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I don't have month to month but T-cells have decreased over time. CD4's and

CD8's too. T-Cell is below 200 for some 4 years now although no complications /

symptoms as a result.

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the pulser was used by beck on lymph nodes to force fluids into moving.

normally just walking and moving around moves lymph. people bed-ridden with

AIDS did not have moving lymph, so the pulser did that function for them.

It would not move HIV out of the gut linings since they're not constructed with

one-way valves such as found in lymph nodes.

The pulser does not inactivate any germs. It's signal lasts only a millionth of

a second or so, not enough current to act to reduce infectivity of HIV. I've

tried them on colds, etc without success with local infection. They are for

moving lymph fluids and/or fluids trapped in swollen nerves. the current from

such pulsers does not add up to many electrons, which is the requirement for

germ inactivation. it is electron volume (current) times time..giving total

current. the pulser is far far too short a burst at too low an intensity to

work.

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> > > > > >> > > Reading your post on the Kaali-Lyman DC findings was very

> > > > > >> interesting. I wonder what the reason Sota opted for AC for blood

> > > > > >> electrification when the original Einstein study was DC and it is

faster

> > > > > >> which seems to translate to more effective.

> > > > > >> >

> > > > > >> > ***Putting DC directly on the arteries can cause eletrolysis in

the

> > > > > >> blood and ion migration. Bob Beck chose AC to avoid these issues.

We at

> > > > > >> SOTA follow Bob Beck's research. Spending several years with Bob

was

> > > > > >> invaluable in learning what he knew.

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> > > > > >> > > I notice the CS generating constant current mode of the Sota SP

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> > > > > >> withing spec for DC blood electrification but the leads aren't very

> > > > > >> useful unless you want to you silver rods as electrodes.

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> > > > > >> > ***Please DO NOT try blood electrification with the

Ionic/Colloidal

> > > > > >> Silver wires of the Silver pulser unit! You will get a severe

eletrical

> > > > > >> burn (as would anyone leaving DC on the skin) as well as open te

door

> > > > > >> for eletrolysis in the blood and ion migration. We DO NOT recommend

> > > > > >> usnig it this way.

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bG Please I do not want to start an argument or make you mad at me, but all of

this information is fresh in my mind from having just listened to and read it

all. Beck did say that the pulsar was designed to get the lymph fluids moving.

He said The way that it does this is by killing colonies of bacteria that have

stationed themselves in the lymph glands. Once the colonies are killed the body

will eliminate the dead bugs. The body if unable to kill pathogens ECT will try

to isolate them in the lymph system as a way of keeping the body alive. Once

pathogens are destroyed there is no longer a threat and they can be sent by the

lymph system on there way through the eliminatory pathways of the body.

Beck also brought out that the magnetic pulsar was to be used on places where

the blood does not flow (and any other place that we would like for that matter

like painful joints) because it is so strong at killing pathogens ECT. In fact

he told us all to use caution in using it on the gut for candida and other gut

bugs because it would wipe out the good bacterium also.

I have read that many have chosen to use it on the gut because of severe cases

of candida despite his advice and have good success. They follow up with a very

strong course of probiotics, which is also recommended by Beck if they make the

choice to use the magnetic pulsar on the gut.

Now that is what I have read in interviews with Beck but still the fact remains

that all of these folk were also using the complete four step protocol and we

all know the effects of silver and ozone on germs and bugs. These folk also were

very faithful in there use of the protocol.

Even if I am totally wrong and the magnetic pulsar only moves the lymph fluids

that would be good for us because the lymph meets up with our blood for

cleansing and any bugs from the lymph would then be in the blood and be

electrified with the electrification unit. As for any critters in the gut a

continuous use of ozone and silver should do the job in there too. I am

positive that the reason the protocol works in the first place is because the

persons that use it make sure they use it daily and that they use ALL PARTS of

it.

I am just starting with the protocol and I realize that I will have to use this

protocol with faithful diligence in order to beat this disease, but I am up for

that. I Would like to know if you feel better on the protocol even though you

don't seem to be able to get the bug count down?

L:O)

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> > > > > > >> > > Reading your post on the Kaali-Lyman DC findings was very

> > > > > > >> interesting. I wonder what the reason Sota opted for AC for blood

> > > > > > >> electrification when the original Einstein study was DC and it is

faster

> > > > > > >> which seems to translate to more effective.

> > > > > > >> >

> > > > > > >> > ***Putting DC directly on the arteries can cause eletrolysis in

the

> > > > > > >> blood and ion migration. Bob Beck chose AC to avoid these issues.

We at

> > > > > > >> SOTA follow Bob Beck's research. Spending several years with Bob

was

> > > > > > >> invaluable in learning what he knew.

> > > > > > >> >

> > > > > > >> > >

> > > > > > >> > > I notice the CS generating constant current mode of the Sota

SP is

> > > > > > >> withing spec for DC blood electrification but the leads aren't

very

> > > > > > >> useful unless you want to you silver rods as electrodes.

> > > > > > >> >

> > > > > > >> > ***Please DO NOT try blood electrification with the

Ionic/Colloidal

> > > > > > >> Silver wires of the Silver pulser unit! You will get a severe

eletrical

> > > > > > >> burn (as would anyone leaving DC on the skin) as well as open te

door

> > > > > > >> for eletrolysis in the blood and ion migration. We DO NOT

recommend

> > > > > > >> usnig it this way.

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> > > > > > >> > Hope this helps,

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> > > > > > >> interesting. I wonder what the reason Sota opted for AC for blood

> > > > > > >> electrification when the original Einstein study was DC and it is

faster

> > > > > > >> which seems to translate to more effective.

> > > > > > >> >

> > > > > > >> > ***Putting DC directly on the arteries can cause eletrolysis in

the

> > > > > > >> blood and ion migration. Bob Beck chose AC to avoid these issues.

We at

> > > > > > >> SOTA follow Bob Beck's research. Spending several years with Bob

was

> > > > > > >> invaluable in learning what he knew.

> > > > > > >> >

> > > > > > >> > >

> > > > > > >> > > I notice the CS generating constant current mode of the Sota

SP is

> > > > > > >> withing spec for DC blood electrification but the leads aren't

very

> > > > > > >> useful unless you want to you silver rods as electrodes.

> > > > > > >> >

> > > > > > >> > ***Please DO NOT try blood electrification with the

Ionic/Colloidal

> > > > > > >> Silver wires of the Silver pulser unit! You will get a severe

eletrical

> > > > > > >> burn (as would anyone leaving DC on the skin) as well as open te

door

> > > > > > >> for eletrolysis in the blood and ion migration. We DO NOT

recommend

> > > > > > >> usnig it this way.

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> I found it surprising that Bob Beck was wrong on his garlic warning, but

> he apparently was. I had no such problem. Is that the consensus here?

> Clearly when DC blood electrification is implemented properly (as in

> the Lyman Kaali study) it does not cause dangerous electrolysis or

> blood bubbles. Is there any research to back this theory? It sounds

> similar to Beck's warnings about electroporation

The electroporation effect exists and is used in medicine to potentiate the

effects of medications or to kill cells (look in the files section for some news

articles).

>and garlic,

As Beck was an EEG specialist what he specifically warned about was the

dissociation of left and right hemispheres when eating garlic. This makes you

dumber... and to the EEG you look " brain dead " which is how Beck described it. I

have no reason to doubt that.

Can it kill you? What he specifically warned about was the direct application to

open wounds. I'm not about to add garlic directly to my blood to find out if

he's right. Eating garlic won't have the same effect... although whatever effect

it does have will be potentiated by the electroporation effect.

Certainly if I take something potent and zap at the same time it has a much

greater effect. You should use this well documented effect to your advantage...

while avoiding possible side effects (not zapping at the wrong times).

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the ultimate godzilla is the last design I came up with for HIV. It is

important to put a set of pads over thymus, or shift them up to cover it. the

thymus is where the t cells are " finished " t-cell means thymus cell.

best of luck, let us know how it goes

bG

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> Hello again...just posted a few min. ago, I think I found what I need.

Instead of the unit with gloves, I guess I make the ultimate godzilla for

treating or researching Hiv/Aids, is that correct? Thanks Bob

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Also note: one user with Lyme's controls it using pads on his sides, not front

and back. YOu might also try sides instead of front and back with the gut pads.

It makes sense that electrons that have to follow a longer path from one side to

the other side, would include more of the gut along the way, and proportionally

avoid a lot of skin and fat in the belly. Try it.

Don't forget the thymus. We have one person who used the gut pads without

effect for a month. Then he put pads over thymus and suddenly he got severe

dieoffs!! Medical world has not caught on yet about the thymus. They used to

remove it in surgery since they had no idea what it did!!! It makes your

Tcells. Repeat, it makes your Tcells. If there was ever a place for HIV to

hide out, the thymus would be a goldmine.

bG

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> > Hello again...just posted a few min. ago, I think I found what I need.

Instead of the unit with gloves, I guess I make the ultimate godzilla for

treating or researching Hiv/Aids, is that correct? Thanks Bob

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Ok bG, so I use the ultimate godzilla for both stomach and sides of body and the

thymus. where would i find the 100ohm patentometer w/knob and toggle? thanks

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Instead of the unit with gloves, I guess I make the ultimate godzilla for

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not sure why you would need the 100 ohm potentiometer, if anything a 100k ohm

(note the k) linear potentiometer (radio shack, about 2-3 bucks). This could be

used to set comfort levels.. If you are doing that using the 6 volt battery you

should be fine and deluxe situation.

more pads more places, the better.

also, CS can be breathed in via ultrasonic humidifer and works better to get in

blood, use that instead of ingestion

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Instead of the unit with gloves, I guess I make the ultimate godzilla for

treating or researching Hiv/Aids, is that correct? Thanks Bob

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you would want cs in blood, btw. colloidal silver is best made by the silvergen

sg6 (*see silvergen.com) about 200 bucks but i have had mine 10 years or so,

and it's a honey, makes the best cs, clear, tiny particles, devastation to

germs, have used it for every stomach cramp and skin sore, etc, breathed it in,

etc. set just above lowest concentration, make lots of it from distilled water.

first batch is long time, then wipe clean the electrodes, removing black film,

pour out all but one inch, and refill. the one inch serves as the seed for your

next batch.

cs in blood will go a lot of places you may not be able to get it with

ingestion!

bG

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> > > > > Hello again...just posted a few min. ago, I think I found what I need.

Instead of the unit with gloves, I guess I make the ultimate godzilla for

treating or researching Hiv/Aids, is that correct? Thanks Bob

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how many parts per million does the silvergen produce?

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> you would want cs in blood, btw. colloidal silver is best made by the

> silvergen sg6 (*see silvergen.com) about 200 bucks but i have had mine

> 10 years or so, and it's a honey, makes the best cs, clear, tiny

> particles, devastation to germs, have used it for every stomach cramp and

> skin sore, etc, breathed it in, etc. set just above lowest concentration,

> make lots of it from distilled water. first batch is long time, then wipe

> clean the electrodes, removing black film, pour out all but one inch, and

> refill. the one inch serves as the seed for your next batch.

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> cs in blood will go a lot of places you may not be able to get it with

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BG:Do you have any suggestions for the ultrasonic humidifier?  Do you put the

cs into the humidifier straight, or do you dilute it?Ted

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Subject: Re: hiv

Date: Tuesday, January 12, 2010, 2:05 PM

 

you would want cs in blood, btw. colloidal silver is best made by the

silvergen sg6 (*see silvergen.com) about 200 bucks but i have had mine 10

years or so, and it's a honey, makes the best cs, clear, tiny particles,

devastation to germs, have used it for every stomach cramp and skin sore, etc,

breathed it in, etc. set just above lowest concentration, make lots of it from

distilled water. first batch is long time, then wipe clean the electrodes,

removing black film, pour out all but one inch, and refill. the one inch serves

as the seed for your next batch.

cs in blood will go a lot of places you may not be able to get it with

ingestion!

bG

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> > > > > Hello again...just posted a few min. ago, I think I found what I need.

Instead of the unit with gloves, I guess I make the ultimate godzilla for

treating or researching Hiv/Aids, is that correct? Thanks Bob

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dial can be set from around 5-25ppm

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> > about repeatability, or whether this might have medical benefits. Thanks,

> > for your understanding, and good luck researching. --bG

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no, because it's new. I used it diluted, a pint of 5-10ppm cs to about 2

gallons of water is what I used. not reporting any effects, did not get sick,

but was not sick to start with.

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Dear Reinaldo,

I'm sorry I do not speak or write Portugese.

Our web college, www.CureDrive.org, is not

written in Portugese. There is one book, " A Call

to Immunics " that has been translated to Spanish.

I suggest that you get together with some

English/Portugese speaking people to do curing

with them. You would start with Lesson 1 on the CureDrive home page.

Others have gotten rid of their HIV and live happy lives, so it is possible.

If you have an English speaking translator with

you and have a web cam on your computer, you

could do some sessions with Bayard, one of our

founders, online using Skype. His Skype name is " bayard1000 " . Contact him.

Greg Morkovin

<greg@...>

Tell people they can cure things.

http://www.curedrive.org

over 72,000 cures and counting

At 12:21 AM 1/14/2010, you wrote:

>Olá

>eu vi em um site sobre cura do hiv

>eu sou brasileiro

>gostaria de obter mais informações em portugues sobre o assunto

>eu sou portador de hiv

>obrigado

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Hi,

I am a film student at the University of Central Florida, and I'm making my

thesis as a documentary searching for the cure for HIV. Along the way I'm

discovering alternative treatments for the virus, one of which seems to be MMS.

Does anyone have experience treating HIV or know someone who does?

Thanks.

www.curewar.com

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Has anyone ever checked if HIV patients are Iodine Deficient? Whether Iodine makes any difference to this set of illnesses?

From: ladybugsandbees <ladybugsandbees@...>iodine Sent: Thu, January 6, 2011 11:08:01 AMSubject: Re: Re: Menopause!

When my liver is overloaded I will get hot flashes.

Steph

Re: Menopause!

I was already post menopausal when I started taking iodine. I had some extreme hot flashes where I needed to sleep with a towel under me because of all of the perspiration. It only happened a few times. I loved it, made me feel clean.Joan> > > Currently at 25mg (2 Iodoral) target 50mg.

Going back and forth > > with my physician over this..... the supplementaion with iodoral > > has expeidited my transition to menopause ....... more frequent hot > > flashes and etc. any other ladies in the Group has had similar > > experience... thanx in advance> >> >>

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most of the people of the us are iodine defficient.iodine is very important for the functioning of the body.

there is a good iodine group

On Thu, Jan 6, 2011 at 1:21 PM, Dr Know <dr2know2@...> wrote:

 

Has anyone ever checked if HIV patients are Iodine Deficient? Whether Iodine makes any difference to this set of illnesses?

From: ladybugsandbees <ladybugsandbees@...>iodine

Sent: Thu, January 6, 2011 11:08:01 AMSubject: Re: Re: Menopause! 

When my liver is overloaded I will get hot flashes.

 

Steph

 

Re: Menopause!

 

I was already post menopausal when I started taking iodine. I had some extreme hot flashes where I needed to sleep with a towel under me because of all of the perspiration. It only happened a few times. I loved it, made me feel clean.

Joan> > > Currently at 25mg (2 Iodoral) target 50mg. Going back and forth > > with my physician over this..... the supplementaion with iodoral

> > has expeidited my transition to menopause ....... more frequent hot > > flashes and etc. any other ladies in the Group has had similar > > experience... thanx in advance> >> >

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There is no discrepency about this group, it was a general question, I'm sure that there are HIV patients who are may also be suffering from cancer, the question to those who it may apply - has Iodine Deficiency- been tested for?

From: ido zahavi <zahavi100@...>iodine Sent: Thu, January 6, 2011 1:12:51 PMSubject: Re: HIV

most of the people of the us are iodine defficient.iodine is very important for the functioning of the body.

there is a good iodine group

On Thu, Jan 6, 2011 at 1:21 PM, Dr Know <dr2know2@...> wrote:

Has anyone ever checked if HIV patients are Iodine Deficient? Whether Iodine makes any difference to this set of illnesses?

From: ladybugsandbees <ladybugsandbees@...>iodine Sent: Thu, January 6, 2011 11:08:01 AMSubject: Re: Re: Menopause!

When my liver is overloaded I will get hot flashes.

Steph

Re: Menopause!

I was already post menopausal when I started taking iodine. I had some extreme hot flashes where I needed to sleep with a towel under me because of all of the perspiration. It only happened a few times. I loved it, made me feel clean.Joan> > > Currently at 25mg (2 Iodoral) target 50mg.

Going back and forth > > with my physician over this..... the supplementaion with iodoral > > has expeidited my transition to menopause ....... more frequent hot > > flashes and etc. any other ladies in the Group has had similar > > experience... thanx in advance> >> >>

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There is no discrepency about this group, it was a general question, I'm sure that there are HIV patients who are may also be suffering from cancer, the question to those who it may apply - has Iodine Deficiency- been tested for?

From: ido zahavi <zahavi100@...>iodine Sent: Thu, January 6, 2011 1:12:51 PMSubject: Re: HIV

most of the people of the us are iodine defficient.iodine is very important for the functioning of the body.

there is a good iodine group

On Thu, Jan 6, 2011 at 1:21 PM, Dr Know <dr2know2@...> wrote:

Has anyone ever checked if HIV patients are Iodine Deficient? Whether Iodine makes any difference to this set of illnesses?

From: ladybugsandbees <ladybugsandbees@...>iodine Sent: Thu, January 6, 2011 11:08:01 AMSubject: Re: Re: Menopause!

When my liver is overloaded I will get hot flashes.

Steph

Re: Menopause!

I was already post menopausal when I started taking iodine. I had some extreme hot flashes where I needed to sleep with a towel under me because of all of the perspiration. It only happened a few times. I loved it, made me feel clean.Joan> > > Currently at 25mg (2 Iodoral) target 50mg.

Going back and forth > > with my physician over this..... the supplementaion with iodoral > > has expeidited my transition to menopause ....... more frequent hot > > flashes and etc. any other ladies in the Group has had similar > > experience... thanx in advance> >> >>

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I am not aware of this particular group being tested or studied for effectiveness. But there are a few things we do know:

1. The majority if not all individuals living in the U.S. are iodine deficient

2. Iodine enhances the immune system

3. Iodine induces apoptosis - programmed cell death - of abnormal cells.

These are all good things for those who are sick.

Re: Menopause!

I was already post menopausal when I started taking iodine. I had some extreme hot flashes where I needed to sleep with a towel under me because of all of the perspiration. It only happened a few times. I loved it, made me feel clean.Joan> > > Currently at 25mg (2 Iodoral) target 50mg. Going back and forth > > with my physician over this..... the supplementaion with iodoral > > has expeidited my transition to menopause ....... more frequent hot > > flashes and etc. any other ladies in the Group has had similar > > experience... thanx in advance> >> >>

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