Re: (amino stacking) danger? (Duncan)

[Guest guest]

Duncan, et al,

I took a reputable generic hGH for 9 months. When I start again soon I

have decided to spend the approx 1/3 more to get either Humatrope or

Genotropin. I have done Humatrope a little, enough to know it IS better

than generic. You get what you pay for. If you want to go the injection

route, get the Lilly or Genentech product. You will be glad you did. Do

a good one, even if you have to do less of it.

jim

Duncan Crow wrote:

>Incidentally, to look for cheap injectable HGH, use offshore HGH keywords to

locate Mexican product for a fraction of the US

>prices. You apparently still need a prescription.

>

>ciao

>

>Duncan

>

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[Guest guest]

So, Jim, how much money are we talking about for a 'good' one?

Deanna

Re: (amino stacking)

danger? (Duncan)

I have decided to spend the approx 1/3 more to get either Humatrope or

Genotropin. I have done Humatrope a little, enough to know it IS better than

generic. You get what you pay for. If you want to go the injection route, get

the Lilly or Genentech product. You will be glad you did. Do a good one, even if

you have to do less of it. jim

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Duncan Crow wrote: Incidentally, to look for cheap injectable HGH, use

offshore HGH keywords to locate Mexican product for a fraction of the US prices.

You apparently still need

a prescription.

[Guest guest]

Deanna,

I expect prices would be going down. About 18 months ago I was getting

offered $11/per IU for a good generic. Humatrope was going for $15 from

the same vendor. You can shop around with a good doctor who isn't making

a cut from the pharmacist. That's what's happening if you can only buy

from the pharmacies that the MD recommends. If you're paying over $20 a

unit, the MD is a thief, unless prices have skyrocketed!

The average dose is 1 IU per day, usually recommended in 2 - 1/2 IU

doses. My Rx was 2 IU daily. I got tired of the 2X needles so I switched

to once a day. They say it is less effective, but I didn't notice much

difference. There was a lot of discussion about molecule size & would it

go thru a #30 needle. I settled on #29, and you don't even feel them

unless they hit a pain sensor right on the head - about 1 in 7 chance.

I learned a lot on the Rejuvenation list on yahoogroups.com. I found it

a rude list, but very informative. The listowner makes a living in

Mexico City by arranging trips for Americans who want to come down & get

their batch of Humatrope, which sells in MExico. In the US, by some

agreement, Humatrope is only available in the US for pediatric use.

Politics. If you can afford to buy say $5000 at a time, you can save a

lot by going to Mexico. Something like $7 IU?

The hGH molecule has 126 or 127 genes. Humatrope is considered better

than Genotropin because Genentech's is 1 gene short of a perfect match,

where Humatrope is an exact match. Either is better than a generic, IMO.

jim

Deanna wrote:

>So, Jim, how much money are we talking about for a 'good' one?

>Deanna

> Re: (amino stacking)

danger? (Duncan)

> I have decided to spend the approx 1/3 more to get either Humatrope or

Genotropin. I have done Humatrope a little, enough to know it IS better than

generic. You get what you pay for. If you want to go the injection route, get

the Lilly or Genentech product. You will be glad you did. Do a good one, even if

you have to do less of it. jim

> ********

> Duncan Crow wrote: Incidentally, to look for cheap injectable HGH, use

offshore HGH keywords to locate Mexican product for a fraction of the US prices.

You apparently still need

> a prescription.

>

>

--

Before you deny yourself something you want in your heart, ask yourself,

" If not me, Who? If not now, when? " -- jim

jlambert@... http://www.entrance.to/madscience/home.html

http://www.entrance.to/poetry/poems1.html

[Guest guest]

Jim, I was told by a member of the rejuvenation list that a person only

has a small amount of hgh, and that the AAs will stimulate release of

it, and then that is " IT " ; there is no more.

Injectables on the other hand, ARE hgh, and so there is no " using up "

of it.

What's the skinny?

BTW, I havebeen taking the SomaLife for 3 weeks....and 'm satisfied

with the results.

I do construction work ( age 50) and there used to be many evenings

where I would not go out after work from lack of energy. This is another

area of improvement. I go out and look forward to it.

This is after a day of a 1-1 1/2 hr, workout and then the job.

[Guest guest]

alltogether,

You said it pretty well. The secretagogues probably get more out of the

pituitary than was there before them, because the ingredients include

precursor goodies. Give the brain nutrients & it will make the goods for

you. I call my brain nutrients the " happy pills. " Feed the brain & it

gets happy. Do not construe this to mean your problems will go away. But

you will handle them better.

And, yes, if you inject hGH, YOU GET HAPPier QUICKer! I used to kid that

you could put me on a rack & stretch me 6 inches, and I would still be

happy! ;-) At least, most people do & the rest aren't scare stories.

Donna says she didn't like it. I forget why. Donna?

SHe prefers colostrum & her brand is the best! I get mine from her. It

is g-double-O-good stuff! Colostrum is like injections in the sense that

it isn't a seecretagogue. Colostrum contains many IGF's, not just IGF-1.

It is Nature's magick to fix up babies and make them happy! And, it

isn't age or specie specific! It is good stuff. BTW, they feed the

calves first, and harvest only the extra, of which there is plenty.

jim

alltogethernow@... wrote:

>Jim, I was told by a member of the rejuvenation list that a person only

>has a small amount of hgh, and that the AAs will stimulate release of

>it, and then that is " IT " ; there is no more.

> Injectables on the other hand, ARE hgh, and so there is no " using up "

>of it.

>

> What's the skinny?

>

> BTW, I havebeen taking the SomaLife for 3 weeks....and 'm satisfied

>with the results.

> I do construction work ( age 50) and there used to be many evenings

>where I would not go out after work from lack of energy. This is another

>area of improvement. I go out and look forward to it.

> This is after a day of a 1-1 1/2 hr, workout and then the job.

>

>

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[Guest guest]

Which brand of Colostrum?

Jim Lambert wrote:

>

> alltogether,

>

> You said it pretty well. The secretagogues probably get more out of the

> pituitary than was there before them, because the ingredients include

> precursor goodies. Give the brain nutrients & it will make the goods for

> you. I call my brain nutrients the " happy pills. " Feed the brain & it

> gets happy. Do not construe this to mean your problems will go away. But

> you will handle them better.

>

> And, yes, if you inject hGH, YOU GET HAPPier QUICKer! I used to kid that

> you could put me on a rack & stretch me 6 inches, and I would still be

> happy! ;-) At least, most people do & the rest aren't scare stories.

> Donna says she didn't like it. I forget why. Donna?

>

> SHe prefers colostrum & her brand is the best! I get mine from her. It

> is g-double-O-good stuff! Colostrum is like injections in the sense that

> it isn't a seecretagogue. Colostrum contains many IGF's, not just IGF-1.

> It is Nature's magick to fix up babies and make them happy! And, it

> isn't age or specie specific! It is good stuff. BTW, they feed the

> calves first, and harvest only the extra, of which there is plenty.

>

> jim

>

[Guest guest]

Jim, So do I understand correctly that you'll be doing both the colostrum and

the injections?

Or not? If so, what might be the advantages to this, or if not, the

disadvantages? Please tell

me in terms that a very ignorant person with brain fog might comprehend. Thanks

a bunch.

Deanna

************

Re: (amino stacking)

danger? (Duncan)

Donna?SHe prefers colostrum & her brand is the best! I get mine from her. It

is g-double-O-good stuff! Colostrum is like injections in the sense that it

isn't a seecretagogue. Colostrum contains many IGF's, not just IGF-1. It is

Nature's magick to fix up babies and make them happy! And, it isn't age or

specie specific! It is good stuff. BTW, they feed the calves first, and harvest

only the extra, of which there is plenty. jim

[Guest guest]

Hi Deanna,

I am curious. Why do you have brain fog and what do you mean by that term,

as people oftentimes attach a meaning to a term and then assume that

everyone else has attached an identical meaning.

Much Goodwill,

Re: (amino stacking) danger? (Duncan)

Jim, So do I understand correctly that you'll be doing both the colostrum

and the injections?

Or not? If so, what might be the advantages to this, or if not, the

disadvantages? Please tell

me in terms that a very ignorant person with brain fog might comprehend.

Thanks a bunch.

Deanna

************

Re: (amino stacking)

danger? (Duncan)

Donna?SHe prefers colostrum & her brand is the best! I get mine from her.

It is g-double-O-good stuff! Colostrum is like injections in the sense that

it isn't a seecretagogue. Colostrum contains many IGF's, not just IGF-1. It

is Nature's magick to fix up babies and make them happy! And, it isn't age

or specie specific! It is good stuff. BTW, they feed the calves first, and

harvest only the extra, of which there is plenty. jim

[Guest guest]

> Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 19:51:05 -0400

>

>

> There was a lot of discussion about molecule size & would

> it go thru a #30 needle. I settled on #29, and you don't

> even feel them unless they hit a pain sensor right on the

> head - about 1 in 7 chance.

This reminds me of a question I have been meaning to ask, Jim...

Is it injected directly into an artery or vein? Or is it injected into a

muscle?

The reason I ask is I was wondering if it wouldn't be just as effective to

mix it with some DMSO and just absorb it through the skin, rather than

inject it.

And yes, I hate needles - not as much about the pain, but I just don't like

the idea of injections - seems contrary to 'nature', if you get my drift.

Thanks

[Guest guest]

> Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 20:51:35 -0400 (EDT)

> From: alltogethernow@...

>

> Jim, I was told by a member of the rejuvenation list that a person only

> has a small amount of hgh, and that the AAs will stimulate release of

> it, and then that is " IT " ; there is no more.

My take on this would be:

It depends.

If you make no other changes in your lifestyle, and continue to eat the

S.A.D. diet - which caused the drop in hGH production (among other things)

in the first place - then yes, taking the AA stack could simply

over-stimulate an already overwrought gland to its last gasps...

On the other hand...

If you change your lifestyle to one that supports your body's natural

ability to heal and rejuvenate itself, then the above statement is

laughable. The pituitary gland is not a *storage* facility - it

*produces* - aka, *generates*, hGH (among other things), and it does so

until the day you die. The reason its production slowly drops off is *not*

because you have crossed some imaginary line of 'fertility', as someone else

suggested - it is because the average American eats dead and adulterated

garbage that both pollute and deplete the body, instead of living foods that

promote internal cleanliness and provide lots of 'raw' (pun intended)

material tha the body can easily to use to manufacture everything from

enzymes and amino acids to hGH and seratonin, etc, etc...

The body is a marvelous piece of engineeing - all we have to do is learn how

to maintain it (thanks, Saul, for the manual!)...