Re: Re: Where are the studies?

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I don't need a specific study on vitamin C and autism to work out what

vitamin C may help with. And to ignore the thousands of studies on

vitamin C, just because it is not specific to autism to me seems

foolish.

natasa778 wrote:

No you will not find them, . What you will find is thousands

of in

vitro studies, and dozens of clinical studies on subjects with

conditions other than autism.

You will find very few studies on any of those product tried clinically

for effectiveness in autism, which is what we are talking about here...

Point in question: you will NOT be able to find a study on pubmed on

enzymes for autism. What you will find is enzymes doing this and that in

lab dishes, and maybe enzymes doing this and that in say pancreatic

cancer (just an example). From that we can then make theories that this

thing could be effective, and why, in autism.

On that same note, we can read what effects these patches have in the

lab, and we can read what effects they had on say marathon runners, and

from that we can guess if and why these would be helpful for autism...

natasa

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not true, Dr Shaws book has all kinds of studies on these kinds of thing, Dr McCandless, and countless other books for the ASD community quote studies on these kind of things

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Re: Where are the studies?

No you will not find them, . What you will find is thousands of invitro studies, and dozens of clinical studies on subjects withconditions other than autism.You will find very few studies on any of those product tried clinicallyfor effectiveness in autism, which is what we are talking about here...Point in question: you will NOT be able to find a study on pubmed onenzymes for autism. What you will find is enzymes doing this and that inlab dishes, and maybe enzymes doing this and that in say pancreaticcancer (just an example). From that we can then make theories that thisthing could be effective, and why, in autism.On that same note, we can read what effects these patches have in thelab, and we can read what effects they had on say marathon runners, andfrom that we can guess if and why these would be helpful for autism...natasa> > >> > > http://www.lifewave.com/rep_page.asp> > <http://www.lifewave.com/rep_page.asp>> >> > back to top <http://www.lifewave.com/research_info.asp#top>> >> >>

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You're point exactly? Really? Cause that's not how it reads.

It reads more like "we've got the same lack of proof as everybody

else". And I don't think that is true.

There ARE thousands of relevant studies and there are a lot on autism

too.

But the main point to consider is that I have seen enough scientific

evidence to suggest that the law of gravity might also apply to my

child even though they are autistic. So letting them jump from a great

height may not be a good idea.

Science does not have to be specific to a condition to be relevant to

that condition.

On another note, a lot of studies are not THAT hard, or THAT expensive,

but this is often an excuse given by companies or practitioners that

don't want people

to know the results of the studies that they don't want to do.

Someone mentioned NCD zeolite as a case in point. They kept promising

study after study. Nothing ever came. They could easily and

inexpensively replicate the LESKOVA study for heavy metal removal, but

they didn't. Instead they kept promising, and eventually put something

out as preliminary research information, which was later shown to be an

amalgamation of directly plagiarized writings from other papers. But

it sounded good. That's the main thing.....right?

Anyway, we are talking at cross purposes.

There are plenty of biomedical interventions for autism that have real,

reproducible science behind them.

You imply something else when you claim "you will not find them, ."

natasa778 wrote:

my point exactly

natasa

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Have to agree with the importance of the precursors.

Given fundamentally we are dealing with a methylation issue, then any

direct supplementation of glutathione is always going to be a short

term "band aid" fix and not a long term solution to the underlying

problems.

And of course you only have to look at the Rooney paper and other

associated research to see there could be a very big down side to

direct glutathione supplementation for a heavy metal toxic patient.

But most people only go so far as to say "hey look, Glutathione is

low.... lets supplement it!"

They don't even try to get to the bottom of WHY it is low in the first

place.

sue_lwsn wrote:

-Hello Sue, The companies you have mentioned generally make

singular

or combinations of vitamins/minerals etc that the children require as

part of their regime.The vits and mins are not themselves a "product"

that can be trademarked. For example milk thistle is a herb. No one

company owns the herb. We use Kirkmans as there is a degree of

satisfaction with their brand as I know it is hypoallergenic and

specially formaulated. However, i will use any company that I feel

offers a high quality. No one owns herbs, minerals etc.

I think it is great that the offer is there for some of the DANs and

their patients to try out the patches. It will be interesting to see

what happens.

I still do not believe though that we can normalise this metabolic

issue through the skin. i wish we could!! I am trying to my son to

improvce his detox pathways. It is a strugfle for us all. I am sure

that all the comlimentary meds such as reflexology help the body in

many, many ways. Us mothers and fathers could do with it ourselves.

Critically, once someone makes a product, they do have an obligation

to prove as near dammit that it doeas exactly what it says on the

label. I cannot argue with a pot of herbs. It doesn't promise me

anything. I will take a herbal supplement and hope it helps me. These

patches are promising a hell of a lot for an incredibly complex set

of biochemical pathways aren't they?

I will still put my money on supplying the precursers in those

pathways, such as MB12, and getting rid of the metals which affect

the production of glutathione itself. Let's get real.

Sue

>

> Hi from Sue,

>

> Wow..lots happens on my day of rest/ not posting.(Sundays:)

>

> I find it interesting that everyone is so concerned about LW

studies...

> YET I have not seen anyone ask where are the studies for the

products others use?

> Please tell me the studies for :

> All of -------Kirkman's products

> All of -------Glutathione creams you use

> All of --------New Beginnings products

> All of---------All vitamins you use..

> ETC... ETC...

> hmmmm do I detect a bias?..

> I know of no other company who has done over 30 studies on 5

products that their company sells.

> Please show me those companies:)

> Here are some of the over 30 ---many are independent studies LW

has

HAD others do on their products.

>

> The PUBLISHED study on LW Y-age Glutathione patches (AKA Skin Care

Patches..)

> is found when clicking on the "product" category..on the

website...

http://www.lifewave.com/fundingASDresearch

> Then you'll see it on the left blue box...the FIRST ONE in the

HIPPOCRATES mag. under research.

> Please print and share it with your doctor if you decide to use

the

patches.

> And encourage them to do their own studies.. as LW will DONATE

FREE

patches for doctors studies.as per my other email.

> Just click on each study and scroll through the pages of each

below .

> The GSH one is first..followed by over 30 more studies about

various aspects of All the patches.

> (It's rare to find a company that does this number of studies with

their products.!)

> Research & Clinical Studies

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>

> A New Way to increase Glutathione Levels in the Body.

> - Dr. Haltiwanger, MD, CCN

>

> Heart Rate Variability Signal Parameters Quantify Skin

Cooling Effect of Energy Patches During Rest and Exercise in Young

Healthy Individuals

> - Dr. Homer Nazeran PhD, CPEng (Biomed.)

> The Effect Of A Non-Transdermal Surface Patch On

Mitochondrial Function

> - Shallenberger, MD

> - Homer Nazaran, Ph.D.

> Effect of Novel Nanoscale Energy Patches on Spectral and

Nonlinear Dynamic Features of Heart Rate Variability Signals in

Healthy Individuals during Rest and Exercise

> - Dr. Homer Nazeran, PhD

> LifeWave Products Pure Energy Patches 60-Subject Test, Final

> - Report Fenestra Research

> Summary of IceWave Clinical Research Study - Infrared Imaging

> - Dr. Dean , DC

> - Dr. Haltiwanger, MD CCN

> - Salvatore Palomares

> Report of Results: MVA6158, Patch Permeability

> - Dr. S. Brown

> - MVA Scientific Consultants

> Investigative Study of Long Term Effects of LifeWave Patches

Using Electro Meridian Analysis System (EMAS)

> - Dr. E. Reenah McGill, D.O.M., M.A., L. Ac.

> BioCoherence and Lifewave Energy Enhancement Patches

Utilizing Bionetic-Feedback Assessment

> - Lee G. Woolley, CBT, BPA

> - Dr. Haltiwanger, MD CCN

> Responsiveness of Horses to Biofrequency Modulation after

Acupuncture Palpation

> - Dr. J. DeRock, DVM

> A double blind placebo controlled study of the LifeWave

technology as it relates to the improvement of strength endurance in

high performance college athletics

> - Schmidt

> - Shaughnessy

> LifeWave Strength Test

> - ph A. Goodson MS, ATC

> - Schmidt

> LifeWave Energy Patches Measured with Auramed Biopulsar

Reflexograph, 12-17-2005

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> Abstracts

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> Can LifeWave Technology Patches Enhance Heart Rate

Variability?

> - H. Budzynski, Ph.D

> Effect of Novel Nanoscale Energy Patches on Spectral and

Nonlinear Dynamic Features of Heart Rate Variability Signals in

Healthy Individuals during Rest and Exercise

> - Dr. Homer Nazeran, PhD

> LifeWave Products Pure Energy Patches 60-Subject Test, Final

Report

> - Fenestra Research

> Summary of IceWave Clinical Research Study - Infrared Imaging

> - Dr. Dean , DC

> - Dr. Haltiwanger, MD CCN

> - Salvatore Palomares

> Report of Results: MVA6158, Patch Permeability

> - Dr. S. Brown

> - MVA Scientific Consultants

> Investigative Study of Long Term Effects of LifeWave Patches

Using Electro Meridian Analysis System (EMAS)

> - Dr. E. Reenah McGill, D.O.M., M.A., L. Ac.

> BioCoherence and Lifewave Energy Enhancement Patches

Utilizing Bionetic-Feedback Assessment

> - Lee G. Woolley, CBT, BPA

> - Dr. Haltiwanger, MD CCN

> Responsiveness of Horses to Biofrequency Modulation after

Acupuncture Palpation

> - Dr. J. DeRock, DVM

> Responsiveness of Subjects to the LifeWave Patch during

Aerobic and Muscular Endurance Activity

> - na L.

> A double blind placebo controlled study of the LifeWave

technology as it relates to the improvement of strength endurance in

high performance college athletics

> - Schmidt

> - Shaughnessy

> LifeWave Strength Test

> - ph A. Goodson MS, ATC

> - Schmidt

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> Scientific Papers

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> LifeWave Patches are Medical Devices that are Disposable

Thermal Patches

> By Steve Haltiwanger, M.D., C.C.N.

> Different Types of Nanotechnology Devices

> By Steve Haltiwanger, M.D., C.C.N.

> LifeWave's Nanotechnology Skin Care SystemTM Topicals,

Advanced C Serum and Advanced Skin Renewal

> By Steve Haltiwanger, M.D., C.C.N.

> LifeWave Skin Care Patch Instructions

> By Steve Haltiwanger, M.D., C.C.N.

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> Letters

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> World Anti-Doping Agency

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> United States Anti-Doping Agency

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> Dr. Dean , DC

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> Shaughnessy Letter

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> Re: Our experience with the Glutathione patch so far...

> Posted by: "Debi" fightingautism@... fightingautism

> Fri Sep 12, 2008 8:49 pm (PDT)

> Does anyone have a copy of their independent study? I

couldn't find

> any citations and I did a search for it online, I couldn't

find it.

> Would love to read more about it.

>

> Debi

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Every kid is so different. That makes it so hard. I have two kids with autism. My daughter is almost recovered and took very little biomed intervention. For her diet was the big thing. She gets a vitamin, probiotics and autistique cream. (cream started after diet and her gains.) And she gets the antiyeast BC protocol. That's it. But my son is a different story. He has been nonverbal up until now, low tone, tantrums, sensory issues, stimming..etc. These guys were from the same pregnancy and although they were both on the spectrum, they were at opposite ends on everything. It's frustrating when one child responds so well and the other doesn't. I try not to think about how long this may take. It just takes my strength away.

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I've pumped my kid full of glutathione and it did help some. I wouldeven say quite a bit. But it hasn't fixed the problem, as soon as westopped she was low again, and she never would chelate the mercury,despite rounds and rounds and rounds of chelation. For other kids, itmay be enough. For my kid, getting her body to let go of the mercuryis probably one keys to opening her glutathione production. Herporphyrins still show "significant mercury toxicity." And I'm talking7 years of chelation off & on with various protocols. Debi>> Have to agree with the importance of the precursors.> > Given fundamentally we are dealing with a methylation issue, then any > direct supplementation of glutathione is always going to be a shortterm > "band aid" fix and not a lon

g term solution to the underlying problems.> > And of course you only have to look at the Rooney paper and other > associated research to see there could be a very big down side todirect > glutathione supplementation for a heavy metal toxic patient.> > But most people only go so far as to say "hey look, Glutathione is > low.... lets supplement it!"> > They don't even try to get to the bottom of WHY it is low in the first > place.

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I did the hair test and someone told me he was mercury toxic per the counting rules. He was high (over limit) in aluminum and titanium and was also high but not over limits in antimony and arsenic. I have the envelope for the paris test--just don't have the money to get it done right now. I guess that is the most accurate from what I have seen. I didn't do a hair test on my daughter. Something is just clicking with what we are doing now. Every day I am so excited to see what he will do next. I am even getting great reports from school about things he is doing now for the first time or the first time without being prompted. This time last year all the reports were about how tired or uncooperative he was. This is such a nice change. Antivirals really helped here too. My kids had strep four times in about seven months during the downward spiral.

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-Has he got metal toxicity? -- In mb12 valtrex , klbushey@... wrote:>> Every kid is so different. That makes it so hard. I have two kids with autism. My daughter is almost recovered and took very little biomed intervention. For her diet was the big thing. She gets a vitamin, probiotics and autistique cream. (cream started after diet and her gains.) And she gets the antiyeast BC protocol. That's it. But my son is a different story. He has been nonverbal up until now, low tone, tantrums, sensory issues, stimming..etc. These guys were from the same pregnancy and although they were both on the spectrum, they were at opposite ends on everything. It's frustrating when one child responds so well and the other doesn't. I try not to think about how long this may take. It just takes my strength away.> > > > ------------

-- Original message -------------- > > I've pumped my kid full of glutathione and it did help some. I would> even say quite a bit. But it hasn't fixed the problem, as soon as we> stopped she was low again, and she never would chelate the mercury,> despite rounds and rounds and rounds of chelation. For other kids, it> may be enough. For my kid, getting her body to let go of the mercury> is probably one keys to opening her glutathione production. Her> porphyrins still show "significant mercury toxicity." And I'm talking> 7 years of chelation off & on with various protocols. > > Debi> > > >> > Have to agree with the importance of the precursors.> > > > Given f

undamentally we are dealing with a methylation issue, then any > > direct supplementation of glutathione is always going to be a short> term > > "band aid" fix and not a long term solution to the underlying problems.> > > > And of course you only have to look at the Rooney paper and other > > associated research to see there could be a very big down side to> direct > > glutathione supplementation for a heavy metal toxic patient.> > > > But most people only go so far as to say "hey look, Glutathione is > > low.... lets supplement it!"> > > > They don't even try to get to the bottom of WHY it is low in the first > > place.>

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That is great! There are so many stories on this board that motivate me. What kind of protocols are you doing?

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Well my daughter is doing 1000% better. She still definitely hasautism and still has a ways to go, but I believe she will be anindependent adult. She may not be a conventional independent adult,but who is? My daughter has also been truly sick. I really believe hersickness is what causes her autism, if I could heal that, perhaps if Ihad healed it sooner, she may not have autism. Debi>> Every kid is so different. That makes it so hard. I have two kidswith autism. My daughter is almost recovered and took very littlebiomed intervention. For her diet was the big thing. She gets avitamin, probiotics and autistique cream. (cream started after dietand her gains.) And she gets the antiyeast BC protocol. That's it. But my son is a different story. He has been nonverbal up until now,low tone, tantrums, sensory issues, stimming..etc. These guys werefrom the same pregnancy and although they were both on the spectrum,they were at opposite ends on everything. It's frustrating when onechild responds so well and the other doesn't. I try not to thinkabout how long this may take. It just takes my strength away.> >

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Re: Where are the studies?

what kinds of things?> > > >> > > > http://www.lifewave.com/rep_page.asp> > > <http://www.lifewave.com/rep_page.asp>> > >> > > back to top <http://www.lifewave.com/research_info.asp#top>> > >> > >> >>>>>>>>----------------------------------------------------------\------>>>> No virus found in this incoming message.> Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com> Version: 8.0.169 / Virus Database: 270.6.21/1672 - Release Date:9/15/2008 9:21 AM>

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they are on ARI's site, in presentations, BY DAN DR"S who did the studies IN there offices, with per and post. check some of the highy recommended books out on biomedical and spectrum ect. and again you are talking about glutathione which in and of itself has studies to

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Re: Where are the studies?

Really???where is a study showing effectiveness of transdermal glutathione inautism? or any similar conditionyet so many DANs are recommending it....> > > > > > >> > > > > > > http://www.lifewave.com/rep_page.asp> > <http://www.lifewave.com/rep_page.asp>> > > > <http://www.lifewave.com/rep_page.asp> > <http://www.lifewave.com/rep_page.asp>>> > > > > > <http://www.lifewave.com/rep_page.asp> > <http://www.lifewave.com/rep_page.asp>> > > > <http://www.lifewave.com/rep_page.asp> > <http://www.lifewave.com/rep_page.asp>>>> > > > > >> > > > > > back to top <http://www.lifewave.com/research_info.asp#top> > <http://www.lifewave.com/research_info.asp#top>> > > > <http://www.lifewave.com/research_info.asp#top> > <http://www.lifewave.com/research_info.asp#top>>>> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > >> > >> >> >>

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kristen have you looked into mito issues for the low toned child or pancratic stuff like secretin

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Every kid is so different. That makes it so hard. I have two kids with autism. My daughter is almost recovered and took very little biomed intervention. For her diet was the big thing. She gets a vitamin, probiotics and autistique cream. (cream started after diet and her gains.) And she gets the antiyeast BC protocol. That's it. But my son is a different story. He has been nonverbal up until now, low tone, tantrums, sensory issues, stimming..etc. These guys were from the same pregnancy and although they were both on the spectrum, they were at opposite ends on everything. It's frustrating when one child responds so well and the other doesn't. I try not to think about how long this may take. It just takes my strength away.

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I've pumped my kid full of glutathione and it did help some. I wouldeven say quite a bit. But it hasn't fixed the problem, as soon as westopped she was low again, and she never would chelate the mercury,despite rounds and rounds and rounds of chelation. For other kids, itmay be enough. For my kid, getting her body to let go of the mercuryis probably one keys to opening her glutathione production. Herporphyrins still show "significant mercury toxicity." And I'm talking7 years of chelation off & on with various protocols. Debi>> Have to agree with the importance of the precursors.> > Given fundamentally we are dealing with a methylation issue, then any > direct supplementation of glutathione is always going to be a shortterm > "band aid" fix and not a lon g term solution to the underlying problems.> > And of course you only have to look at the Rooney paper and other > associated research to see there could be a very big down side todirect > glutathione supplementation for a heavy metal toxic patient.> > But most people only go so far as to say "hey look, Glutathione is > low.... lets supplement it!"> > They don't even try to get to the bottom of WHY it is low in the first > place.

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no one is saying anyone is lieing.....they are just wanting outside info. admitting there is none, is just what we have been argueing, thank you. that is the first step to this being resolved. the other is it's been said they are 90 dollars or 95 dollars per order. and there hasn't been anyone (unless I missed it) that wasn't INVESTED into the company that was posting it's praise, THAT is the RED FLAG we are all pointing out

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This thread is too draining so my last post:Patches are a new product, with only vested interest studies out therePLUS parental reports (which range, as far as I'm aware, from neutral/noeffect ones to good or great effect ones).All anyone can do now is:A. sit and wait till more independent studies come out or till DAN etcpicks up on this treatment and docs start recommendingorB. read the available science (with as much scepticism as you want), butmore importantly read the parental reports and compare their kids toyour own and try decide whether it is worth spending $60 for a trialAs for myself personally, my kid had fantastic AND long lasting benefitsfrom the kirkman cream, he is a good candidate and I already have thepatches ready to try on him. And will post the results for anyoneinterested in these to read and help them decide...btw I personally had a very good experience with the patches. Doessaying this make me a liar? a naive fool?Natasa> > > >> > > > http://www.lifewave.com/rep_page.asp> > <http://www.lifewave.com/rep_page.asp>> > >> > > back to top> > >> >> >>

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I did the hair test and someone told me he was mercury toxic per the counting rules. He was high (over limit) in aluminum and titanium and was also high but not over limits in antimony and arsenic. I have the envelope for the paris test--just don't have the money to get it done right now. I guess that is the most accurate from what I have seen. I didn't do a hair test on my daughter. Something is just clicking with what we are doing now. Every day I am so excited to see what he will do next. I am even getting great reports from school about things he is doing now for the first time or the first time without being prompted. This time last year all the reports were about how tired or uncooperative he was. This is such a nice change. Antivirals really helped here too. My kids had strep four times in about seven months during the downward spiral.

-------------- Original message -------------- From: "sue_lwsn" <suesuelawson (DOT) co.uk>

-Has he got metal toxicity? -- In mb12 valtrex , klbushey@... wrote:>> Every kid is so different. That makes it so hard. I have two kids with autism. My daughter is almost recovered and took very little biomed intervention. For her diet was the big thing. She gets a vitamin, probiotics and autistique cream. (cream started after diet and her gains.) And she gets the antiyeast BC protocol. That's it. But my son is a different story. He has been nonverbal up until now, low tone, tantrums, sensory issues, stimming..etc. These guys were from the same pregnancy and although they were both on the spectrum, they were at opposite ends on everything. It's frustrating when one child responds so well and the other doesn't. I try not to think about how long this may take. It just takes my strength away.> > > > ------------ -- Original message -------------- > > I've pumped my kid full of glutathione and it did help some. I would> even say quite a bit. But it hasn't fixed the problem, as soon as we> stopped she was low again, and she never would chelate the mercury,> despite rounds and rounds and rounds of chelation. For other kids, it> may be enough. For my kid, getting her body to let go of the mercury> is probably one keys to opening her glutathione production. Her> porphyrins still show "significant mercury toxicity." And I'm talking> 7 years of chelation off & on with various protocols. > > Debi> > > >> > Have to agree with the importance of the precursors.> > > > Given f undamentally we are dealing with a methylation issue, then any > > direct supplementation of glutathione is always going to be a short> term > > "band aid" fix and not a long term solution to the underlying problems.> > > > And of course you only have to look at the Rooney paper and other > > associated research to see there could be a very big down side to> direct > > glutathione supplementation for a heavy metal toxic patient.> > > > But most people only go so far as to say "hey look, Glutathione is > > low.... lets supplement it!"> > > > They don't even try to get to the bottom of WHY it is low in the first > > place.>

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