Re: self contained classrooms

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My two youngest son's are in self contained classrooms. If you have the right teacher (who is certified, experienced, and patient) and a program that is tailored to meet your child's I.E.P. it's a good thing.

Sara

self contained classrooms

Hello everybody we might have the possiblity of getting our daughter in a self contained classroom. Does anyone have any experiance with this and what was the outcome of your child? We are going today to look at one. First thing this morning. ThanksTwilla

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Sara what do they have to be certified in? Can you explain this in a little more detail

Thanks

Twilla

Subject: Re: self contained classroomsTo: AutismBehaviorProblems Date: Friday, May 2, 2008, 6:52 AM

My two youngest son's are in self contained classrooms. If you have the right teacher (who is certified, experienced, and patient) and a program that is tailored to meet your child's I.E.P. it's a good thing.

Sara

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Twilla,

Certified in what ever your child's disability is. Most special ed teachers teaching kids with autism, do not have an autism endorsement, certificate, or specialized degree in autism. They usually have a Varying Exceptionalities degree, which is not optimal. When I was teaching special ed, I had a Master's degree in Specific Learning Disabilities, and taught learning disabled kids....period. With so many kids with autism on the rise, you would think that the degree would be mandatory.

Sara

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I thought they were all certified??

-----Original Message-----From: AutismBehaviorProblems [mailto:AutismBehaviorProblems ] On Behalf Of SaraSent: Friday, May 02, 2008 10:16 AMTo: AutismBehaviorProblems Subject: [sPAM]Re: self contained classrooms

Twilla,

Certified in what ever your child's disability is. Most special ed teachers teaching kids with autism, do not have an autism endorsement, certificate, or specialized degree in autism. They usually have a Varying Exceptionalities degree, which is not optimal. When I was teaching special ed, I had a Master's degree in Specific Learning Disabilities, and taught learning disabled kids....period. With so many kids with autism on the rise, you would think that the degree would be mandatory.

Sara

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I thought they were all certified??

-----Original Message-----From: AutismBehaviorProblems [mailto:AutismBehaviorProblems ] On Behalf Of SaraSent: Friday, May 02, 2008 10:16 AMTo: AutismBehaviorProblems Subject: [sPAM]Re: self contained classrooms

Twilla,

Certified in what ever your child's disability is. Most special ed teachers teaching kids with autism, do not have an autism endorsement, certificate, or specialized degree in autism. They usually have a Varying Exceptionalities degree, which is not optimal. When I was teaching special ed, I had a Master's degree in Specific Learning Disabilities, and taught learning disabled kids....period. With so many kids with autism on the rise, you would think that the degree would be mandatory.

Sara

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Yes, they are usually certified in 'something'. However, it may not necessarily be in the area your child is having a problem. In critical shortage areas, schools hire people with 4 year degrees (in whatever) and allow them to attend school to obtain a teaching certificate. They usually give them a 2 year deadline.

Sara

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I keep reading this term. What exactly does it mean?

Is this the same as a special day class or an autism

class or basially a special ed class.

Thanks for any insights.

Bonnie Sayers

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Bonnie,

A self-contained class means the children within the class all have a disability of some sort. They may or may not attend special areas (music, P.E., art) with other neurotypical (normal) students.

If your child is mainstreamed, he/she is attending a regular classroom (as a special ed student) and receives additional instruction from the teacher, and other specialists coming into the classroom. Coursework is modified to meet the child's I.E.P. goals and objectives.

Sara

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Twilla,

We just went to one last Mon for my son. He is in a special school right now, and althogh he scored low on his IQ, it is to high still to keep him there and I am not comfortable with this at all. The visit to the new school was ok, but I dont know, it seems way advanced for my little guy who just turned 5 even though it is spec ed. I dont know. And I found out too they dont do diapers so if he is not trained by then, they said if he has a BM i will have to go and change him. I really cant do that so he is a good candidate for a 1 on 1 aide. I really dont feel he is ready and should stay at where he is, but nope. He will be in a diagnostic kindergarden and it is all day too.

Stacie B

Aurora IL

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they dont do

> diapers so if he is not trained by then, they said if he has a BM i will

> have

> to go and change him. I really cant do that so he is a good candidate

> for a

> 1 on 1 aide.

What a ridiculous statement - " we don't do diapers " . Even some adults wear

diapers for various physical or cognitive reasons. It's not fair that they

would require five-year-olds with significant developmental disabilities to

be fully potty trained.

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I know and I am so frusterated. I dont want him to go to a mainstream school even if it is a spec ed diagnostic K to begin with and only 12 kids and 1 teacher and 2 aides. He can get a one on one aide, but I just dont agree that this is going to be good for my son. I dont know what to do, because the IEP at the special school he was going to, he cant stay there because they say he is high functioning which I say yeah right too. And his IQ was 67, still lower then it should be, but a year ago it was 48. And, to be able to stay where he is, he has to have a 50 or lower. I just dont know what to do. I hate this.

Stacie B

Aurora IL

they dont do> diapers so if he is not trained by then, they said if he has a BM i will > have> to go and change him. I really cant do that so he is a good candidate > for a> 1 on 1 aide.What a ridiculous statement - "we don't do diapers". Even some adults wear diapers for various physical or cognitive reasons. It's not fair that they would require five-year-olds with significant developmental disabilities to be fully potty trained.Astridastridastridvanwoerkomhttp://www.astridvanwoerkom.com/ I'm protected by SpamBravehttp://www.spambrave.com/ Wondering what's for Dinner Tonight? Get new twists on family favorites at AOL Food.

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stacie, It this program considered self contained? My classroom has 7 kids and 12 teacher and four aids. One aid is supposed to be for my son so he doesnt run away. Dont get me started on that. I would like to see him more in the mainstream but using strategies to really take advantage of being with normal developemtental children. Once they are in self contained it seems to me that it is a fight to get out. I also had a full day kindergarten, when our district only offers half day. His morning was a aba classroom and the afternoon was the self contained using teach strategies. But I need more behavioral help which I can t seem to accomplish. I say more one one is better at first but hard to break. My school does not listen to any suggestions from me. Children with autim

learn from normal developemental children. My experience, my son doesnt seem to want to play with children with the same issues as he, but TRIES to approach other children but doesnt know what to do from there. Which is probably why he . Kathy

Subject: Re: self contained classroomsTo: AutismBehaviorProblems Date: Friday, May 9, 2008, 5:12 AM

I know and I am so frusterated. I dont want him to go to a mainstream school even if it is a spec ed diagnostic K to begin with and only 12 kids and 1 teacher and 2 aides. He can get a one on one aide, but I just dont agree that this is going to be good for my son. I dont know what to do, because the IEP at the special school he was going to, he cant stay there because they say he is high functioning which I say yeah right too. And his IQ was 67, still lower then it should be, but a year ago it was 48. And, to be able to stay where he is, he has to have a 50 or lower. I just dont know what to do. I hate this.

Stacie B

Aurora IL

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they dont do> diapers so if he is not trained by then, they said if he has a BM i will > have> to go and change him. I really cant do that so he is a good candidate > for a> 1 on 1 aide.What a ridiculous statement - "we don't do diapers". Even some adults wear diapers for various physical or cognitive reasons. It's not fair that they would require five-year-olds with significant developmental disabilities to be fully potty trained.Astridastrid@astridvanwoe rkom.comhttp://www.astridva nwoerkom. com/ I'm protected by SpamBravehttp://www.spambrav

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Does self contained mean only special needs kids are in the class? If so then

yes it is! He is still at hope wall which is a special needs school cuz he is

still in preschool and will start this new school in the fall! It is a

diagnostic k class! I don't like this one bit and wish he could stay wrere he

is! He will have to have a one on one too cuz he is not potty trained! He runs

away too and I don't feel as if he will be safe there! It is an all day class

too!

Stacie B

Aurora IL

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Re: self contained classrooms

To: AutismBehaviorProblems

Date: Friday, May 9, 2008, 5:12 AM

I know and I am so frusterated.  I dont want him to go to a mainstream school

even if it is a spec ed diagnostic K to begin with and only 12 kids and 1

teacher and 2 aides.  He can get a one on one aide, but I just dont agree that

this is going to be good for my son.  I dont know what to do, because the IEP at

the special school he was going to, he cant stay there because they say he is

high functioning which I say yeah right too.  And his IQ was 67, still lower

then it should be, but a year ago it was 48.  And, to be able to stay where he

is, he has to have a 50 or lower.  I just dont know what to do.  I hate this.

 

Stacie B

Aurora IL

 

In a message dated 5/8/2008 9:47:00 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,

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they dont do

> diapers so if he is not trained by then, they said if he has a BM i will

> have

> to go and change him. I really cant do that so he is a good candidate

> for a

> 1 on 1 aide.

What a ridiculous statement - " we don't do diapers " . Even some adults wear

diapers for various physical or cognitive reasons. It's not fair that they

would require five-year-olds with significant developmental disabilities to

be fully potty trained.

Astrid

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I would not be complaining about the one on one aide. Most kids that need

that type of service don't receive it. It sounds like your son will be in a

very mild setting. This would include kids that are behind and need an

extra year to mature. They are not all special needs students.

Sara

Re: self contained classrooms

> To: AutismBehaviorProblems

> Date: Friday, May 9, 2008, 5:12 AM

>

>

>

>

>

> I know and I am so frusterated. I dont want him to go to a mainstream

> school even if it is a spec ed diagnostic K to begin with and only 12 kids

> and 1 teacher and 2 aides. He can get a one on one aide, but I just dont

> agree that this is going to be good for my son. I dont know what to do,

> because the IEP at the special school he was going to, he cant stay there

> because they say he is high functioning which I say yeah right too. And

> his IQ was 67, still lower then it should be, but a year ago it was 48.

> And, to be able to stay where he is, he has to have a 50 or lower. I just

> dont know what to do. I hate this.

>

> Stacie B

> Aurora IL

>

>

> In a message dated 5/8/2008 9:47:00 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,

> astrid@astridvanwoe rkom.com writes:

>

>

>

> they dont do

>> diapers so if he is not trained by then, they said if he has a BM i will

>> have

>> to go and change him. I really cant do that so he is a good candidate

>> for a

>> 1 on 1 aide.

>

> What a ridiculous statement - " we don't do diapers " . Even some adults wear

> diapers for various physical or cognitive reasons. It's not fair that they

> would require five-year-olds with significant developmental disabilities

> to

> be fully potty trained.

> Astrid

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self contained means in my district cross catagory, so all special needs children are in there. What is the definition of a diagnostic school that you are mentioning?

Subject: Re: self contained classrooms

To: AutismBehaviorProblems

Date: Friday, May 9, 2008, 5:12 AM

I know and I am so frusterated. I dont want him to go to a mainstream school

even if it is a spec ed diagnostic K to begin with and only 12 kids and 1

teacher and 2 aides. He can get a one on one aide, but I just dont agree that

this is going to be good for my son. I dont know what to do, because the IEP

at the special school he was going to, he cant stay there because they say he

is high functioning which I say yeah right too. And his IQ was 67, still

lower then it should be, but a year ago it was 48. And, to be able to stay

where he is, he has to have a 50 or lower. I just dont know what to do. I

hate this. Stacie B Aurora IL In a message dated 5/8/2008 9:47:00 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,

astrid@astridvanwoe rkom.com writes: they dont do

> diapers so if he is not trained by then, they said if he has a BM i will > have

> to go and change him. I really cant do that so he is a good candidate > for a

> 1 on 1 aide.

What a ridiculous statement - "we don't do diapers". Even some

adults wear diapers for various physical or cognitive reasons. It's not fair that they would require five-year-olds with significant developmental disabilities to be fully potty trained.

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Ok, so yeah all the kids in this room will be special needs! That is what I

thought it was but not sure! Anyhow from my understanding of a diagnostic K,

from what they told me when I asked was a spec ed classroom and kind of like an

observation period for the year to see what comes next for him!

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Date: Friday, May 9, 2008, 3:38 PM

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No it is not really a mild setting! Not that I think anyhow! runs and

gets away from me so that is what worries me about all of this and even a one on

one aide! I am his mom and he is fast, sneaky etc and can get away srom me! I

have to keep my eye on him all the time and watch him like a hawk!

Stacie B

Aurora IL

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Re: self contained classrooms

I would not be complaining about the one on one aide. Most kids that need

that type of service don't receive it. It sounds like your son will be in a

very mild setting. This would include kids that are behind and need an

extra year to mature. They are not all special needs students.

Sara

Re: self contained classrooms

> To: AutismBehaviorProblems

> Date: Friday, May 9, 2008, 5:12 AM

>

>

>

>

>

> I know and I am so frusterated. I dont want him to go to a mainstream

> school even if it is a spec ed diagnostic K to begin with and only 12 kids

> and 1 teacher and 2 aides. He can get a one on one aide, but I just dont

> agree that this is going to be good for my son. I dont know what to do,

> because the IEP at the special school he was going to, he cant stay there

> because they say he is high functioning which I say yeah right too. And

> his IQ was 67, still lower then it should be, but a year ago it was 48.

> And, to be able to stay where he is, he has to have a 50 or lower. I just

> dont know what to do. I hate this.

>

> Stacie B

> Aurora IL

>

>

> In a message dated 5/8/2008 9:47:00 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,

> astrid@astridvanwoe rkom.com writes:

>

>

>

> they dont do

>> diapers so if he is not trained by then, they said if he has a BM i will

>> have

>> to go and change him. I really cant do that so he is a good candidate

>> for a

>> 1 on 1 aide.

>

> What a ridiculous statement - " we don't do diapers " . Even some adults wear

> diapers for various physical or cognitive reasons. It's not fair that they

> would require five-year-olds with significant developmental disabilities

> to

> be fully potty trained.

> Astrid

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That sounds wierd. Has anyone ever heard of this before? Is this a

gloried name for self contained?

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This is exactly what I tell my school. I am more aware then everyone

else and I am always asking even in my house, where my son is. I

have told people about my son running but until it happens no one

takes me that serious. This is why he has a aide foloowing him

around because he has gotten out of the school building many times.

I dont want to worry you, but you are his mom you know more than

anyone. Dont push aside your mother instinct. kathy

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> > Subject: Re: self contained classrooms

> > To: AutismBehaviorProblems

> > Date: Friday, May 9, 2008, 5:12 AM

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > I know and I am so frusterated. I dont want him to go to a

mainstream

> > school even if it is a spec ed diagnostic K to begin with and

only 12 kids

> > and 1 teacher and 2 aides. He can get a one on one aide, but I

just dont

> > agree that this is going to be good for my son. I dont know what

to do,

> > because the IEP at the special school he was going to, he cant

stay there

> > because they say he is high functioning which I say yeah right

too. And

> > his IQ was 67, still lower then it should be, but a year ago it

was 48.

> > And, to be able to stay where he is, he has to have a 50 or

lower. I just

> > dont know what to do. I hate this.

> >

> > Stacie B

> > Aurora IL

> >

> >

> > In a message dated 5/8/2008 9:47:00 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,

> > astrid@astridvanwoe rkom.com writes:

> >

> >

> >

> > they dont do

> >> diapers so if he is not trained by then, they said if he has a

BM i will

> >> have

> >> to go and change him. I really cant do that so he is a good

candidate

> >> for a

> >> 1 on 1 aide.

> >

> > What a ridiculous statement - " we don't do diapers " . Even some

adults wear

> > diapers for various physical or cognitive reasons. It's not fair

that they

> > would require five-year-olds with significant developmental

disabilities

> > to

> > be fully potty trained.

> > Astrid

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My son is 5 and getting ready to start kindergarten in a different building than he was in for spec ed preschool. I am tearing my hair out about it because he is a runner and they aren't prepared for it (yet) at all. The building's main door just outside the special ed classroom has those push bars that anyone can easily operate and opens right to a street area. The other day when I visited I saw an older autistic boy alone in the hall and shortly after a para came running frantically out of the special ed class calling his name. Of all things to see on one of my few visits to the place so far! I am freaking out. The autism specialist for the area said the principal is working on

a plan. But I don't have high expectations. If they've had that 2nd grader in the school since kindergarten and still can't manage to keep him contained, they probably won't do well enough to contain my much more active little guy. The kid I saw has some physical limitations, so he is slower. Mine will be a mile away before they notice. I wish I could home school him. All I do is worry and think how if they lose him he may get hit by a car or drown in some creek. I also feel if he slips out of the class they'll never let me know. They could lose him every other day, even have to call 911 for help, and I don't know if I'd ever find out about it as long as he was found before school let out.

-Diane

Re: self contained classrooms> > To: AutismBehaviorProbl emsyahoogroups (DOT) com> > Date: Friday, May 9, 2008, 5:12 AM> >> >> >> >> >> > I know and I am so frusterated. I dont want him to go to a mainstream > > school even if it is a spec ed diagnostic K to begin with and only 12 kids > > and 1 teacher and 2 aides. He can get a one on one aide, but I just dont > > agree that this is going to be good for my son. I dont know what to do, > > because the IEP at the special school he was going to, he cant stay there > > because they say he is high functioning which I say yeah right too. And > > his IQ

was 67, still lower then it should be, but a year ago it was 48. > > And, to be able to stay where he is, he has to have a 50 or lower. I just > > dont know what to do. I hate this.> >> > Stacie B> > Aurora IL> >> >> > In a message dated 5/8/2008 9:47:00 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, > > astrid@astridvanwoe rkom.com writes:> >> >> >> > they dont do> >> diapers so if he is not trained by then, they said if he has a BM i will> >> have> >> to go and change him. I really cant do that so he is a good candidate> >> for a> >> 1 on 1 aide.> >> > What a ridiculous statement - "we don't do diapers". Even some adults wear> > diapers for various physical or cognitive reasons. It's

not fair that they> > would require five-year-olds with significant developmental disabilities > > to> > be fully potty trained.> > Astrid> > astrid@astridvanwoe rkom.com <mailto:astrid%40astridvanwoerkom. com>> > http://www.astridva nwoerkom. com/ <http://www.astridva nwoerkom. com/>> >> > I'm protected by SpamBrave> > http://www.spambrav> > e.com/ <http://www.spambrav e.com/>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >

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Diane, Thank you for your posting. I felt like I was the only mom ut

there that feels like you. I have been having terrible panic attacks

for the longest time and now condiering meds because I can not cope.

I cant stop worrying. Where do you live? I am in orland park

Illinois. We need to speak out about other peoples lack of empathy

for what we are feeling. I have already had the police looking for

my son twice, my husband was watching him both times. He doesnt even

know how serious this is. How will a stranger? the first time my

son escaped at school a sub told me the truth what happened, the

second time i found out by a slip by the speech path telling the ot

that my son escaped a ran to the busy street that was a year after it

really happened.. How many more times has this happened I dont know

because they dont tell. What gets me is I cant trust my school to

tell me what has happened throughout his day, let alone trust them

that my son is safe. Unfortunately a child will be missing or hurt

before this situation will ever get better for us. Kathy

-- In AutismBehaviorProblems , D LeFort

wrote:

>

> My son is 5 and getting ready to start kindergarten in a different

building than he was in for spec ed preschool.  I am tearing my hair

out about it because he is a runner and they aren't prepared for it

(yet) at all.  The building's main door just outside the special ed

classroom has those push bars that anyone can easily operate and

opens right to a street area.  The other day when I visited I saw an

older autistic boy alone in the hall and shortly after a para came

running frantically out of the special ed class calling his name. Of

all things to see on one of my few visits to the place so far!  I am

freaking out.  The autism specialist for the area said the principal

is working on a plan.  But I don't have high expectations.  If

they've had that 2nd grader in the school since kindergarten and

still can't manage to keep him contained, they probably won't do well

enough to contain my much more active little guy.  The kid I saw has

some

> physical limitations, so he is slower.  Mine will be a mile away

before they notice.  I wish I could home school him.  All I do is

worry and think how if they lose him he may get hit by a car or drown

in some creek.  I also feel if he slips out of the class they'll

never let me know.  They could lose him every other day, even have to

call 911 for help, and I don't know if I'd ever find out about it as

long as he was found before school let out.

> -Diane  

>

>

> Re: self contained classrooms

> > > To: AutismBehaviorProbl emsyahoogroups (DOT) com

> > > Date: Friday, May 9, 2008, 5:12 AM

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > I know and I am so frusterated. I dont want him to go to a

> mainstream

> > > school even if it is a spec ed diagnostic K to begin with and

> only 12 kids

> > > and 1 teacher and 2 aides. He can get a one on one aide, but I

> just dont

> > > agree that this is going to be good for my son. I dont know

what

> to do,

> > > because the IEP at the special school he was going to, he cant

> stay there

> > > because they say he is high functioning which I say yeah right

> too. And

> > > his IQ was 67, still lower then it should be, but a year ago it

> was 48.

> > > And, to be able to stay where he is, he has to have a 50 or

> lower. I just

> > > dont know what to do. I hate this.

> > >

> > > Stacie B

> > > Aurora IL

> > >

> > >

> > > In a message dated 5/8/2008 9:47:00 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,

> > > astrid@astridvanwoe rkom.com writes:

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > they dont do

> > >> diapers so if he is not trained by then, they said if he has a

> BM i will

> > >> have

> > >> to go and change him. I really cant do that so he is a good

> candidate

> > >> for a

> > >> 1 on 1 aide.

> > >

> > > What a ridiculous statement - " we don't do diapers " . Even some

> adults wear

> > > diapers for various physical or cognitive reasons. It's not

fair

> that they

> > > would require five-year-olds with significant developmental

> disabilities

> > > to

> > > be fully potty trained.

> > > Astrid

> > > astrid@astridvanwoe rkom.com <mailto:astrid%

> 40astridvanwoerkom. com>

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We have developmental kindergarten in our county. It's probably what she is referring to. It's basically an extra year of kindergarten. The kids are developmentally delayed (and depending on the problem, they may catch up with their peers). The teacher is usually an ESE teacher, but the child may or may not be ESE.

Sara

Re: self contained classrooms

To: AutismBehaviorProblems

Date: Friday, May 9, 2008, 5:12 AM

I know and I am so frusterated. I dont want him to go to a mainstream school

even if it is a spec ed diagnostic K to begin with and only 12 kids and 1

teacher and 2 aides. He can get a one on one aide, but I just dont agree that

this is going to be good for my son. I dont know what to do, because the IEP

at the special school he was going to, he cant stay there because they say he

is high functioning which I say yeah right too. And his IQ was 67, still

lower then it should be, but a year ago it was 48. And, to be able to stay

where he is, he has to have a 50 or lower. I just dont know what to do. I

hate this. Stacie B Aurora IL In a message dated 5/8/2008 9:47:00 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,

astrid@astridvanwoe rkom.com writes: they dont do

> diapers so if he is not trained by then, they said if he has a BM i will > have

> to go and change him. I really cant do that so he is a good candidate > for a

> 1 on 1 aide.

What a ridiculous statement - "we don't do diapers". Even some

adults wear diapers for various physical or cognitive reasons. It's not fair that they would require five-year-olds with significant developmental disabilities to be fully potty trained.

Astrid

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Don’t back down from this issue

Diane – it is a serious safety issue…and you don’t have to

let them dictate how it will be handled. The Federal Law mandates that he

be provided with a Free & Appropriate Public Education. I doubt ANY

judge would consider a physical environment that does not accommodate his

physical safety to be appropriate. Do NOT be afraid to take them to a

hearing on this. The habit of children with Autism to wander, run, or

bolt, as well as their inability or extreme difficulty understanding the entire

concept of personal danger or safety in ANY respect is well documented in all

the basic literature on Autism. They can’t chalk it up to

misbehavior if he has that diagnosis. If he has Autism and has documented

cases of running off (the official term is Elopement, if I recall correctly)

then get an IEP meeting set up to discuss this safety issue specifically.

First, write a polite letter to the admin stating matter-of-factly

that you are requesting an IEP meeting to discuss the issue of physical safety

for your son due to his disability’s symptom of running away without

understanding safety issues, and asking what the procedure or system is going

to be that will ensure his safety while he learns at that school. They

are REQUIRED by law to respond to your letter one way or another within 10 days

I believe. If they mess around the issue and give vague answers or a

general “don’t worry a plan is in place, he’ll be

safe”…ask to see the plan in writing. If they don’t

cooperate or the ‘plan’ isn’t acceptable, say

so….”I’m sorry, but this plan is in adequate to ensure the

safety of my son while he is a disabled child in your school.” And

follow it up with a letter restating that and clarifying their

“response”. Keep all your documentation. And if they

can’t come up with something that assures you he will be safe from this

symptom, respectfully state that you’ll be requesting a due process

hearing to have someone mediate this issue and determine what must be done to

keep him safe. That may be the school hiring other staff or making

accommodations on campus, or it may end up being a placement in another

facility. Just don’t back down – it is a HARD fight, I know,

trust me… But when they are in Kindy and First/Second

grade it is vital that we fight for these needs for them, to give them the best

chance in later years where expectations of them will be so much higher.

An EXCELLENT place to browse and learn

about effective ways to advocate with schools is www.wrightslaw.org. One great piece

of advice I got from a private school administrator that was helping us

advocate, was to buy a copy of the book “Special Education Law” and

just take it to the meetings with you, with a few post-it notes flagging

sections. You won’t usually ever have to open it but it sends a

message that you either know what the rights are, or you are doing what is

needed to find out.

DON”T GIVE UP!

Hugs, sister…

Dora in WA State, fighting alongside

you…

From:

AutismBehaviorProblems

[mailto:AutismBehaviorProblems ] On Behalf Of D LeFort

Sent: Friday, May 09, 2008 10:57

AM

To:

AutismBehaviorProblems

Subject: Re: self

contained classrooms

My son is 5 and getting ready to start kindergarten in a different

building than he was in for spec ed preschool. I am tearing my hair out

about it because he is a runner and they aren't prepared for it (yet) at all.

The building's main door just outside the special ed classroom has those push

bars that anyone can easily operate and opens right to a street area. The

other day when I visited I saw an older autistic boy alone in the hall and

shortly after a para came running frantically out of the special ed class

calling his name. Of all things to see on one of my few visits to the

place so far! I am freaking out. The autism specialist for the area

said the principal is working on a plan. But I don't have high expectations.

If they've had that 2nd grader in the school since kindergarten and still can't

manage to keep him contained, they probably won't do well enough to contain my

much more active little guy. The kid I saw has some physical limitations,

so he is slower. Mine will be a mile away before they notice. I

wish I could home school him. All I do is worry and think how if they

lose him he may get hit by a car or drown in some creek. I also

feel if he slips out of the class they'll never let me know.

They could lose him every other day, even have to call 911 for help, and I

don't know if I'd ever find out about it as long as he was found before school

let out.

-Diane

Re: self contained classrooms

> > To: AutismBehaviorProbl

emsyahoogroups (DOT) com

> > Date: Friday, May 9, 2008, 5:12 AM

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > I know and I am so frusterated. I dont want him to go to a

mainstream

> > school even if it is a spec ed diagnostic K to begin with and

only 12 kids

> > and 1 teacher and 2 aides. He can get a one on one aide, but I

just dont

> > agree that this is going to be good for my son. I dont know what

to do,

> > because the IEP at the special school he was going to, he cant

stay there

> > because they say he is high functioning which I say yeah right

too. And

> > his IQ was 67, still lower then it should be, but a year ago it

was 48.

> > And, to be able to stay where he is, he has to have a 50 or

lower. I just

> > dont know what to do. I hate this.

> >

> > Stacie B

> > Aurora

IL

> >

> >

> > In a message dated 5/8/2008 9:47:00 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,

> > astrid@astridvanwoe rkom.com

writes:

> >

> >

> >

> > they dont do

> >> diapers so if he is not trained by then, they said if he has a

BM i will

> >> have

> >> to go and change him. I really cant do that so he is a good

candidate

> >> for a

> >> 1 on 1 aide.

> >

> > What a ridiculous statement - " we don't do diapers " . Even

some

adults wear

> > diapers for various physical or cognitive reasons. It's not fair

that they

> > would require five-year-olds with significant developmental

disabilities

> > to

> > be fully potty trained.

> > Astrid

> > astrid@astridvanwoe rkom.com

<mailto:astrid%

40astridvanwoerkom. com>

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nwoerkom. com/

<http://www.astridva

nwoerkom. com/>

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Thanks so much for the info, Dora!

-Diane

Re: self contained classrooms> > To: AutismBehaviorProbl emsyahoogroups (DOT) com> > Date: Friday, May 9, 2008, 5:12 AM> >> >> >> >> >> > I know and I am so frusterated. I dont want him to go to a mainstream > > school even if it is a spec ed diagnostic K to begin with and only 12 kids > > and 1 teacher and 2 aides. He can get a one on one aide, but I just dont > > agree that this is going to be good for my son. I dont know what to do, > > because the IEP at the special school he was going to, he cant stay there > > because they say he is high

functioning which I say yeah right too. And > > his IQ was 67, still lower then it should be, but a year ago it was 48. > > And, to be able to stay where he is, he has to have a 50 or lower. I just > > dont know what to do. I hate this.> >> > Stacie B> > Aurora IL> >> >> > In a message dated 5/8/2008 9:47:00 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, > > astrid@astridvanwoe rkom.com writes:> >> >> >> > they dont do> >> diapers so if he is not trained by then, they said if he has a BM i will> >> have> >> to go and change him. I really cant do that so he is a good candidate> >> for a> >> 1 on 1 aide.> >> > What a ridiculous statement - "we don't do diapers". Even some

adults wear> > diapers for various physical or cognitive reasons. It's not fair that they> > would require five-year-olds with significant developmental disabilities > > to> > be fully potty trained.> > Astrid> > astrid@astridvanwoe rkom.com <mailto:astrid%40astridvanwoerkom. com>> > http://www.astridva nwoerkom. com/ <http://www.astridva nwoerkom. com/>> >> > I'm protected by SpamBrave> > http://www.spambrav> > e.com/ <http://www.spambrav

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You are more than welcome – feel free to

contact me if I can be of any more help.

Dora

From: AutismBehaviorProblems

[mailto:AutismBehaviorProblems ] On Behalf Of D LeFort

Sent: Friday, May 09, 2008 6:22 PM

To:

AutismBehaviorProblems

Subject: Re: self

contained classrooms

Thanks so much for the info, Dora!

-Diane

Re: self contained classrooms

> > To: AutismBehaviorProbl

emsyahoogroups (DOT) com

> > Date: Friday, May 9, 2008, 5:12 AM

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > I know and I am so frusterated. I dont want him to go to a

mainstream

> > school even if it is a spec ed diagnostic K to begin with and

only 12 kids

> > and 1 teacher and 2 aides. He can get a one on one aide, but I

just dont

> > agree that this is going to be good for my son. I dont know what

to do,

> > because the IEP at the special school he was going to, he cant

stay there

> > because they say he is high functioning which I say yeah right

too. And

> > his IQ was 67, still lower then it should be, but a year ago it

was 48.

> > And, to be able to stay where he is, he has to have a 50 or

lower. I just

> > dont know what to do. I hate this.

> >

> > Stacie B

> > Aurora

IL

> >

> >

> > In a message dated 5/8/2008 9:47:00 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,

> > astrid@astridvanwoe rkom.com

writes:

> >

> >

> >

> > they dont do

> >> diapers so if he is not trained by then, they said if he has a

BM i will

> >> have

> >> to go and change him. I really cant do that so he is a good

candidate

> >> for a

> >> 1 on 1 aide.

> >

> > What a ridiculous statement - " we don't do diapers " . Even

some

adults wear

> > diapers for various physical or cognitive reasons. It's not fair

that they

> > would require five-year-olds with significant developmental

disabilities

> > to

> > be fully potty trained.

> > Astrid

> > astrid@astridvanwoe rkom.com

<mailto:astrid%

40astridvanwoerkom. com>

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nwoerkom. com/

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