Guest guest Posted February 14, 2012 Report Share Posted February 14, 2012 Hi Gladys: Here's the link to the DSM and the proposed changes for Autism Spectrum Disorder for the new one being published in 2013. If you look at the tabs, you'll also see one called " DSM IV " and that will give you the current info too. http://www.dsm5.org/ProposedRevisions/Pages/proposedrevision.aspx?rid=94 Here's the page for PDD-NOS too, again look for the DSM IV tab for the current info: http://www.dsm5.org/ProposedRevisions/Pages/proposedrevision.aspx?rid=98 Info on PDD-NOS http://www.autismspeaks.org/what-autism/pdd-nos http://www.psychiatry.emory.edu/PROGRAMS/autism/pdd.html My understanding is that Autism, Asperger's Disorder, PDD-NOS, etc are all classified currently as Pervasive Development Disorders. When they republish, all will be subsumed/classified as Autism Spectrum Disorders. I thought I read that sometimes higher functioning kids get labeled " PDD-NOS " when they are still too young to be dxed as " Asperger's " but I might be wrong. This will all change with the DSM 5 anyway... Some state programs only offer services if a child is diagnosed with Autism (for example medicaid) and not Asperger's while others acknowledge all. With regards to eligibility in the school system, a child could receive services under the label " autism " without an official diagnosis. It's all supposed to be based on the individual needs of the child. Unfortunately, it really varies state by state and district by district... > > Hi All, > > So after over a year of trying to get doctors to help us understand our now 3 year old (almost 4) son, we had a psychiatrist diagnose him today with PDD- NOS. I am still very confused as to whether this DX is considered Autism? > > I ask because I re-opened my son's case from our local regional center at the advice of the school nurse when we were going thru the IEP process. > > The regional center just called me last week after receiving the school's assessments, reports & IEP. He qualified for special Ed services under " autistic-like " characteristics. > > The regional center case worker told me she would conduct an intake interview on March 5th and the regional center's psychologists will assess him in April to see if he has autism. She stated the only way the regional center would accept him now that he's over 3, is if he is diagnosed with autism. > > If anyone can direct me to where I can get reliable information on the differences or similarities of autism & PDD- NOS? Is the DSM IV online? I have been trying to wrap my head around all this for over a year & there seems to be " secret " info doctors or organizations know but won't volunteer that info due to budgets or whatever other red tape. > Thank you all in advance for any advice! > > Gladys > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 14, 2012 Report Share Posted February 14, 2012 I forgot to add that my son was finally just dxed with Asperger's and he's 5 1/2. We've been trying to figure it all out since he was 3 and I think that happens frequently when kids don't have " classic " symptoms. Hang in there and keep asking questions :-) > > > > Hi All, > > > > So after over a year of trying to get doctors to help us understand our now 3 year old (almost 4) son, we had a psychiatrist diagnose him today with PDD- NOS. I am still very confused as to whether this DX is considered Autism? > > > > I ask because I re-opened my son's case from our local regional center at the advice of the school nurse when we were going thru the IEP process. > > > > The regional center just called me last week after receiving the school's assessments, reports & IEP. He qualified for special Ed services under " autistic-like " characteristics. > > > > The regional center case worker told me she would conduct an intake interview on March 5th and the regional center's psychologists will assess him in April to see if he has autism. She stated the only way the regional center would accept him now that he's over 3, is if he is diagnosed with autism. > > > > If anyone can direct me to where I can get reliable information on the differences or similarities of autism & PDD- NOS? Is the DSM IV online? I have been trying to wrap my head around all this for over a year & there seems to be " secret " info doctors or organizations know but won't volunteer that info due to budgets or whatever other red tape. > > Thank you all in advance for any advice! > > > > Gladys > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 14, 2012 Report Share Posted February 14, 2012 Thank you very much ! I'll look into the links. That was very kind of you to do that. I see what you mean about diagnosis taking time especially if they are young & don't have "classic" symptoms. I'm glad you were finally able to get the correct diagnosis for your son. It does take a lot of persistence & research. Thanks again!Gladys I forgot to add that my son was finally just dxed with Asperger's and he's 5 1/2. We've been trying to figure it all out since he was 3 and I think that happens frequently when kids don't have "classic" symptoms. Hang in there and keep asking questions :-) > > > > Hi All, > > > > So after over a year of trying to get doctors to help us understand our now 3 year old (almost 4) son, we had a psychiatrist diagnose him today with PDD- NOS. I am still very confused as to whether this DX is considered Autism? > > > > I ask because I re-opened my son's case from our local regional center at the advice of the school nurse when we were going thru the IEP process. > > > > The regional center just called me last week after receiving the school's assessments, reports & IEP. He qualified for special Ed services under "autistic-like" characteristics. > > > > The regional center case worker told me she would conduct an intake interview on March 5th and the regional center's psychologists will assess him in April to see if he has autism. She stated the only way the regional center would accept him now that he's over 3, is if he is diagnosed with autism. > > > > If anyone can direct me to where I can get reliable information on the differences or similarities of autism & PDD- NOS? Is the DSM IV online? I have been trying to wrap my head around all this for over a year & there seems to be "secret" info doctors or organizations know but won't volunteer that info due to budgets or whatever other red tape. > > Thank you all in advance for any advice! > > > > Gladys > > > = Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 14, 2012 Report Share Posted February 14, 2012 I am not sure I like the reference to 'brain damage'. No, I am sure I don't like it. I do have brain damage from an injury, but I don't see aspergers as 'brain damage'. More a case of different organisation. Or perhaps different wiring. I would agree that drugs don't cure aspergers. In fact, I doubt drugs cure much at all. But they are useful for controlling symptoms. My son is on concerta for add. My doctor decided to take the slower route of diet and vitamins. I envy my son because he is getting results much more quickly. I see tiny improvements after 4 weeks, but nowhere near what he gets within an hour of taking concerta. Yes, over time the results for me should be as good, if not better, and more permanent. But, looking at it from both inside as someone struggling with ADD and Aspergers, and outside as the father of a son with both, sometimes I just want results, and I want them now. So I don't believe we should dismiss drugs as ineffective, we just need to be realistic in our expectations of what they can do, and also of their limitations.  The DSM has no real meaning today with regard to virtually all "mental" problems.� It keeps getting added to in the effort to get doctors paid for what they do by insurance.� Diagnosis for most mental problems is impossible since there are no "real" tests available as in physical problems where we can measure blood and urine and even hair.� We can't measure brain cells, or thoughts.� The traditional measurements are word tests like the MMPA, and many others, but they are only good to a small extent, and depend on too many factors to be anything but "maybe".� So, to measure ADD or Autism, there are some older tests that are somewhat useful - free versions are found at: http://drbate.com/content/ testing_diagnostics.shtml There's a further problem.� The ADD/ADHD symptoms are virtually always part of Aspergers, and there is no clear division between.� The line is whether there is brain damage or not. and we have no definitive tests to determine this.� Then, how much damage has been done by mercury or other toxic minerals, or physical damage is impossible to determine with any accuracy.� Add to that the INDIVIDUALITY of each affected person, and it is literally impossible to diagnose with any accuracy just where the child is.� The doctors have to "guess", and they really don't know, but no doctor can admit that. All of the above is further complicated by the insurance rules, and so to get paid for doling work, the DSM was invented, and keeps growing.� Realize that few MD's have any real training about autism or ADD/ADHD in Med School, and little or no training in anything except drugs.� And it is now known that drugs do not cure these.� The problem is mostly toxicity from mercury, aluminum, lead, etc.� It doesn't show up in blood, urine or hair in autism patients.� The liver filters out these toxins and stores them unless it is overloaded.� But it releases these IF, AND ONLY IF, there is a chemical in the blood ;that can combine with such metals ;and take it out of the body.� The two "natural" chemicals are ascorbic acid vitamin C, and glutathione.� If these are not in the blood, then any measurement gives a "false negative", because the liver can't release them back into the blood.� (This has been Big Pharma's� legal defense, but now the facts are becoming known to defense lawyers, and the government is paying out millions (or maybe billions) in compensation secretly. The curve of mercury pollution in our culture matches very closely the rise of autism (all forms) in our culture - coincidence"� I think not.� Vaccines containing either mercury or aluminum are a major cause of autism coupled with too much mercury in the mother during pregnancy.� Big Pharma has consistently lied about mercury being "out" in drugs.� Vaccines still contain it.� So, from the above, it is thought by most persons that there is "NO CURE" for all forms of autism.� This is simply not true.� The former Pfeiffer Clinic in Chicago literally cured hundreds of cases of autism, and those children are now doing well as adults or near adults. There is a similar inexpensive set of therapies that duplicates the Pfeiffer therapies, but is done at home, thus affordable for mid and low income families.� An article describing these four therapies is downloadable free at: �http://drbate.com/content/integrated.shtml No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.1913 / Virus Database: 2112/4809 - Release Date: 02/14/12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 14, 2012 Report Share Posted February 14, 2012 Brain Damage? You have got to be kidding me to use that language! Have you ever loved a kid with ADD, ADHD, or on the spectrum? If not, then your medical degree alone can't make you an expert on our kids.Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerrySender: autism-aspergers Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2012 08:54:18 -0500To: <autism-aspergers >ReplyTo: autism-aspergers Subject: PDD-NOS The DSM has no real meaning today with regard to virtually all " mental " problems. It keeps getting added to in the effort to get doctors paid for what they do by insurance. Diagnosis for most mental problems is impossible since there are no " real " tests available as in physical problems where we can measure blood and urine and even hair. We can't measure brain cells, or thoughts. The traditional measurements are word tests like the MMPA, and many others, but they are only good to a small extent, and depend on too manyfactors to be anything but " maybe " . So, to measure ADD or Autism, there are some older tests that are somewhat useful - free versions are found at:http://drbate.com/content/testing_diagnostics.shtmlThere'sa further problem. The ADD/ADHD symptoms are virtually always part of Aspergers, and there is no clear division between. The line is whether there is brain damage or not. and we have no definitive tests to determine this. Then, how much damage has been done by mercury or othertoxic minerals, or physical damage is impossible to determine with any accuracy. Add to that the INDIVIDUALITY of each affected person, and itis literally impossible to diagnose with any accuracy just where the child is. The doctors have to " guess " , and they really don't know, but no doctor can admit that. All of the above is further complicated by the insurance rules, and so to get paid for doling work, the DSM was invented, and keeps growing. Realize that few MD's have any real training about autism or ADD/ADHD in Med School, and little or no training in anything except drugs. And it is now known that drugs do not cure these. The problem is mostly toxicity from mercury, aluminum, lead, etc. It doesn't show up in blood, urine or hair in autism patients. The liver filters out these toxins and stores them unless it is overloaded. But it releases these IF, AND ONLY IF, there is a chemical in the blood;that can combine with such metals ;and take it out of the body. The two " natural " chemicals are ascorbic acid vitamin C, and glutathione. If these are not in the blood, then any measurement gives a " false negative " , because the liver can't release them back into the blood. (This has been Big Pharma's legal defense, but now the facts are becoming known to defense lawyers, and the government is paying out millions (or maybe billions) in compensation secretly.The curve of mercury pollution in our culture matches very closely the rise of autism (all forms) in our culture - coincidence " I think not. Vaccines containing either mercury or aluminum are a major cause of autism coupled with too much mercury in the mother during pregnancy. Big Pharma has consistently lied about mercury being " out " in drugs. Vaccines still contain it. So, from the above, it is thought by most persons that there is " NO CURE " for all forms of autism. This is simply not true. The former Pfeiffer Clinic in Chicago literally cured hundreds of cases of autism, and those children are now doing well as adults or near adults. There is a similar inexpensive set of therapies that duplicates the Pfeiffer therapies, but is done at home, thus affordable for mid and lowincome families. An article describing these four therapies is downloadable free at: http://drbate.com/content/integrated.shtml Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 15, 2012 Report Share Posted February 15, 2012 Hi Carly, try not to let his posts upset you - it obvious he doesn't read any of the replies. :-/ > > Brain Damage? You have got to be kidding me to use that language! Have you ever loved a kid with ADD, ADHD, or on the spectrum? If not, then your medical degree alone can't make you an expert on our kids. > Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry > > PDD-NOS > > The DSM has no real meaning today with regard to virtually all " mental " > problems. It keeps getting added to in the effort to get doctors paid for > what they do by insurance. Diagnosis for most mental problems is > impossible since there are no " real " tests available as in physical > problems where we can measure blood and urine and even hair. We can't > measure brain cells, or thoughts. > > The traditional measurements are word tests like the MMPA, and many others, > but they are only good to a small extent, and depend on too many factors to > be anything but " maybe " . So, to measure ADD or Autism, there are some > older tests that are somewhat useful - free versions are found at: > http://drbate.com/content/ > testing_diagnostics.shtml > > There's a further problem. The ADD/ADHD symptoms are virtually always part > of Aspergers, and there is no clear division between. The line is whether > there is brain damage or not. and we have no definitive tests to determine > this. Then, how much damage has been done by mercury or other toxic > minerals, or physical damage is impossible to determine with any accuracy. > Add to that the INDIVIDUALITY of each affected person, and it is literally > impossible to diagnose with any accuracy just where the child is. The > doctors have to " guess " , and they really don't know, but no doctor can > admit that. > > All of the above is further complicated by the insurance rules, and so to > get paid for doling work, the DSM was invented, and keeps growing. Realize > that few MD's have any real training about autism or ADD/ADHD in Med > School, and little or no training in anything except drugs. And it is now > known that drugs do not cure these. > > The problem is mostly toxicity from mercury, aluminum, lead, etc. It > doesn't show up in blood, urine or hair in autism patients. The liver > filters out these toxins and stores them unless it is overloaded. But it > releases these IF, AND ONLY IF, there is a chemical in the blood ;that can > combine with such metals ;and take it out of the body. The two " natural " > chemicals are ascorbic acid vitamin C, and glutathione. If these are not > in the blood, then any measurement gives a " false negative " , because the > liver can't release them back into the blood. (This has been Big Pharma's > legal defense, but now the facts are becoming known to defense lawyers, and > the government is paying out millions (or maybe billions) in compensation > secretly. > > The curve of mercury pollution in our culture matches very closely the rise > of autism (all forms) in our culture - coincidence " I think not. Vaccines > containing either mercury or aluminum are a major cause of autism coupled > with too much mercury in the mother during pregnancy. Big Pharma has > consistently lied about mercury being " out " in drugs. Vaccines still > contain it. > > So, from the above, it is thought by most persons that there is " NO CURE " > for all forms of autism. This is simply not true. The former Pfeiffer > Clinic in Chicago literally cured hundreds of cases of autism, and those > children are now doing well as adults or near adults. > > There is a similar inexpensive set of therapies that duplicates the > Pfeiffer therapies, but is done at home, thus affordable for mid and low > income families. An article describing these four therapies is > downloadable free at: > http://drbate.com/content/integrated.shtml > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 15, 2012 Report Share Posted February 15, 2012 ,you are totally right, thank you for the reminder! I have been having such a hard time keeping focused on what is really important these past few days I let the wrong things distract me. ~Carly (Sammy, age 9, ADHD, Asperger's, Minnesota) To: autism-aspergers Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2012 6:29 PM Subject: Re: PDD-NOS Hi Carly, try not to let his posts upset you - it obvious he doesn't read any of the replies. :-/ > > Brain Damage? You have got to be kidding me to use that language! Have you ever loved a kid with ADD, ADHD, or on the spectrum? If not, then your medical degree alone can't make you an expert on our kids. > Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry > > PDD-NOS > > The DSM has no real meaning today with regard to virtually all "mental" > problems. It keeps getting added to in the effort to get doctors paid for > what they do by insurance. Diagnosis for most mental problems is > impossible since there are no "real" tests available as in physical > problems where we can measure blood and urine and even hair. We can't > measure brain cells, or thoughts. > > The traditional measurements are word tests like the MMPA, and many others, > but they are only good to a small extent, and depend on too many factors to > be anything but "maybe". So, to measure ADD or Autism, there are some > older tests that are somewhat useful - free versions are found at: > http://drbate.com/content/ > testing_diagnostics.shtml > > There's a further problem. The ADD/ADHD symptoms are virtually always part > of Aspergers, and there is no clear division between. The line is whether > there is brain damage or not. and we have no definitive tests to determine > this. Then, how much damage has been done by mercury or other toxic > minerals, or physical damage is impossible to determine with any accuracy. > Add to that the INDIVIDUALITY of each affected person, and it is literally > impossible to diagnose with any accuracy just where the child is. The > doctors have to "guess", and they really don't know, but no doctor can > admit that. > > All of the above is further complicated by the insurance rules, and so to > get paid for doling work, the DSM was invented, and keeps growing. Realize > that few MD's have any real training about autism or ADD/ADHD in Med > School, and little or no training in anything except drugs. And it is now > known that drugs do not cure these. > > The problem is mostly toxicity from mercury, aluminum, lead, etc. It > doesn't show up in blood, urine or hair in autism patients. The liver > filters out these toxins and stores them unless it is overloaded. But it > releases these IF, AND ONLY IF, there is a chemical in the blood ;that can > combine with such metals ;and take it out of the body. The two "natural" > chemicals are ascorbic acid vitamin C, and glutathione. If these are not > in the blood, then any measurement gives a "false negative", because the > liver can't release them back into the blood. (This has been Big Pharma's > legal defense, but now the facts are becoming known to defense lawyers, and > the government is paying out millions (or maybe billions) in compensation > secretly. > > The curve of mercury pollution in our culture matches very closely the rise > of autism (all forms) in our culture - coincidence" I think not. Vaccines > containing either mercury or aluminum are a major cause of autism coupled > with too much mercury in the mother during pregnancy. Big Pharma has > consistently lied about mercury being "out" in drugs. Vaccines still > contain it. > > So, from the above, it is thought by most persons that there is "NO CURE" > for all forms of autism. This is simply not true. The former Pfeiffer > Clinic in Chicago literally cured hundreds of cases of autism, and those > children are now doing well as adults or near adults. > > There is a similar inexpensive set of therapies that duplicates the > Pfeiffer therapies, but is done at home, thus affordable for mid and low > income families. An article describing these four therapies is > downloadable free at: > http://drbate.com/content/integrated.shtml > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 15, 2012 Report Share Posted February 15, 2012 I think Phil's post makes a lot of sense. I don't think we need to be so sensitive. Many of us discuss neurological issues, which is pretty much the same thing as saying brain damage. I really do think Phil's posts are trying to educate others -- not offend. I love my child who is on the spectrum, but I also know he has neurological disfunctions. It doesn't mean I don't love him, or give up on trying to help. I'm just honest with myself. My son has made huge strides by therapies and is a wonderfully bright and smart little boy, but he has asperges and the poor coordination that comes along with it. We work on these areas, and he knows they are weaknesses, but joyfully overcomes so much. Because of his great determination, he has learned to play basketball and be pretty good at it. Just because I admit there's neurological damage does not mean that I do not love him. I love him all the more! I know it's hard sometimes, because we all have our daily frustrations, but I think a group like this works better if we don't assume someone's intent is bad just because you don't agree with them. All the best,Lora To: autism-aspergers From: lauren.hassell@...Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2012 00:29:49 +0000Subject: Re: PDD-NOS Hi Carly, try not to let his posts upset you - it obvious he doesn't read any of the replies. :-/ > > Brain Damage? You have got to be kidding me to use that language! Have you ever loved a kid with ADD, ADHD, or on the spectrum? If not, then your medical degree alone can't make you an expert on our kids. > Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry > > PDD-NOS > > The DSM has no real meaning today with regard to virtually all "mental" > problems. It keeps getting added to in the effort to get doctors paid for > what they do by insurance. Diagnosis for most mental problems is > impossible since there are no "real" tests available as in physical > problems where we can measure blood and urine and even hair. We can't > measure brain cells, or thoughts. > > The traditional measurements are word tests like the MMPA, and many others, > but they are only good to a small extent, and depend on too many factors to > be anything but "maybe". So, to measure ADD or Autism, there are some > older tests that are somewhat useful - free versions are found at: > http://drbate.com/content/ > testing_diagnostics.shtml > > There's a further problem. The ADD/ADHD symptoms are virtually always part > of Aspergers, and there is no clear division between. The line is whether > there is brain damage or not. and we have no definitive tests to determine > this. Then, how much damage has been done by mercury or other toxic > minerals, or physical damage is impossible to determine with any accuracy. > Add to that the INDIVIDUALITY of each affected person, and it is literally > impossible to diagnose with any accuracy just where the child is. The > doctors have to "guess", and they really don't know, but no doctor can > admit that. > > All of the above is further complicated by the insurance rules, and so to > get paid for doling work, the DSM was invented, and keeps growing. Realize > that few MD's have any real training about autism or ADD/ADHD in Med > School, and little or no training in anything except drugs. And it is now > known that drugs do not cure these. > > The problem is mostly toxicity from mercury, aluminum, lead, etc. It > doesn't show up in blood, urine or hair in autism patients. The liver > filters out these toxins and stores them unless it is overloaded. But it > releases these IF, AND ONLY IF, there is a chemical in the blood ;that can > combine with such metals ;and take it out of the body. The two "natural" > chemicals are ascorbic acid vitamin C, and glutathione. If these are not > in the blood, then any measurement gives a "false negative", because the > liver can't release them back into the blood. (This has been Big Pharma's > legal defense, but now the facts are becoming known to defense lawyers, and > the government is paying out millions (or maybe billions) in compensation > secretly. > > The curve of mercury pollution in our culture matches very closely the rise > of autism (all forms) in our culture - coincidence" I think not. Vaccines > containing either mercury or aluminum are a major cause of autism coupled > with too much mercury in the mother during pregnancy. Big Pharma has > consistently lied about mercury being "out" in drugs. Vaccines still > contain it. > > So, from the above, it is thought by most persons that there is "NO CURE" > for all forms of autism. This is simply not true. The former Pfeiffer > Clinic in Chicago literally cured hundreds of cases of autism, and those > children are now doing well as adults or near adults. > > There is a similar inexpensive set of therapies that duplicates the > Pfeiffer therapies, but is done at home, thus affordable for mid and low > income families. An article describing these four therapies is > downloadable free at: > http://drbate.com/content/integrated.shtml > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 15, 2012 Report Share Posted February 15, 2012 Actually, neurological issues are not anywhere close to the same thing as brain damage. Such issues can certainly result from brain damage, but they can also result from a wide array of things that are in no way connected to actual damage of the brain. My daughter is on the spectrum, has had numerous MRIs, CT scans, etc. and there is no evidence of any damage anywhere. Similarly, I have fibromyalgia, which includes many neurological issues. Again, no evidence of brain damage in any of my scans. Put quite simply, the two things are not synonymous and should never be treated as such. To claim otherwise is flat-out wrong. is right that it is not worth anyone's time or energy to worry about what Phil (because as a doctoral candidate myself, I simply refuse to call him Dr.) says. He has absolutely no interest in reading or replying to a single comment anyone here makes. He has proven this time and time again and we are well past having to assume ill intent on his behalf. Those who have paid attention to his track record know it. And let's be clear -- he is not, in any way, trying to educate anyone (which, of course, would require that he first educate himself). His sole objective in posting here is to make money. He will try like crazy to sell his snake oil to any unsuspecting and desperate person he can find. And it is up to those of us who recognize him for what he is to point it out to others who don't yet know or haven't yet caught on. I think Phil's post makes a lot of sense. I don't think we need to be so sensitive. Many of us discuss neurological issues, which is pretty much the same thing as saying brain damage. I really do think Phil's posts are trying to educate others -- not offend. I love my child who is on the spectrum, but I also know he has neurological disfunctions. It doesn't mean I don't love him, or give up on trying to help. I'm just honest with myself. My son has made huge strides by therapies and is a wonderfully bright and smart little boy, but he has asperges and the poor coordination that comes along with it. We work on these areas, and he knows they are weaknesses, but joyfully overcomes so much. Because of his great determination, he has learned to play basketball and be pretty good at it. Just because I admit there's neurological damage does not mean that I do not love him. I love him all the more! I know it's hard sometimes, because we all have our daily frustrations, but I think a group like this works better if we don't assume someone's intent is bad just because you don't agree with them. All the best,Lora To: autism-aspergers From: lauren.hassell@... Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2012 00:29:49 +0000Subject: Re: PDD-NOS Hi Carly, try not to let his posts upset you - it obvious he doesn't read any of the replies. :-/ > > Brain Damage? You have got to be kidding me to use that language! Have you ever loved a kid with ADD, ADHD, or on the spectrum? If not, then your medical degree alone can't make you an expert on our kids. > Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry > > PDD-NOS > > The DSM has no real meaning today with regard to virtually all " mental " > problems. It keeps getting added to in the effort to get doctors paid for > what they do by insurance. Diagnosis for most mental problems is > impossible since there are no " real " tests available as in physical > problems where we can measure blood and urine and even hair. We can't > measure brain cells, or thoughts. > > The traditional measurements are word tests like the MMPA, and many others, > but they are only good to a small extent, and depend on too many factors to > be anything but " maybe " . So, to measure ADD or Autism, there are some > older tests that are somewhat useful - free versions are found at: > http://drbate.com/content/ > testing_diagnostics.shtml > > There's a further problem. The ADD/ADHD symptoms are virtually always part > of Aspergers, and there is no clear division between. The line is whether > there is brain damage or not. and we have no definitive tests to determine > this. Then, how much damage has been done by mercury or other toxic > minerals, or physical damage is impossible to determine with any accuracy. > Add to that the INDIVIDUALITY of each affected person, and it is literally > impossible to diagnose with any accuracy just where the child is. The > doctors have to " guess " , and they really don't know, but no doctor can > admit that. > > All of the above is further complicated by the insurance rules, and so to > get paid for doling work, the DSM was invented, and keeps growing. Realize > that few MD's have any real training about autism or ADD/ADHD in Med > School, and little or no training in anything except drugs. And it is now > known that drugs do not cure these. > > The problem is mostly toxicity from mercury, aluminum, lead, etc. It > doesn't show up in blood, urine or hair in autism patients. The liver > filters out these toxins and stores them unless it is overloaded. But it > releases these IF, AND ONLY IF, there is a chemical in the blood ;that can > combine with such metals ;and take it out of the body. The two " natural " > chemicals are ascorbic acid vitamin C, and glutathione. If these are not > in the blood, then any measurement gives a " false negative " , because the > liver can't release them back into the blood. (This has been Big Pharma's > legal defense, but now the facts are becoming known to defense lawyers, and > the government is paying out millions (or maybe billions) in compensation > secretly. > > The curve of mercury pollution in our culture matches very closely the rise > of autism (all forms) in our culture - coincidence " I think not. Vaccines > containing either mercury or aluminum are a major cause of autism coupled > with too much mercury in the mother during pregnancy. Big Pharma has > consistently lied about mercury being " out " in drugs. Vaccines still > contain it. > > So, from the above, it is thought by most persons that there is " NO CURE " > for all forms of autism. This is simply not true. The former Pfeiffer > Clinic in Chicago literally cured hundreds of cases of autism, and those > children are now doing well as adults or near adults. > > There is a similar inexpensive set of therapies that duplicates the > Pfeiffer therapies, but is done at home, thus affordable for mid and low > income families. An article describing these four therapies is > downloadable free at: > http://drbate.com/content/integrated.shtml > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 15, 2012 Report Share Posted February 15, 2012 I have to admit, I got sucked into Dr. Bate's site after his first email that I remember being posted to the group a month or so ago. I bought the CD and some supplements to try. My little guy is REALLY texture sensitive and does not swallow pills. I tried a few iterations of various smoothies or other concoctions but I could not get him to take the supplements. I've been playing the CD nonstop in his room, so he listens to it all night. He's been listening to " sounds " (white noise) since he was an infant, so it was an easy switch and he didn't even notice that it was different than what he listened to before. Since starting the CD about three weeks ago, I really think that Hayden's behavior has improved. We try to only medicate Hayden during the week for school. On the weekends, off meds, I think he's been better. He's still pretty wild and loud, but he listens and can stop when asked better than he used to be able to, plus, even though he's still loud, there isn't as much physical impulse control issues. During the week in the evening, he's significantly better. Usually, the meds have worn off and he's just as wild as he would be during the weekends. But lately he's almost like he's lightly medicated. He obeys, he's quiet, and the evenings are very pleasant. The CD is the only thing we've changed during this time. Other than him spontaneously getting more mature/controlled on his own, I really don't have any other explanation. I hope he continues to improve. It makes me really want to try to figure out how to get the supplements in him. I agree, however, that Dr. Bates comes off as a snake oil salesman and his emails are offensive (e.g. brain damage). But that doesn't necessarily mean that his ideas are wrong. If nothing else, here's a chance for him to respond to my positive review of his CD. A test if you will to see if he reads anything. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 15, 2012 Report Share Posted February 15, 2012 Dr Bates' ideas are certainly not unique to him. There are very good researchers into ADHD and ASD who would agree with him. If he simply replied to posts, with his website as a tagline at the end, it would not put people off as much. I haven't trried his CDs, although I've been tempted, but my doctor has me on similar supplements to the ones Dr Bates recommends. So far they seem to be helping. The cost (about $300/month) does not help my bank balance, but that is fairly typical of any program for ASD or ADHD. I agree the information could be better presented, but it is still useful information, so try to look beyond the surface and the 'pushing' of his CDs. As he explained in another post, the CDs are the only thing he sells - the rest is just free information. I can't see him getting rich from this group simply from that. I haven't stopped Dr Bates from posting because, if I stopped everyone who was a bit abrasive or who occasionally upset others, we'd end up with almost no one posting. We all at times act like stressed out people. I can't imagine why that is  I have to admit, I got sucked into Dr. Bate's site after his first email that I remember being posted to the group a month or so ago. I bought the CD and some supplements to try. My little guy is REALLY texture sensitive and does not swallow pills. I tried a few iterations of various smoothies or other concoctions but I could not get him to take the supplements. I've been playing the CD nonstop in his room, so he listens to it all night. He's been listening to "sounds" (white noise) since he was an infant, so it was an easy switch and he didn't even notice that it was different than what he listened to before. Since starting the CD about three weeks ago, I really think that Hayden's behavior has improved. We try to only medicate Hayden during the week for school. On the weekends, off meds, I think he's been better. He's still pretty wild and loud, but he listens and can stop when asked better than he used to be able to, plus, even though he's still loud, there isn't as much physical impulse control issues. During the week in the evening, he's significantly better. Usually, the meds have worn off and he's just as wild as he would be during the weekends. But lately he's almost like he's lightly medicated. He obeys, he's quiet, and the evenings are very pleasant. The CD is the only thing we've changed during this time. Other than him spontaneously getting more mature/controlled on his own, I really don't have any other explanation. I hope he continues to improve. It makes me really want to try to figure out how to get the supplements in him. I agree, however, that Dr. Bates comes off as a snake oil salesman and his emails are offensive (e.g. brain damage). But that doesn't necessarily mean that his ideas are wrong. If nothing else, here's a chance for him to respond to my positive review of his CD. A test if you will to see if he reads anything. No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.1913 / Virus Database: 2112/4810 - Release Date: 02/14/12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 16, 2012 Report Share Posted February 16, 2012 What are the motives of those who seek to discredit me? I read all the replies, and the vehemence of some (like ) have to make me wonder if she is working directly for Big Pharma. As someone said, this particular yahoogroup is rife with this type of controversy. Whose interests are served by this? Big Pharma spends millions to " protect " their bottom line, and it makes sense to have some (or many) people doing the job of discrediting the people trying to get the truth out. Is there a real . or some Big Pharma man that is paid by Big Pharma doing this. What is the motive? Yes, I invented a new therapy, and it works. It is extremely dangerous to Big Pharma, and can cost them billions in drug and vaccine sales. It actually " cures " many stress situations that expensive drugs are " usually " used for. I make no money out of the sale of ascorbic acid vitamin C, yet I've been posting the truth about the use of that cheapest way to remove toxic minerals and preventing or curing disease. I've been personal friends with such " giants " as Abram Hoffer, head of the Orthomolecular Society, Linus ing, the real guru of vitamin C research, Carl Pfeiffer my mentor in toxic mineral research. Big Pharma is now getting desperate, as the truth is now coming out, and more and more people are " getting away " from drugs, and it has to be worrying Big Pharma that makes trillions of bucks from drug sales. Did you know that Big Pharma companies have about 50 lobbyists for every member of congress, and that Big Pharma is literally bribing them to vote their way? Did you know that every 3rd year medical student gets " bribes " from Big Pharma. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 16, 2012 Report Share Posted February 16, 2012 I think it is time to end personal attacks. It does no good for anyone. We all have our personal beliefs about what causes autism and how to solve the rpoblems it causes, but that doesn't mean we can't be respectful and tolerant of others with different views. If you know you don't like the views of someone else, don't read their posts. There is no need to read malicious intent into anyone's posts. [moderator]  What are the motives of those who seek to discredit me?� I read all the replies, and the vehemence of some (like ) have to make me wonder if she is working directly for Big Pharma.� As someone said, this particular yahoogroup is rife with this type of controversy.� Whose interests are served by this?� Big Pharma spends millions to "protect" their bottom line, and it makes sense to have some (or many) people doing the job of discrediting the people trying to get the truth out.� Is there a real . or some� Big Pharma man that is paid by Big Pharma doing this.� What is the motive?� Yes, I invented a new therapy, and it works.� It is extremely dangerous to Big Pharma, and can cost them billions in drug and vaccine sales.� It actually "cures" many stress situations that expensive drugs are "usually" used for.� I make no money out of the sale of ascorbic acid vitamin C, yet I've been posting the truth about the use of that cheapest way to remove toxic minerals and preventing or curing disease. I've been personal friends with such "giants" as Abram Hoffer, head of the Orthomolecular Society, Linus ing, the real guru of vitamin C research, Carl Pfeiffer my mentor in toxic mineral research.� Big Pharma is now getting desperate, as the truth is now coming out, and more and more people are "getting away" from drugs, and it has to be worrying Big Pharma that makes trillions of bucks from drug sales. �� Did you know that Big Pharma companies have about 50 lobbyists for every member of congress, and that Big Pharma is literally bribing� them to vote their way?� Did you know that every 3rd year medical student gets "bribes" from Big Pharma. �� � No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.1913 / Virus Database: 2112/4812 - Release Date: 02/15/12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 16, 2012 Report Share Posted February 16, 2012 You figured me out. I'm in the pocket of Big Pharma. That must be where all those checks come from every month! Though I guess I don't really get checks since I'm not an actual person, just some sort of lobbying construct. It couldn't be that an actual, intelligent human being disagrees because no intelligent person could ever disagree. I'll now add ignorance to arrogance. (your friendly neighborhood robot overlord) What are the motives of those who seek to discredit me? I read all the replies, and the vehemence of some (like ) have to make me wonder if she is working directly for Big Pharma. As someone said, this particular yahoogroup is rife with this type of controversy. Whose interests are served by this? Big Pharma spends millions to " protect " their bottom line, and it makes sense to have some (or many) people doing the job of discrediting the people trying to get the truth out. Is there a real . or some Big Pharma man that is paid by Big Pharma doing this. What is the motive? Yes, I invented a new therapy, and it works. It is extremely dangerous to Big Pharma, and can cost them billions in drug and vaccine sales. It actually " cures " many stress situations that expensive drugs are " usually " used for. I make no money out of the sale of ascorbic acid vitamin C, yet I've been posting the truth about the use of that cheapest way to remove toxic minerals and preventing or curing disease. I've been personal friends with such " giants " as Abram Hoffer, head of the Orthomolecular Society, Linus ing, the real guru of vitamin C research, Carl Pfeiffer my mentor in toxic mineral research. Big Pharma is now getting desperate, as the truth is now coming out, and more and more people are " getting away " from drugs, and it has to be worrying Big Pharma that makes trillions of bucks from drug sales. Did you know that Big Pharma companies have about 50 lobbyists for every member of congress, and that Big Pharma is literally bribing them to vote their way? Did you know that every 3rd year medical student gets " bribes " from Big Pharma. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 16, 2012 Report Share Posted February 16, 2012 This is meant to be a support group -- not an attack group. Please respect what others might have to say, even if you disagree. To: autism-aspergers Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2012 9:08 AM Subject: Re: Re: PDD-NOS You figured me out. I'm in the pocket of Big Pharma. That must be where all those checks come from every month! Though I guess I don't really get checks since I'm not an actual person, just some sort of lobbying construct. It couldn't be that an actual, intelligent human being disagrees because no intelligent person could ever disagree. I'll now add ignorance to arrogance. (your friendly neighborhood robot overlord) What are the motives of those who seek to discredit me? I read all the replies, and the vehemence of some (like ) have to make me wonder if she is working directly for Big Pharma. As someone said, this particular yahoogroup is rife with this type of controversy. Whose interests are served by this? Big Pharma spends millions to "protect" their bottom line, and it makes sense to have some (or many) people doing the job of discrediting the people trying to get the truth out. Is there a real . or some Big Pharma man that is paid by Big Pharma doing this. What is the motive? Yes, I invented a new therapy, and it works. It is extremely dangerous to Big Pharma, and can cost them billions in drug and vaccine sales. It actually "cures" many stress situations that expensive drugs are "usually" used for. I make no money out of the sale of ascorbic acid vitamin C, yet I've been posting the truth about the use of that cheapest way to remove toxic minerals and preventing or curing disease. I've been personal friends with such "giants" as Abram Hoffer, head of the Orthomolecular Society, Linus ing, the real guru of vitamin C research, Carl Pfeiffer my mentor in toxic mineral research. Big Pharma is now getting desperate, as the truth is now coming out, and more and more people are "getting away" from drugs, and it has to be worrying Big Pharma that makes trillions of bucks from drug sales. Did you know that Big Pharma companies have about 50 lobbyists for every member of congress, and that Big Pharma is literally bribing them to vote their way? Did you know that every 3rd year medical student gets "bribes" from Big Pharma. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 16, 2012 Report Share Posted February 16, 2012 This kind of banter deters people who want to reach out, relate, seek help, counsel or a friendly ear.Its unfortunate when communication is reduced to this.Please respect the forum.Kim McClainSpecial Needs Advocate & Family Consultant Mobile Fax McClainAutismAdvocate@...----- Reply message -----To: " autism-aspergers " <autism-aspergers >Subject: Re: PDD-NOSDate: Thu, Feb 16, 2012 8:42 amThis is meant to be a support group -- not an attack group. Please respect what others might have to say, even if you disagree. To: autism-aspergers Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2012 9:08 AM Subject: Re: Re: PDD-NOS You figured me out. I'm in the pocket of Big Pharma. That must be where all those checks come from every month! Though I guess I don't really get checks since I'm not an actual person, just some sort of lobbying construct. It couldn't be that an actual, intelligent human being disagrees because no intelligent person could ever disagree.I'll now add ignorance to arrogance. (your friendly neighborhood robot overlord) What are the motives of those who seek to discredit me? I read all the replies, and the vehemence of some (like ) have to make me wonder if she is working directly for Big Pharma. As someone said, this particular yahoogroup is rife with this type of controversy. Whose interests are served by this? Big Pharma spends millions to "protect" their bottom line, and it makes sense to have some (or many) people doing the job of discrediting the people trying to get the truth out. Is there a real . or some Big Pharma man that is paid by Big Pharma doing this. What is the motive? Yes, I invented a new therapy, and it works. It is extremely dangerous to Big Pharma, and can cost them billions in drug and vaccine sales. It actually "cures" many stress situations that expensive drugs are "usually" used for. I make no money out of the sale of ascorbic acid vitamin C, yet I've been posting the truth about the use of that cheapest way to remove toxic minerals and preventing or curing disease. I've been personal friends with such "giants" as Abram Hoffer, head of the Orthomolecular Society, Linus ing, the real guru of vitamin C research, Carl Pfeiffer my mentor in toxic mineral research. Big Pharma is now getting desperate, as the truth is now coming out, and more and more people are "getting away" from drugs, and it has to be worrying Big Pharma that makes trillions of bucks from drug sales. Did you know that Big Pharma companies have about 50 lobbyists for every member of congress, and that Big Pharma is literally bribing them to vote their way? Did you know that every 3rd year medical student gets "bribes" from Big Pharma. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 16, 2012 Report Share Posted February 16, 2012 The moderator has asked that this conversation be stopped. Though I was directly insulted, I have respected this request. It appears Dr. Bate has as well as he has not responded. Perhaps everyone else can do the same? On Thu, Feb 16, 2012 at 1:08 PM, mcclainautismadvocate@... wrote: This kind of banter deters people who want to reach out, relate, seek help, counsel or a friendly ear.Its unfortunate when communication is reduced to this.Please respect the forum.Kim McClain Special Needs Advocate & Family Consultant Mobile Fax McClainAutismAdvocate@...----- Reply message ----- To: " autism-aspergers " <autism-aspergers > Subject: Re: PDD-NOSDate: Thu, Feb 16, 2012 8:42 am This is meant to be a support group -- not an attack group. Please respect what others might have to say, even if you disagree. To: autism-aspergers Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2012 9:08 AM Subject: Re: Re: PDD-NOS You figured me out. I'm in the pocket of Big Pharma. That must be where all those checks come from every month! Though I guess I don't really get checks since I'm not an actual person, just some sort of lobbying construct. It couldn't be that an actual, intelligent human being disagrees because no intelligent person could ever disagree. I'll now add ignorance to arrogance. (your friendly neighborhood robot overlord) What are the motives of those who seek to discredit me? I read all the replies, and the vehemence of some (like ) have to make me wonder if she is working directly for Big Pharma. As someone said, this particular yahoogroup is rife with this type of controversy. Whose interests are served by this? Big Pharma spends millions to " protect " their bottom line, and it makes sense to have some (or many) people doing the job of discrediting the people trying to get the truth out. Is there a real . or some Big Pharma man that is paid by Big Pharma doing this. What is the motive? Yes, I invented a new therapy, and it works. It is extremely dangerous to Big Pharma, and can cost them billions in drug and vaccine sales. It actually " cures " many stress situations that expensive drugs are " usually " used for. I make no money out of the sale of ascorbic acid vitamin C, yet I've been posting the truth about the use of that cheapest way to remove toxic minerals and preventing or curing disease. I've been personal friends with such " giants " as Abram Hoffer, head of the Orthomolecular Society, Linus ing, the real guru of vitamin C research, Carl Pfeiffer my mentor in toxic mineral research. Big Pharma is now getting desperate, as the truth is now coming out, and more and more people are " getting away " from drugs, and it has to be worrying Big Pharma that makes trillions of bucks from drug sales. Did you know that Big Pharma companies have about 50 lobbyists for every member of congress, and that Big Pharma is literally bribing them to vote their way? Did you know that every 3rd year medical student gets " bribes " from Big Pharma. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 16, 2012 Report Share Posted February 16, 2012 > > This is meant to be a support group -- not an attack group. Please respect what others might have to say, even if you disagree. > > I have found it particularly unsupportive to be told weekly that there is only one means by which to treat any condition and a particular individual holds the key to that means. If this is a support board and not a board intended to track the latest conspiracy theories, perhaps those who are just using it to attempt to sell their products and discredit any competition or criticism could be asked to leave? I'm sure they could invest in a banner ad or two and communicate their commerical message to the masses rather than preying on us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 19, 2012 Report Share Posted February 19, 2012 This is a little delayed and it looks like you got some info but this might help clarify (or maybe confuse more in which case I apologize!). Pervasive Developmental Disorders include: Childhood Disintegrative Disorder (CDD) Rett's Autism Disorder PDD-NOS Asperger's Disorder The last three are considered part of Autism Spectrum Disorders. I'm in Canada and I don't know how that works there for schools, insurance etc. > > Hi All, > > So after over a year of trying to get doctors to help us understand our now 3 year old (almost 4) son, we had a psychiatrist diagnose him today with PDD- NOS. I am still very confused as to whether this DX is considered Autism? > > I ask because I re-opened my son's case from our local regional center at the advice of the school nurse when we were going thru the IEP process. > > The regional center just called me last week after receiving the school's assessments, reports & IEP. He qualified for special Ed services under " autistic-like " characteristics. > > The regional center case worker told me she would conduct an intake interview on March 5th and the regional center's psychologists will assess him in April to see if he has autism. She stated the only way the regional center would accept him now that he's over 3, is if he is diagnosed with autism. > > If anyone can direct me to where I can get reliable information on the differences or similarities of autism & PDD- NOS? Is the DSM IV online? I have been trying to wrap my head around all this for over a year & there seems to be " secret " info doctors or organizations know but won't volunteer that info due to budgets or whatever other red tape. > Thank you all in advance for any advice! > > Gladys > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 27, 2012 Report Share Posted February 27, 2012 Personally the posts from Dr. Bate keep me out of this forum more often than not. He seems like a typical autism quack. The moderator has asked that this conversation be stopped. Though I was directly insulted, I have respected this request. It appears Dr. Bate has as well as he has not responded. Perhaps everyone else can do the same? On Thu, Feb 16, 2012 at 1:08 PM, mcclainautismadvocate@... wrote: This kind of banter deters people who want to reach out, relate, seek help, counsel or a friendly ear.Its unfortunate when communication is reduced to this.Please respect the forum.Kim McClain Special Needs Advocate & Family Consultant Mobile Fax McClainAutismAdvocate@...----- Reply message ----- To: "autism-aspergers " <autism-aspergers > Subject: Re: PDD-NOSDate: Thu, Feb 16, 2012 8:42 am This is meant to be a support group -- not an attack group. Please respect what others might have to say, even if you disagree. To: autism-aspergers Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2012 9:08 AM Subject: Re: Re: PDD-NOS You figured me out. I'm in the pocket of Big Pharma. That must be where all those checks come from every month! Though I guess I don't really get checks since I'm not an actual person, just some sort of lobbying construct. It couldn't be that an actual, intelligent human being disagrees because no intelligent person could ever disagree. I'll now add ignorance to arrogance. (your friendly neighborhood robot overlord) What are the motives of those who seek to discredit me? I read all the replies, and the vehemence of some (like ) have to make me wonder if she is working directly for Big Pharma. As someone said, this particular yahoogroup is rife with this type of controversy. Whose interests are served by this? Big Pharma spends millions to "protect" their bottom line, and it makes sense to have some (or many) people doing the job of discrediting the people trying to get the truth out. Is there a real . or some Big Pharma man that is paid by Big Pharma doing this. What is the motive? Yes, I invented a new therapy, and it works. It is extremely dangerous to Big Pharma, and can cost them billions in drug and vaccine sales. It actually "cures" many stress situations that expensive drugs are "usually" used for. I make no money out of the sale of ascorbic acid vitamin C, yet I've been posting the truth about the use of that cheapest way to remove toxic minerals and preventing or curing disease. I've been personal friends with such "giants" as Abram Hoffer, head of the Orthomolecular Society, Linus ing, the real guru of vitamin C research, Carl Pfeiffer my mentor in toxic mineral research. Big Pharma is now getting desperate, as the truth is now coming out, and more and more people are "getting away" from drugs, and it has to be worrying Big Pharma that makes trillions of bucks from drug sales. Did you know that Big Pharma companies have about 50 lobbyists for every member of congress, and that Big Pharma is literally bribing them to vote their way? Did you know that every 3rd year medical student gets "bribes" from Big Pharma. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 28, 2012 Report Share Posted February 28, 2012 I agree. I appreciated your responses . I really value this forum, but the posts by people who are selling something have made me consider leaving it many times. Particularly, I find it offensive when beliefs are stated as facts, without any third party references, and only links to their own websites to back them up. I know many people come to this forum because they are struggling with profound challenges in their families. We can all be vulnerable to that desire for a cure or a quick fix when we've had a very hard day (week/year) and I'm disappointed to see people who would prey on that continually posting here. Sent from my iPhone Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 28, 2012 Report Share Posted February 28, 2012 Well said, ! :-) > > I agree. I appreciated your responses . I really value this forum, but the posts by people who are selling something have made me consider leaving it many times. Particularly, I find it offensive when beliefs are stated as facts, without any third party references, and only links to their own websites to back them up. I know many people come to this forum because they are struggling with profound challenges in their families. We can all be vulnerable to that desire for a cure or a quick fix when we've had a very hard day (week/year) and I'm disappointed to see people who would prey on that continually posting here. > > > > Sent from my iPhone > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 5, 2012 Report Share Posted March 5, 2012 To all the readers following this thread, I rarely write to this group online—I prefer to simply read comments and remain uninvolved. I do not have the luxury of replying as often as I would like, as I spend most of my time giving my direct attention to the most important aspects of my life—my family, home and our health. I barely find time to read all the posts. However, it is simply nauseating to repeatedly be subjected by the rude comments made by others in our group attacking Dr. Bate and/or any posts submitted by the same. I, for one, am not duly represented by the hateful and denigrating responses that have been generated by this base few. To Dr. Bate, I have many times wanted to write to thank you for opening my eyes to new ways I can continue to heal my son. Thank you for your posts to this group. I appreciate that you have continued to write us and attempt to educate us in spite of the numerous personal attacks by several mean-spirited members in this forum. I have specifically noticed and respected you each time you have chosen to ignore each negative comment; I additionally thank you for not rescinding. I have used my own personal variation of NAET for years to heal my entire family and have been amazed at the phenomenal results. My Asperger son has cleared many, many NAET "allergies" and in five years time, he has improved remarkably (let's say, 90% or more). I mention this, because I was pleased to see you cite NAET in one of your posts to our group as reportedly being successful, and my own friends and family can undoubtedly attest to this. As for the heavy metal toxicity you had explained, my entire family has since, individually completed liver cleanses and completely cleared from considerable amounts of heavy metals (my husband is actually still in the process of clearing heavy metals since he joined us midway). We used the ascorbic acid method using vitamin C supplements from a local store. My two oldest children personally thanked me for having them do the chelation since they feel that their schoolwork is easier to do; my Asperger son said he doesn't feel so tense or "mean" anymore; my youngest son swears his sound sensory issues are improving; I am personally able to think more clearly and can follow verbal directions for the first time in my adult married life (I have an auditory processing problem); and my husband insisted on joining us to do a liver cleanse and heavy metal chelation (he isn't as much into the natural health approaches). We did not alter anything else in our daily regime. Everything stayed the same. I liked hearing the positive results given by at least two other members in our group about the CD therapy you offer and I anticipate buying it and trying it sometime in the next few months. Again, thank you for your steadfastness. I now know that you are the reason why I stumbled upon this group—I credit your desire to share natural alternatives of hope and health with others at a reasonable cost for bringing a new level of healing to my family. To our moderator, Thank you, , for sharing your precious commodities of time and energy with us and for being such a great support in our group. You are undoubtedly patient and incredibly tireless and most certainly appreciated! Very Sincerely, Huffman "Your food shall be your medicine and your medicine shall be your food." Hippocrates (460-377 BCE) >> What are the motives of those who seek to discredit me? I read all the> replies, and the vehemence of some (like ) have to make me wonder if> she is working directly for Big Pharma. As someone said, this particular> yahoogroup is rife with this type of controversy. Whose interests are> served by this? Big Pharma spends millions to "protect" their bottom line,> and it makes sense to have some (or many) people doing the job of> discrediting the people trying to get the truth out. Is there a real> . or some Big Pharma man that is paid by Big Pharma doing this. What> is the motive?> > Yes, I invented a new therapy, and it works. It is extremely dangerous to> Big Pharma, and can cost them billions in drug and vaccine sales. It> actually "cures" many stress situations that expensive drugs are "usually"> used for.> > I make no money out of the sale of ascorbic acid vitamin C, yet I've been> posting the truth about the use of that cheapest way to remove toxic> minerals and preventing or curing disease. I've been personal friends with> such "giants" as Abram Hoffer, head of the Orthomolecular Society, Linus> ing, the real guru of vitamin C research, Carl Pfeiffer my mentor in> toxic mineral research.> > Big Pharma is now getting desperate, as the truth is now coming out, and> more and more people are "getting away" from drugs, and it has to be> worrying Big Pharma that makes trillions of bucks from drug sales. Did> you know that Big Pharma companies have about 50 lobbyists for every member> of congress, and that Big Pharma is literally bribing them to vote their> way? Did you know that every 3rd year medical student gets "bribes" from> Big Pharma.> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 5, 2012 Report Share Posted March 5, 2012 To Huffman,Thank you for your comments and kind words. They make my agenda against Big Pharma worth while. More people should speak up about these " strange persons " who keep turning up on this and other posts. I actually think that they have an agenda that may be paid for by Big Pharma. Who else has a reason for their " attacks " on non-drug therapies? Big Pharma has some " big problems " , and they are losing income, as the truth is coming out on the web. My weekly editorials and newsletter digest is " hurting their incomes " and telling the truth about them, and that makes me their enemy. I have had several outright lies posted about me personally. Why and who? I have no personal enemies known. The very virulence of the attacks cannot be accounted for otherwise. I have not " cheated " anyone, as I guarantee satisfaction with my Neuroliminal Training (unlike Big Pharma and the Medical Industry). There's no income from Vitamin C, or other suggested alternatives to Big Pharma's dangerous drugs. I do not " know " these people personally, and they obviously do not know me, (although they may know that my NT CD's and my weekly free newsletter are starting to put a crimp into the sales of their various " mental drugs " , that don't work and are killing people " ). Anyone who takes the trouble to read my web site thoroughly will find that there are over a hundred pages of FREE information on dozens of FREE non drug therapies that " replace " Big Pharma drugs at lower cost and more efficiency. I make no income from any of these. The only thing I sell on my website are 3 different Neuroliminal Training CD's that do the same brain wave " training " that EEG biofeedback or Neurofeedback does. (At a small fraction of the cost of NFB.) My NT's have proven to do these things as well if not better than that very expensive therapy. In particular, most Neurofeedback clinics will not even take on any autism patients. To use NFB, it is necessary to keep the sensors attached, and even " helmets " aren't all that effective. Next, it is important to have the patient concentrate on a video screen, and this is difficult for an autistic person to do. All too often, for these and other reasons, NFB doesn't succeed, and the family has spent thousands of dollars. (With no refund on guarantee as my NT does). If anyone wants to check, you will find that I have less than $5000 in cash or banks, own a manufactured home worth about $50K in today's market, and I will be 85 years old next month. I give away over 30 years of research advice and all of it " hurts " the profits of Big Pharma, and helps average people all over the world. I'm certainly not getting rich scamming people, but Big Pharma is. Let's start checking on my virulent enemies and their motives. Anyone out there good at such investigation? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 5, 2012 Report Share Posted March 5, 2012 Thanks, . I share your feelings precisely. To: autism-aspergers Sent: Sunday, March 4, 2012 10:01 PM Subject: Re: PDD-NOS To all the readers following this thread, I rarely write to this group online—I prefer to simply read comments and remain uninvolved. I do not have the luxury of replying as often as I would like, as I spend most of my time giving my direct attention to the most important aspects of my life—my family, home and our health. I barely find time to read all the posts. However, it is simply nauseating to repeatedly be subjected by the rude comments made by others in our group attacking Dr. Bate and/or any posts submitted by the same. I, for one, am not duly represented by the hateful and denigrating responses that have been generated by this base few. To Dr. Bate, I have many times wanted to write to thank you for opening my eyes to new ways I can continue to heal my son. Thank you for your posts to this group. I appreciate that you have continued to write us and attempt to educate us in spite of the numerous personal attacks by several mean-spirited members in this forum. I have specifically noticed and respected you each time you have chosen to ignore each negative comment; I additionally thank you for not rescinding. I have used my own personal variation of NAET for years to heal my entire family and have been amazed at the phenomenal results. My Asperger son has cleared many, many NAET "allergies" and in five years time, he has improved remarkably (let's say, 90% or more). I mention this, because I was pleased to see you cite NAET in one of your posts to our group as reportedly being successful, and my own friends and family can undoubtedly attest to this. As for the heavy metal toxicity you had explained, my entire family has since, individually completed liver cleanses and completely cleared from considerable amounts of heavy metals (my husband is actually still in the process of clearing heavy metals since he joined us midway). We used the ascorbic acid method using vitamin C supplements from a local store. My two oldest children personally thanked me for having them do the chelation since they feel that their schoolwork is easier to do; my Asperger son said he doesn't feel so tense or "mean" anymore; my youngest son swears his sound sensory issues are improving; I am personally able to think more clearly and can follow verbal directions for the first time in my adult married life (I have an auditory processing problem); and my husband insisted on joining us to do a liver cleanse and heavy metal chelation (he isn't as much into the natural health approaches). We did not alter anything else in our daily regime. Everything stayed the same. I liked hearing the positive results given by at least two other members in our group about the CD therapy you offer and I anticipate buying it and trying it sometime in the next few months. Again, thank you for your steadfastness. I now know that you are the reason why I stumbled upon this group—I credit your desire to share natural alternatives of hope and health with others at a reasonable cost for bringing a new level of healing to my family. To our moderator, Thank you, , for sharing your precious commodities of time and energy with us and for being such a great support in our group. You are undoubtedly patient and incredibly tireless and most certainly appreciated! Very Sincerely, Huffman "Your food shall be your medicine and your medicine shall be your food." Hippocrates (460-377 BCE) >> What are the motives of those who seek to discredit me? I read all the> replies, and the vehemence of some (like ) have to make me wonder if> she is working directly for Big Pharma. As someone said, this particular> yahoogroup is rife with this type of controversy. Whose interests are> served by this? Big Pharma spends millions to "protect" their bottom line,> and it makes sense to have some (or many) people doing the job of> discrediting the people trying to get the truth out. Is there a real> . or some Big Pharma man that is paid by Big Pharma doing this. What> is the motive?> > Yes, I invented a new therapy, and it works. It is extremely dangerous to> Big Pharma, and can cost them billions in drug and vaccine sales. It> actually "cures" many stress situations that expensive drugs are "usually"> used for.> > I make no money out of the sale of ascorbic acid vitamin C, yet I've been> posting the truth about the use of that cheapest way to remove toxic> minerals and preventing or curing disease. I've been personal friends with> such "giants" as Abram Hoffer, head of the Orthomolecular Society, Linus> ing, the real guru of vitamin C research, Carl Pfeiffer my mentor in> toxic mineral research.> > Big Pharma is now getting desperate, as the truth is now coming out, and> more and more people are "getting away" from drugs, and it has to be> worrying Big Pharma that makes trillions of bucks from drug sales. Did> you know that Big Pharma companies have about 50 lobbyists for every member> of congress, and that Big Pharma is literally bribing them to vote their> way? Did you know that every 3rd year medical student gets "bribes" from> Big Pharma.> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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