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In the last post I received, Melody wrote 3 lines, but her post was over 400

lines long! Please don't just hit reply, use cut and paste or delete , rather

than sending the entire string of posts just so you can add a few lines.

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I have no intention of trimming my posts. Live with it. If you're on

Digest, this is NOT the way this forum will work for you most effectively.

Rather than asking all of US to make changes for you, YOU make changes for

you.

Pam

Reply-To: <sproutpeople >

Date: Sat, 28 May 2011 02:33:14 -0000

To: <sproutpeople >

Subject: Please trim your posts!

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> In the last post I received, Melody wrote 3 lines, but her post was over 400

> lines long! Please don't just hit reply, use cut and paste or delete , rather

> than sending the entire string of posts just so you can add a few lines.

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Pam, that was a rude reply. I hope you realize that there are places where

people have metered Internet service, they get a certain amount of bandwidth and

have to pay additional for every kb beyond that. But since you and I have

bandwidth to burn I guess we don't have to be concerned with how it might be for

anybody else.

Lee

> I have no intention of trimming my posts. Live with it. If you're on

> Digest, this is NOT the way this forum will work for you most effectively.

> Rather than asking all of US to make changes for you, YOU make changes for

> you.

> Pam

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Rude? No, honest. You have made a judgement, Leron, regarding my post.

That is your judgment. I made no judgement. Other than to say that on a

very busy list, doing the list as a digest is the least effective way to do

it. Those who want to continue with digest, can do so, as long as they know

it's not to their advantage -

I have no control over what the other person does or chooses to do. The

only person I have control over is myself. I am also mentally healthy

enough to realize that I'm not going to remember to trim my posts, and I

should not have to change my life based on decisions others have made about

theirs. I'm not " out to get them " - if they have limited bandwidth, where

they have to pay for more, maybe they should choose a smaller list that

doesn't have so many posts.

I lived for years with a mother and a grandmother who tried to guilt me into

submission on values they held ­ most of which were not values for me. I

don't do guilt well. I got really clear on which were my issues and which

were theirs!

This may seem rude or uncaring, but, on the whole, I look at it as healthy

and asking everyone to be responsible for themselves. They make choices.

They will have to live with those choices.

Pam

Reply-To: <sproutpeople >

Date: Sun, 29 May 2011 14:03:08 -0400

To: <sproutpeople >

Subject: Re: Please trim your posts!

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>

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> Pam, that was a rude reply. I hope you realize that there are places where

> people have metered Internet service, they get a certain amount of bandwidth

> and have to pay additional for every kb beyond that. But since you and I have

> bandwidth to burn I guess we don't have to be concerned with how it might be

> for anybody else.

> Lee

>

>

>

>> > I have no intention of trimming my posts. Live with it. If you're on

>> > Digest, this is NOT the way this forum will work for you most effectively.

>> > Rather than asking all of US to make changes for you, YOU make changes for

>> > you.

>> > Pam

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I appreciate that you, Pam do not wish to make a change, however it is known as

internet etiquette and on many other lists to which I am happily a subscriber,

not trimming one's posts would not fly. Our problem here on this list is we do

not have a moderator who would normally be the person monitoring this breach of

etiquette.

Not meant to offend, just to clarify another's request with my two cents worth.

Martha

Re: Please trim your posts!

I have no intention of trimming my posts. Live with it. If you're on

Digest, this is NOT the way this forum will work for you most effectively.

Rather than asking all of US to make changes for you, YOU make changes for

you.

Pam

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Thank you Pam. I don't think people should stop posting individual emails

just because that's the way I CHOOSE to receive them.

Beverly

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Please trim your posts!

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> In the last post I received, Melody wrote 3 lines, but her post was over

> 400

> lines long! Please don't just hit reply, use cut and paste or delete ,

> rather

> than sending the entire string of posts just so you can add a few lines.

>

>

>

> __._,_

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Martha, it has been dictated by some as " internet etiquette " - because that

is WHAT THEY WANT. There's no internet rulebook about etiquette, like an

Post. It's not " internet etiquette " - it's someone else trying to

control your behavior by guilting you ­ usually because THEY don't want to

pay for additional bandwidth to run their mailing list. If it were a rule

on this forum then it would be MY decision whether to remain or not. It is

not such a rule.

Pam

Reply-To: <sproutpeople >

Date: Sun, 29 May 2011 15:09:43 -0700

To: <sproutpeople >

Subject: Re: Please trim your posts!

>

>

>

>

>

> I appreciate that you, Pam do not wish to make a change, however it is known

> as internet etiquette and on many other lists to which I am happily a

> subscriber, not trimming one's posts would not fly. Our problem here on this

> list is we do not have a moderator who would normally be the person monitoring

> this breach of etiquette.

> Not meant to offend, just to clarify another's request with my two cents

> worth.

> Martha

>

> Re: Please trim your posts!

>

> I have no intention of trimming my posts. Live with it. If you're on

> Digest, this is NOT the way this forum will work for you most effectively.

> Rather than asking all of US to make changes for you, YOU make changes for

> you.

> Pam

>

> From: bribo54 <bribo54@... <mailto:bribo54%40netscape.net> >

>

>

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And, I'm on a number of mailing lists WITH moderators, where trimming posts

is not requested or required.

Again, it's not etiquette. Etiquette is not flaming your fellow posters.

Etiquette is usually not copying and pasting long portions of data from

other websites, particularly copyrighted websites.

Trimming your posts is not etiquette. It's a convenience. With my memory,

if I said I would and then forgot and didn't, .. That would be worse than

saying up front ­ hey, it's not a requirement for this list, and I'm not

going to do it.

Pam

Reply-To: <sproutpeople >

Date: Sun, 29 May 2011 15:09:43 -0700

To: <sproutpeople >

Subject: Re: Please trim your posts!

>

>

>

>

>

> I appreciate that you, Pam do not wish to make a change, however it is known

> as internet etiquette and on many other lists to which I am happily a

> subscriber, not trimming one's posts would not fly. Our problem here on this

> list is we do not have a moderator who would normally be the person monitoring

> this breach of etiquette.

> Not meant to offend, just to clarify another's request with my two cents

> worth.

> Martha

>

> Re: Please trim your posts!

>

> I have no intention of trimming my posts. Live with it. If you're on

> Digest, this is NOT the way this forum will work for you most effectively.

> Rather than asking all of US to make changes for you, YOU make changes for

> you.

> Pam

>

> From: bribo54 <bribo54@... <mailto:bribo54%40netscape.net> >

>

>

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LOL, and by defining it as " an internet etiquette " - it sure looks like

you're trying to guilt people into behaviors that they may or may not be

willing to do.

Pam

Reply-To: <sproutpeople >

Date: Sun, 29 May 2011 15:09:43 -0700

To: <sproutpeople >

Subject: Re: Please trim your posts!

>

>

>

>

>

> I appreciate that you, Pam do not wish to make a change, however it is known

> as internet etiquette and on many other lists to which I am happily a

> subscriber, not trimming one's posts would not fly. Our problem here on this

> list is we do not have a moderator who would normally be the person monitoring

> this breach of etiquette.

> Not meant to offend, just to clarify another's request with my two cents

> worth.

> Martha

>

> Re: Please trim your posts!

>

> I have no intention of trimming my posts. Live with it. If you're on

> Digest, this is NOT the way this forum will work for you most effectively.

> Rather than asking all of US to make changes for you, YOU make changes for

> you.

> Pam

>

> From: bribo54 <bribo54@... <mailto:bribo54%40netscape.net> >

>

>

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EVERY group I am on, You have to trim your posts, Or you would not be able to

post. The moderator would just delete it. I never seen anyone be so rude, Really

and I am on 6 groups...wow the best thing to do is just ignore her and not

respond to any of her posts. shrugs to bad.

Subject: Re: Please trim your posts!

To: sproutpeople

Date: Sunday, May 29, 2011, 6:00 PM

 

LOL, and by defining it as " an internet etiquette " - it sure looks like

you're trying to guilt people into behaviors that they may or may not be

willing to do.

Pam

Reply-To: <sproutpeople >

Date: Sun, 29 May 2011 15:09:43 -0700

To: <sproutpeople >

Subject: Re: Please trim your posts!

>

>

>

>

>

> I appreciate that you, Pam do not wish to make a change, however it is known

> as internet etiquette and on many other lists to which I am happily a

> subscriber, not trimming one's posts would not fly. Our problem here on this

> list is we do not have a moderator who would normally be the person monitoring

> this breach of etiquette.

> Not meant to offend, just to clarify another's request with my two cents

> worth.

> Martha

>

> Re: Please trim your posts!

>

> I have no intention of trimming my posts. Live with it. If you're on

> Digest, this is NOT the way this forum will work for you most effectively.

> Rather than asking all of US to make changes for you, YOU make changes for

> you.

> Pam

>

> From: bribo54 <bribo54@... <mailto:bribo54%40netscape.net> >

>

>

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whoops then I forgot to..sorry!!! I was working and just couldnt help myself,

not to put my two cents in...The deal is...it wasn't on purpose, and not done to

thumb my nose at others...

 

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And this is specific to " martha's-web, " Jane, - not to us.

I am on many more than 6 lists (I think my yahoo groups are over 20, and I

am on groups that are not yahoo bound) and actually moderate 2 different

forums. Trust me, I know of which I speak.

Those who wish to trim their posts ­ please, go for it! If you trim too

much, 'I' won't be able to figure out what you're referring to, but, hey, I

can delete those posts. Those who are unable or unwilling to trim, don't

feel guilty.

Back to sprouting.

Pam

Reply-To: <sproutpeople >

Date: Sun, 29 May 2011 19:16:56 -0400

To: <sproutpeople >

Subject: Re: Please trim your posts!

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>

>

>

>

> Here's a link that should be helpful:

> http://www.marthas-web.com/trimming-posts.htm

>

> Jane

>

>

>> > LOL, and by defining it as " an internet etiquette " - it sure looks

>> > like

>> > you're trying to guilt people into behaviors that they may or may

>> > not be

>> > willing to do.

>> > Pam

>> >

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And this is specific to " martha's-web, " Jane, - not to us.

I am on many more than 6 lists (I think my yahoo groups are over 20, and I

am on groups that are not yahoo bound) and actually moderate 2 different

forums. Trust me, I know of which I speak.

Those who wish to trim their posts ­ please, go for it! If you trim too

much, 'I' won't be able to figure out what you're referring to, but, hey, I

can delete those posts. Those who are unable or unwilling to trim, don't

feel guilty.

Back to sprouting.

Pam

Reply-To: <sproutpeople >

Date: Sun, 29 May 2011 19:16:56 -0400

To: <sproutpeople >

Subject: Re: Please trim your posts!

>

>

>

>

>

> Here's a link that should be helpful:

> http://www.marthas-web.com/trimming-posts.htm

>

> Jane

>

>

>> > LOL, and by defining it as " an internet etiquette " - it sure looks

>> > like

>> > you're trying to guilt people into behaviors that they may or may

>> > not be

>> > willing to do.

>> > Pam

>> >

>

>

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Up to now, I have kept out of this repeated…ad nauseum…argument. But, I feel

the need to speak my mind. I do so as a LONG time email group participant.

Is it netiquette to trim one’s posts? My personal opinion is, yes. Just as it

is netiquette not to YELL AT PEOPLE (because it makes reading a response

difficult), I think it is polite manners to trim one’s post leaving just

enough of the post you are responding to for the reader to have context to your

answer. Polite social behaviors are sociologically important even in the cyber

society. And, think of it this way…simply trimming your posts take much less

energy than these continued arguments.

Is it required for folks on this particular list to trim their posts?

Unfortunately, no. Nor is it required that the subject line be changed when the

conversation turns in a new direction. The poor reader must simply suffer

through opening each email to determine if they wish to read it. All quite

annoying and ill-mannered but one must either bear it or leave the group.

Considering the low percentage of usable information posted to this group, one

might desire to ask oneself if it is worth staying. I ask myself that question

frequently. Mostly I stay because the personalities are amusing (laughter is

good medicine) and I’m too busy to go to the group page to unsub…. Perhaps

the problem is simply that there is not much to say about sprouting…or because

a few personalities have hijacked the list and demand their own way about

things…or because selfishness is the American Way now, unfortunately.

I read often when these arguments come up how it is the problem of the

complainer who is being terribly selfish to request kindness from the group.

That attitude I find…distasteful and arrogant and obnoxious to be honest.

To the complainers may I make a suggestion? Either unsub, tolerate, or find a

way to be as annoying as the ones annoying you….it seems that childishly

selfish behavior is as much a feature of this list as trimming one’s posts is

on all the other lists so when in Rome….

Okay, I’ve said my bit….and, quite un-Southern-Lady about it, I will make no

apology for my seeming rudeness…just trying to do as they do in Rome…

Tina (stepping off the soapbox and putting on my fire-retardant suit)

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Up to now, I have kept out of this repeated…ad nauseum…argument. But, I feel

the need to speak my mind. I do so as a LONG time email group participant.

Is it netiquette to trim one’s posts? My personal opinion is, yes. Just as it

is netiquette not to YELL AT PEOPLE (because it makes reading a response

difficult), I think it is polite manners to trim one’s post leaving just

enough of the post you are responding to for the reader to have context to your

answer. Polite social behaviors are sociologically important even in the cyber

society. And, think of it this way…simply trimming your posts take much less

energy than these continued arguments.

Is it required for folks on this particular list to trim their posts?

Unfortunately, no. Nor is it required that the subject line be changed when the

conversation turns in a new direction. The poor reader must simply suffer

through opening each email to determine if they wish to read it. All quite

annoying and ill-mannered but one must either bear it or leave the group.

Considering the low percentage of usable information posted to this group, one

might desire to ask oneself if it is worth staying. I ask myself that question

frequently. Mostly I stay because the personalities are amusing (laughter is

good medicine) and I’m too busy to go to the group page to unsub…. Perhaps

the problem is simply that there is not much to say about sprouting…or because

a few personalities have hijacked the list and demand their own way about

things…or because selfishness is the American Way now, unfortunately.

I read often when these arguments come up how it is the problem of the

complainer who is being terribly selfish to request kindness from the group.

That attitude I find…distasteful and arrogant and obnoxious to be honest.

To the complainers may I make a suggestion? Either unsub, tolerate, or find a

way to be as annoying as the ones annoying you….it seems that childishly

selfish behavior is as much a feature of this list as trimming one’s posts is

on all the other lists so when in Rome….

Okay, I’ve said my bit….and, quite un-Southern-Lady about it, I will make no

apology for my seeming rudeness…just trying to do as they do in Rome…

Tina (stepping off the soapbox and putting on my fire-retardant suit)

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LOL, , gonna slap my hand by suggesting a shunning. You still haven't

gotten it!

Tell you what, YOU can ignore my posts. How about allowing others to make

their own decisions?

Pam

Reply-To: <sproutpeople >

Date: Sun, 29 May 2011 16:07:45 -0700 (PDT)

To: <sproutpeople >

Subject: Re: Please trim your posts!

>

>

>

>

>

> EVERY group I am on, You have to trim your posts, Or you would not be able to

> post. The moderator would just delete it. I never seen anyone be so rude,

> Really and I am on 6 groups...wow the best thing to do is just ignore her and

> not respond to any of her posts. shrugs to bad.

>

>

>

> From: Pam Gotcher <pam@... <mailto:pam%40gotcher.us> >

> Subject: Re: Please trim your posts!

> To: sproutpeople <mailto:sproutpeople%40yahoogroups.com>

> Date: Sunday, May 29, 2011, 6:00 PM

>

>

>

> LOL, and by defining it as " an internet etiquette " - it sure looks like

>

> you're trying to guilt people into behaviors that they may or may not be

>

> willing to do.

>

> Pam

>

> From: Martha Zetter <nutritionideas4you@...

> <mailto:nutritionideas4you%40sbcglobal.net> >

>

> Reply-To: <sproutpeople

> <mailto:sproutpeople%40yahoogroups.com> >

>

> Date: Sun, 29 May 2011 15:09:43 -0700

>

> To: <sproutpeople <mailto:sproutpeople%40yahoogroups.com> >

>

> Subject: Re: Please trim your posts!

>

>> >

>

>> >

>

>> >

>

>> >

>

>> >

>

>> > I appreciate that you, Pam do not wish to make a change, however it is

>> known

>

>> > as internet etiquette and on many other lists to which I am happily a

>

>> > subscriber, not trimming one's posts would not fly. Our problem here on

>> this

>

>> > list is we do not have a moderator who would normally be the person

>> monitoring

>

>> > this breach of etiquette.

>

>> > Not meant to offend, just to clarify another's request with my two cents

>

>> > worth.

>

>> > Martha

>

>> >

>

>> > Re: Please trim your posts!

>

>> >

>

>> > I have no intention of trimming my posts. Live with it. If you're on

>

>> > Digest, this is NOT the way this forum will work for you most effectively.

>

>> > Rather than asking all of US to make changes for you, YOU make changes for

>

>> > you.

>

>> > Pam

>

>> >

>

>> > From: bribo54 <bribo54@... <mailto:bribo54%40netscape.net>

>> <mailto:bribo54%40netscape.net> >

>

>> >

>

>> >

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LOL, , gonna slap my hand by suggesting a shunning. You still haven't

gotten it!

Tell you what, YOU can ignore my posts. How about allowing others to make

their own decisions?

Pam

Reply-To: <sproutpeople >

Date: Sun, 29 May 2011 16:07:45 -0700 (PDT)

To: <sproutpeople >

Subject: Re: Please trim your posts!

>

>

>

>

>

> EVERY group I am on, You have to trim your posts, Or you would not be able to

> post. The moderator would just delete it. I never seen anyone be so rude,

> Really and I am on 6 groups...wow the best thing to do is just ignore her and

> not respond to any of her posts. shrugs to bad.

>

>

>

> From: Pam Gotcher <pam@... <mailto:pam%40gotcher.us> >

> Subject: Re: Please trim your posts!

> To: sproutpeople <mailto:sproutpeople%40yahoogroups.com>

> Date: Sunday, May 29, 2011, 6:00 PM

>

>

>

> LOL, and by defining it as " an internet etiquette " - it sure looks like

>

> you're trying to guilt people into behaviors that they may or may not be

>

> willing to do.

>

> Pam

>

> From: Martha Zetter <nutritionideas4you@...

> <mailto:nutritionideas4you%40sbcglobal.net> >

>

> Reply-To: <sproutpeople

> <mailto:sproutpeople%40yahoogroups.com> >

>

> Date: Sun, 29 May 2011 15:09:43 -0700

>

> To: <sproutpeople <mailto:sproutpeople%40yahoogroups.com> >

>

> Subject: Re: Please trim your posts!

>

>> >

>

>> >

>

>> >

>

>> >

>

>> >

>

>> > I appreciate that you, Pam do not wish to make a change, however it is

>> known

>

>> > as internet etiquette and on many other lists to which I am happily a

>

>> > subscriber, not trimming one's posts would not fly. Our problem here on

>> this

>

>> > list is we do not have a moderator who would normally be the person

>> monitoring

>

>> > this breach of etiquette.

>

>> > Not meant to offend, just to clarify another's request with my two cents

>

>> > worth.

>

>> > Martha

>

>> >

>

>> > Re: Please trim your posts!

>

>> >

>

>> > I have no intention of trimming my posts. Live with it. If you're on

>

>> > Digest, this is NOT the way this forum will work for you most effectively.

>

>> > Rather than asking all of US to make changes for you, YOU make changes for

>

>> > you.

>

>> > Pam

>

>> >

>

>> > From: bribo54 <bribo54@... <mailto:bribo54%40netscape.net>

>> <mailto:bribo54%40netscape.net> >

>

>> >

>

>> >

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No, Tina, I don't find the poster requesting kindness. If that were the

case, my response would be different.

There's more of a judgment and control issue here, and I think that until

people are willing to determine what their boundaries are, and what their

responsibilities are, then we will continue to have this issue.

At one time I requested that people reflect changes in the thread in the

subject area of their posts when a thread drifted. The response was a

suggestion on how I could make the mac search function work for me (for

which I was grateful).

It's not arrogance, nor selfishness. It's an acknowledgement of human

nature. At 65, I'm not going to remember to trim my posts ­ and there are

others who will not. The person who wishes the rest of us to change (or

feel guilty about not following their request) - needs to look at what they

can do to make the forum work for them, without trying to change others who

may not be able to change.

Pam

Reply-To: <sproutpeople >

Date: Sun, 29 May 2011 19:34:11 -0400

To: <sproutpeople >

Subject: RE: Please trim your posts!

>

>

>

>

>

> Up to now, I have kept out of this repeatedŠad nauseumŠargument. But, I feel

> the need to speak my mind. I do so as a LONG time email group participant.

>

> Is it netiquette to trim one¹s posts? My personal opinion is, yes. Just as it

> is netiquette not to YELL AT PEOPLE (because it makes reading a response

> difficult), I think it is polite manners to trim one¹s post leaving just

> enough of the post you are responding to for the reader to have context to

> your answer. Polite social behaviors are sociologically important even in the

> cyber society. And, think of it this wayŠsimply trimming your posts take much

> less energy than these continued arguments.

>

> Is it required for folks on this particular list to trim their posts?

> Unfortunately, no. Nor is it required that the subject line be changed when

> the conversation turns in a new direction. The poor reader must simply suffer

> through opening each email to determine if they wish to read it. All quite

> annoying and ill-mannered but one must either bear it or leave the group.

> Considering the low percentage of usable information posted to this group, one

> might desire to ask oneself if it is worth staying. I ask myself that question

> frequently. Mostly I stay because the personalities are amusing (laughter is

> good medicine) and I¹m too busy to go to the group page to unsubŠ. Perhaps the

> problem is simply that there is not much to say about sproutingŠor because a

> few personalities have hijacked the list and demand their own way about

> thingsŠor because selfishness is the American Way now, unfortunately.

>

> I read often when these arguments come up how it is the problem of the

> complainer who is being terribly selfish to request kindness from the group.

> That attitude I findŠdistasteful and arrogant and obnoxious to be honest.

>

> To the complainers may I make a suggestion? Either unsub, tolerate, or find a

> way to be as annoying as the ones annoying youŠ.it seems that childishly

> selfish behavior is as much a feature of this list as trimming one¹s posts is

> on all the other lists so when in RomeŠ.

>

> Okay, I¹ve said my bitŠ.and, quite un-Southern-Lady about it, I will make no

> apology for my seeming rudenessŠjust trying to do as they do in RomeŠ

>

> Tina (stepping off the soapbox and putting on my fire-retardant suit)

>

>

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No, Tina, I don't find the poster requesting kindness. If that were the

case, my response would be different.

There's more of a judgment and control issue here, and I think that until

people are willing to determine what their boundaries are, and what their

responsibilities are, then we will continue to have this issue.

At one time I requested that people reflect changes in the thread in the

subject area of their posts when a thread drifted. The response was a

suggestion on how I could make the mac search function work for me (for

which I was grateful).

It's not arrogance, nor selfishness. It's an acknowledgement of human

nature. At 65, I'm not going to remember to trim my posts ­ and there are

others who will not. The person who wishes the rest of us to change (or

feel guilty about not following their request) - needs to look at what they

can do to make the forum work for them, without trying to change others who

may not be able to change.

Pam

Reply-To: <sproutpeople >

Date: Sun, 29 May 2011 19:34:11 -0400

To: <sproutpeople >

Subject: RE: Please trim your posts!

>

>

>

>

>

> Up to now, I have kept out of this repeatedŠad nauseumŠargument. But, I feel

> the need to speak my mind. I do so as a LONG time email group participant.

>

> Is it netiquette to trim one¹s posts? My personal opinion is, yes. Just as it

> is netiquette not to YELL AT PEOPLE (because it makes reading a response

> difficult), I think it is polite manners to trim one¹s post leaving just

> enough of the post you are responding to for the reader to have context to

> your answer. Polite social behaviors are sociologically important even in the

> cyber society. And, think of it this wayŠsimply trimming your posts take much

> less energy than these continued arguments.

>

> Is it required for folks on this particular list to trim their posts?

> Unfortunately, no. Nor is it required that the subject line be changed when

> the conversation turns in a new direction. The poor reader must simply suffer

> through opening each email to determine if they wish to read it. All quite

> annoying and ill-mannered but one must either bear it or leave the group.

> Considering the low percentage of usable information posted to this group, one

> might desire to ask oneself if it is worth staying. I ask myself that question

> frequently. Mostly I stay because the personalities are amusing (laughter is

> good medicine) and I¹m too busy to go to the group page to unsubŠ. Perhaps the

> problem is simply that there is not much to say about sproutingŠor because a

> few personalities have hijacked the list and demand their own way about

> thingsŠor because selfishness is the American Way now, unfortunately.

>

> I read often when these arguments come up how it is the problem of the

> complainer who is being terribly selfish to request kindness from the group.

> That attitude I findŠdistasteful and arrogant and obnoxious to be honest.

>

> To the complainers may I make a suggestion? Either unsub, tolerate, or find a

> way to be as annoying as the ones annoying youŠ.it seems that childishly

> selfish behavior is as much a feature of this list as trimming one¹s posts is

> on all the other lists so when in RomeŠ.

>

> Okay, I¹ve said my bitŠ.and, quite un-Southern-Lady about it, I will make no

> apology for my seeming rudenessŠjust trying to do as they do in RomeŠ

>

> Tina (stepping off the soapbox and putting on my fire-retardant suit)

>

>

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Or not willing to. How hard is it to remember to trim a post? I doubt your

memory is really that poor. Lazy, perhaps. Selfish, definitely.

And, one should not have to go to the group page to do a “search” to

overcome the lazy unkindness of chatty list controllers who will not stay on

topic or change the subject line to suit. That is pure selfishness in

spades.

This list truly is not worth the tolerance of spoiled children. I think

reasonable adults need to leave the playground to the brats. I for one,

intend to. You have all failed miserably in providing sufficient benefit to

outweigh the annoyance level.

Tina

From: sproutpeople [mailto:sproutpeople ] On

Behalf Of Pam Gotcher

Sent: Sunday, May 29, 2011 8:08 PM

To: sproutpeople

Subject: Re: Please trim your posts!

No, Tina, I don't find the poster requesting kindness. If that were the

case, my response would be different.

There's more of a judgment and control issue here, and I think that until

people are willing to determine what their boundaries are, and what their

responsibilities are, then we will continue to have this issue.

At one time I requested that people reflect changes in the thread in the

subject area of their posts when a thread drifted. The response was a

suggestion on how I could make the mac search function work for me (for

which I was grateful).

It's not arrogance, nor selfishness. It's an acknowledgement of human

nature. At 65, I'm not going to remember to trim my posts ­ and there are

others who will not. The person who wishes the rest of us to change (or

feel guilty about not following their request) - needs to look at what they

can do to make the forum work for them, without trying to change others who

may not be able to change.

Pam

From: Tina Paxton <Frecs@... <mailto:Frecs%40atmc.net> >

Reply-To: <sproutpeople

<mailto:sproutpeople%40yahoogroups.com> >

Date: Sun, 29 May 2011 19:34:11 -0400

To: <sproutpeople <mailto:sproutpeople%40yahoogroups.com> >

Subject: RE: Please trim your posts!

>

>

>

>

>

> Up to now, I have kept out of this repeatedÐad nauseumÐargument. But, I

feel

> the need to speak my mind. I do so as a LONG time email group participant.

>

> Is it netiquette to trim one¹s posts? My personal opinion is, yes. Just as

it

> is netiquette not to YELL AT PEOPLE (because it makes reading a response

> difficult), I think it is polite manners to trim one¹s post leaving just

> enough of the post you are responding to for the reader to have context to

> your answer. Polite social behaviors are sociologically important even in

the

> cyber society. And, think of it this wayÐsimply trimming your posts take

much

> less energy than these continued arguments.

>

> Is it required for folks on this particular list to trim their posts?

> Unfortunately, no. Nor is it required that the subject line be changed

when

> the conversation turns in a new direction. The poor reader must simply

suffer

> through opening each email to determine if they wish to read it. All quite

> annoying and ill-mannered but one must either bear it or leave the group.

> Considering the low percentage of usable information posted to this group,

one

> might desire to ask oneself if it is worth staying. I ask myself that

question

> frequently. Mostly I stay because the personalities are amusing (laughter

is

> good medicine) and I¹m too busy to go to the group page to unsubÐ. Perhaps

the

> problem is simply that there is not much to say about sproutingÐor because

a

> few personalities have hijacked the list and demand their own way about

> thingsÐor because selfishness is the American Way now, unfortunately.

>

> I read often when these arguments come up how it is the problem of the

> complainer who is being terribly selfish to request kindness from the

group.

> That attitude I findÐdistasteful and arrogant and obnoxious to be honest.

>

> To the complainers may I make a suggestion? Either unsub, tolerate, or

find a

> way to be as annoying as the ones annoying youÐ.it seems that childishly

> selfish behavior is as much a feature of this list as trimming one¹s posts

is

> on all the other lists so when in RomeÐ.

>

> Okay, I¹ve said my bitÐ.and, quite un-Southern-Lady about it, I will make

no

> apology for my seeming rudenessÐjust trying to do as they do in RomeÐ

>

> Tina (stepping off the soapbox and putting on my fire-retardant suit)

>

>

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Can we all please return to sprouting.

Wishing all a peaceful weekend,

n

Who has a craving for some fenugreek sprouts

Dr. Rollings

NJ Licensed Psychologist #4686

www.DrnRollings.com

Sent from my iPad

> Or not willing to. How hard is it to remember to trim a post? I doubt your

> memory is really that poor. Lazy, perhaps. Selfish, definitely.

>

>

>

> And, one should not have to go to the group page to do a “search†to

> overcome the lazy unkindness of chatty list controllers who will not stay on

> topic or change the subject line to suit. That is pure selfishness in

> spades.

>

>

>

> This list truly is not worth the tolerance of spoiled children. I think

> reasonable adults need to leave the playground to the brats. I for one,

> intend to. You have all failed miserably in providing sufficient benefit to

> outweigh the annoyance level.

>

>

>

> Tina

>

>

>

> From: sproutpeople [mailto:sproutpeople ] On

> Behalf Of Pam Gotcher

> Sent: Sunday, May 29, 2011 8:08 PM

> To: sproutpeople

> Subject: Re: Please trim your posts!

>

>

>

>

>

> No, Tina, I don't find the poster requesting kindness. If that were the

> case, my response would be different.

>

> There's more of a judgment and control issue here, and I think that until

> people are willing to determine what their boundaries are, and what their

> responsibilities are, then we will continue to have this issue.

>

> At one time I requested that people reflect changes in the thread in the

> subject area of their posts when a thread drifted. The response was a

> suggestion on how I could make the mac search function work for me (for

> which I was grateful).

>

> It's not arrogance, nor selfishness. It's an acknowledgement of human

> nature. At 65, I'm not going to remember to trim my posts and there are

> others who will not. The person who wishes the rest of us to change (or

> feel guilty about not following their request) - needs to look at what they

> can do to make the forum work for them, without trying to change others who

> may not be able to change.

>

> Pam

>

> From: Tina Paxton <Frecs@... <mailto:Frecs%40atmc.net> >

> Reply-To: <sproutpeople

> <mailto:sproutpeople%40yahoogroups.com> >

> Date: Sun, 29 May 2011 19:34:11 -0400

> To: <sproutpeople <mailto:sproutpeople%40yahoogroups.com> >

> Subject: RE: Please trim your posts!

>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>> Up to now, I have kept out of this repeatedÃad nauseumÃargument. But, I

> feel

>> the need to speak my mind. I do so as a LONG time email group participant.

>>

>> Is it netiquette to trim one¹s posts? My personal opinion is, yes. Just as

> it

>> is netiquette not to YELL AT PEOPLE (because it makes reading a response

>> difficult), I think it is polite manners to trim one¹s post leaving just

>> enough of the post you are responding to for the reader to have context to

>> your answer. Polite social behaviors are sociologically important even in

> the

>> cyber society. And, think of it this wayÃsimply trimming your posts take

> much

>> less energy than these continued arguments.

>>

>> Is it required for folks on this particular list to trim their posts?

>> Unfortunately, no. Nor is it required that the subject line be changed

> when

>> the conversation turns in a new direction. The poor reader must simply

> suffer

>> through opening each email to determine if they wish to read it. All quite

>> annoying and ill-mannered but one must either bear it or leave the group.

>> Considering the low percentage of usable information posted to this group,

> one

>> might desire to ask oneself if it is worth staying. I ask myself that

> question

>> frequently. Mostly I stay because the personalities are amusing (laughter

> is

>> good medicine) and I¹m too busy to go to the group page to unsubÃ. Perhaps

> the

>> problem is simply that there is not much to say about sproutingÃor because

> a

>> few personalities have hijacked the list and demand their own way about

>> thingsÃor because selfishness is the American Way now, unfortunately.

>>

>> I read often when these arguments come up how it is the problem of the

>> complainer who is being terribly selfish to request kindness from the

> group.

>> That attitude I findÃdistasteful and arrogant and obnoxious to be honest.

>>

>> To the complainers may I make a suggestion? Either unsub, tolerate, or

> find a

>> way to be as annoying as the ones annoying youÃ.it seems that childishly

>> selfish behavior is as much a feature of this list as trimming one¹s posts

> is

>> on all the other lists so when in RomeÃ.

>>

>> Okay, I¹ve said my bitÃ.and, quite un-Southern-Lady about it, I will make

> no

>> apology for my seeming rudenessÃjust trying to do as they do in RomeÃ

>>

>> Tina (stepping off the soapbox and putting on my fire-retardant suit)

>>

>>

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Goodbye, then! When you get to 65, you can email me about your memory

issues (or not), and boundary issues - LOL. Or the lessons you might have

learned in judging your fellowmen. You have no experience of me personally

to know whether I'm lazy or selfish. You are making those judgments based

on projections of yourself. If you did X, then you would be Y or Z.

When you know me personally, then, you can make that decision.

Take care,

Pam

>Or not willing to. How hard is it to remember to trim a post? I doubt your

>memory is really that poor. Lazy, perhaps. Selfish, definitely.

>

>

>

>And, one should not have to go to the group page to do a „search‰ to

>overcome the lazy unkindness of chatty list controllers who will not stay

>on

>topic or change the subject line to suit. That is pure selfishness in

>spades.

>

>

>

>This list truly is not worth the tolerance of spoiled children. I think

>reasonable adults need to leave the playground to the brats. I for one,

>intend to. You have all failed miserably in providing sufficient benefit

>to

>outweigh the annoyance level.

>

>

>

>Tina

>

>

>

>From: sproutpeople [mailto:sproutpeople ]

>On

>Behalf Of Pam Gotcher

>Sent: Sunday, May 29, 2011 8:08 PM

>To: sproutpeople

>Subject: Re: Please trim your posts!

>

>

>

>

>

>No, Tina, I don't find the poster requesting kindness. If that were the

>case, my response would be different.

>

>There's more of a judgment and control issue here, and I think that until

>people are willing to determine what their boundaries are, and what their

>responsibilities are, then we will continue to have this issue.

>

>At one time I requested that people reflect changes in the thread in the

>subject area of their posts when a thread drifted. The response was a

>suggestion on how I could make the mac search function work for me (for

>which I was grateful).

>

>It's not arrogance, nor selfishness. It's an acknowledgement of human

>nature. At 65, I'm not going to remember to trim my posts – and there are

>others who will not. The person who wishes the rest of us to change (or

>feel guilty about not following their request) - needs to look at what

>they

>can do to make the forum work for them, without trying to change others

>who

>may not be able to change.

>

>Pam

>

>From: Tina Paxton <Frecs@... <mailto:Frecs%40atmc.net> >

>Reply-To: <sproutpeople

><mailto:sproutpeople%40yahoogroups.com> >

>Date: Sun, 29 May 2011 19:34:11 -0400

>To: <sproutpeople <mailto:sproutpeople%40yahoogroups.com>

>>

>Subject: RE: Please trim your posts!

>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>> Up to now, I have kept out of this repeated‹ad nauseum‹argument. But, I

>feel

>> the need to speak my mind. I do so as a LONG time email group

>>participant.

>>

>> Is it netiquette to trim one’s posts? My personal opinion is, yes. Just

>>as

>it

>> is netiquette not to YELL AT PEOPLE (because it makes reading a response

>> difficult), I think it is polite manners to trim one’s post leaving just

>> enough of the post you are responding to for the reader to have context

>>to

>> your answer. Polite social behaviors are sociologically important even

>>in

>the

>> cyber society. And, think of it this way‹simply trimming your posts take

>much

>> less energy than these continued arguments.

>>

>> Is it required for folks on this particular list to trim their posts?

>> Unfortunately, no. Nor is it required that the subject line be changed

>when

>> the conversation turns in a new direction. The poor reader must simply

>suffer

>> through opening each email to determine if they wish to read it. All

>>quite

>> annoying and ill-mannered but one must either bear it or leave the

>>group.

>> Considering the low percentage of usable information posted to this

>>group,

>one

>> might desire to ask oneself if it is worth staying. I ask myself that

>question

>> frequently. Mostly I stay because the personalities are amusing

>>(laughter

>is

>> good medicine) and I’m too busy to go to the group page to unsub‹.

>>Perhaps

>the

>> problem is simply that there is not much to say about sprouting‹or

>>because

>a

>> few personalities have hijacked the list and demand their own way about

>> things‹or because selfishness is the American Way now, unfortunately.

>>

>> I read often when these arguments come up how it is the problem of the

>> complainer who is being terribly selfish to request kindness from the

>group.

>> That attitude I find‹distasteful and arrogant and obnoxious to be

>>honest.

>>

>> To the complainers may I make a suggestion? Either unsub, tolerate, or

>find a

>> way to be as annoying as the ones annoying you‹.it seems that childishly

>> selfish behavior is as much a feature of this list as trimming one’s

>>posts

>is

>> on all the other lists so when in Rome‹.

>>

>> Okay, I’ve said my bit‹.and, quite un-Southern-Lady about it, I will

>>make

>no

>> apology for my seeming rudeness‹just trying to do as they do in Rome‹

>>

>> Tina (stepping off the soapbox and putting on my fire-retardant suit)

>>

>>

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I'm willing, n!

Pam

Reply-To: <sproutpeople >

Date: Sun, 29 May 2011 20:20:59 -0400

To: " sproutpeople " <sproutpeople >

Subject: Re: Please trim your posts!

>

>

>

>

>

>

> Can we all please return to sprouting.

> Wishing all a peaceful weekend,

> n

> Who has a craving for some fenugreek sprouts

>

> Dr. Rollings

>

> NJ Licensed Psychologist #4686

> www.DrnRollings.com

>

> Sent from my iPad

>

> On May 29, 2011, at 8:15 PM, " Tina Paxton " <Frecs@...

> <mailto:Frecs%40atmc.net> > wrote:

>

>> > Or not willing to. How hard is it to remember to trim a post? I doubt your

>> > memory is really that poor. Lazy, perhaps. Selfish, definitely.

>> >

>> >

>> >

>> > And, one should not have to go to the group page to do a ¡°search¡± to

>> > overcome the lazy unkindness of chatty list controllers who will not stay

>> on

>> > topic or change the subject line to suit. That is pure selfishness in

>> > spades.

>> >

>> >

>> >

>> > This list truly is not worth the tolerance of spoiled children. I think

>> > reasonable adults need to leave the playground to the brats. I for one,

>> > intend to. You have all failed miserably in providing sufficient benefit to

>> > outweigh the annoyance level.

>> >

>> >

>> >

>> > Tina

>> >

>> >

>> >

>> > From: sproutpeople <mailto:sproutpeople%40yahoogroups.com>

>> [mailto:sproutpeople <mailto:sproutpeople%40yahoogroups.com>

>> ] On

>> > Behalf Of Pam Gotcher

>> > Sent: Sunday, May 29, 2011 8:08 PM

>> > To: sproutpeople <mailto:sproutpeople%40yahoogroups.com>

>> > Subject: Re: Please trim your posts!

>> >

>> >

>> >

>> >

>> >

>> > No, Tina, I don't find the poster requesting kindness. If that were the

>> > case, my response would be different.

>> >

>> > There's more of a judgment and control issue here, and I think that until

>> > people are willing to determine what their boundaries are, and what their

>> > responsibilities are, then we will continue to have this issue.

>> >

>> > At one time I requested that people reflect changes in the thread in the

>> > subject area of their posts when a thread drifted. The response was a

>> > suggestion on how I could make the mac search function work for me (for

>> > which I was grateful).

>> >

>> > It's not arrogance, nor selfishness. It's an acknowledgement of human

>> > nature. At 65, I'm not going to remember to trim my posts and there are

>> > others who will not. The person who wishes the rest of us to change (or

>> > feel guilty about not following their request) - needs to look at what they

>> > can do to make the forum work for them, without trying to change others who

>> > may not be able to change.

>> >

>> > Pam

>> >

>> > From: Tina Paxton <Frecs@... <mailto:Frecs%40atmc.net>

>> <mailto:Frecs%40atmc.net> >

>> > Reply-To: <sproutpeople

>> <mailto:sproutpeople%40yahoogroups.com>

>> > <mailto:sproutpeople%40yahoogroups.com> >

>> > Date: Sun, 29 May 2011 19:34:11 -0400

>> > To: <sproutpeople <mailto:sproutpeople%40yahoogroups.com>

>> <mailto:sproutpeople%40yahoogroups.com> >

>> > Subject: RE: Please trim your posts!

>> >

>>> >>

>>> >>

>>> >>

>>> >>

>>> >>

>>> >> Up to now, I have kept out of this repeated¨¢ad nauseum¨¢argument. But, I

>> > feel

>>> >> the need to speak my mind. I do so as a LONG time email group

>>> participant.

>>> >>

>>> >> Is it netiquette to trim one©ös posts? My personal opinion is, yes. Just

as

>> > it

>>> >> is netiquette not to YELL AT PEOPLE (because it makes reading a response

>>> >> difficult), I think it is polite manners to trim one©ös post leaving just

>>> >> enough of the post you are responding to for the reader to have context

to

>>> >> your answer. Polite social behaviors are sociologically important even in

>> > the

>>> >> cyber society. And, think of it this way¨¢simply trimming your posts take

>> > much

>>> >> less energy than these continued arguments.

>>> >>

>>> >> Is it required for folks on this particular list to trim their posts?

>>> >> Unfortunately, no. Nor is it required that the subject line be changed

>> > when

>>> >> the conversation turns in a new direction. The poor reader must simply

>> > suffer

>>> >> through opening each email to determine if they wish to read it. All

>>> quite

>>> >> annoying and ill-mannered but one must either bear it or leave the group.

>>> >> Considering the low percentage of usable information posted to this

>>> group,

>> > one

>>> >> might desire to ask oneself if it is worth staying. I ask myself that

>> > question

>>> >> frequently. Mostly I stay because the personalities are amusing (laughter

>> > is

>>> >> good medicine) and I©öm too busy to go to the group page to unsub¨¢.

>>> Perhaps

>> > the

>>> >> problem is simply that there is not much to say about sprouting¨¢or

>>> because

>> > a

>>> >> few personalities have hijacked the list and demand their own way about

>>> >> things¨¢or because selfishness is the American Way now, unfortunately.

>>> >>

>>> >> I read often when these arguments come up how it is the problem of the

>>> >> complainer who is being terribly selfish to request kindness from the

>> > group.

>>> >> That attitude I find¨¢distasteful and arrogant and obnoxious to be

honest.

>>> >>

>>> >> To the complainers may I make a suggestion? Either unsub, tolerate, or

>> > find a

>>> >> way to be as annoying as the ones annoying you¨¢.it seems that childishly

>>> >> selfish behavior is as much a feature of this list as trimming one©ös

>>> posts

>> > is

>>> >> on all the other lists so when in Rome¨¢.

>>> >>

>>> >> Okay, I©öve said my bit¨¢.and, quite un-Southern-Lady about it, I will

make

>> > no

>>> >> apology for my seeming rudeness¨¢just trying to do as they do in Rome¨¢

>>> >>

>>> >> Tina (stepping off the soapbox and putting on my fire-retardant suit)

>>> >>

>>> >>

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>

> Can we all please return to sprouting.

> Wishing all a peaceful weekend,

> n

> Who has a craving for some fenugreek sprouts

>

> Dr. Rollings

>

Fenugreek is the best in my opinion. I realized the other day that 50%

of the sprouts I make are fenugreek.

On a side note...question n...my planting of herbs in my Aero

garden are just about played out. Have you tried any of the others ?

Lettuce for example. I want to order my next set and am unsure if I want

more herbs or to try a lettuce blend , maybe with some of the new lettuces.

Its sure nice knowing I have another day before going back to work.

Lorri in NH

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