Re: 2003 research - the 'still-face challenge'

[Guest guest]

Edith,

I've got a 5 month old and am trying to understand this better. how

do i test myself out of curiosity?

i've only had one day where i saw that daze in my baby's face and i

felt a lot more fleas then than most days, but i realized it was a

trust thing and haven't seen it since (mainly i was so frustrated

w/his screaming and crying and didn't pick him up much for a couple

of hours while i was doing housework- low barometric pressure makes

kids more irritable and it had been that way all week and i was

really sick of him by friday while dad was out of town...sick of

crying- not him as a [erson, just his noise level. anyways, i'm

usually very attentive to his needs and i could tell by his glazed

over look that he felt betrayed and so i've not gone down that road

again though i get the impression from this study that the glazed

look is normal for bp parents?) baby in lap so 1 handed typing going

on.

by the way, more intrusive? i see that w/nada but how do i gauge my

own level of intrusiveness?

thanks

kerrie

ps thanks for posting this as i've been curious w/my first baby as

to how i can measure myself.

> <<

> Br J Psychiatry 2003 Sep;183:239-47 (ISSN: 0007-1250)

> Crandell LE; MP; Hobson RP

> Developmental Psychopathology Research Unit, Tavistock Clinic,

> London, UK. drlisa@l...

>

>

> 'Still-face' interactions between mothers with borderline

> personality disorder and their 2-month-old infants.

>

> BACKGROUND: There is evidence that psychopathology in mothers

> may be associated with dysfunctional mother-infant interactions.

>

> AIMS: To investigate mother-infant relations when mothers have

> borderline personality disorder.

>

> METHOD: Eight mothers with borderline personality disorder and

> twelve mothers without psychiatric disorder were videotaped

> interacting with their 2-month-old infants in three successive

> phases of interaction: face-to-face play; an episode when the

> mother adopted a 'still face' and was unreactive; and a period

> when play interactions were resumed. The videotapes were rated

> by judges blind to the diagnostic group of the mother.

>

> RESULTS: The mothers with borderline personality disorder were

> more intrusively insensitive towards their infants. During the

> still-face period, their infants showed increased looking away

> and dazed looks. Following this, mother-infant interactions were

> less satisfying and their infants showed dazed looks and

> lowering of affect.

>

> CONCLUSIONS: The diagnosis of borderline personality disorder is

> associated with a particular pattern of mother-infant

> interaction. The infants' responses to the still-face challenge

> might suggest dysfunctional self-regulation, but the

> developmental significance remains to be assessed.

> >>

>

> - Edith

> Wearing my beloved but tattered 'researcher' hat

[Guest guest]

Hi Kerrie,

Because you're asking means that you're doing just fine. Our

nada's, on the other hand, just didn't give a f***! It was

ALWAYS just about them.

Hugs,

- Edith

Kerrie wrote:

> Edith,

> I've got a 5 month old and am trying to understand this better. how

> do i test myself out of curiosity?

> i've only had one day where i saw that daze in my baby's face and i

> felt a lot more fleas then than most days, but i realized it was a

> trust thing and haven't seen it since (mainly i was so frustrated

> w/his screaming and crying and didn't pick him up much for a couple

> of hours while i was doing housework- low barometric pressure makes

> kids more irritable and it had been that way all week and i was

> really sick of him by friday while dad was out of town...sick of

> crying- not him as a [erson, just his noise level. anyways, i'm

> usually very attentive to his needs and i could tell by his glazed

> over look that he felt betrayed and so i've not gone down that road

> again though i get the impression from this study that the glazed

> look is normal for bp parents?) baby in lap so 1 handed typing going

> on.

> by the way, more intrusive? i see that w/nada but how do i gauge my

> own level of intrusiveness?

> thanks

> kerrie

> ps thanks for posting this as i've been curious w/my first baby as

> to how i can measure myself.

>

>

>><<

>>Br J Psychiatry 2003 Sep;183:239-47 (ISSN: 0007-1250)

>>Crandell LE; MP; Hobson RP

>>Developmental Psychopathology Research Unit, Tavistock Clinic,

>>London, UK. drlisa@l...

>>

>>

>>'Still-face' interactions between mothers with borderline

>>personality disorder and their 2-month-old infants.

>>

>>BACKGROUND: There is evidence that psychopathology in mothers

>>may be associated with dysfunctional mother-infant interactions.

>>

>>AIMS: To investigate mother-infant relations when mothers have

>>borderline personality disorder.

>>

>>METHOD: Eight mothers with borderline personality disorder and

>>twelve mothers without psychiatric disorder were videotaped

>>interacting with their 2-month-old infants in three successive

>>phases of interaction: face-to-face play; an episode when the

>>mother adopted a 'still face' and was unreactive; and a period

>>when play interactions were resumed. The videotapes were rated

>>by judges blind to the diagnostic group of the mother.

>>

>>RESULTS: The mothers with borderline personality disorder were

>>more intrusively insensitive towards their infants. During the

>>still-face period, their infants showed increased looking away

>>and dazed looks. Following this, mother-infant interactions were

>>less satisfying and their infants showed dazed looks and

>>lowering of affect.

>>

>>CONCLUSIONS: The diagnosis of borderline personality disorder is

>>associated with a particular pattern of mother-infant

>>interaction. The infants' responses to the still-face challenge

>>might suggest dysfunctional self-regulation, but the

>>developmental significance remains to be assessed.

>> >>

>>

>>- Edith

>>Wearing my beloved but tattered 'researcher' hat

[Guest guest]

Lol- I guess you're right! I think sometimes I need to be less

critical of myself as a mom and just realize I'll never be perfect,

there will be bad days of course and to just apologize and move on.

I guess I felt really guilty that day I somewhat ignored my baby and

that I suppose says a lot more than nada's conscience. I think I

felt guilty b/c I knew he was frustrated and I was frustrated and I

was more selfish that day than normal, but the fact that it was an

abnormal day means probably that I'm more normal than I give myself

credit for.

By the way, I just did that face-off thing w/baby and the still-face

was so hard. He kept smiling at me and laughing and talking that I

was just dieing to reciprocate. When I did finally, he seemed normal-

not out in a daze and I held the still-face for a couple of

minutes. I see sometimes with his daddy that glazed look as I think

dad has a hard time understanding baby at times and the truth is

they are not so prewired like most moms to be intuned with their

baby's needs (nadas on the other hand seem to purposefully push that

instinct deep within and ignore it as my observation).

I noticed the intrusiveness with my nada and my grandfather at

Christmas. They kept patting him, my baby, on the bottom and said he

liked it whereas I saw him as just neutral on it. I yelled at them

to quit spanking my baby and called them perverts for trying to get

him to like that. It irked me and now I see why. It was intrusive to

my baby's body as I don't believe much in spanking. I thought it was

weird and fortunately they do seem to back off when I saw back off

where my baby is concerned.

Oops, baby crying. Gotta run.

Kerrie

PS please share anymore articles you find on bp parenting with

infants and small children as I'm super curious. Thanks!

> >

> >><<

> >>Br J Psychiatry 2003 Sep;183:239-47 (ISSN: 0007-1250)

> >>Crandell LE; MP; Hobson RP

> >>Developmental Psychopathology Research Unit, Tavistock Clinic,

> >>London, UK. drlisa@l...

> >>

> >>

> >>'Still-face' interactions between mothers with borderline

> >>personality disorder and their 2-month-old infants.

> >>

> >>BACKGROUND: There is evidence that psychopathology in mothers

> >>may be associated with dysfunctional mother-infant interactions.

> >>

> >>AIMS: To investigate mother-infant relations when mothers have

> >>borderline personality disorder.

> >>

> >>METHOD: Eight mothers with borderline personality disorder and

> >>twelve mothers without psychiatric disorder were videotaped

> >>interacting with their 2-month-old infants in three successive

> >>phases of interaction: face-to-face play; an episode when the

> >>mother adopted a 'still face' and was unreactive; and a period

> >>when play interactions were resumed. The videotapes were rated

> >>by judges blind to the diagnostic group of the mother.

> >>

> >>RESULTS: The mothers with borderline personality disorder were

> >>more intrusively insensitive towards their infants. During the

> >>still-face period, their infants showed increased looking away

> >>and dazed looks. Following this, mother-infant interactions were

> >>less satisfying and their infants showed dazed looks and

> >>lowering of affect.

> >>

> >>CONCLUSIONS: The diagnosis of borderline personality disorder is

> >>associated with a particular pattern of mother-infant

> >>interaction. The infants' responses to the still-face challenge

> >>might suggest dysfunctional self-regulation, but the

> >>developmental significance remains to be assessed.

> >> >>

> >>

> >>- Edith

> >>Wearing my beloved but tattered 'researcher' hat

[Guest guest]

> <<< RESULTS: The mothers with borderline personality

> disorder were more intrusively insensitive towards their

> infants. During the still-face period, their infants showed

> increased looking away and dazed looks. Following this,

> mother-infant interactions were less satisfying and their

> infants showed dazed looks and lowering of affect.>>>

>

Gee, maybe that's why I always called my xBPSO's nada " Ol' Stoneface "

Sad but probably related to 'what's wrong with those C34%#$%n kids?'

that everyone used to ask.