Re: Re: All parents with ADD-Autism kids

March 21, 2012

I don't mind any discussion on what causes autism or what might help

or cure it.Â But I do want everyone to discuss these things politely

and with respect for all others involved.Â And, Dr Bate, might I

suggest you use 'brain impairment' rather than 'brain damage'.Â The

difference may not be much, but it might allow more of us to hear

what you're saying without getting defensive.Â I actually agree with

much of what you're saying, but I still get defensive about 'brain

damage'.Â At your age you have the right to be a grumpy old man -

and I have some ambitions in that direction myself as I find myself

getting older - but there is a price to be paid.Â If you want people

to listen, try to use language they can hear.

[moderator]

Â

Kirsten,

I've been working in this field for over 30 years.ï¿½ You

have a right to your opinions, and a right to be confused

by Big Pharma's lies, but the scientific fact is that

Autism is caused by brain damage.ï¿½ That was mostlyï¿½ done

30 years ago by physical damage such as a fall, and it

occurred in 1 in 10,000 cases of birth.ï¿½ It was also

noticeable at birth or soon after.ï¿½

Today, in most cases, the child seems to be "normal" until

he/she is given the many vaccinations at one time, and all

too often the child is a "different" personality from that

point on.ï¿½ That is the substance of the many legal suits

brought against the Government and Big Pharma and MD's.ï¿½

In a very few cases, the child has autism from birth, and

if the mother is tested, high toxic levels of mercury

and/or aluminum are found in her.ï¿½ This is not to blame

her, as it is not her fault for the huge rise in mercury

and aluminum contamination of our world.ï¿½ However, the

curve in the rise of mercury contamination is the same

curve as the rise of Autism.ï¿½ That's not a coincidence.ï¿½ï¿½

From 1 in 10K to 1 in under 100?

Autism is NOT a simple behavior dysfunction.ï¿½ It is a

physical damage to the brain function, and it isn't

"cute".ï¿½ It can be "cured" in spite of the current idea

that it can't, but the mercury and other toxins causing

the brain to operate poorly MUST be removed in order for

that to be accomplished.ï¿½ That's why my 4 part therapy for

autism stresses that as the first, and most important

therapy.ï¿½ The second most important is my Neuroliminal

Training which solves the ADD/ADHD portion of the confused

mind.ï¿½ The remaining two therapies solve the nutrition and

digestive problems (in particular Leaky Gut Syndrome)

caused by the stress and lack of sufficient nutrition

during this time.ï¿½ (Autistic kids are all "picky" eaters

in my experience).

Autism is well known as the "family bankruptcy disease",

and every seminar, convention, or workshop for it features

very expensive ways to solve it.ï¿½ Mine is the only

complete set of therapies that is affordable to the mid

and even low income families.ï¿½ It is almost exactly the

same as the famous Pfeiffer Clinic therapies that cost

thousands of bucks, and failed as a result.ï¿½ï¿½ Because it

can be done completely at home, it is the most affordable

set of therapies anywhere.ï¿½ï¿½ Have you even downloaded a

free copy of that article at www.drbate.com/content/integrated.shtml?

If you want to stay in denial, and think your child is

simply "normal" with a few different traits, that's your

right.ï¿½

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March 21, 2012

The tone of this letter is very rued and you are talking down to your audience. Perhaps you have a disorder called egocentrism. No one can have a valid view if it doesn't mimic your own? You should be FAMOUS since you have "the cure" to Autism!! (sarcasm noted here) To: autism-aspergers Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2012 7:16 AM Subject: Re: All parents with ADD-Autism kids

Kirsten,I've been working in this field for over 30 years. You have a right to your opinions, and a right to be confused by Big Pharma's lies, but the scientific fact is that Autism is caused by brain damage. That was mostly done 30 years ago by physical damage such as a fall, and it occurred in 1 in 10,000 cases of birth. It was also noticeable at birth or soon after.

Today, in most cases, the child seems to be "normal" until he/she is given the many vaccinations at one time, and all too often the child is a "different" personality from that point on. That is the substance of the many legal suits brought against the Government and Big Pharma and MD's. In a very few cases, the child has autism from birth, and if the mother is tested, high toxic levels of mercury and/or aluminum are found in her. This is not to blame her, as it is not her fault for the huge rise in mercury and aluminum contamination of our world. However, the curve in the rise of mercury contamination is the same curve as the rise of Autism. That's not a coincidence. From 1 in 10K to 1 in under 100?

Autism is NOT a simple behavior dysfunction. It is a physical damage to the brain function, and it isn't "cute". It can be "cured" in spite of the current idea that it can't, but the mercury and other toxins causing the brain to operate poorly MUST be removed in order for that to be accomplished. That's why my 4 part therapy for autism stresses that as the first, and most important therapy. The second most important is my Neuroliminal Training which solves the ADD/ADHD portion of the confused mind. The remaining two therapies solve the nutrition and digestive problems (in particular Leaky Gut Syndrome) caused by the stress and lack of sufficient nutrition during this time. (Autistic kids are all "picky" eaters in my experience).

Autism is well known as the "family bankruptcy disease", and every seminar, convention, or workshop for it features very expensive ways to solve it. Mine is the only complete set of therapies that is affordable to the mid and even low income families. It is almost exactly the same as the famous Pfeiffer Clinic therapies that cost thousands of bucks, and failed as a result. Because it can be done completely at home, it is the most affordable set of therapies anywhere. Have you even downloaded a free copy of that article at www.drbate.com/content/integrated.shtml?

If you want to stay in denial, and think your child is simply "normal" with a few different traits, that's your right.

March 21, 2012

as far as I'm concerned i have been informed there is no cure for autism there are therapies to help the child cope with the difficulties that come with the disorder, i don't think my child is "damaged" my opinion not trying to offend anyone who reads this. If there where a cure I'm sure it would be available to everyone. My kid is high functioning autistic, adhd and odd. i would like to find a solution to at least one of these since I'm a single mom with very little support but i work hard everyday learning more and teaching my son how to deal with all his emotional needs and social needs.

Subject: Re: Re: All parents with ADD-Autism kidsTo: "autism-aspergers " <autism-aspergers >Date: Wednesday, March 21, 2012, 9:54 AM

The tone of this letter is very rued and you are talking down to your audience. Perhaps you have a disorder called egocentrism. No one can have a valid view if it doesn't mimic your own? You should be FAMOUS since you have "the cure" to Autism!! (sarcasm noted here)

To: autism-aspergers Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2012 7:16 AMSubject: Re: All parents with ADD-Autism kids

Kirsten,I've been working in this field for over 30 years. You have a right to your opinions, and a right to be confused by Big Pharma's lies, but the scientific fact is that Autism is caused by brain damage. That was mostly done 30 years ago by physical damage such as a fall, and it occurred in 1 in 10,000 cases of birth. It was also noticeable at birth or soon after. Today, in most cases, the child seems to be "normal" until he/she is given the many vaccinations at one time, and all too often the child is a "different" personality from that point on. That is the substance of the many legal suits brought against the Government and Big Pharma and MD's. In a very few cases, the child has autism from birth, and if the mother is tested, high toxic levels of mercury and/or aluminum are found in her. This is not to blame her, as it is not her fault for the huge rise in mercury and aluminum

contamination of our world. However, the curve in the rise of mercury contamination is the same curve as the rise of Autism. That's not a coincidence. From 1 in 10K to 1 in under 100?Autism is NOT a simple behavior dysfunction. It is a physical damage to the brain function, and it isn't "cute". It can be "cured" in spite of the current idea that it can't, but the mercury and other toxins causing the brain to operate poorly MUST be removed in order for that to be accomplished. That's why my 4 part therapy for autism stresses that as the first, and most important therapy. The second most important is my Neuroliminal Training which solves the ADD/ADHD portion of the confused mind. The remaining two therapies solve the nutrition and digestive problems (in particular Leaky Gut Syndrome) caused by the stress and lack of sufficient nutrition during this time. (Autistic kids are all "picky"

eaters in my experience).Autism is well known as the "family bankruptcy disease", and every seminar, convention, or workshop for it features very expensive ways to solve it. Mine is the only complete set of therapies that is affordable to the mid and even low income families. It is almost exactly the same as the famous Pfeiffer Clinic therapies that cost thousands of bucks, and failed as a result. Because it can be done completely at home, it is the most affordable set of therapies anywhere. Have you even downloaded a free copy of that article at www.drbate.com/content/integrated.shtml?If you want to stay in denial, and think your child is simply "normal" with a few different traits, that's your right.

March 21, 2012

OMG! Seriously?My son didn't have a fall or brain damage as you say....He came out autistic and didn't all in a sudden CHANGE from vaccines! I was telling our Ped that I thought he was autistic at 7wks of age (Yes, you read that correctly). See my son is a twin and his sister wasn't obsessed with bright lights, would turn to our voices and didn't stair for hours at her mobile. She also didn't try from AM to PM! WOW is all I can say...LoriPlease BOYCOTT the movie 21 Jump Street! It makes fun of those with autism!

https://www.facebook.com/BoycottMovie21JumpStreetForAutism--- Subject: Re: Re: All parents with ADD-Autism kidsTo: "autism-aspergers " <autism-aspergers >Date: Wednesday, March 21, 2012, 6:54 AM

The tone of this letter is very rued and you are talking down to your audience. Perhaps you have a disorder called egocentrism. No one can have a valid view if it doesn't mimic your own? You should be FAMOUS since you have "the cure" to Autism!! (sarcasm noted here) To: autism-aspergers Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2012 7:16 AM Subject: Re: All parents with ADD-Autism kids

Kirsten,I've been working in this field for over 30 years. You have a right to your opinions, and a right to be confused by Big Pharma's lies, but the scientific fact is that Autism is caused by brain damage. That was mostly done 30 years ago by physical damage such as a fall, and it occurred in 1 in 10,000 cases of birth. It was also noticeable at birth or soon after.

Today, in most cases, the child seems to be "normal" until he/she is given the many vaccinations at one time, and all too often the child is a "different" personality from that point on. That is the substance of the many legal suits brought against the Government and Big Pharma and MD's. In a very few cases, the child has autism from birth, and if the mother is tested, high toxic levels of mercury and/or aluminum are found in her. This is not to blame her, as it is not her fault for the huge rise in mercury and aluminum contamination of our world. However, the curve in the rise of mercury contamination is the same curve as the rise of Autism. That's not a coincidence. From 1 in 10K to 1 in under 100?

Autism is NOT a simple behavior dysfunction. It is a physical damage to the brain function, and it isn't "cute". It can be "cured" in spite of the current idea that it can't, but the mercury and other toxins causing the brain to operate poorly MUST be removed in order for that to be accomplished. That's why my 4 part therapy for autism stresses that as the first, and most important therapy. The second most important is my Neuroliminal Training which solves the ADD/ADHD portion of the confused mind. The remaining two therapies solve the nutrition and digestive problems (in particular Leaky Gut Syndrome) caused by the stress and lack of sufficient nutrition during this time. (Autistic kids are all "picky" eaters in my experience).

Autism is well known as the "family bankruptcy disease", and every seminar, convention, or workshop for it features very expensive ways to solve it. Mine is the only complete set of therapies that is affordable to the mid and even low income families. It is almost exactly the same as the famous Pfeiffer Clinic therapies that cost thousands of bucks, and failed as a result. Because it can be done completely at home, it is the most affordable set of therapies anywhere. Have you even downloaded a free copy of that article at www.drbate.com/content/integrated.shtml?

If you want to stay in denial, and think your child is simply "normal" with a few different traits, that's your right.

March 21, 2012

try = cry! Sorry for the typo...Please BOYCOTT the movie 21 Jump Street! It makes fun of those with autism!

https://www.facebook.com/BoycottMovie21JumpStreetForAutism--- Subject: Re: Re: All parents with ADD-Autism kidsTo: autism-aspergers Date: Wednesday, March 21, 2012, 8:06 AM

OMG! Seriously?My son didn't have a fall or brain damage as you say....He came out autistic and didn't all in a sudden CHANGE from vaccines! I was telling our Ped that I thought he was autistic at 7wks of age (Yes, you read that correctly). See my son is a twin and his sister wasn't obsessed with bright lights, would turn to our voices and didn't stair for hours at her mobile. She also didn't try from AM to PM! WOW is all I can say...LoriPlease BOYCOTT the movie 21 Jump Street! It makes fun of those with autism!

https://www.facebook.com/BoycottMovie21JumpStreetForAutism--- Subject: Re: Re: All parents with ADD-Autism kidsTo: "autism-aspergers " <autism-aspergers >Date: Wednesday, March 21, 2012, 6:54 AM

The tone of this letter is very rued and you are talking down to your audience. Perhaps you have a disorder called egocentrism. No one can have a valid view if it doesn't mimic your own? You should be FAMOUS since you have "the cure" to Autism!! (sarcasm noted here) To: autism-aspergers Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2012 7:16 AM Subject: Re: All parents with ADD-Autism kids

Kirsten,I've been working in this field for over 30 years. You have a right to your opinions, and a right to be confused by Big Pharma's lies, but the scientific fact is that Autism is caused by brain damage. That was mostly done 30 years ago by physical damage such as a fall, and it occurred in 1 in 10,000 cases of birth. It was also noticeable at birth or soon after.

Today, in most cases, the child seems to be "normal" until he/she is given the many vaccinations at one time, and all too often the child is a "different" personality from that point on. That is the substance of the many legal suits brought against the Government and Big Pharma and MD's. In a very few cases, the child has autism from birth, and if the mother is tested, high toxic levels of mercury and/or aluminum are found in her. This is not to blame her, as it is not her fault for the huge rise in mercury and aluminum contamination of our world. However, the curve in the rise of mercury contamination is the same curve as the rise of Autism. That's not a coincidence. From 1 in 10K to 1 in under 100?

Autism is NOT a simple behavior dysfunction. It is a physical damage to the brain function, and it isn't "cute". It can be "cured" in spite of the current idea that it can't, but the mercury and other toxins causing the brain to operate poorly MUST be removed in order for that to be accomplished. That's why my 4 part therapy for autism stresses that as the first, and most important therapy. The second most important is my Neuroliminal Training which solves the ADD/ADHD portion of the confused mind. The remaining two therapies solve the nutrition and digestive problems (in particular Leaky Gut Syndrome) caused by the stress and lack of sufficient nutrition during this time. (Autistic kids are all "picky" eaters in my experience).

Autism is well known as the "family bankruptcy disease", and every seminar, convention, or workshop for it features very expensive ways to solve it. Mine is the only complete set of therapies that is affordable to the mid and even low income families. It is almost exactly the same as the famous Pfeiffer Clinic therapies that cost thousands of bucks, and failed as a result. Because it can be done completely at home, it is the most affordable set of therapies anywhere. Have you even downloaded a free copy of that article at www.drbate.com/content/integrated.shtml?

If you want to stay in denial, and think your child is simply "normal" with a few different traits, that's your right.

March 21, 2012

In which way is your method different than the method to treat the Neuro-Immune Dysfunctional Syndrome (NIDS) pioneered by Dr. Goldberg in California? I presume you must have heard of him and his method.

Kirsten,I've been working in this field for over 30 years. You have a right to your opinions, and a right to be confused by Big Pharma's lies, but the scientific fact is that Autism is caused by brain damage. That was mostly done 30 years ago by physical damage such as a fall, and it occurred in 1 in 10,000 cases of birth. It was also noticeable at birth or soon after.

Today, in most cases, the child seems to be " normal " until he/she is given the many vaccinations at one time, and all too often the child is a " different " personality from that point on. That is the substance of the many legal suits brought against the Government and Big Pharma and MD's. In a very few cases, the child has autism from birth, and if the mother is tested, high toxic levels of mercury and/or aluminum are found in her. This is not to blame her, as it is not her fault for the huge rise in mercury and aluminum contamination of our world. However, the curve in the rise of mercury contamination is the same curve as the rise of Autism. That's not a coincidence. From 1 in 10K to 1 in under 100?

Autism is NOT a simple behavior dysfunction. It is a physical damage to the brain function, and it isn't " cute " . It can be " cured " in spite of the current idea that it can't, but the mercury and other toxins causing the brain to operate poorly MUST be removed in order for that to be accomplished. That's why my 4 part therapy for autism stresses that as the first, and most important therapy. The second most important is my Neuroliminal Training which solves the ADD/ADHD portion of the confused mind. The remaining two therapies solve the nutrition and digestive problems (in particular Leaky Gut Syndrome) caused by the stress and lack of sufficient nutrition during this time. (Autistic kids are all " picky " eaters in my experience).

Autism is well known as the " family bankruptcy disease " , and every seminar, convention, or workshop for it features very expensive ways to solve it. Mine is the only complete set of therapies that is affordable to the mid and even low income families. It is almost exactly the same as the famous Pfeiffer Clinic therapies that cost thousands of bucks, and failed as a result. Because it can be done completely at home, it is the most affordable set of therapies anywhere. Have you even downloaded a free copy of that article at www.drbate.com/content/integrated.shtml?

If you want to stay in denial, and think your child is simply " normal " with a few different traits, that's your right.

March 21, 2012

It's very easy to say whatever comes to our heads over email. I am very interested in hearing many different view points and therapies. I haven't found anything that is working well for my daughters with aspergers and well for our budget, so I enjoy hearing about Dr. Bate's ideas and everyone elses ideas, but I do hear harshness and insensitivity from many angles. If you don't like someone's opinion or research, maybe just delete the email. We all have to find our own way in this and if someones post doesn't support your search, move on!!

Kirsten,I've been working in this field for over 30 years. You have a right to your opinions, and a right to be confused by Big Pharma's lies, but the scientific fact is that Autism is caused by brain damage. That was mostly done 30 years ago by physical damage such as a fall, and it occurred in 1 in 10,000 cases of birth. It was also noticeable at birth or soon after.

Today, in most cases, the child seems to be " normal " until he/she is given the many vaccinations at one time, and all too often the child is a " different " personality from that point on. That is the substance of the many legal suits brought against the Government and Big Pharma and MD's. In a very few cases, the child has autism from birth, and if the mother is tested, high toxic levels of mercury and/or aluminum are found in her. This is not to blame her, as it is not her fault for the huge rise in mercury and aluminum contamination of our world. However, the curve in the rise of mercury contamination is the same curve as the rise of Autism. That's not a coincidence. From 1 in 10K to 1 in under 100?

Autism is NOT a simple behavior dysfunction. It is a physical damage to the brain function, and it isn't " cute " . It can be " cured " in spite of the current idea that it can't, but the mercury and other toxins causing the brain to operate poorly MUST be removed in order for that to be accomplished. That's why my 4 part therapy for autism stresses that as the first, and most important therapy. The second most important is my Neuroliminal Training which solves the ADD/ADHD portion of the confused mind. The remaining two therapies solve the nutrition and digestive problems (in particular Leaky Gut Syndrome) caused by the stress and lack of sufficient nutrition during this time. (Autistic kids are all " picky " eaters in my experience).

Autism is well known as the " family bankruptcy disease " , and every seminar, convention, or workshop for it features very expensive ways to solve it. Mine is the only complete set of therapies that is affordable to the mid and even low income families. It is almost exactly the same as the famous Pfeiffer Clinic therapies that cost thousands of bucks, and failed as a result. Because it can be done completely at home, it is the most affordable set of therapies anywhere. Have you even downloaded a free copy of that article at www.drbate.com/content/integrated.shtml?

If you want to stay in denial, and think your child is simply " normal " with a few different traits, that's your right.

March 21, 2012

Yes, I noticed that.Â That was what my initial post was about -

using language that will reach people if you want them to

understand.Â I believe Dr Bate's methods would work for at least

some kids, which is why I let the messages through.Â But unless

there is a change of tone that won't continue.Â Unfortunately autism

seems somewhat like religion - it leads to a lot of passion but

sometimes not much empathy.Â No matter how right you are about

either, if the way you present your message antagonises people, it's

better to keep quiet.

Â

>

> I don't mind any discussion on what causes autism or

what might help or

> cure it. But I do want everyone to discuss these

things politely and

> with respect for all others involved.

, anyone who disagrees with certain posters is called

"confused", "silly", "vicious", or "in denial," among

other things. This language is in no way intended to

support or educate but to belittle and silence the

respondant. It is offensive to all of us who visit the

site and particularly cruel to allow this type of

subversive attack on new visitors who are trying to seek

answers and support from actual parents.

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March 21, 2012

I can't defend his manner, but if you go to his site you will find

only his tapes/cds cost anything.Â A lot of what he has there for

free is stuff others charge a lot for - or at least insist you buy

their book.Â Unfortunately nothing is free when it comes to treating

autism.Â One of the first things I look for when checking up on any

treatment plan is the promises it makes.Â Anyone who promises that

they can 'cure' your child in a few weeks is probably lying.Â My

doctor says encouraging things like "you can be much better if you

watch your diet", or "you would see a marked improvement if you had

at least 30 minutes of exercise a day".Â But he also said during the

first consultation "don't expect any short term miracles".Â He has

even said that I should not misinterpret a short term improvement as

a 'cure', that returning the body to normal function will take at

least 2 years, and after that I will remain susceptible to a return

to autistic symptoms if I don't watch my diet and lifestyle.Â I

admit I would prefer a pill that you take for a week and then you're

cured, but I am very sceptical about that pill ever being

developed.Â Medication is good at controlling the symptoms of

autism, but not at curing the underlying problem/s.

If you look at a lot of the sites suggesting environmental causes,

you will find that a lot of what they say is similar.Â Almost all

say to avoid grains, dairy products and sugar.Â Not an easy thing to

do.Â Almost all indicate that people with autism have a variety of

other symptoms that, while they may not cause autism, do interfere

with the body functioning properly, so they also need to be

treated.Â Some make wonderful suggestions like moving to an unspoilt

country area free from pollution.Â What they don't say is how you

find the money to move, and then support yourself when you discover

that jobs are rarer than pollution in many of these areas.Â Total

self-sufficiency does not suit all of us.Â That's why I don't rely

on any one site.Â I trust more those who actually cite the research

on which their method is based.Â I am not prepared to accept "it

worked for me, it must work for you" as a basis on which to proceed.Â

I want some idea of how it works, and why it should work.

I am probably more lenient than I should be on letting some people

post, but my philosophy is that the more options people know about,

the more likely they are to find something that will work for them

or their child.Â But I also know that a negative reaction to how

someone presents something can carry over to a refusal to try the

method.Â I resisted diet as a way of coping for years because my

mother has been convinced for decades that every disease or

condition can be cured by avoiding certain foods.Â Despite all her

various diets - all guaranteed to work - she has not become any

healthier.Â I suspect it is partly because she never follows the

diet, but always has to make it stricter because of some new theory

she has read, or she goes to extremes like when she was advised to

have a glass of soy milk in the morning because it would help with

something she was suffering from, and so when she started to feel

better she decided to have 6 glasses a day, and then she became

intolerant to it.Â I have said very little about the diet I am on,

but she still offers advice about what I need to avoid, or what I

should make sure I get plenty of.Â My aim is to correct my various

deficiencies - all confirmed by tests - and then to live on as

natural a diet as possible, avoiding any food that causes me

problems.Â Whether it will 'cure' may autism or ADD I don't know.Â

If I am healthy and my symptoms are manageable, I will be happy with

that.Â With both myself and my son, my aim is that we can do the

things we want to do, whether or not we are 'normal' compared to

others.

Â

My biggest issue with Dr. Bates, is that his replies

always coincide with "Here, check out this link, where you

can spend $200 on a miracle cure".

I don't discount that what he says might work on some

kids. I do object to being targeted because we have

special needs children. A lot of people out there are

willing to pull out their wallet any time they think

something is going to cure everything, and the fact of the

matter is, no 2 children are the exact same.

What works for 1, won't work for another. I'm sure there

are more than a few people who have bought Dr. Bates

program, and found it didn't work, while there may be more

than a few who found it to be the answer to their

problems.

If he felt the need to contribute, I know it would go a

thousand times further if it was done in a non-infomercial

style, with genuine answers, and not just a spiel aimed at

getting people to his page.

Interacting with people, asking questions, answering

questions, etc. Instead, he simply replies to specific

topics with, "Check out my page, I can cure your child"

>

> > **

> >

> > Kirsten,

> >

> > I've been working in this field for over 30

years. You have a right to

> > your opinions, and a right to be confused by Big

Pharma's lies, but the

> > scientific fact is that Autism is caused by

brain damage. That was mostly

> > done 30 years ago by physical damage such as a

fall, and it occurred in 1

> > in 10,000 cases of birth. It was also noticeable

at birth or soon after.

> >

> > Today, in most cases, the child seems to be

"normal" until he/she is given

> > the many vaccinations at one time, and all too

often the child is a

> > "different" personality from that point on. That

is the substance of the

> > many legal suits brought against the Government

and Big Pharma and MD's.

> > In a very few cases, the child has autism from

birth, and if the mother is

> > tested, high toxic levels of mercury and/or

aluminum are found in her.

> > This is not to blame her, as it is not her fault

for the huge rise in

> > mercury and aluminum contamination of our world.

However, the curve in the

> > rise of mercury contamination is the same curve

as the rise of Autism.

> > That's not a coincidence. From 1 in 10K to 1 in

under 100?

> >

> > Autism is NOT a simple behavior dysfunction. It

is a physical damage to

> > the brain function, and it isn't "cute". It can

be "cured" in spite of the

> > current idea that it can't, but the mercury and

other toxins causing the

> > brain to operate poorly MUST be removed in order

for that to be

> > accomplished. That's why my 4 part therapy for

autism stresses that as the

> > first, and most important therapy. The second

most important is my

> > Neuroliminal Training which solves the ADD/ADHD

portion of the confused

> > mind. The remaining two therapies solve the

nutrition and digestive

> > problems (in particular Leaky Gut Syndrome)

caused by the stress and lack

> > of sufficient nutrition during this time.

(Autistic kids are all "picky"

> > eaters in my experience).

> >

> > Autism is well known as the "family bankruptcy

disease", and every

> > seminar, convention, or workshop for it features

very expensive ways to

> > solve it. Mine is the only complete set of

therapies that is affordable to

> > the mid and even low income families. It is

almost exactly the same as the

> > famous Pfeiffer Clinic therapies that cost

thousands of bucks, and failed

> > as a result. Because it can be done completely

at home, it is the most

> > affordable set of therapies anywhere. Have you

even downloaded a free

> > copy of that article at

www.drbate.com/content/integrated.shtml?

> >

> > If you want to stay in denial, and think your

child is simply "normal"

> > with a few different traits, that's your right.

> >

>

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March 21, 2012

We suspected something was wrong with our son before he was born,

but it took until he was almost 6 before we could find a

professional who would even begin looking at why.Â I am sceptical of

claims to cure autism when, at the moment, we don't know what causes

it, and we don't even agree on what it is.Â The great increase in

autism recently suggests it isn't solely genetic, but must have some

environmental input.Â I am finding a grain free, dairy free diet is

helping me, but my son seems to be helped by medication.Â I lean

toward the idea that too highly processed food plays a big part in

most of today's diseases.Â I am sure all the contaminants in air,

water and soil also don't help.Â But perhaps, like with some other

conditions, there has to be a genetic susceptibility there before

autism develops.Â After all, not everyone develops autism, but we

are all exposed to much the same conditions.

Â

OMG!

Â Seriously?

My son didn't have a fall or brain damage as

you say....

He came out autistic and didn't all in a

sudden CHANGE from vaccines! Â I was telling our

Ped that I thought he was autistic at 7wks of

age (Yes, you read that correctly). Â See my son

is a twin and his sister wasn't obsessed with

bright lights, would turn to our voices and

didn't stair for hours at her mobile. Â She also

didn't try from AM to PM! Â

WOW is all I can say...

Lori

Please BOYCOTT the movie 21 Jump Street! It

makes fun of those with autism!

https://www.facebook.com/BoycottMovie21JumpStreetForAutism

From: R. Tucker

Subject: Re: Re: All

parents with ADD-Autism kids

To: "autism-aspergers "

<autism-aspergers >

Date: Wednesday, March 21, 2012, 6:54 AM

Â

The tone of this letter is

very rued and you are talking down

to your audience.Â Perhaps you

have a disorder called

egocentrism.Â No one can have a

valid view if it doesn't mimic

your own?Â You should be FAMOUS

since you have "the cure" to

Autism!! (sarcasm noted here)

Â

From:

Phil Bate PhD

To:

autism-aspergers

Sent:

Wednesday, March! 21, 2012

7:16 AM

Subject:

Re: All

parents with ADD-Autism kids

Â

Kirsten,

I've been working in this

field for over 30 years.Â

You have a right to your

opinions, and a right to

be confused by Big

Pharma's lies, but the

scientific fact is that

Autism is caused by brain

damage.Â That was mostlyÂ

done 30 years ago by

physical damage such as a

fall, and it occurred in 1

in 10,000 cases of birth.Â

It was also noticeable at

birth or soon after.Â

Today, in most cases, the

child seems to be "normal"

until he/she is given the

many vaccinations at one

time, and all too often

the child is a "different"

personality from that

point on.Â That is the

substance of the many

legal suits brought

against the Government and

Big Pharma and MD's.Â In a

very few cases, the child

has autism from birth, and

if the mother is tested,

high toxic levels of

mercury and/or aluminum

are found in her.Â This is

not to blame her, as it is

not her fault for the huge

rise in mercury and

aluminum contamination of

our world.Â However, the

curve in the rise of

mercury contamination is

the same curve as the rise

of Autism.Â That's not a

coincidence.Â Â From 1 in

10K to 1 in under 100?

Autism is NOT a simple

behavior dysfunction.Â It

is a physical damage to

the brain function, and it

isn't "cute".Â It can be

"cured" in spite of the

current idea that it

can't, but the mercury and

other toxins causing the

brain to operate poorly

MUST be removed in order

for that to be

accomplished.Â That's why

my 4 part therapy for

autism stresses that as

the first, and most

important therapy.Â The

second most important is

my Neuroliminal Training

which solves the ADD/ADHD

portion of the confused

mind.Â The remaining two

therapies solve the

nutrition and digestive

problems (in particular

Leaky Gut Syndrome) caused

by the stress and lack of

sufficient nutrition

during this time.Â

(Autistic kids are all

"picky" eaters in my

experience).

Autism is well known as

the "family bankruptcy

disease", and every

seminar, convention, or

workshop for it features

very expensive ways to

solve it.Â Mine is the

only complete set of

therapies that is

affordable to the mid and

even low income families.Â

It is almost exactly the

same as the famous

Pfeiffer Clinic therapies

that cost thousands of

bucks, and failed as a

result.Â Â Because it can

be done completely at

home, it is the most

affordable set of

therapies anywhere.Â Â Have

you even downloaded a free

copy of that article at www.drbate.com/content/integrated.shtml?

If you want to stay in

denial, and think your

child is simply "normal"

with a few different

traits, that's your

right.Â

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March 22, 2012

Simlpy put..and I agree with you!

To: autism-aspergers Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2012 3:59 PMSubject: Re: All parents with ADD-Autism kids

How do you explain the children who have had no trauma, and were not given vaccines? My daughter was not given a vaccine. She's on the spectrum. I don't medicate her, so I'm not exactly lining the pockets of "Big Pharma", as you call it, either. I'm not sure what lies, exactly, I'm following. All I know, is that my daughter is a wonderful, unique child, who was born differently, and who has always been a joyful, loving little girl with some quirks that make her think and act different than those around us.You make money off from the people who buy into your theory, the same as "Big Pharma" apparently does. Does it make either of you wrong? No, it means you both have differing opinions.But please, don't insult us by trying to make us think we're all doing something wrong. Not all cases of autism are the same. I know my child was not the product of vaccines. I know that other parents were blessed with NT

children, who changed after specific vaccines. I know that the symptoms are similar to autism, and that in several cases, those parents were able to find "cures" to autism.I don't agree that all cases are caused the same way, or that any 'cure' is 100% effective in a neurological problem. >> Kirsten,> > I've been working in this field for over 30 years. You have a right to> your opinions, and a right to be confused by Big Pharma's lies, but the> scientific fact is that Autism is caused by brain damage. That was mostly> done 30 years ago by physical damage such as a fall, and it occurred in 1> in 10,000 cases of birth. It was also noticeable at birth or soon after.>

> Today, in most cases, the child seems to be "normal" until he/she is given> the many vaccinations at one time, and all too often the child is a> "different" personality from that point on. That is the substance of the> many legal suits brought against the Government and Big Pharma and MD's.> In a very few cases, the child has autism from birth, and if the mother is> tested, high toxic levels of mercury and/or aluminum are found in her.> This is not to blame her, as it is not her fault for the huge rise in> mercury and aluminum contamination of our world. However, the curve in the> rise of mercury contamination is the same curve as the rise of Autism.> That's not a coincidence. From 1 in 10K to 1 in under 100?> > Autism is NOT a simple behavior dysfunction. It is a physical damage to> the brain function, and it isn't "cute". It can be "cured" in spite of

the> current idea that it can't, but the mercury and other toxins causing the> brain to operate poorly MUST be removed in order for that to be> accomplished. That's why my 4 part therapy for autism stresses that as the> first, and most important therapy. The second most important is my> Neuroliminal Training which solves the ADD/ADHD portion of the confused> mind. The remaining two therapies solve the nutrition and digestive> problems (in particular Leaky Gut Syndrome) caused by the stress and lack> of sufficient nutrition during this time. (Autistic kids are all "picky"> eaters in my experience).> > Autism is well known as the "family bankruptcy disease", and every seminar,> convention, or workshop for it features very expensive ways to solve it.> Mine is the only complete set of therapies that is affordable to the mid> and even low income families. It is

almost exactly the same as the famous> Pfeiffer Clinic therapies that cost thousands of bucks, and failed as a> result. Because it can be done completely at home, it is the most> affordable set of therapies anywhere. Have you even downloaded a free> copy of that article at www.drbate.com/content/integrated.shtml?> > If you want to stay in denial, and think your child is simply "normal" with> a few different traits, that's your right.>

March 22, 2012

I just re-read what the "Dr" said...and, my son is NOT a picky eater. My NT daughter is...And, I am confident that my son was autistic from birth.I didn't show any mercury or lead or any other chemicals in my blood and neither did my son...We tried the GFCFSF diets, supplements, B12 shots, etc, etc and stopped short of chelation because none of the "alternative" approaches worked. We even tried homeopathy. We have continued with what has worked - ABA therapy and medications (abilify and Risperdone). Can't blame a person for continuing what works for their kiddo and stopping what didn't!?! Can you?LoriPlease BOYCOTT the movie 21 Jump Street! It makes fun of those with autism!

https://www.facebook.com/BoycottMovie21JumpStreetForAutism--- Subject: Re: Re: All parents with ADD-Autism kidsTo: "autism-aspergers " <autism-aspergers >Date: Wednesday, March 21, 2012, 5:05 PM

Simlpy put..and I agree with you!

To: autism-aspergers Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2012 3:59 PMSubject: Re: All parents with ADD-Autism kids

How do you explain the children who have had no trauma, and were not given vaccines? My daughter was not given a vaccine. She's on the spectrum. I don't medicate her, so I'm not exactly lining the pockets of "Big Pharma", as you call it, either. I'm not sure what lies, exactly, I'm following. All I know, is that my daughter is a wonderful, unique child, who was born differently, and who has always been a joyful, loving little girl with some quirks that make her think and act different than those around us.You make money off from the people who buy into your theory, the same as "Big Pharma" apparently does. Does it make either of you wrong? No, it means you both have differing opinions.But please, don't insult us by trying to make us think we're all doing something wrong. Not all cases of autism are the same. I know my child was not the product of vaccines. I know that other parents were blessed with NT

children, who changed after specific vaccines. I know that the symptoms are similar to autism, and that in several cases, those parents were able to find "cures" to autism.I don't agree that all cases are caused the same way, or that any 'cure' is 100% effective in a neurological problem. >> Kirsten,> > I've been working in this field for over 30 years. You have a right to> your opinions, and a right to be confused by Big Pharma's lies, but the> scientific fact is that Autism is caused by brain damage. That was mostly> done 30 years ago by physical damage such as a fall, and it occurred in 1> in 10,000 cases of birth. It was also noticeable at birth or soon

after.>

> Today, in most cases, the child seems to be "normal" until he/she is given> the many vaccinations at one time, and all too often the child is a> "different" personality from that point on. That is the substance of the> many legal suits brought against the Government and Big Pharma and MD's.> In a very few cases, the child has autism from birth, and if the mother is> tested, high toxic levels of mercury and/or aluminum are found in her.> This is not to blame her, as it is not her fault for the huge rise in> mercury and aluminum contamination of our world. However, the curve in the> rise of mercury contamination is the same curve as the rise of Autism.> That's not a coincidence. From 1 in 10K to 1 in under 100?> > Autism is NOT a simple behavior dysfunction. It is a physical damage to> the brain function, and it isn't "cute". It can be "cured" in spite of

the> current idea that it can't, but the mercury and other toxins causing the> brain to operate poorly MUST be removed in order for that to be> accomplished. That's why my 4 part therapy for autism stresses that as the> first, and most important therapy. The second most important is my> Neuroliminal Training which solves the ADD/ADHD portion of the confused> mind. The remaining two therapies solve the nutrition and digestive> problems (in particular Leaky Gut Syndrome) caused by the stress and lack> of sufficient nutrition during this time. (Autistic kids are all "picky"> eaters in my experience).> > Autism is well known as the "family bankruptcy disease", and every seminar,> convention, or workshop for it features very expensive ways to solve it.> Mine is the only complete set of therapies that is affordable to the mid> and even low income families. It is

almost exactly the same as the famous> Pfeiffer Clinic therapies that cost thousands of bucks, and failed as a> result. Because it can be done completely at home, it is the most> affordable set of therapies anywhere. Have you even downloaded a free> copy of that article at www.drbate.com/content/integrated.shtml?> > If you want to stay in denial, and think your child is simply "normal" with> a few different traits, that's your right.>

March 22, 2012

I agree. I have learned from Dr. Bate's posts, too. To: autism-aspergers From: yofiyah@...Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2012 00:16:50 -0400Subject: Re: All parents with ADD-Autism kids

I for one, am glad that Dr Bate posts here and I hope that he continues to be allowed to do so. I don't understand why he gets so consistantly slammed here.There are quite a number of opinionated, harsh people who post to this group. I don't like what they have to say or their tone, so I just skip it and move on. I don't see them getting lambasted the way Dr Bate does. I appreciated that he is offering an approach that is accessible, inexpensive and in line with many of the biomedical theories. As for what he is selling on his site, it is minimal compared to the expense of seeing a DAN! doctor and following a typical protocol. I hope to afford his CD's at some point and don't see a risk since he offers a satisfaction guarantee. Anyway, that's beside the point. I just wanted to make it known that the dramatic critics on this list don't represent everyone. Dr Bate, please continue to post. , please let him.

March 22, 2012

I think we should just let Dr. Bate post what he feels he needs too. After all, that's what everyone else does. I don't agree with a lot of people on this list - but I don't feel I should complain about them. If I start reading and realize it's something I'm not interested in or that I don't agree with - I delete the post.

Dr. Bate is giving his opinion on how the child gets autism, the same way some people are adamant about how their child's autism was caused by vaccines. I don't believe in the vaccine theory but I don't slam every person who says they believe that. I don't give my kid drugs to help his autism so usually don't read the posts associated with that topic - but I don't slam the people who use drugs or write the posts about drugs.

Come on people! Stop bashing Dr. Bate. This is an open forum for people to post what they believe about autism. There are many good, useful posts on here. Let's give Dr. Bate a break. If you don't like what he's writing, delete the post and move on to the next one!

Thanks!

Estevan,SK

Canada

-- Re: All parents with ADD-Autism kids

I for one, am glad that Dr Bate posts here and I hope that he continues to be allowed to do so. I don't understand why he gets so consistantly slammed here.There are quite a number of opinionated, harsh people who post to this group. I don't like what they have to say or their tone, so I just skip it and move on. I don't see them getting lambasted the way Dr Bate does. I appreciated that he is offering an approach that is accessible, inexpensive and in line with many of the biomedical theories. As for what he is selling on his site, it is minimal compared to the expense of seeing a DAN! doctor and following a typical protocol. I hope to afford his CD's at some point and don't see a risk since he offers a satisfaction guarantee. Anyway, that's beside the point. I just wanted to make it known that the dramatic critics on this list don't represent everyone. Dr Bate, please continue to post. , please let him.

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March 22, 2012

I have found in the past that people who push their view over others always seem to use the descriptive; â€œscientific facts.â€ And I just want to point out something many may not realize. In this country and no doubt many others; it is NOT against the law to lie!

There are tons and tons of so called research to be found from countless resources in the field of nutrition, medicine, and just about any other area where all sorts of claims are made in order to sell products.

One just has to take a look at the â€œmale enhancementâ€ field, and the products on the market they say â€œscientific evidenceâ€ proves will help, to see my point. And how about baldness? There are so many false claims in the field of medicine, vitamins, and nutrition, the list could reach for miles.

It is not against the law to lie! Check it out.

So I tend to just NOT believe any of it. Well IF there has been actual scientific research done, and the article reported in a national scientific journal that polices that sort of thing, then maybe I will believe it up to a point. But will still wait for further research to be done, since facts are always in a state of evolution.

You see scientific evidence is built over time, lots and lots of time with people doing research who know how to do that. Go to any university and check it out.

Carolyn

From: holistichausfrau

Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2012 3:17 AM

To: autism-aspergers

Subject: Re: All parents with ADD-Autism kids

Dr. Bate, I agree with the people who say you should continue to be allowed to post here. That's why I responded to you, and didn't just appeal to as the moderator. I'm asking you to provide facts. For example, you continue to say it's a scientific facts that "autism is caused by brain damage," but where did you find this fact? What study/research proved that in your eyes? You made a number of assumptions about me in your response. People who know me would laugh at the idea that I've been fooled by big pharma. I treat everything with coconut oil or fish oil. My son is not medicated, nor has he ever been. But I would not rule it out if one day in the future there is credible research that gives me confidence that medication would be best for him. Like others who responded here, my son was who he is from birth: very hard to soothe, and reaching milestones early. He was diagnosed with Aspergers last year, but I can see each of his individual characteristics, the good stuff and the challenges, and see that they are hereditary in our particular case.Do I think it's "cute" when he is the only boy crying and acting out on the baseball field? Of course not. Am I proud that he has been recommended for an advanced learning placement in one of the highest rated school systems in the country? Of course I am. I know that I am lucky to be his mother, and that it's my job to learn how to help him thrive. That's why I'm on this list serve, to learn. All I'm asking is for you to not imply that our kids are defective, and to stick to facts in your posts.>> Kirsten,> > I've been working in this field for over 30 years. You have a right to> your opinions, and a right to be confused by Big Pharma's lies, but the> scientific fact is that Autism is caused by brain damage. That was mostly> done 30 years ago by physical damage such as a fall, and it occurred in 1> in 10,000 cases of birth. It was also noticeable at birth or soon after.> > Today, in most cases, the child seems to be "normal" until he/she is given> the many vaccinations at one time, and all too often the child is a> "different" personality from that point on. That is the substance of the> many legal suits brought against the Government and Big Pharma and MD's.> In a very few cases, the child has autism from birth, and if the mother is> tested, high toxic levels of mercury and/or aluminum are found in her.> This is not to blame her, as it is not her fault for the huge rise in> mercury and aluminum contamination of our world. However, the curve in the> rise of mercury contamination is the same curve as the rise of Autism.> That's not a coincidence. From 1 in 10K to 1 in under 100?> > Autism is NOT a simple behavior dysfunction. It is a physical damage to> the brain function, and it isn't "cute". It can be "cured" in spite of the> current idea that it can't, but the mercury and other toxins causing the> brain to operate poorly MUST be removed in order for that to be> accomplished. That's why my 4 part therapy for autism stresses that as the> first, and most important therapy. The second most important is my> Neuroliminal Training which solves the ADD/ADHD portion of the confused> mind. The remaining two therapies solve the nutrition and digestive> problems (in particular Leaky Gut Syndrome) caused by the stress and lack> of sufficient nutrition during this time. (Autistic kids are all "picky"> eaters in my experience).> > Autism is well known as the "family bankruptcy disease", and every seminar,> convention, or workshop for it features very expensive ways to solve it.> Mine is the only complete set of therapies that is affordable to the mid> and even low income families. It is almost exactly the same as the famous> Pfeiffer Clinic therapies that cost thousands of bucks, and failed as a> result. Because it can be done completely at home, it is the most> affordable set of therapies anywhere. Have you even downloaded a free> copy of that article at www.drbate.com/content/integrated.shtml?> > If you want to stay in denial, and think your child is simply "normal" with> a few different traits, that's your right.>

March 22, 2012

Would this 'brain damage' show up on a CT Scan or MRI? If so, would a normal CT scan or MRI indicate that my daughter doesn't have AS?

ï»¿ ï»¿ Only two defining forces have ever offered to die for you;

Jesus Christ and the American Soldier.

One died for your soul; the other for your freedom.

-- Re: All parents with ADD-Autism kids

Dr. Bate, I agree with the people who say you should continue to be allowed to post here. That's why I responded to you, and didn't just appeal to as the moderator. I'm asking you to provide facts. For example, you continue to say it's a scientific facts that "autism is caused by brain damage," but where did you find this fact? What study/research proved that in your eyes? You made a number of assumptions about me in your response. People who know me would laugh at the idea that I've been fooled by big pharma. I treat everything with coconut oil or fish oil. My son is not medicated, nor has he ever been. But I would not rule it out if one day in the future there is credible research that gives me confidence that medication would be best for him. Like others who responded here, my son was who he is from birth: very hard to soothe, and reaching milestones early. He was diagnosed with Aspergers last year, but I can see each of his individual characteristics, the good stuff and the challenges, and see that they are hereditary in our particular case.Do I think it's "cute" when he is the only boy crying and acting out on the baseball field? Of course not. Am I proud that he has been recommended for an advanced learning placement in one of the highest rated school systems in the country? Of course I am. I know that I am lucky to be his mother, and that it's my job to learn how to help him thrive. That's why I'm on this list serve, to learn. All I'm asking is for you to not imply that our kids are defective, and to stick to facts in your posts.>> Kirsten,> > I've been working in this field for over 30 years. You have a right to> your opinions, and a right to be confused by Big Pharma's lies, but the> scientific fact is that Autism is caused by brain damage. That was mostly> done 30 years ago by physical damage such as a fall, and it occurred in 1> in 10,000 cases of birth. It was also noticeable at birth or soon after.> > Today, in most cases, the child seems to be "normal" until he/she is given> the many vaccinations at one time, and all too often the child is a> "different" personality from that point on. That is the substance of the> many legal suits brought against the Government and Big Pharma and MD's.> In a very few cases, the child has autism from birth, and if the mother is> tested, high toxic levels of mercury and/or aluminum are found in her.> This is not to blame her, as it is not her fault for the huge rise in> mercury and aluminum contamination of our world. However, the curve in the> rise of mercury contamination is the same curve as the rise of Autism.> That's not a coincidence. From 1 in 10K to 1 in under 100?> > Autism is NOT a simple behavior dysfunction. It is a physical damage to> the brain function, and it isn't "cute". It can be "cured" in spite of the> current idea that it can't, but the mercury and other toxins causing the> brain to operate poorly MUST be removed in order for that to be> accomplished. That's why my 4 part therapy for autism stresses that as the> first, and most important therapy. The second most important is my> Neuroliminal Training which solves the ADD/ADHD portion of the confused> mind. The remaining two therapies solve the nutrition and digestive> problems (in particular Leaky Gut Syndrome) caused by the stress and lack> of sufficient nutrition during this time. (Autistic kids are all "picky"> eaters in my experience).> > Autism is well known as the "family bankruptcy disease", and every seminar,> convention, or workshop for it features very expensive ways to solve it.> Mine is the only complete set of therapies that is affordable to the mid> and even low income families. It is almost exactly the same as the famous> Pfeiffer Clinic therapies that cost thousands of bucks, and failed as a> result. Because it can be done completely at home, it is the most> affordable set of therapies anywhere. Have you even downloaded a free> copy of that article at www.drbate.com/content/integrated.shtml?> > If you want to stay in denial, and think your child is simply "normal" with> a few different traits, that's your right.>

March 22, 2012

No an MRI can show brain damage, congenital defect, or trama, but not autism (at

least not yet). Autism is dx'd based on a list of symptoms/ behaviors or lack

there of....an MRI is used to rule out the above so all is left is Autism.

--- Original Message ---

Sent: March 22, 2012 3/22/12

To: autism-aspergers

Subject: Re: Re: All parents with ADD-Autism kids

Â

Would this 'brain damage' show up on a CT Scan or MRI?Â If so, would a normal

CT scan or MRI indicate that my daughter doesn't have AS?Â

Â

ï»¿ ï»¿ Only two defining forces have ever offered to die for you;

Jesus Christ and the American Soldier.

One died for your soul; the other for your freedom.

-- Re: All parents with ADD-Autism kids

Â

Dr. Bate, I agree with the people who say you should continue to be allowed to

post here. That's why I responded to you, and didn't just appeal to as the

moderator. I'm asking you to provide facts. For example, you continue to say

it's a scientific facts that " autism is caused by brain damage, " but where did

you find this fact? What study/research proved that in your eyes?

You made a number of assumptions about me in your response. People who know me

would laugh at the idea that I've been fooled by big pharma. I treat everything

with coconut oil or fish oil. My son is not medicated, nor has he ever been. But

I would not rule it out if one day in the future there is credible research that

gives me confidence that medication would be best for him.

Like others who responded here, my son was who he is from birth: very hard to

soothe, and reaching milestones early. He was diagnosed with Aspergers last

year, but I can see each of his individual characteristics, the good stuff and

the challenges, and see that they are hereditary in our particular case.

Do I think it's " cute " when he is the only boy crying and acting out on the

baseball field? Of course not. Am I proud that he has been recommended for an

advanced learning placement in one of the highest rated school systems in the

country? Of course I am. I know that I am lucky to be his mother, and that it's

my job to learn how to help him thrive. That's why I'm on this list serve, to

learn. All I'm asking is for you to not imply that our kids are defective, and

to stick to facts in your posts.

>

> Kirsten,

>

> I've been working in this field for over 30 years. You have a right to

> your opinions, and a right to be confused by Big Pharma's lies, but the

> scientific fact is that Autism is caused by brain damage. That was mostly

> done 30 years ago by physical damage such as a fall, and it occurred in 1

> in 10,000 cases of birth. It was also noticeable at birth or soon after.

>

> Today, in most cases, the child seems to be " normal " until he/she is given

> the many vaccinations at one time, and all too often the child is a

> " different " personality from that point on. That is the substance of the

> many legal suits brought against the Government and Big Pharma and MD's.

> In a very few cases, the child has autism from birth, and if the mother is

> tested, high toxic levels of mercury and/or aluminum are found in her.

> This is not to blame her, as it is not her fault for the huge rise in

> mercury and aluminum contamination of our world. However, the curve in the

> rise of mercury contamination is the same curve as the rise of Autism.

> That's not a coincidence. From 1 in 10K to 1 in under 100?

>

> Autism is NOT a simple behavior dysfunction. It is a physical damage to

> the brain function, and it isn't " cute " . It can be " cured " in spite of the

> current idea that it can't, but the mercury and other toxins causi

March 22, 2012

Yes, sort of.Â It would show there is a non-normal functioning

brain.Â There do seem to be common patterns for kids with AS, but

from memory it is about 80% match between brain scans and a formal

diagnosis.Â So none of the current methods for diagnosing AS can

claim to be 100% accurate.Â Considering we still do not know for

sure whether everything put into the Autism spectrum is actually one

disorder with just one, or even just one cluster, of causes, that

shouldn't surprise anyone.Â I am not sure that scans can

discriminate between AS and ADHD.Â But, again, quite a few experts

claim they are really different sides of the same condition.Â

I think what can be said without question is that the brain of

someone with AS operates differently to the neurotypical brain, and

that is manifested as impairment in some areas of

life as an impairment.Â Cause and effect is notoriously difficult to

distinguish from co-occurrence.Â So as a way of showing abnormal

activity it is accurate, but I am not so sure it can prove

'damage'.Â Even if it mimics real damage, it doesn't prove that

there is damage.Â That would require actually looking at the brain.Â

But remember I am a social scientist, not a 'real' scientist, so

could be wrong.

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Would this 'brain damage' show up on a CT

Scan or MRI?Â If so, would a normal CT scan

or MRI indicate that my daughter doesn't

have AS?Â

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Soldier.

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From:

Carolyn

Date:

3/22/2012 12:18:01 PM

To:

autism-aspergers

Subject:

Re: Re: All parents

with ADD-Autism kids

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I have found in the

past that people who push their view

over others always seem to use the

descriptive; â€œscientific facts.â€ And

I just want to point out something

many may not realize. In this

country and no doubt many others; it

is NOT against the law to lie!

Â

There are tons and

tons of so called research to be

found from countless resources in

the field of nutrition, medicine,

and just about any other area where

all sorts of claims are made in

order to sell products.

Â

One just has to take

a look at the â€œmale enhancementâ€

field, and the products on the

market they say â€œscientific

evidenceâ€ proves will help, to see

my point. And how about baldness?

There are so many false claims in

the field of medicine, vitamins, and

nutrition, the list could reach for

miles.

Â

It is not against

the law to lie! Check it out.

Â

So I tend to just

NOT believe any of it. Well IF there

has been actual scientific research

done, and the article reported in a

national scientific journal that

polices that sort of thing, then

maybe I will believe it up to a

point. But will still wait for

further research to be done, since

facts are always in a state of

evolution.

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You see scientific

evidence is built over time, lots

and lots of time with people doing

research who know how to do that. Go

to any university and check it out.

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From: holistichausfrau

Sent: Thursday, March

22, 2012 3:17 AM

To: autism-aspergers

Subject:

Re: All

parents with ADD-Autism kids

Â

Dr. Bate, I agree with the people

who say you should continue to be

allowed to post here. That's why I

responded to you, and didn't just

appeal to as the moderator.

I'm asking you to provide facts.

For example, you continue to say

it's a scientific facts that

"autism is caused by brain

damage," but where did you find

this fact? What study/research

proved that in your eyes?

You made a number of assumptions

about me in your response. People

who know me would laugh at the

idea that I've been fooled by big

pharma. I treat everything with

coconut oil or fish oil. My son is

not medicated, nor has he ever

been. But I would not rule it out

if one day in the future there is

credible research that gives me

confidence that medication would

be best for him.

Like others who responded here, my

son was who he is from birth: very

hard to soothe, and reaching

milestones early. He was diagnosed

with Aspergers last year, but I

can see each of his individual

characteristics, the good stuff

and the challenges, and see that

they are hereditary in our

particular case.

Do I think it's "cute" when he is

the only boy crying and acting out

on the baseball field? Of course

not. Am I proud that he has been

recommended for an advanced

learning placement in one of the

highest rated school systems in

the country? Of course I am. I

know that I am lucky to be his

mother, and that it's my job to

learn how to help him thrive.

That's why I'm on this list serve,

to learn. All I'm asking is for

you to not imply that our kids are

defective, and to stick to facts

in your posts.

>

> Kirsten,

>

> I've been working in this

field for over 30 years. You have

a right to

> your opinions, and a right to

be confused by Big Pharma's lies,

but the

> scientific fact is that

Autism is caused by brain damage.

That was mostly

> done 30 years ago by physical

damage such as a fall, and it

occurred in 1

> in 10,000 cases of birth. It

was also noticeable at birth or

soon after.

>

> Today, in most cases, the

child seems to be "normal" until

he/she is given

> the many vaccinations at one

time, and all too often the child

is a

> "different" personality from

that point on. That is the

substance of the

> many legal suits brought

against the Government and Big

Pharma and MD's.

> In a very few cases, the

child has autism from birth, and

if the mother is

> tested, high toxic levels of

mercury and/or aluminum are found

in her.

> This is not to blame her, as

it is not her fault for the huge

rise in

> mercury and aluminum

contamination of our world.

However, the curve in the

> rise of mercury contamination

is the same curve as the rise of

Autism.

> That's not a coincidence.

From 1 in 10K to 1 in under 100?

>

> Autism is NOT a simple

behavior dysfunction. It is a

physical damage to

> the brain function, and it

isn't "cute". It can be "cured" in

spite of the

> current idea that it can't,

but the mercury and other toxins

causing the

> brain to operate poorly MUST

be removed in order for that to be

> accomplished. That's why my 4

part therapy for autism stresses

that as the

> first, and most important

therapy. The second most important

is my

> Neuroliminal Training which

solves the ADD/ADHD portion of the

confused

> mind. The remaining two

therapies solve the nutrition and

digestive

> problems (in particular Leaky

Gut Syndrome) caused by the stress

and lack

> of sufficient nutrition

during this time. (Autistic kids

are all "picky"

> eaters in my experience).

>

> Autism is well known as the

"family bankruptcy disease", and

every seminar,

> convention, or workshop for

it features very expensive ways to

solve it.

> Mine is the only complete set

of therapies that is affordable to

the mid

> and even low income families.

It is almost exactly the same as

the famous

> Pfeiffer Clinic therapies

that cost thousands of bucks, and

failed as a

> result. Because it can be

done completely at home, it is the

most

> affordable set of therapies

anywhere. Have you even downloaded

a free

> copy of that article at

www.drbate.com/content/integrated.shtml?

>

> If you want to stay in

denial, and think your child is

simply "normal" with

> a few different traits,

that's your right.

>

Â

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March 23, 2012

I completely agree! Let him say what he thinks. He may be right in some cases and wrong in others. , in this group said she just deletes things she doesn't like. I do the same thing.

To: autism-aspergers Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2012 9:56 AMSubject: RE: Re: All parents with ADD-Autism kids

I think we should just let Dr. Bate post what he feels he needs too. After all, that's what everyone else does. I don't agree with a lot of people on this list - but I don't feel I should complain about them. If I start reading and realize it's something I'm not interested in or that I don't agree with - I delete the post.

Dr. Bate is giving his opinion on how the child gets autism, the same way some people are adamant about how their child's autism was caused by vaccines. I don't believe in the vaccine theory but I don't slam every person who says they believe that. I don't give my kid drugs to help his autism so usually don't read the posts associated with that topic - but I don't slam the people who use drugs or write the posts about drugs.

Come on people! Stop bashing Dr. Bate. This is an open forum for people to post what they believe about autism. There are many good, useful posts on here. Let's give Dr. Bate a break. If you don't like what he's writing, delete the post and move on to the next one!

Thanks!

Estevan,SK

Canada

-- Re: All parents with ADD-Autism kids

I for one, am glad that Dr Bate posts here and I hope that he continues to be allowed to do so. I don't understand why he gets so consistantly slammed here.There are quite a number of opinionated, harsh people who post to this group. I don't like what they have to say or their tone, so I just skip it and move on. I don't see them getting lambasted the way Dr Bate does. I appreciated that he is offering an approach that is accessible, inexpensive and in line with many of the biomedical theories. As for what he is selling on his site, it is minimal compared to the expense of seeing a DAN! doctor and following a typical protocol. I hope to afford his CD's at some point and don't see a risk since he offers a satisfaction guarantee. Anyway, that's beside the point. I just wanted to make it known that the dramatic critics on this list don't represent everyone. Dr Bate, please continue to post. , please let

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March 23, 2012

I watched a show called Ingenious Minds on the Sci Fi channel. They showed a study where they did a brain scan on a NT person and the person with ASD where they would ask a question such as "What color is a banana?" I found it fascinating how while they both produced the same answer, the brain of the ASD person took a surprisingly different path to get the same answer. Sparks were flying all over the place going from A to D to T to X whereas the NT brain went from A to B. I never understood it quite that way before I had seen that show. Temple Grandin did an episode for this show and allowed the Mayo Clinic to study her brain. Amazing series!! To: autism-aspergers Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2012 12:26 PM Subject: Re: Re: All parents with ADD-Autism kids

Would this 'brain damage' show up on a CT Scan or MRI? If so, would a normal CT scan or MRI indicate that my daughter doesn't have AS?

ï»¿ ï»¿ Only two defining forces have ever offered to die for you;

Jesus Christ and the American Soldier.

One died for your soul; the other for your freedom.

-- Re: All parents with ADD-Autism kids

Dr. Bate, I agree with the people who say you should continue to be allowed to post here. That's why I responded to you, and didn't just appeal to as the moderator. I'm asking you to provide facts. For example, you continue to say it's a scientific facts that "autism is caused by brain damage," but where did you find this fact? What study/research proved that in your eyes? You made a number of assumptions about me in your response. People who know me would laugh at the idea that I've been fooled by big pharma. I treat everything with coconut oil or fish oil. My son is not medicated, nor has he ever been. But I would not rule it out if one day in the future there is credible research that gives me confidence that medication would be best for him. Like others who responded here, my son was who he is from birth: very hard to soothe, and reaching milestones early. He was diagnosed with Aspergers last year, but I can see each of his

individual characteristics, the good stuff and the challenges, and see that they are hereditary in our particular case.Do I think it's "cute" when he is the only boy crying and acting out on the baseball field? Of course not. Am I proud that he has been recommended for an advanced learning placement in one of the highest rated school systems in the country? Of course I am. I know that I am lucky to be his mother, and that it's my job to learn how to help him thrive. That's why I'm on this list serve, to learn. All I'm asking is for you to not imply that our kids are defective, and to stick to facts in your posts.>> Kirsten,> > I've been working in this field for over 30

years. You have a right to> your opinions, and a right to be confused by Big Pharma's lies, but the> scientific fact is that Autism is caused by brain damage. That was mostly> done 30 years ago by physical damage such as a fall, and it occurred in 1> in 10,000 cases of birth. It was also noticeable at birth or soon after.> > Today, in most cases, the child seems to be "normal" until he/she is given> the many vaccinations at one time, and all too often the child is a> "different" personality from that point on. That is the substance of the> many legal suits brought against the Government and Big Pharma and MD's.> In a very few cases, the child has autism from birth, and if the mother is> tested, high toxic levels of mercury and/or aluminum are found in her.> This is not to blame her, as it is not her fault for the huge rise in> mercury and aluminum contamination of

our world. However, the curve in the> rise of mercury contamination is the same curve as the rise of Autism.> That's not a coincidence. From 1 in 10K to 1 in under 100?> > Autism is NOT a simple behavior dysfunction. It is a physical damage to> the brain function, and it isn't "cute". It can be "cured" in spite of the> current idea that it can't, but the mercury and other toxins causing the> brain to operate poorly MUST be removed in order for that to be> accomplished. That's why my 4 part therapy for autism stresses that as the> first, and most important therapy. The second most important is my> Neuroliminal Training which solves the ADD/ADHD portion of the confused> mind. The remaining two therapies solve the nutrition and digestive> problems (in particular Leaky Gut Syndrome) caused by the stress and lack> of sufficient nutrition during this time. (Autistic

kids are all "picky"> eaters in my experience).> > Autism is well known as the "family bankruptcy disease", and every seminar,> convention, or workshop for it features very expensive ways to solve it.> Mine is the only complete set of therapies that is affordable to the mid> and even low income families. It is almost exactly the same as the famous> Pfeiffer Clinic therapies that cost thousands of bucks, and failed as a> result. Because it can be done completely at home, it is the most> affordable set of therapies anywhere. Have you even downloaded a free> copy of that article at www.drbate.com/content/integrated.shtml?> > If you want to stay in denial, and think your child is simply "normal" with> a few different traits, that's your right.>

March 23, 2012

That's very interesting! I'd like to see that. I wonder if I could find it on the web ?Gladys

I watched a show called Ingenious Minds on the Sci Fi channel. They showed a study where they did a brain scan on a NT person and the person with ASD where they would ask a question such as "What color is a banana?" I found it fascinating how while they both produced the same answer, the brain of the ASD person took a surprisingly different path to get the same answer. Sparks were flying all over the place going from A to D to T to X whereas the NT brain went from A to B. I never understood it quite that way before I had seen that show. Temple Grandin did an episode for this show and allowed the Mayo Clinic to study her brain. Amazing series!! To: autism-aspergers Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2012 12:26 PM Subject: Re: Re: All parents with ADD-Autism kids

Would this 'brain damage' show up on a CT Scan or MRI? If so, would a normal CT scan or MRI indicate that my daughter doesn't have AS?

ï»¿ ï»¿ Only two defining forces have ever offered to die for you;

Jesus Christ and the American Soldier.

One died for your soul; the other for your freedom.

-- Re: All parents with ADD-Autism kids

Dr. Bate, I agree with the people who say you should continue to be allowed to post here. That's why I responded to you, and didn't just appeal to as the moderator. I'm asking you to provide facts. For example, you continue to say it's a scientific facts that "autism is caused by brain damage," but where did you find this fact? What study/research proved that in your eyes? You made a number of assumptions about me in your response. People who know me would laugh at the idea that I've been fooled by big pharma. I treat everything with coconut oil or fish oil. My son is not medicated, nor has he ever been. But I would not rule it out if one day in the future there is credible research that gives me confidence that medication would be best for him. Like others who responded here, my son was who he is from birth: very hard to soothe, and reaching milestones early. He was diagnosed with Aspergers last year, but I can see each of his

individual characteristics, the good stuff and the challenges, and see that they are hereditary in our particular case.Do I think it's "cute" when he is the only boy crying and acting out on the baseball field? Of course not. Am I proud that he has been recommended for an advanced learning placement in one of the highest rated school systems in the country? Of course I am. I know that I am lucky to be his mother, and that it's my job to learn how to help him thrive. That's why I'm on this list serve, to learn. All I'm asking is for you to not imply that our kids are defective, and to stick to facts in your posts.>> Kirsten,> > I've been working in this field for over 30

years. You have a right to> your opinions, and a right to be confused by Big Pharma's lies, but the> scientific fact is that Autism is caused by brain damage. That was mostly> done 30 years ago by physical damage such as a fall, and it occurred in 1> in 10,000 cases of birth. It was also noticeable at birth or soon after.> > Today, in most cases, the child seems to be "normal" until he/she is given> the many vaccinations at one time, and all too often the child is a> "different" personality from that point on. That is the substance of the> many legal suits brought against the Government and Big Pharma and MD's.> In a very few cases, the child has autism from birth, and if the mother is> tested, high toxic levels of mercury and/or aluminum are found in her.> This is not to blame her, as it is not her fault for the huge rise in> mercury and aluminum contamination of

our world. However, the curve in the> rise of mercury contamination is the same curve as the rise of Autism.> That's not a coincidence. From 1 in 10K to 1 in under 100?> > Autism is NOT a simple behavior dysfunction. It is a physical damage to> the brain function, and it isn't "cute". It can be "cured" in spite of the> current idea that it can't, but the mercury and other toxins causing the> brain to operate poorly MUST be removed in order for that to be> accomplished. That's why my 4 part therapy for autism stresses that as the> first, and most important therapy. The second most important is my> Neuroliminal Training which solves the ADD/ADHD portion of the confused> mind. The remaining two therapies solve the nutrition and digestive> problems (in particular Leaky Gut Syndrome) caused by the stress and lack> of sufficient nutrition during this time. (Autistic

kids are all "picky"> eaters in my experience).> > Autism is well known as the "family bankruptcy disease", and every seminar,> convention, or workshop for it features very expensive ways to solve it.> Mine is the only complete set of therapies that is affordable to the mid> and even low income families. It is almost exactly the same as the famous> Pfeiffer Clinic therapies that cost thousands of bucks, and failed as a> result. Because it can be done completely at home, it is the most> affordable set of therapies anywhere. Have you even downloaded a free> copy of that article at www.drbate.com/content/integrated.shtml?> > If you want to stay in denial, and think your child is simply "normal" with> a few different traits, that's your right.>

=

March 23, 2012

Agreed. Very interesting show! But some of the therapies on the show aren't available to the common public! To: "autism-aspergers " <autism-aspergers > Sent: Friday, March 23, 2012 12:03 AM Subject: Re:

Re: All parents with ADD-Autism kids

I watched a show called Ingenious Minds on the Sci Fi channel. They showed a study where they did a brain scan on a NT person and the person with ASD where they would ask a question such as "What color is a banana?" I found it fascinating how while they both produced the same answer, the brain of the ASD person took a surprisingly different path to get the same answer. Sparks were flying all over the place going from A to D to T to X whereas the NT brain went from A to B. I never understood it quite that way before I had seen that show. Temple Grandin did an episode for this show and allowed the Mayo Clinic to study her brain. Amazing series!! To: autism-aspergers Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2012 12:26 PM Subject: Re: Re: All parents with ADD-Autism kids

Would this 'brain damage' show up on a CT Scan or MRI? If so, would a normal CT scan or MRI indicate that my daughter doesn't have AS?

ï»¿ ï»¿ Only two defining forces have ever offered to die for you;

Jesus Christ and the American Soldier.

One died for your soul; the other for your freedom.

-- Re: All parents with ADD-Autism kids

Dr. Bate, I agree with the people who say you should continue to be allowed to post here. That's why I responded to you, and didn't just appeal to as the moderator. I'm asking you to provide facts. For example, you continue to say it's a scientific facts that "autism is caused by brain damage," but where did you find this fact? What study/research proved that in your eyes? You made a number of assumptions about me in your response. People who know me would laugh at the idea that I've been fooled by big pharma. I treat everything with coconut oil or fish oil. My son is not medicated, nor has he ever been. But I would not rule it out if one day in the future there is credible research that gives me confidence that medication would be best for him. Like others who responded here, my son was who he is from birth: very hard to soothe, and reaching milestones early. He was diagnosed with Aspergers last year, but I can see each of his

individual characteristics, the good stuff and the challenges, and see that they are hereditary in our particular case.Do I think it's "cute" when he is the only boy crying and acting out on the baseball field? Of course not. Am I proud that he has been recommended for an advanced learning placement in one of the highest rated school systems in the country? Of course I am. I know that I am lucky to be his mother, and that it's my job to learn how to help him thrive. That's why I'm on this list serve, to learn. All I'm asking is for you to not imply that our kids are defective, and to stick to facts in your posts.>> Kirsten,> > I've been working in this field for over 30

years. You have a right to> your opinions, and a right to be confused by Big Pharma's lies, but the> scientific fact is that Autism is caused by brain damage. That was mostly> done 30 years ago by physical damage such as a fall, and it occurred in 1> in 10,000 cases of birth. It was also noticeable at birth or soon after.> > Today, in most cases, the child seems to be "normal" until he/she is given> the many vaccinations at one time, and all too often the child is a> "different" personality from that point on. That is the substance of the> many legal suits brought against the Government and Big Pharma and MD's.> In a very few cases, the child has autism from birth, and if the mother is> tested, high toxic levels of mercury and/or aluminum are found in her.> This is not to blame her, as it is not her fault for the huge rise in> mercury and aluminum contamination of

our world. However, the curve in the> rise of mercury contamination is the same curve as the rise of Autism.> That's not a coincidence. From 1 in 10K to 1 in under 100?> > Autism is NOT a simple behavior dysfunction. It is a physical damage to> the brain function, and it isn't "cute". It can be "cured" in spite of the> current idea that it can't, but the mercury and other toxins causing the> brain to operate poorly MUST be removed in order for that to be> accomplished. That's why my 4 part therapy for autism stresses that as the> first, and most important therapy. The second most important is my> Neuroliminal Training which solves the ADD/ADHD portion of the confused> mind. The remaining two therapies solve the nutrition and digestive> problems (in particular Leaky Gut Syndrome) caused by the stress and lack> of sufficient nutrition during this time. (Autistic

kids are all "picky"> eaters in my experience).> > Autism is well known as the "family bankruptcy disease", and every seminar,> convention, or workshop for it features very expensive ways to solve it.> Mine is the only complete set of therapies that is affordable to the mid> and even low income families. It is almost exactly the same as the famous> Pfeiffer Clinic therapies that cost thousands of bucks, and failed as a> result. Because it can be done completely at home, it is the most> affordable set of therapies anywhere. Have you even downloaded a free> copy of that article at www.drbate.com/content/integrated.shtml?> > If you want to stay in denial, and think your child is simply "normal" with> a few different traits, that's your right.>

March 23, 2012

I think another parent said they were able to see it on the web. I have seen all

9 episodes and highly recommend it. There`s 1 about an aspie teen who is an

international pinball champion, 1 about calendar a calculating savant, and 1

about a man who fell in the shallow end of a pool and had a brain annuerism and

developed a genious music talent he never had before and was able to describe

what the music looks like to him in his mind...... fascinating stuff!

--------------------------- > >> I watched a show called Ingenious Minds on

the Sci Fi channel. They showed a study where they did a brain scan on a NT

person and the person with ASD where they would ask a question such as " What

color is a banana? " I found it

fascinating how while they both produced the same answer, the brain of the ASD

person took a surprisingly different path to get the same answer. Sparks were

flying all over the place going from A to D to T to X whereas the NT brain went

from A to B. I never understood it quite that way before I had seen that show.

Temple Grandin did an episode for this show and allowed the Mayo Clinic to study

her brain. Amazing series!! >> >> >> From: Muehleisen Family

>> To: autism-aspergers >> Sent: Thursday,

March 22, 2012 12:26 PM >> Subject: Re: Re: All parents with

ADD-Autism kids >> >> Would this 'brain damage' show up on a CT Scan or MRI? If

so, would a normal CT scan or MRI indicate that my daughter doesn't have AS? >>

>> >> >> >> >> Only two defining forces have ever offered to die for

you; >> Jesus Christ and the American Soldier. >> One died for your soul; the

other for your freedom.

>> -- Re: All parents

with ADD-Autism kids >> >> >> Dr. Bate, I agree with the people who say you

should continue to be allowed to post here. That's why I responded to you, and

didn't just appeal to

as the moderator. I'm asking you to provide facts. For example, you

continue to say it's a scientific facts that " autism is caused by brain damage, "

but where did you find this fact? What study/research proved that in your eyes?

>> >> You made a number of assumptions about me in your response. People who

know me would laugh at the idea that I've been fooled by big pharma. I treat

everything with coconut oil or fish oil. My son is not medicated, nor has he

ever been. But I would not rule it out if one day in the future there is

credible research that gives me confidence that medication would be best for

him. >> >> Like others who responded here, my son was who he is from birth:

very hard to soothe, and reaching milestones early. He was diagnosed with

Aspergers last year, but I can see each of his individual characteristics, the

good stuff and the challenges, and see that they are hereditary in our

particular case. >> >> Do I think it's " cute "

when he is the only boy crying and acting out on the baseball field? Of course

not. Am I proud that he has been recommended for an advanced learning placement

in one of the highest rated school systems in the country? Of course I am. I

know that I am lucky to be his mother, and that it's my job to learn how to help

him thrive. That's why I'm on this list serve, to learn. All I'm asking is for

you to not imply that our kids are defective, and to stick to facts in your

posts. >> >> >> >> >> > >> > Kirsten, >> > >> > I've been

working in this field for over 30 years. You have a right to >> > your opinions,

and a right to be confused by Big Pharma's lies, but the >> > scientific fact is

that Autism is caused by brain damage. That was mostly >> > done 30 years ago by

physical damage such as a fall, and it occurred in 1 >> > in 10,000 cases of

birth. It was also

noticeable at birth or soon after. >> > >> > Today, in most cases, the child

seems to be " normal " until he/she is given >> > the many vaccinations at one

time, and all too often the child is a >> > " different " personality from that

point on. That is the substance of the >> > many legal suits brought against the

Government and Big Pharma and MD's. >> > In a very few cases, the child has

autism from birth, and if the mother is >> > tested, high toxic levels of

mercury and/or aluminum are found in her. >> > This is not to blame her, as it

is not her fault for the huge rise in >> > mercury and aluminum contamination of

our world. However, the curve in the >> > rise of mercury contamination is the

same curve as the rise of Autism. >> > That's not a coincidence. From 1 in 10K

to 1 in under 100? >> > >> > Autism is NOT a simple behavior dysfunction. It is

a physical damage to >> > the brain function, and it isn't " cute " . It can be

" cured " in spite of the >>

> current idea that it can't, but the mercury and other toxins causing the >> >

brain to operate poorly MUST be removed in order for that to be >> >

accomplished. That's why my 4 part therapy for autism stresses that as the >> >

first, and most important therapy. The second most important is my >> >

Neuroliminal Training which solves the ADD/ADHD portion of the confused >> >

mind. The remaining two therapies solve the nutrition and digestive >> >

problems (in particular Leaky Gut Syndrome) caused by the stress and lack >> >

of sufficient nutrition during this time. (Autistic kids are all " picky " >> >

eaters in my experience). >> > >> > Autism is well known as the " family

bankruptcy disease " , and every seminar, >> > convention, or workshop for it

features very expensive ways to solve it. >> > Mine is the only complete set of

therapies that is affordable to the mid >> > and even low income families. It is

almost exactly the same as the famous >> >

Pfeiffer Clinic therapies that cost thousands of bucks, and failed as a >> >

result. Because it can be done completely at home, it is the most >> >

affordable set of therapies anywhere. Have you even downloaded a free >> > copy

of that article at www.drbate.com/content/integrated.shtml? >> > >> > If you

want to stay in denial, and think your child is simply " normal " with >> > a few

different traits, that's your right. >> > >> >> >>

March 26, 2012

This has always been a place to gain information as well as

support.Â If you look at the description on our home page it says it

was created "to share stories, ideas, treatments, therapies, advice

and support".Â There are often discussions of various treatments,

and whether they have worked for others.Â Informing people of

products and services is allowed, but it is expected that it will

not be excessive.Â How we define 'excessive' is still being worked

out.Â My suggestion is that anyone with any service or product lists

it in our files section under "Professional Services", and then

refer people there.Â That allows people to go and look if they want

to, or they can choose not to.Â There are a couple of services

listed there, but any professionals who are members are welcome to

add their details.Â Links to websites can be added under "Links".Â Â

I check about once a month to make sure we don't have anything

inappropriate there, and if anyone finds something I would like to

know.Â We do have links to a lot of useful sites.

We tend to go through cycles.Â We will have a run of emails arguing

over whether immunisations do or do not cause austim, then the

conversation moves to some form of therapy, then there will be a

discussion of weighted blankets during which one or two people will

let us know they make and sell them, etc.Â I tend to allow any post

that is offering a service or product if it comes as a result of a

question or a discussion.Â Anyone who joins and just posts about

their product and never joins in the discussion will not be allowed

to post.Â I especially want to avoid people who join and then simply

have a post sent every Monday morning advertising their product.Â

Anyone who even looks like they might do that remains moderated.Â I

don't see any difference between Dr Bate and those who advertise a

camp or a play group or any other service that involves money.Â One

of the realities of autism is that it involves spending a lot of

money.Â I realise that a camp run in LA, or a seminar in Atlanta, is

probably irrelevant to 98% of people here, but if it helps 1%, then

I think it is worthwhile posting it.Â You will also find posts

asking for volunteers to take part in research.Â Considering how

little is known about autism, every bit of research is helpful. Â

There are a few emails each week offering all sorts of wonderful

services that have nothing to do with autism that don't get through,

and some members are no longer able to post because they insist on

doing that after being asked to stop.

The current posts from Dr Bate are in response to a discussion on

what he offers and whether he is advertising too much.Â He is on

moderation permanently, not only because he can be a bit blunt and I

can edit out a sentence or two that most people will find offensive

while allowing him to post what is otherwise worthwhile information,

but because all individuals and groups who offer a service or

product are on permanent moderation.Â That way I can decide how

often the posts go through.Â Â He is not the only individual on

moderation because they tend to say things with good intentions that

don't always come across that way.Â Some have asked me not to take

them off moderation because they know they can reply in haste and

then regret what they say almost as soon as they send the email.Â We

all tend to have things we feel passionately about, and that

sometimes leads to heated debates.Â As long as there is respect for

other people, anything connected with autism is an acceptable topic

for discussion.Â Learning to use your email so that certain topics

or posters go straight to 'trash' is a useful skill for anyone who

wants to take part in an email group.Â Unlike real life, ignoring

people and topics is perfectly acceptable in an email group.Â As

moderator, I don't have that luxury, but I would encourage everyone

else to take advantage of it.Â We get hundreds of posts every month

- sometimes well over 1,000 - so no one should feel obliged to read

every one of them.Â We have over 3,000 members, so it is unlikely

that any post will remain unread by everyone.

[moderator]

Â

I'm new here, and in deciding if I want to remain here, I

have to ask: are people who are selling "cures" allowed to

join this list and sell their "cures" to the members? I

thought this was a support group, so I'm not sure if I

want to stay on a group that will be bombed with sales

posts, so I'd like to know. Thanks.

ann

>

> Jodi and all others with ADD-Autistic kids. Do you

want to really help

> these kids? Simply use my ADD-Autism Neuroliminal

Training CD for 60 days,

> and if your kid(s) aren't really significantly

improved, just send it back

> to me and get a refund. If there is no actual brain

damage (Autism), your

> child will sit still in school, concentrate and

learn, raise grades, and

> increase IQ score 10-15 points (ADD-Autistic kids are

all high IQ scorers

> IF they are treated right. For more information go to

www.drbate.com.

>

> There is a four part integrated therapy I developed

for all these kids of

> which my NT is one part. It is all designed to be

done at home, so it's

> inexpensive without "doctor time". You can download

this at

> www.drbate.com/content/integrated.shtml

>

> AS far as home schooling is concerned, I have met

many people who did so on

> boats and in homes, and all those kids were "better

educated" than others

> in public schools, and with only 2-3 hours a day

teaching. In particular,

> the child with ADD-Autism is "different", so the

other kids willo bully

> him/her, and who likes that? That's my opinion, and I

am not an expert in

> schooling. Most of the people I have known used the

Calvert system, but

> it's been some time, so there may others as good now.

>

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