Re:STRUCTURED VORTEX WATER DEVICES

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The only way that I know of to actually test if you have structured

water is with an ORP/ Redox meter.  The surface tension could be

tested, but most people could never afford the equipment to do it.

Highly structured water will have a reading of between -600 and -800.

You can but a descent meter on ebay for less than $50 and what you

learn from it is quite useful. This is the same reading that you will

get when you dissolve a MegaHydrate tablet in a glass of water.  To

compare this,  a fresh strawberry has a Redox of -150 and most other

fresh fruits will be in this range.  This should give you a very good

idea of what you are dealing with.  Structured water is awesome stuff.

On 9/19/2010 11:00 PM, Wilkins wrote:

 

I loved the pictures . Let us know what brooks

replies . I havent had time to read the silver list lately. Does it

mater whether north or south is up on the magnet?

Loftin Wilkins

 

 

>> Is anyone familiar with vortex structured water devices? I am

really

>> confused by how many there are, how similar they look and by

how much

>> variation there is in price. I'm including links to some of

the ones I

>> looked at. I would appreciate comments on any of the devices

>> individually,

>> and/or the technology as a whole.

>>

>>

>>

>> http://www.futuretechtoday.com/health/Products/Water-Products/structured-water-unit.html

>> http://www.structuredwaterunit.com/

>> http://ultimatestructuredwater.com/home_unit.htm

>> http://photonicwater.com/

>>

>>

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[Guest guest]



Hi Jim,

I have an Extech Exstik ORP meter, but I don't know how accurate it is.

I'm going to try and run some tests to see what comes up.

1) Started with tap water from the sink. (TDS=385 ORP=+490) I then ran it through the blender device.......(ORP=+515)

2) Tap + a pinch of sea salt. (TDS=595 ORP=+480) I then ran it through the blender device.......................(ORP=+480)

3) Filtered water (TDS=05 ORP=+430) I ran it through the blender device..........................................................(ORP=+415)

4) Filtered water + pinch of sea salt. (TDS=245 ORP=+420) I ran it through the blender device.....................(ORP=+415)

Very disappointing results, to say the least. The vortex blending and the magnets don't seem to have any effect at all on the ORP.

Re: [ ] Re:STRUCTURED VORTEX WATER DEVICES

The only way that I know of to actually test if you have structured water is with an ORP/ Redox meter. The surface tension could be tested, but most people could never afford the equipment to do it. Highly structured water will have a reading of between -600 and -800. You can but a descent meter on ebay for less than $50 and what you learn from it is quite useful. This is the same reading that you will get when you dissolve a MegaHydrate tablet in a glass of water. To compare this, a fresh strawberry has a Redox of -150 and most other fresh fruits will be in this range. This should give you a very good idea of what you are dealing with. Structured water is awesome stuff.

[Guest guest]

That is a shame.  I was all set to try this and still may. I am a great

Viktor Schauberger fan also and have spent more than a few hours doing

home experiments with vortexes and electromagnetic fields. He was(is)

an undervalued genius.

On 9/20/2010 8:05 PM, paul catania wrote:

 



Hi Jim,

 

I have an Extech Exstik ORP meter, but I don't know

how accurate it is.

I'm going to try and run some tests to see what comes

up.

1) Started with tap water from the sink. (TDS=385 

ORP=+490) I then ran it through the blender device.......(ORP=+515)

 

2) Tap + a pinch of sea salt.   (TDS=595    ORP=+480) 

I then ran it through the blender

device.......................(ORP=+480)

 

3) Filtered water  (TDS=05  ORP=+430)   I ran it

through the blender

device..........................................................

(ORP=+415)

 

4) Filtered water + pinch of sea salt. (TDS=245 

ORP=+420)  I ran it through the blender

device.....................(ORP=+415)

 

Very disappointing results, to say the least. The

vortex blending and the magnets don't seem to have any effect at all on

the ORP.

 

Re: [ ] Re:STRUCTURED

VORTEX WATER DEVICES

 

The only way that I know of to actually test if you have

structured water is with an ORP/ Redox meter.  The surface tension

could be tested, but most people could never afford the equipment to do

it.

Highly structured water will have a reading of between -600 and -800.

You can but a descent meter on ebay for less than $50 and what you

learn from it is quite useful. This is the same reading that you will

get when you dissolve a MegaHydrate tablet in a glass of water.  To

compare this,  a fresh strawberry has a Redox of -150 and most other

fresh fruits will be in this range.  This should give you a very good

idea of what you are dealing with.  Structured water is awesome stuff.

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]



Hi Jim,

Are you sure about the validity of the relationship between "Structured Water and ORP"?

The following excerpt is from an article whose link follows....

Structured Water is extensively tested. It has a pH level of between 8.5 and 11 and it doesn’t have oxidizing reduction potential (ORP). Due to this, it is regarded as an outstanding natural anti-oxidant. Its anti-oxidant properties are able to clear the body of high acidic levels, toxins, and other accrued poisons.

http://www.lavenderessentialoils.com/alternative-medicine/structured-water-improves-your-chance-of-long-term-health

Re: [ ] Re:STRUCTURED VORTEX WATER DEVICES

The only way that I know of to actually test if you have structured water is with an ORP/ Redox meter. The surface tension could be tested, but most people could never afford the equipment to do it. Highly structured water will have a reading of between -600 and -800. You can but a descent meter on ebay for less than $50 and what you learn from it is quite useful. This is the same reading that you will get when you dissolve a MegaHydrate tablet in a glass of water. To compare this, a fresh strawberry has a Redox of -150 and most other fresh fruits will be in this range. This should give you a very good idea of what you are dealing with. Structured water is awesome stuff.

[Guest guest]

On 2010-09-21 11:31 AM, paul catania <squiggle2@...> wrote:

> *Structured Water is extensively tested. It has a pH level of between

> 8.5 and 11 and /it doesn’t have oxidizing reduction potential (ORP)./

> Due to this, it is regarded as an outstanding natural anti-oxidant. Its

> anti-oxidant properties are able to clear the body of high acidic

> levels, toxins, and other accrued poisons.*

ORP is measured in both positive (oxidizing potential) and negative

(antioxidant potential) terms. Do you mean it has an ORP of 0 (zero),

which would make it neutral?

[Guest guest]



I don't know what the proper ORP for structured water is, or should be. I'm only saying that I believe that the amount of structuring and the ORP are independent from each other. Hopefully, I'm correct.

I am re-posting my results with the blender.

1) Started with tap water from the sink. (TDS=385 ORP=+490) I then ran it through the blender device.......(ORP=+515)

2) Tap + a pinch of sea salt. (TDS=595 ORP=+480) I then ran it through the blender device.......................(ORP=+480)

3) Filtered water (TDS=05 ORP=+430) I ran it through the blender device..........................................................(ORP=+415)

4) Filtered water + pinch of sea salt. (TDS=245 ORP=+420) I ran it through the blender device.....................(ORP=+415)

Very disappointing results, to say the least. The vortex blending and the magnets don't seem to have any effect at all on the ORP.

Negative ORP is beneficial, and although these results are all in the positive 400 to 500 range, I'm hoping that the water was still structured to some degree.

Re: [ ] Re:STRUCTURED VORTEX WATER DEVICES

On 2010-09-21 11:31 AM, paul catania <squiggle2@...> wrote:> *Structured Water is extensively tested. It has a pH level of between> 8.5 and 11 and /it doesn’t have oxidizing reduction potential (ORP)./> Due to this, it is regarded as an outstanding natural anti-oxidant. Its> anti-oxidant properties are able to clear the body of high acidic> levels, toxins, and other accrued poisons.*ORP is measured in both positive (oxidizing potential) and negative(antioxidant potential) terms. Do you mean it has an ORP of 0 (zero),which would make it neutral?

[Guest guest]

You need to listen to Dr. Flanagan's tape on structured water. 

From there, you have to believe that he is correct in what he says. 

The guy is either a cook or a genius according to who you ask,  but I

am of a strong opinion that he is right on the money in his study with

water that he took from Dr. Henry Conanda, the inventor of snow

making.  He took Conanda's work and used it to develop MegaHydrate and

claims that it mimics the characteristics of Hunza Water.  

I have tested the ORP of MegaHydrate in water as I have said.  It does

exactly what Flanagan claims.  It also reduces the surface tension of

water to the point that particles that normally float in it sink.

Flanagan goes on to claim that unlike other antioxidants, the negative

hydrogen molecules do not stop working when they reduce the free

radical oxygen molecules to water...  I should probably listen to his

tape again, but I don't see how that can be.  Finally, I have seen this

stuff work in wonderful ways when it comes to wellness and health,  so

I have been a big fan of their work for many years.  Viktor Schauberger

was the father of all of this.

No one knows what Flanagan did to make his product and it is not

patented.  Some have attempted to duplicate it and I have tested their

products...  they simply do not cut it.  I would love to find a way to

duplicate the effect of MegaHydrate with elbow grease and you appeared

to do till you tested it.  One other way would be to live in the Andes

Mountains and gather your own water.  Flanagan says that his loses its

potency after a few years, but Hunza water never does (I have never

tested either statement).

Flanagan did claim that that he came up with temporary ways to do this

during his experiments before he hit on his answer, so it can be done

in other ways.  Certainly, yours made sense.  I gave you a simple test

for experimentation.  It is quick and costs nothing. So far, I have

come up with duds.

In any event, good luck with your work. I have great hopes that one of

us succeeds.

On 9/21/2010 11:31 AM, paul catania wrote:

 



Hi Jim,

Are you sure about the validity of the relationship

between "Structured Water and ORP"?

 

The following excerpt is from an article whose link

follows....

 

Structured Water is extensively tested. It has a pH

level of between 8.5 and 11 and it doesn’t have

oxidizing reduction potential (ORP). Due

to this, it is regarded as an outstanding natural anti-oxidant. Its

anti-oxidant properties are able to clear the body of high acidic

levels, toxins, and other accrued poisons.

 

http://www.lavenderessentialoils.com/alternative-medicine/structured-water-improves-your-chance-of-long-term-health

 

 

 

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Re:STRUCTURED VORTEX WATER DEVICES

 

The only way that I know of to actually test if you have

structured water is with an ORP/ Redox meter.  The surface tension

could be tested, but most people could never afford the equipment to do

it.

Highly structured water will have a reading of between -600 and -800.

You can but a descent meter on ebay for less than $50 and what you

learn from it is quite useful. This is the same reading that you will

get when you dissolve a MegaHydrate tablet in a glass of water.  To

compare this,  a fresh strawberry has a Redox of -150 and most other

fresh fruits will be in this range.  This should give you a very good

idea of what you are dealing with.  Structured water is awesome stuff.

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

:

By the way, I said that Hunza Water has an ORP of  -(minus)800 mv, not

+800 mv.  That is why it works as it does.  This is not just low...  it

is ridiculously low.  In fact, I have never seen anything that

duplicates the characteristics of Flanagan's MegaHydrate and I have

tried for years. If you drink that water every day, as Flanagan says,

you should live to be 130 yrs old. It all makes sense to me and so far,

it proves out. I have 62 years to go

:-)

Jim

On 9/21/2010 11:31 AM, paul catania wrote:

 



Hi Jim,

Are you sure about the validity of the relationship

between "Structured Water and ORP"?

 

The following excerpt is from an article whose link

follows....

 

Structured Water is extensively tested. It has a pH

level of between 8.5 and 11 and it doesn’t have

oxidizing reduction potential (ORP). Due

to this, it is regarded as an outstanding natural anti-oxidant. Its

anti-oxidant properties are able to clear the body of high acidic

levels, toxins, and other accrued poisons.

 

http://www.lavenderessentialoils.com/alternative-medicine/structured-water-improves-your-chance-of-long-term-health

 

 

 

Re: [ ]

Re:STRUCTURED VORTEX WATER DEVICES

 

The only way that I know of to actually test if you have

structured water is with an ORP/ Redox meter.  The surface tension

could be tested, but most people could never afford the equipment to do

it.

Highly structured water will have a reading of between -600 and -800.

You can but a descent meter on ebay for less than $50 and what you

learn from it is quite useful. This is the same reading that you will

get when you dissolve a MegaHydrate tablet in a glass of water.  To

compare this,  a fresh strawberry has a Redox of -150 and most other

fresh fruits will be in this range.  This should give you a very good

idea of what you are dealing with.  Structured water is awesome stuff.

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]



Hi again Jim,

I share your aspirations...130 is such a nice round number with a good ring to it. )

I'll check out Flannagan ( I've read about him in the past, but have forgotten most of what I read ) if you'll check out Clayton Nolte.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7jNWAdbhZUo & feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CTeSjE7jNUA & feature=related

Then we can compare notes...and I would welcome comments and/or suggestions from anyone else who wishes to join this worthy quest towards a 130 year old birthday party celebration.

Re: [ ] Re:STRUCTURED VORTEX WATER DEVICES

:By the way, I said that Hunza Water has an ORP of -(minus)800 mv, not +800 mv. That is why it works as it does. This is not just low... it is ridiculously low. In fact, I have never seen anything that duplicates the characteristics of Flanagan's MegaHydrate and I have tried for years. If you drink that water every day, as Flanagan says, you should live to be 130 yrs old. It all makes sense to me and so far, it proves out. I have 62 years to go :-) Jim

[Guest guest]

Hi :

Something that I did not make clear earlier is that Hunza Water  is a

particular kind of structured water. Thus, structured water is not the

same as in that it does not necessarily have all of the naturally

occurring nanoparticles suspended in it as does Hunza Water. 

Therefore, Hunza

Water is a specialized case of structured water. However, Hunza Water

is, of course, structured.  For this reason, your water may be

structured, but it is not really what I am looking for. 

MegaHydrate when dissolved in tap water immediately transforms it into

structured water,  so it can save those looking for Hunza Water a very

long trip, but they must pay for it.

Nolte's work with structured water is closely aligned with the Joe Cell

which employs structured water to run engines fueless.

In working with the Joe Cell (Cellery), we were always interested in

using structured water.  New water (rain water) has not achieved the

degree of freedom necessary and distilled water is dead as is piped

water.  The best source of structured water unless you happen to live

next to a mountain stream is an open surface spring...  and no,  well

water is

not the same, but it is far better than water confined to pipes if you

dip it in an old fashioned bucket and it is of high enough quality. 

Pipes and pressure kill structured water.

Also, see the very lovely work of Masaru Emoto http://www.unitedearth.com.au/watercrystals.html

Here he discovered the value of structured water through his study of

snow flakes and ice crystals.  This man pretty well had it figured out,

but his work has never found its way to the mainstream and it is

quickly being forgotten.  When it comes to this and related subjects, 

mainstream science is particularly disinterested.  Periodically, these

topics seem to find their way back into the public eye.  This seems to

occur in rather close cycles (with even the recent past being

completely disregarded or never uncovered) as apparently Nolte has done

in his work.  I have to ask, why has Nolte done this?

And also,  that of Dr. F. Batmanghelidj  http://www.watercure.com/

which is oriented toward the life giving effects of free flowing water.

Nolte's explanation for "entrainment" and that phenomenon was familiar

to me even though I had not heard his term for it. I had heard this

stated previously, though never actually tested it by his proximity

test.  It is well known that pouring a small amount of structured water

into a container of tap water will transform it (to a limit).

Needless to say, anyone who has studied the above work would not find

Clayton Nolte's particularly newsworthy,  but all would agree with what

he said.  However, I do share his enthusiasm for structured water..

Kind Regards,

Jim

On 9/21/2010 3:22 PM, paul catania wrote:

 



Hi again Jim,

I share your aspirations...130 is such a nice round

number with a good ring to it. )

I'll check out Flannagan ( I've read about him in the

past, but have forgotten most of what I read ) if you'll check out

Clayton Nolte.

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7jNWAdbhZUo & feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CTeSjE7jNUA & feature=related

 

Then we can compare notes...and I would welcome

comments and/or suggestions from anyone else who wishes to join this

worthy quest towards a 130 year old birthday party celebration.

 

 

 

Re: [ ] Re:STRUCTURED

VORTEX WATER DEVICES

 

:

By the way, I said that Hunza Water has an ORP of  -(minus)800 mv, not

+800 mv.  That is why it works as it does.  This is not just low...  it

is ridiculously low.  In fact, I have never seen anything that

duplicates the characteristics of Flanagan's MegaHydrate and I have

tried for years. If you drink that water every day, as Flanagan says,

you should live to be 130 yrs old. It all makes sense to me and so far,

it proves out. I have 62 years to go :-)

Jim

[Guest guest]

Jim,

Are you saying that distilled water cannot turn into structured water?

I read that one could with vortex, magnets and quartz crystals.

> >

> > 

> >

> > *Hi again Jim,*

> > *I share your aspirations...130 is such a nice round number with a

> > good ring to it. )*

> > *I'll check out Flannagan ( I've read about him in the past, but have

> > forgotten most of what I read ) if you'll check out Clayton Nolte.*

> >

> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7jNWAdbhZUo & feature=related

> > <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7jNWAdbhZUo & feature=related>

> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CTeSjE7jNUA & feature=related

> > <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CTeSjE7jNUA & feature=related>

> > *Then we can compare notes...and I would welcome comments and/or

> > suggestions from anyone else who wishes to join this worthy quest

> > towards a 130 year old birthday party celebration.*

> > **

> >

> > * Re: [ ] Re:STRUCTURED VORTEX

> > WATER DEVICES

> >

> > *:

> >

> > By the way, I said that Hunza Water has an ORP of -(minus)800 mv,

> > not +800 mv. That is why it works as it does. This is not just

> > low... it is ridiculously low. In fact, I have never seen

> > anything that duplicates the characteristics of Flanagan's

> > MegaHydrate and I have tried for years. If you drink that water

> > every day, as Flanagan says, you should live to be 130 yrs old. It

> > all makes sense to me and so far, it proves out. I have 62 years

> > to go :-)

> >

> > Jim*

> >

> >

>