on >topic or change the subject line to suit. That is pure selfishness in >spades. > > > >This list truly is not worth the tolerance of spoiled children. I think >reasonable adults need to leave the playground to the brats. I for one, >intend to. You have all failed miserably in providing sufficient benefit >to >outweigh the annoyance level. > > > >Tina > > > >From: sproutpeople [mailto:sproutpeople ] >On >Behalf Of Pam Gotcher >Sent: Sunday, May 29, 2011 8:08 PM >To: sproutpeople >Subject: Re: Please trim your posts! > > > > > >No, Tina, I don't find the poster requesting kindness. If that were the >case, my response would be different. > >There's more of a judgment and control issue here, and I think that until >people are willing to determine what their boundaries are, and what their >responsibilities are, then we will continue to have this issue. > >At one time I requested that people reflect changes in the thread in the >subject area of their posts when a thread drifted. The response was a >suggestion on how I could make the mac search function work for me (for >which I was grateful). > >It's not arrogance, nor selfishness. It's an acknowledgement of human >nature. At 65, I'm not going to remember to trim my posts – and there are >others who will not. The person who wishes the rest of us to change (or >feel guilty about not following their request) - needs to look at what >they >can do to make the forum work for them, without trying to change others >who >may not be able to change. > >Pam > >From: Tina Paxton <Frecs@... <mailto:Frecs%40atmc.net> > >Reply-To: <sproutpeople ><mailto:sproutpeople%40yahoogroups.com> > >Date: Sun, 29 May 2011 19:34:11 -0400 >To: <sproutpeople <mailto:sproutpeople%40yahoogroups.com> >> >Subject: RE: Please trim your posts! > >> >> >> >> >> >> Up to now, I have kept out of this repeated‹ad nauseum‹argument. But, I >feel >> the need to speak my mind. I do so as a LONG time email group >>participant. >> >> Is it netiquette to trim one’s posts? My personal opinion is, yes. Just >>as >it >> is netiquette not to YELL AT PEOPLE (because it makes reading a response >> difficult), I think it is polite manners to trim one’s post leaving just >> enough of the post you are responding to for the reader to have context >>to >> your answer. Polite social behaviors are sociologically important even >>in >the >> cyber society. And, think of it this way‹simply trimming your posts take >much >> less energy than these continued arguments. >> >> Is it required for folks on this particular list to trim their posts? >> Unfortunately, no. Nor is it required that the subject line be changed >when >> the conversation turns in a new direction. The poor reader must simply >suffer >> through opening each email to determine if they wish to read it. All >>quite >> annoying and ill-mannered but one must either bear it or leave the >>group. >> Considering the low percentage of usable information posted to this >>group, >one >> might desire to ask oneself if it is worth staying. I ask myself that >question >> frequently. Mostly I stay because the personalities are amusing >>(laughter >is >> good medicine) and I’m too busy to go to the group page to unsub‹. >>Perhaps >the >> problem is simply that there is not much to say about sprouting‹or >>because >a >> few personalities have hijacked the list and demand their own way about >> things‹or because selfishness is the American Way now, unfortunately. >> >> I read often when these arguments come up how it is the problem of the >> complainer who is being terribly selfish to request kindness from the >group. >> That attitude I find‹distasteful and arrogant and obnoxious to be >>honest. >> >> To the complainers may I make a suggestion? Either unsub, tolerate, or >find a >> way to be as annoying as the ones annoying you‹.it seems that childishly >> selfish behavior is as much a feature of this list as trimming one’s >>posts >is >> on all the other lists so when in Rome‹. >> >> Okay, I’ve said my bit‹.and, quite un-Southern-Lady about it, I will >>make >no >> apology for my seeming rudeness‹just trying to do as they do in Rome‹ >> >> Tina (stepping off the soapbox and putting on my fire-retardant suit) >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 29, 2011 Report Share Posted May 29, 2011 I'm willing, n! Pam Reply-To: <sproutpeople > Date: Sun, 29 May 2011 20:20:59 -0400 To: " sproutpeople " <sproutpeople > Subject: Re: Please trim your posts! > > > > > > > Can we all please return to sprouting. > Wishing all a peaceful weekend, > n > Who has a craving for some fenugreek sprouts > > Dr. Rollings > > NJ Licensed Psychologist #4686 > www.DrnRollings.com > > Sent from my iPad > > On May 29, 2011, at 8:15 PM, " Tina Paxton " <Frecs@... > <mailto:Frecs%40atmc.net> > wrote: > >> > Or not willing to. How hard is it to remember to trim a post? I doubt your >> > memory is really that poor. Lazy, perhaps. Selfish, definitely. >> > >> > >> > >> > And, one should not have to go to the group page to do a ¡°search¡± to >> > overcome the lazy unkindness of chatty list controllers who will not stay >> on >> > topic or change the subject line to suit. That is pure selfishness in >> > spades. >> > >> > >> > >> > This list truly is not worth the tolerance of spoiled children. I think >> > reasonable adults need to leave the playground to the brats. I for one, >> > intend to. You have all failed miserably in providing sufficient benefit to >> > outweigh the annoyance level. >> > >> > >> > >> > Tina >> > >> > >> > >> > From: sproutpeople <mailto:sproutpeople%40yahoogroups.com> >> [mailto:sproutpeople <mailto:sproutpeople%40yahoogroups.com> >> ] On >> > Behalf Of Pam Gotcher >> > Sent: Sunday, May 29, 2011 8:08 PM >> > To: sproutpeople <mailto:sproutpeople%40yahoogroups.com> >> > Subject: Re: Please trim your posts! >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > No, Tina, I don't find the poster requesting kindness. If that were the >> > case, my response would be different. >> > >> > There's more of a judgment and control issue here, and I think that until >> > people are willing to determine what their boundaries are, and what their >> > responsibilities are, then we will continue to have this issue. >> > >> > At one time I requested that people reflect changes in the thread in the >> > subject area of their posts when a thread drifted. The response was a >> > suggestion on how I could make the mac search function work for me (for >> > which I was grateful). >> > >> > It's not arrogance, nor selfishness. It's an acknowledgement of human >> > nature. At 65, I'm not going to remember to trim my posts and there are >> > others who will not. The person who wishes the rest of us to change (or >> > feel guilty about not following their request) - needs to look at what they >> > can do to make the forum work for them, without trying to change others who >> > may not be able to change. >> > >> > Pam >> > >> > From: Tina Paxton <Frecs@... <mailto:Frecs%40atmc.net> >> <mailto:Frecs%40atmc.net> > >> > Reply-To: <sproutpeople >> <mailto:sproutpeople%40yahoogroups.com> >> > <mailto:sproutpeople%40yahoogroups.com> > >> > Date: Sun, 29 May 2011 19:34:11 -0400 >> > To: <sproutpeople <mailto:sproutpeople%40yahoogroups.com> >> <mailto:sproutpeople%40yahoogroups.com> > >> > Subject: RE: Please trim your posts! >> > >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> Up to now, I have kept out of this repeated¨¢ad nauseum¨¢argument. But, I >> > feel >>> >> the need to speak my mind. I do so as a LONG time email group >>> participant. >>> >> >>> >> Is it netiquette to trim one©ös posts? My personal opinion is, yes. Just as >> > it >>> >> is netiquette not to YELL AT PEOPLE (because it makes reading a response >>> >> difficult), I think it is polite manners to trim one©ös post leaving just >>> >> enough of the post you are responding to for the reader to have context to >>> >> your answer. Polite social behaviors are sociologically important even in >> > the >>> >> cyber society. And, think of it this way¨¢simply trimming your posts take >> > much >>> >> less energy than these continued arguments. >>> >> >>> >> Is it required for folks on this particular list to trim their posts? >>> >> Unfortunately, no. Nor is it required that the subject line be changed >> > when >>> >> the conversation turns in a new direction. The poor reader must simply >> > suffer >>> >> through opening each email to determine if they wish to read it. All >>> quite >>> >> annoying and ill-mannered but one must either bear it or leave the group. >>> >> Considering the low percentage of usable information posted to this >>> group, >> > one >>> >> might desire to ask oneself if it is worth staying. I ask myself that >> > question >>> >> frequently. Mostly I stay because the personalities are amusing (laughter >> > is >>> >> good medicine) and I©öm too busy to go to the group page to unsub¨¢. >>> Perhaps >> > the >>> >> problem is simply that there is not much to say about sprouting¨¢or >>> because >> > a >>> >> few personalities have hijacked the list and demand their own way about >>> >> things¨¢or because selfishness is the American Way now, unfortunately. >>> >> >>> >> I read often when these arguments come up how it is the problem of the >>> >> complainer who is being terribly selfish to request kindness from the >> > group. >>> >> That attitude I find¨¢distasteful and arrogant and obnoxious to be honest. >>> >> >>> >> To the complainers may I make a suggestion? Either unsub, tolerate, or >> > find a >>> >> way to be as annoying as the ones annoying you¨¢.it seems that childishly >>> >> selfish behavior is as much a feature of this list as trimming one©ös >>> posts >> > is >>> >> on all the other lists so when in Rome¨¢. >>> >> >>> >> Okay, I©öve said my bit¨¢.and, quite un-Southern-Lady about it, I will make >> > no >>> >> apology for my seeming rudeness¨¢just trying to do as they do in Rome¨¢ >>> >> >>> >> Tina (stepping off the soapbox and putting on my fire-retardant suit) >>> >> >>> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 29, 2011 Report Share Posted May 29, 2011 > > > Can we all please return to sprouting. > Wishing all a peaceful weekend, > n > Who has a craving for some fenugreek sprouts > > Dr. Rollings > Fenugreek is the best in my opinion. I realized the other day that 50% of the sprouts I make are fenugreek. On a side note...question n...my planting of herbs in my Aero garden are just about played out. Have you tried any of the others ? Lettuce for example. I want to order my next set and am unsure if I want more herbs or to try a lettuce blend , maybe with some of the new lettuces. Its sure nice knowing I have another day before going back to work. Lorri in NH Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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