Re: Debbie and revisions

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Awww Jo, thank you for writing back. I was wondering if anybody was out there. I really appreciate your candor on some of the things one can expect, certainly is food for thought (wonder if this where that saying came from).

Anyway, I had my RNY in 3/02. I lost 175lbs, stayed at about 167lbs for 5 minutes before the weight started creeping back on. It's really been awful. You would think I did nothing but eat potato chips and bon bons all day to look at my weight and it kills me, because that's not the case. My metabolism is shot.

The DS was around when I was first researching 8 years ago but wasn't well known and considered extremely radical. There's so much more information on it today. Had I known then, what I know now, I never would have had the RNY.

I have issues with dumping syndrome. And I think the DS gets a bad wrap on smells, mine certainly are no bouquet of roses...I mean they're really awful. Even the dog will leave the room if I have to pass gas.

So it's been an adventure I'm looking forward to changing. I tried getting approval through insurance for the revision but was denied all the way to the DMHC so am self pay. I considered going to Brazil to see Marchesini who is a very nice many, but I don't want the modified BPD which he does. I can't think of anything worse, a modified BPD with a pouch.

So I'm waiting for to give me dates that Dr. K will be doing surgery at Glendale so I can start the countdown to a new life on the losers bench.

Debbie

To: DS_Friends_Keshishian Sent: Thu, December 3, 2009 7:03:35 AMSubject: Debbie and revisions

DebbieI'm an original DS surgery patient. I do know many RNY to DS revisioners done by Dr. K. Overwhelming the revisioners are happier with the DS. And in many, many cases the folks lose better than anticipated. Hopefully someone will check in and report to you.Life after your revision?The first couple months can be tough. Low, low, low energy. The need to stay close to a toilet. Loose, smelly stools...Rest, walk, sip and eventually things start to feel better and energy picks up. You can eat/chew your food normally. With time you will be able to eat a normal serving of food.White flour products, sugars, artificial sweeteners.. .can increase gas and loose stools. Eat too much fatty foods and you will get oil slicks. That's fine as long as it is in the toilet...but too much and you could possibly fart orange oil slicks. Or it can just ooze out.Find your personal balance (and it does change

the further out from surgery you get)...take your supplements (the calcium will help to bind you)...take probiotics (it will help balance your bowel after the antibiotics of surgery and it is being reported to help with weightloss).Tag...it's your turn. Tell us your personal RNY story and why you are seeking a revision. Obesity is a heck of a demon...it takes courage and inner strength to keep fighting!HugsJo> Thanks , really appreciate the feedback.> > Has anyone had an RNY to DS Revision with Dr. K? I think I've medically learned as much as I'm able to absorb. Would love to know more about life after surgery.> > Thanks,> Debbie

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Debbie

175 lbs lost with your RNY! That was fantastic! I can only imagine the horror

of watching the weight come back. It just goes to show how determined some

folks bodies are to be obese. Like I said...I admire your courage in not giving

up...even to the point of self paying. Slappin you some HIGH FIVES.

Well, soon enough you shouldn't have the dumping syndrome and the stinky Poo/gas

will be about the same. I've said the DS gets a bad rap on odors because we

have nothing else to bitch about! Rest assured...Dr. K has done tons of

revisions and he makes every effort to have you end up with a True DS.

The group isn't ignoring you...honest. The group (including me) has just been

sluggish here lately. So Post and Post and Post...get some life back into us!

Hugs

Jo

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Debbie,

I'm also not a revision, but I had surgery 11/08/01, so you can say I'm an old

timer I can say that it's different for everyone and it's definitely a

journey, but it's absolutely not a choice I regret. I don't drink sugars or

soda, but have more than enough of my own bad habits to kick myself in the rear

That being said, I consider myself a normal or average weight now, even

though like most American women, I'd love to lose about 20lbs or so and it's

something I need to work on. I can eat pretty much what I want and just avoid

certain foods like ones that have processed white flour or that's high in fat,

unless I'm willing to accept the bowel issues I have afterwards. I really do

want to lose those 20-30lbs since I don't want to be skinny, but it's a question

of whether I'm willing to change what I eat (or more when I eat) and be more

consistent with my exercise, etc, which to me, is perfectly normal. The DS is

what I consider to be the 'platinum standard' of weight loss surgery, both for

it's quality of life afterwards and the low percentage of weight regain over

time compared to other surgeries.

Just know that the group is here, if you have questions or want to share or need

answers, etc Some are more active than others, but there's usually always

people around

*hugs*

Anita in San

11/08/01 DS 327-> 197 (low 169 for about a day. Heh)

Size 28 -> Size 14/16

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> Debbie

>

> I'm an original DS surgery patient. I do know many RNY to DS revisioners done

by Dr. K. Overwhelming the revisioners are happier with the DS. And in many,

many cases the folks lose better than anticipated. Hopefully someone will check

in and report to you.

>

> Life after your revision?

>

> The first couple months can be tough. Low, low, low energy. The need to stay

close to a toilet. Loose, smelly stools...

>

> Rest, walk, sip and eventually things start to feel better and energy picks

up.

>

> You can eat/chew your food normally. With time you will be able to eat a

normal serving of food.

>

> White flour products, sugars, artificial sweeteners...can increase gas and

loose stools.

>

> Eat too much fatty foods and you will get oil slicks. That's fine as long as

it is in the toilet...but too much and you could possibly fart orange oil

slicks. Or it can just ooze out.

>

> Find your personal balance (and it does change the further out from surgery

you get)...take your supplements (the calcium will help to bind you)...take

probiotics (it will help balance your bowel after the antibiotics of surgery and

it is being reported to help with weightloss).

>

> Tag...it's your turn. Tell us your personal RNY story and why you are seeking

a revision. Obesity is a heck of a demon...it takes courage and inner strength

to keep fighting!

>

> Hugs

> Jo

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>

>

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> > Thanks , really appreciate the feedback.

> >

> > Has anyone had an RNY to DS Revision with Dr. K?  I think I've medically

learned as much as I'm able to absorb.  Would love to know more about life

after surgery.

> >

> > Thanks,

> > Debbie

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Anita,

We're almost neighbors, I live in San Ramon. Thanks so much for replying, it really helps. It's good to hear at 8 years out the surgery still works for you. I've been researching this for about a year and am ready for the change.

Does Dr. Keshishian give you a vitamin regimen or are your own for that?

Thanks,

Debbie

To: DS_Friends_Keshishian Sent: Thu, December 3, 2009 6:52:19 PMSubject: Re: Debbie and revisions

Debbie,I'm also not a revision, but I had surgery 11/08/01, so you can say I'm an old timer I can say that it's different for everyone and it's definitely a journey, but it's absolutely not a choice I regret. I don't drink sugars or soda, but have more than enough of my own bad habits to kick myself in the rear That being said, I consider myself a normal or average weight now, even though like most American women, I'd love to lose about 20lbs or so and it's something I need to work on. I can eat pretty much what I want and just avoid certain foods like ones that have processed white flour or that's high in fat, unless I'm willing to accept the bowel issues I have afterwards. I really do want to lose those 20-30lbs since I don't want to be skinny, but it's a question of whether I'm willing to change what I eat (or more when I eat) and be more consistent with my exercise, etc, which to me, is perfectly normal. The DS is what I consider to

be the 'platinum standard' of weight loss surgery, both for it's quality of life afterwards and the low percentage of weight regain over time compared to other surgeries.Just know that the group is here, if you have questions or want to share or need answers, etc Some are more active than others, but there's usually always people around *hugs*Anita in San 11/08/01 DS 327-> 197 (low 169 for about a day. Heh)Size 28 -> Size 14/16>> Debbie> > I'm an original DS surgery patient. I do know many RNY to DS revisioners done by Dr. K. Overwhelming the revisioners are happier with the DS. And in many, many cases the folks lose better than anticipated. Hopefully

someone will check in and report to you.> > Life after your revision?> > The first couple months can be tough. Low, low, low energy. The need to stay close to a toilet. Loose, smelly stools...> > Rest, walk, sip and eventually things start to feel better and energy picks up. > > You can eat/chew your food normally. With time you will be able to eat a normal serving of food.> > White flour products, sugars, artificial sweeteners.. .can increase gas and loose stools. > > Eat too much fatty foods and you will get oil slicks. That's fine as long as it is in the toilet...but too much and you could possibly fart orange oil slicks. Or it can just ooze out.> > Find your personal balance (and it does change the further out from surgery you get)...take your supplements (the calcium will help to bind you)...take probiotics (it will help balance your bowel after the

antibiotics of surgery and it is being reported to help with weightloss).> > Tag...it's your turn. Tell us your personal RNY story and why you are seeking a revision. Obesity is a heck of a demon...it takes courage and inner strength to keep fighting!> > Hugs> Jo> > > > > > > > Thanks , really appreciate the feedback.> > > > Has anyone had an RNY to DS Revision with Dr. K? I think I've medically learned as much as I'm able to absorb. Would love to know more about life after surgery.> > > > Thanks,> > Debbie>

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Wow Jo, I love your spirit you are amazing. I'm waiting to hear back from on dates Dr. K. is open in February. I can't wait to be on the losers bench with all of you!

To: DS_Friends_Keshishian Sent: Thu, December 3, 2009 6:48:34 PMSubject: Re: Debbie and revisions

Debbie175 lbs lost with your RNY! That was fantastic! I can only imagine the horror of watching the weight come back. It just goes to show how determined some folks bodies are to be obese. Like I said...I admire your courage in not giving up...even to the point of self paying. Slappin you some HIGH FIVES.Well, soon enough you shouldn't have the dumping syndrome and the stinky Poo/gas will be about the same. I've said the DS gets a bad rap on odors because we have nothing else to bitch about! Rest assured...Dr. K has done tons of revisions and he makes every effort to have you end up with a True DS.The group isn't ignoring you...honest. The group (including me) has just been sluggish here lately. So Post and Post and Post...get some life back into us!HugsJo

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Hi Debbie,

I think there's a standard recommendation in the beginning (it's kind of a vague

blur. Jo has a better memory than I do. Hee.) After that though, his

recommendations are based on your labwork, rather than some 'regimen', so it's

not just some blanket order as his goal is to address what you individually

need, not what others may or may not need.

*hugs*

Anita in San

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> > Debbie

> >

> > I'm an original DS surgery patient. I do know many RNY to DS revisioners

done by Dr. K. Overwhelming the revisioners are happier with the DS. And in

many, many cases the folks lose better than anticipated. Hopefully someone will

check in and report to you.

> >

> > Life after your revision?

> >

> > The first couple months can be tough. Low, low, low energy. The need to stay

close to a toilet. Loose, smelly stools...

> >

> > Rest, walk, sip and eventually things start to feel better and energy picks

up.

> >

> > You can eat/chew your food normally. With time you will be able to eat a

normal serving of food.

> >

> > White flour products, sugars, artificial sweeteners.. .can increase gas and

loose stools.

> >

> > Eat too much fatty foods and you will get oil slicks. That's fine as long as

it is in the toilet...but too much and you could possibly fart orange oil

slicks. Or it can just ooze out.

> >

> > Find your personal balance (and it does change the further out from surgery

you get)...take your supplements (the calcium will help to bind you)...take

probiotics (it will help balance your bowel after the antibiotics of surgery and

it is being reported to help with weightloss).

> >

> > Tag...it's your turn. Tell us your personal RNY story and why you are

seeking a revision. Obesity is a heck of a demon...it takes courage and inner

strength to keep fighting!

> >

> > Hugs

> > Jo

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > > Thanks , really appreciate the feedback.

> > >

> > > Has anyone had an RNY to DS Revision with Dr. K?  I think I've

medically learned as much as I'm able to absorb..  Would love to know more

about life after surgery.

> > >

> > > Thanks,

> > > Debbie

> >

>

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Debbie:

The following is what Dr. K's workbook says:

Vitamins: One general multivitamin (any brand) and at least 1500mg of Calcium every day for the rest of your life. You do not want to deplete your vitamin or mineral stores and especially Calcium. Please read the additional information on vitamin and minerals provided on Pages 35-40 of this workbook. Immediately post op your surgeon may have you take a children's chewable vitamin until you can tolerate a regular general multivitamin. Taking your vitamins and calcium is important in keeping your body andbones healthy and strong. If you do not take your calcium you may develop bonedensity loss.

As you can see, Vitamin advise is minimal and not specific as to brands and such. It would be nice if he would just hand you a box and say "take this". So as a result...we all take different kinds, and different amounts of stuff. As you go along and have labs Dr. K will Add things. He might say take 3000 mg. of calcium and 5000 ui's of vitamin D. (just a random example)...but again...no specific brands unless he writes you a prescription.

Being a RNYer you may already need higher doses than the generic amounts in the workbook.

Personally...I'm much more agressive in my vitamin regime than what Dr. K has ever recommended.

Hugs

Jo

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duhhh, Jo. I should have looked in the workbook, what was I thinking. I had my RNY in 2002, I haven't taken anything for the past 3 years and my labs are perfect. I wonder if the guy really did an RNY...jeez. Anyway, I'm committed to doing the right thing with the DS. Vitalady on OH has this looonng list of recommended supplements, it's like a meal in itself. I'll start with Dr. K's recommendations and go from there, then wait for my first set of labs.

To: DS_Friends_Keshishian Sent: Mon, December 7, 2009 1:27:49 AMSubject: Re: Debbie and revisions

Debbie:

The following is what Dr. K's workbook says:

Vitamins: One general multivitamin (any brand) and at least 1500mg of Calcium every day for the rest of your life. You do not want to deplete your vitamin or mineral stores and especially Calcium. Please read the additional information on vitamin and minerals provided on Pages 35-40 of this workbook. Immediately post op your surgeon may have you take a children's chewable vitamin until you can tolerate a regular general multivitamin. Taking your vitamins and calcium is important in keeping your body andbones healthy and strong. If you do not take your calcium you may develop bonedensity loss.

As you can see, Vitamin advise is minimal and not specific as to brands and such. It would be nice if he would just hand you a box and say "take this". So as a result...we all take different kinds, and different amounts of stuff. As you go along and have labs Dr. K will Add things. He might say take 3000 mg. of calcium and 5000 ui's of vitamin D. (just a random example)...but again...no specific brands unless he writes you a prescription..

Being a RNYer you may already need higher doses than the generic amounts in the workbook.

Personally.. .I'm much more agressive in my vitamin regime than what Dr. K has ever recommended.

Hugs

Jo