Re: aggression & meltdowns - HELP

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It's not going to hurt him to stop it now and try again later when there is less confusion as to what may be causing issues.Personally, I would stop the MB12 for now.  And then I would eliminate one thing at a time until you find the source of the problem.  If it's the MB12, you'll know.  If it's not, keep eliminating.  Sac B is for yeast so you may be seeing die off from that and Pro-Bio is a probiotic meant to fill the gut with good bacteria and hopefully push out the clostridia.  So you could be seeing a reaction to either of those, too.  If you still see these behaviors after you drop the MB12 then here are the possibilities:1.  Die off.  Keep pushing through for another week or so and see if the behavior corrects itself.2.  If he's reactive to yeast, Sac B may be causing issues (rare but possible since Sac. B is a yeast and he may just be sensitive to it).3.  Not tolerating ProBio and need a new probiotic.4.  You need an antibiotic to deal with the clostridia.I'm sure others will post their thoughts, too. Cheryl~Visit my webstore for anything you need related to autism - groceries, supps, therapy supplies, books, and more!http://astore.amazon.com/grystai-20~Check out my blog:  http://www.gryffins-tail.blogspot.com/ I think my last post was too involved.  ****I just need to know if aggression & intense meltdowns are supposed to still be happening if we've started the MB12 nasal spray?****  Second day we tried it was his worst yet at school. (Yesterday.)  For the teachers, almost the whole day was spent having to remove him from class for blurting out negative statements, refusing to work, or actually melting down.  (He's eight, 3rd grade.)  But I wondered if we should definitely QUIT, or maybe just put it down to the fact that in the past 2 wks we started him on S. Boulardii for chlostridia & also Pro-Bio-Gold (for yeast?).  He's battling both now after 4 months of rotation (allergy) diet.  Then I read something on here last night abt activated charcoal or Epsom salt baths, but I also understand that we are NOT to add or take away anything from his protocol (for 5 wks) once we've started the MB12.  Third day of that today -- in a.m. before school, we gave him his squirt.  HELPPPPP!!!!  I need some help untangling my emotions from this whole deal.  I want to quit the MB12 b/c I'm afraid that he's going to get kicked out of school if things don't get better really fast.  We've really messed him up with SOMETHING over the past 4 months.  WHAT IS IT???Desperate for some answers,Mom to ------------------------------------

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You are asking for HELP. Aggression for autistics is usually due to elevated testosterone. I know what I am talking about. Have you ever checked his testosterone level? Does he appear or behave more mature than his age?

Check his testosterone level and treat. Suggest you listen to the Geiers:

http://www.autismmedia.org/media4.html

Contact me if needed.

Good luck.

Subject: aggression & meltdowns - HELPTo: mb12 valtrex Date: Wednesday, September 10, 2008, 10:29 AM

I think my last post was too involved. ****I just need to know if aggression & intense meltdowns are supposed to still be happening if we've started the MB12 nasal spray?**** Second day we tried it was his worst yet at school. (Yesterday.) For the teachers, almost the whole day was spent having to remove him from class for blurting out negative statements, refusing to work, or actually melting down. (He's eight, 3rd grade.) But I wondered if we should definitely QUIT, or maybe just put it down to the fact that in the past 2 wks we started him on S. Boulardii for chlostridia & also Pro-Bio-Gold (for yeast?). He's battling both now after 4 months of rotation (allergy) diet. Then I read something on here last night abt activated charcoal or Epsom salt baths, but I also understand that we are NOT to add or take away anything from his protocol (for 5 wks) once we've started the MB12.

Third day of that today -- in a.m. before school, we gave him his squirt. HELPPPPP!!!! I need some help untangling my emotions from this whole deal. I want to quit the MB12 b/c I'm afraid that he's going to get kicked out of school if things don't get better really fast. We've really messed him up with SOMETHING over the past 4 months. WHAT IS IT???Desperate for some answers,Mom to

[Guest guest]

Oh ... never thought of that. Without going into the whole story,

this matches my family situation. I appreciate your insight.

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> Subject: aggression & meltdowns - HELP

> To: mb12 valtrex

> Date: Wednesday, September 10, 2008, 10:29 AM

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>

>

>

> I think my last post was too involved. ****I just need to know if

> aggression & intense meltdowns are supposed to still be happening

if

> we've started the MB12 nasal spray?**** Second day we tried it was

> his worst yet at school. (Yesterday.) For the teachers, almost the

> whole day was spent having to remove him from class for blurting

out

> negative statements, refusing to work, or actually melting down.

> (He's eight, 3rd grade.)

>

> But I wondered if we should definitely QUIT, or maybe just put it

> down to the fact that in the past 2 wks we started him on S.

> Boulardii for chlostridia & also Pro-Bio-Gold (for yeast?). He's

> battling both now after 4 months of rotation (allergy) diet. Then I

> read something on here last night abt activated charcoal or Epsom

> salt baths, but I also understand that we are NOT to add or take

away

> anything from his protocol (for 5 wks) once we've started the MB12.

> Third day of that today -- in a.m. before school, we gave him his

> squirt.

>

> HELPPPPP!!!! I need some help untangling my emotions from this

whole

> deal. I want to quit the MB12 b/c I'm afraid that he's going to get

> kicked out of school if things don't get better really fast. We've

> really messed him up with SOMETHING over the past 4 months. WHAT IS

> IT???

>

> Desperate for some answers,

>

> Mom to

>

[Guest guest]

Using MB12 is primarily about trying to correct methylation issues.

Methylation can be damaged in a number of ways, which is why there is

not one size fits all when trying to address this problem. Common

things to address this problem are MB12, TMG or DMG along with folinic

or folic acid.

In the cases of MB12, TMG or DMG it often helps to be supplementing

taurine for a few weeks before introducing things like MB12, TMG or DMG

as it is very common for their to be an initial drop in taurine when

first introducing these methylation correction interventions. This can

cause problems.

Of course it can be other issues as well that may be causing your son's

reactions. But trying to get to the bottom of IF he has methylation

issues and just WHAT those methylation issues are might be worth

considering if you haven't already.

Oh and by the way.... one of the best ways to damage the bodies

methylation processes and cycles is to introduce mercury. And when

methylation is not working and SAMe is not doing its job methylating a

myriad of different things inside the body, including DNA and RNA, then

this will affect gene expression, and can even give you things like a

mitochondrial disorder. Sound familiar?

Anyone heard the chiken and the egg story?

Handley wrote:

Not all kids react well to or

benefit from mb12. We started my son on shots earlier this summer and

he had the worst summer of his life with aggression & intense

desctructive meltdowns as you describe. Not sure if it was caused by

mb12 but it was definitely NOT helped by it. We are still working on

behavioral ways to de-escalate his behaviors but it is an ongoing

challenge unrelated to mb12.

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aggression & meltdowns - HELP

I think my last post was too involved. ****I just need to know

if

aggression & intense meltdowns are supposed to still be happening

if

we've started the MB12 nasal spray?**** Second day we tried it was

his worst yet at school. (Yesterday.) For the teachers, almost the

whole day was spent having to remove him from class for blurting out

negative statements, refusing to work, or actually melting down.

(He's eight, 3rd grade.)

But I wondered if we should definitely QUIT, or maybe just put it

down to the fact that in the past 2 wks we started him on S.

Boulardii for chlostridia & also Pro-Bio-Gold (for yeast?). He's

battling both now after 4 months of rotation (allergy) diet. Then I

read something on here last night abt activated charcoal or Epsom

salt baths, but I also understand that we are NOT to add or take away

anything from his protocol (for 5 wks) once we've started the MB12.

Third day of that today -- in a.m. before school, we gave him his

squirt.

HELPPPPP!!!! I need some help untangling my emotions from this whole

deal. I want to quit the MB12 b/c I'm afraid that he's going to get

kicked out of school if things don't get better really fast. We've

really messed him up with SOMETHING over the past 4 months. WHAT IS

IT???

Desperate for some answers,

Mom to

[Guest guest]

Another theory (Yasko) is that some kids cannot handle too many

methyl groups and will do better on hydroxy B12.

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> Not all kids react well to or benefit from mb12. We started my son

on shots earlier this summer and he had the worst summer of his life

with aggression & intense desctructive meltdowns as you describe.

Not sure if it was caused by mb12 but it was definitely NOT helped by

it. We are still working on behavioral ways to de-escalate his

behaviors but it is an ongoing challenge unrelated to mb12.

>

>

> aggression & meltdowns - HELP

>

>

> I think my last post was too involved. ****I just need to know if

> aggression & intense meltdowns are supposed to still be happening

if

> we've started the MB12 nasal spray?**** Second day we tried it

was

> his worst yet at school. (Yesterday.) For the teachers, almost

the

> whole day was spent having to remove him from class for blurting

out

> negative statements, refusing to work, or actually melting down.

> (He's eight, 3rd grade.)

>

> But I wondered if we should definitely QUIT, or maybe just put it

> down to the fact that in the past 2 wks we started him on S.

> Boulardii for chlostridia & also Pro-Bio-Gold (for yeast?). He's

> battling both now after 4 months of rotation (allergy) diet. Then

I

> read something on here last night abt activated charcoal or Epsom

> salt baths, but I also understand that we are NOT to add or take

away

> anything from his protocol (for 5 wks) once we've started the

MB12.

> Third day of that today -- in a.m. before school, we gave him his

> squirt.

>

> HELPPPPP!!!! I need some help untangling my emotions from this

whole

> deal. I want to quit the MB12 b/c I'm afraid that he's going to

get

> kicked out of school if things don't get better really fast.

We've

> really messed him up with SOMETHING over the past 4 months. WHAT

IS

> IT???

>

> Desperate for some answers,

>

> Mom to

>

[Guest guest]

All of you have been very encouraging and informative, and I can't

thank you enough. Sometimes it just helps to feed on information

(instead of worry) while playing the " waiting game " . The good report

from today is that although he had some defiant moments at school,

SOME of the school day was still great! Even a specific comment from

one teacher about how he read out loud!

Then, he had a very unique & original conversation of sorts with me

after school. I think we're seeing something!!!! YEA!

Thanks to all, and we'll look into all options,

Mom to

> >

> > Not all kids react well to or benefit from mb12. We started my

son on

> > shots earlier this summer and he had the worst summer of his life

with

> > aggression & intense desctructive meltdowns as you describe. Not

sure

> > if it was caused by mb12 but it was definitely NOT helped by it.

We

> > are still working on behavioral ways to de-escalate his behaviors

but

> > it is an ongoing challenge unrelated to mb12.

> >

> >

> >

> > * aggression & meltdowns - HELP

> >

> > I think my last post was too involved. ****I just need to

know if

> > aggression & intense meltdowns are supposed to still be

happening if

> > we've started the MB12 nasal spray?**** Second day we tried

it was

> > his worst yet at school. (Yesterday.) For the teachers,

almost the

> > whole day was spent having to remove him from class for

blurting out

> > negative statements, refusing to work, or actually melting

down.

> > (He's eight, 3rd grade.)

> >

> > But I wondered if we should definitely QUIT, or maybe just

put it

> > down to the fact that in the past 2 wks we started him on S.

> > Boulardii for chlostridia & also Pro-Bio-Gold (for yeast?).

He's

> > battling both now after 4 months of rotation (allergy) diet.

Then I

> > read something on here last night abt activated charcoal or

Epsom

> > salt baths, but I also understand that we are NOT to add or

take away

> > anything from his protocol (for 5 wks) once we've started the

MB12.

> > Third day of that today -- in a.m. before school, we gave him

his

> > squirt.

> >

> > HELPPPPP!!!! I need some help untangling my emotions from

this whole

> > deal. I want to quit the MB12 b/c I'm afraid that he's going

to get

> > kicked out of school if things don't get better really fast.

We've

> > really messed him up with SOMETHING over the past 4 months.

WHAT IS

> > IT???

> >

> > Desperate for some answers,

> >

> > Mom to

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

All of you have been very encouraging and informative, and I can't

thank you enough. Sometimes it just helps to feed on information

(instead of worry) while playing the " waiting game " . The good report

from today is that although he had some defiant moments at school,

SOME of the school day was still great! Even a specific comment from

one teacher about how he read out loud!

Then, he had a very unique & original conversation of sorts with me

after school. I think we're seeing something!!!! YEA!

Thanks to all, and we'll look into all options,

Mom to

> >

> > Not all kids react well to or benefit from mb12. We started my

son on

> > shots earlier this summer and he had the worst summer of his life

with

> > aggression & intense desctructive meltdowns as you describe. Not

sure

> > if it was caused by mb12 but it was definitely NOT helped by it.

We

> > are still working on behavioral ways to de-escalate his behaviors

but

> > it is an ongoing challenge unrelated to mb12.

> >

> >

> >

> > * aggression & meltdowns - HELP

> >

> > I think my last post was too involved. ****I just need to

know if

> > aggression & intense meltdowns are supposed to still be

happening if

> > we've started the MB12 nasal spray?**** Second day we tried

it was

> > his worst yet at school. (Yesterday.) For the teachers,

almost the

> > whole day was spent having to remove him from class for

blurting out

> > negative statements, refusing to work, or actually melting

down.

> > (He's eight, 3rd grade.)

> >

> > But I wondered if we should definitely QUIT, or maybe just

put it

> > down to the fact that in the past 2 wks we started him on S.

> > Boulardii for chlostridia & also Pro-Bio-Gold (for yeast?).

He's

> > battling both now after 4 months of rotation (allergy) diet.

Then I

> > read something on here last night abt activated charcoal or

Epsom

> > salt baths, but I also understand that we are NOT to add or

take away

> > anything from his protocol (for 5 wks) once we've started the

MB12.

> > Third day of that today -- in a.m. before school, we gave him

his

> > squirt.

> >

> > HELPPPPP!!!! I need some help untangling my emotions from

this whole

> > deal. I want to quit the MB12 b/c I'm afraid that he's going

to get

> > kicked out of school if things don't get better really fast.

We've

> > really messed him up with SOMETHING over the past 4 months.

WHAT IS

> > IT???

> >

> > Desperate for some answers,

> >

> > Mom to

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Not all kids react well to or benefit from mb12. We started my son on shots earlier this summer and he had the worst summer of his life with aggression & intense desctructive meltdowns as you describe. Not sure if it was caused by mb12 but it was definitely NOT helped by it. We are still working on behavioral ways to de-escalate his behaviors but it is an ongoing challenge unrelated to mb12.

aggression & meltdowns - HELP

I think my last post was too involved. ****I just need to know if aggression & intense meltdowns are supposed to still be happening if we've started the MB12 nasal spray?**** Second day we tried it was his worst yet at school. (Yesterday.) For the teachers, almost the whole day was spent having to remove him from class for blurting out negative statements, refusing to work, or actually melting down. (He's eight, 3rd grade.) But I wondered if we should definitely QUIT, or maybe just put it down to the fact that in the past 2 wks we started him on S. Boulardii for chlostridia & also Pro-Bio-Gold (for yeast?). He's battling both now after 4 months of rotation (allergy) diet. Then I read something on here last night abt activated charcoal or Epsom salt baths, but I also understand that we are NOT to add or take away anything from his protocol (for 5 wks) once we've started the MB12. Third day of that today -- in a.m. before school, we gave him his squirt. HELPPPPP!!!! I need some help untangling my emotions from this whole deal. I want to quit the MB12 b/c I'm afraid that he's going to get kicked out of school if things don't get better really fast. We've really messed him up with SOMETHING over the past 4 months. WHAT IS IT???Desperate for some answers,Mom to

[Guest guest]

Great post . Thanks for sharing all that info. in layman's terms.

aggression & meltdowns - HELP

I think my last post was too involved. ****I just need to know if aggression & intense meltdowns are supposed to still be happening if we've started the MB12 nasal spray?**** Second day we tried it was his worst yet at school. (Yesterday.) For the teachers, almost the whole day was spent having to remove him from class for blurting out negative statements, refusing to work, or actually melting down. (He's eight, 3rd grade.) But I wondered if we should definitely QUIT, or maybe just put it down to the fact that in the past 2 wks we started him on S. Boulardii for chlostridia & also Pro-Bio-Gold (for yeast?). He's battling both now after 4 months of rotation (allergy) diet. Then I read something on here last night abt activated charcoal or Epsom salt baths, but I also understand that we are NOT to add or take away anything from his protocol (for 5 wks) once we've started the MB12. Third day of that today -- in a.m. before school, we gave him his squirt. HELPPPPP!!!! I need some help untangling my emotions from this whole deal. I want to quit the MB12 b/c I'm afraid that he's going to get kicked out of school if things don't get better really fast. We've really messed him up with SOMETHING over the past 4 months. WHAT IS IT???Desperate for some answers,Mom to