Re: Re: Growing Carrot Sprouts

[Guest guest]

Why is it flawed, if the data is correct and the statistics back up the data?

Melody

Mar 25, 2011 11:53:26 AM, sproutpeople wrote:

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Melody,

The China study is seriously flawed and its recommendations are also unreliable.

For more details I recommend Dr Mercola's site (mercola.com). Although I have

been a vegetarian for over 70 years, I don't think it ecologically sustainable

for the vast majority of the population, and I do eat animal protein in the form

of cheese and eggs, which helps to keep my diet balanced, and take

animal-sourced omega3s (krill oil) as they are much better absorbed than the

vegetable sources such as flax and linseed (which I also use).

On another point, I always grow my sprouts with light, as the green chlorophyll

is a valuable nutrient

Mike

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From: " eliz7212@... "

To: sproutpeople

Sent: Fri, 25 March, 2011 14:36:10

Subject: Re: Re: Growing Carrot Sprouts

 

Well, i am in the midst of reading a book called The China Study. Doctors wrote

this book and it's on Ebay and Amazon. Best book I ever bought. There was a

study done and statistics were discovered as to what kinds of diet lead to

cancer and what kinds of diets do NOT lead to cancer, and heart disease, and

other bad stuff.

I'm still in the middle of the book but so far everything points to a PLANT

BASED DIET as the best diet for mankind.

They discovered that PROTEIN, actually, ANIMAL PROTEIN leads to more cases of

cancer and death than Vegetable Protein.

So, obviously, some day, when I finish buying my chicken and my fish, I'm going

to go back to eating vegetarian with veggie protein shakes instead of living

animals.

I'm not there yet, BUT I'M GETTING THERE.

You should read this book.

Amazing findings, and the statistics back up everything that is said in the

book.

Melody

Mar 25, 2011 10:20:36 AM, sproutpeople wrote:

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No offense taken. I've gone back and forth on the issue. Currently, I only eat

humanely raised animal products (or in the case of fish--wild caught opposed to

farm raised)--local humanely raised.... Since I can't afford much of the

humanely raised...I don't eat much animal products.

Tina

>

> Toni,You are right, I am not from the South. I grew up in New Jersey and in

New

>York.But I grew up eating meat, bacon, and cheese everyday. I am a vegan and

>don't touch anything that comes from an animal. Even the soap in my house is

not

>animal based. It is a moral choice--once I learned of how animals are bred,

>raised, and slaughtered I decided I could not support those industries or their

>suffering. I have a tee shirt that I am fond of wearing that quotes Kafka: " Now

>I can look at you in peace, I don't eat you anymore " it has pictures of farm

>animals on it. I feel alot better this way too. I don't miss real bacon

> No offence intended to anyone who eats meat. This is just my

>perspective.marion

>

>

> n Rollings, PhDNJ Licensed Psychologist #4686www.DrnRollings.com

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[Guest guest]

BTW, Dr. Mercola was on the Dr. Oz show yesterday. Looks for reruns.

ew

Re: Re: Growing Carrot Sprouts

Well, i am in the midst of reading a book called The China Study. Doctors wrote

this book and it's on Ebay and Amazon. Best book I ever bought. There was a

study done and statistics were discovered as to what kinds of diet lead to

cancer and what kinds of diets do NOT lead to cancer, and heart disease, and

other bad stuff.

I'm still in the middle of the book but so far everything points to a PLANT

BASED DIET as the best diet for mankind.

They discovered that PROTEIN, actually, ANIMAL PROTEIN leads to more cases of

cancer and death than Vegetable Protein.

So, obviously, some day, when I finish buying my chicken and my fish, I'm going

to go back to eating vegetarian with veggie protein shakes instead of living

animals.

I'm not there yet, BUT I'M GETTING THERE.

You should read this book.

Amazing findings, and the statistics back up everything that is said in the

book.

Melody

Mar 25, 2011 10:20:36 AM, sproutpeople wrote:

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No offense taken. I've gone back and forth on the issue. Currently, I only eat

humanely raised animal products (or in the case of fish--wild caught opposed to

farm raised)--local humanely raised.... Since I can't afford much of the

humanely raised...I don't eat much animal products.

Tina

>

> Toni,You are right, I am not from the South. I grew up in New Jersey and in

New

>York.But I grew up eating meat, bacon, and cheese everyday. I am a vegan and

>don't touch anything that comes from an animal. Even the soap in my house is

not

>animal based. It is a moral choice--once I learned of how animals are bred,

>raised, and slaughtered I decided I could not support those industries or their

>suffering. I have a tee shirt that I am fond of wearing that quotes Kafka: " Now

>I can look at you in peace, I don't eat you anymore " it has pictures of farm

>animals on it. I feel alot better this way too. I don't miss real bacon

>Â No offence intended to anyone who eats meat. This is just my

>perspective.marion

>

>

> n Rollings, PhDNJ Licensed Psychologist #4686www.DrnRollings.com

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[Guest guest]

I think they show Dr. Oz programs on his website.

Melody

Mar 25, 2011 12:16:55 PM, sproutpeople wrote:

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BTW, Dr. Mercola was on the Dr. Oz show yesterday. Looks for reruns.

ew

Re: Re: Growing Carrot Sprouts

Well, i am in the midst of reading a book called The China Study. Doctors wrote

this book and it's on Ebay and Amazon. Best book I ever bought. There was a

study done and statistics were discovered as to what kinds of diet lead to

cancer and what kinds of diets do NOT lead to cancer, and heart disease, and

other bad stuff.

I'm still in the middle of the book but so far everything points to a PLANT

BASED DIET as the best diet for mankind.

They discovered that PROTEIN, actually, ANIMAL PROTEIN leads to more cases of

cancer and death than Vegetable Protein.

So, obviously, some day, when I finish buying my chicken and my fish, I'm going

to go back to eating vegetarian with veggie protein shakes instead of living

animals.

I'm not there yet, BUT I'M GETTING THERE.

You should read this book.

Amazing findings, and the statistics back up everything that is said in the

book.

Melody

Mar 25, 2011 10:20:36 AM, sproutpeople wrote:

===========================================

No offense taken. I've gone back and forth on the issue. Currently, I only eat

humanely raised animal products (or in the case of fish--wild caught opposed to

farm raised)--local humanely raised.... Since I can't afford much of the

humanely raised...I don't eat much animal products.

Tina

>

> Toni,You are right, I am not from the South. I grew up in New Jersey and in

New

>York.But I grew up eating meat, bacon, and cheese everyday. I am a vegan and

>don't touch anything that comes from an animal. Even the soap in my house is

not

>animal based. It is a moral choice--once I learned of how animals are bred,

>raised, and slaughtered I decided I could not support those industries or their

>suffering. I have a tee shirt that I am fond of wearing that quotes Kafka: " Now

>I can look at you in peace, I don't eat you anymore " it has pictures of farm

>animals on it. I feel alot better this way too. I don't miss real bacon

>Â No offence intended to anyone who eats meat. This is just my

>perspective.marion

>

>

> n Rollings, PhDNJ Licensed Psychologist #4686www.DrnRollings.com

------------------------------------

[Guest guest]

Tina, from what I've read so far, this doctor (who wrote the China Study) is

very careful in what he writes. I'm not even close to finishing the book, but he

makes it clear that different data can support different outcomes.

I find this whole thing fascinating.

But he did indicate one thing. Eating animal protein definitely causes more

cases of cancer than not eating animal protein. The cases dropped when one ate

vegetable protein.

So I don't know how one can put a spin on that, but I have lots more to read.

Interesting book.

Melody

Mar 25, 2011 12:33:35 PM, sproutpeople wrote:

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Well, Melody, herein lies the rub: statistics can be made to support anything.

As I mentioned, The China Study attempts to use a few points of data to come to

a single conclusion: that eating animal protein is the single cause of the

" diseases of affluence " . Problem is, life isn't that simple. Using the same set

of data, one could say that exercise is the key. Or, processed foods. Or, air

quality. There are just too many factors to be so bold as to say " this " causes

" that " from an epidemiological study...or even a set of epidemiological studies.

The " gold standard " for scientific studies are controlled, double-blind studies.

This is a bit difficult to achieve in nutrition studies other than in lab

animals.

Tina

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[Guest guest]

But one thing to consider, Melody, - what if it's not the meat itself, but the

antibiotics, hormones and chemicals that go into the feed the animals are fed?

(Or what if the guy from " Eat Right 4 Your Type " is right, and your blood type

actually determines which kind of diet would be most or least helpful for you?)

What an epidemiological study shows is correlation - when you have a high meat

diet, you see a rise in cancer rates for that specific population - but what it

cannot say is exactly what caused it.

I am, at this point, more concerned with the chemicals we are fed every day in

our food, and on our food, or are fed to our food before we eat it. Like

radiation, a lot of that stuff remains in the body and is cumulative. That's

the kind of stuff I try to avoid. (I saw fat free half and half in the store

recently and just shook my head! <G>) JMHO, of course, and I know buying

organic is not easy, nor is it financially feasible for a lot of people. IMHO,

growing your own fruits and veges, or sprouting, are good alternatives.

Pam

> Tina, from what I've read so far, this doctor (who wrote the China Study) is

very careful in what he writes. I'm not even close to finishing the book, but he

makes it clear that different data can support different outcomes.

>

> I find this whole thing fascinating.

>

> But he did indicate one thing. Eating animal protein definitely causes more

cases of cancer than not eating animal protein. The cases dropped when one ate

vegetable protein.

>

> So I don't know how one can put a spin on that, but I have lots more to read.

>

> Interesting book.

>

> Melody

>

> Mar 25, 2011 12:33:35 PM, sproutpeople wrote:

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> Well, Melody, herein lies the rub: statistics can be made to support anything.

As I mentioned, The China Study attempts to use a few points of data to come to

a single conclusion: that eating animal protein is the single cause of the

" diseases of affluence " . Problem is, life isn't that simple. Using the same set

of data, one could say that exercise is the key. Or, processed foods. Or, air

quality. There are just too many factors to be so bold as to say " this " causes

" that " from an epidemiological study...or even a set of epidemiological studies.

The " gold standard " for scientific studies are controlled, double-blind studies.

This is a bit difficult to achieve in nutrition studies other than in lab

animals.

>

> Tina

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[Guest guest]

Toni:

I completely agree with you. But maybe it's what they feed the animals, and what

if we always can't buy organic meat? And I really believe that when we are

born, everything that is in our bodies, well, IT'S IN OUR BODIES. But when we

are exposed to external triggers, whether it be electrical stimuli, smoking,

toxins, toxic air, WHATEVER, well that will trigger certain cells to mutate and

become cancerous. I was talking to a researcher the other day. She completely

agreed with me.

We are born with sets of genes from both parents. Whatever happens down the road

to turn on, turn off, or mutate those genes, cells, or whatever, well that

determines the rest of our existence.

And I believe nutrition might just hold the key.

Time will Tell

Interesting discussion

Melody

Mar 25, 2011 01:16:56 PM, sproutpeople wrote:

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[Guest guest]

I should read that Blood Type book just so I can see how he manages to link

blood type to dietary intake. <beating head against desk>

Our biggest health concern is, as you say, the chemicals we ingest though our

food, beverages, and the very air we breath. The levels of plasticizers and

poisons is staggering. Going organic is certainly an important first step.

Reducing the use of plastics (storage containers, plastic wraps, etc.)

contacting our food (even organic foods) is another important step. Taking

optimal levels of antioxidants A, C, and E (your " ACE " in the hole) is another.

Tina

--- pam@... wrote:

To: sproutpeople

Subject: Re: Re: Growing Carrot Sprouts

Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2011 10:08:54 -0700

But one thing to consider, Melody, - what if it's not the meat itself, but the

antibiotics, hormones and chemicals that go into the feed the animals are fed?

(Or what if the guy from " Eat Right 4 Your Type " is right, and your blood type

actually determines which kind of diet would be most or least helpful for you?)

What an epidemiological study shows is correlation - when you have a high meat

diet, you see a rise in cancer rates for that specific population - but what it

cannot say is exactly what caused it.

I am, at this point, more concerned with the chemicals we are fed every day in

our food, and on our food, or are fed to our food before we eat it. Like

radiation, a lot of that stuff remains in the body and is cumulative. That's

the kind of stuff I try to avoid. (I saw fat free half and half in the store

recently and just shook my head! <G>) JMHO, of course, and I know buying

organic is not easy, nor is it financially feasible for a lot of people. IMHO,

growing your own fruits and veges, or sprouting, are good alternatives.

Pam

[Guest guest]

Beverly, tell your husband that its more like 84%

ew

Fw: Re: Growing Carrot Sprouts

My husband loves to say " 83% of all statistics are made up on the spot " .

He gets a kick out of that.

Beverly

Texas

Re: Growing Carrot Sprouts

Well, Melody, herein lies the rub: statistics can be made to support

anything. As I mentioned, The China Study attempts to use a few points of

data to come to a single conclusion: that eating animal protein is the

single cause of the " diseases of affluence " . Problem is, life isn't that

simple. Using the same set of data, one could say that exercise is the key.

Or, processed foods. Or, air quality. There are just too many factors to be

so bold as to say " this " causes " that " from an epidemiological study...or

even a set of epidemiological studies. The " gold standard " for scientific

studies are controlled, double-blind studies. This is a bit difficult to

achieve in nutrition studies other than in lab animals.

[Guest guest]

Dr Mercola has a different system, Nutritional Typing. He offers a free test to

determine your type on his site. He claims that you should select your diet

according to your type -carbohydrate, protein, or mixed. It seems to work.

Mike

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To: sproutpeople

Sent: Fri, 25 March, 2011 17:35:15

Subject: Re: Re: Growing Carrot Sprouts

 

I should read that Blood Type book just so I can see how he manages to link

blood type to dietary intake. <beating head against desk>

Our biggest health concern is, as you say, the chemicals we ingest though our

food, beverages, and the very air we breath. The levels of plasticizers and

poisons is staggering. Going organic is certainly an important first step.

Reducing the use of plastics (storage containers, plastic wraps, etc.)

contacting our food (even organic foods) is another important step. Taking

optimal levels of antioxidants A, C, and E (your " ACE " in the hole) is another.

Tina

--- pam@... wrote:

To: sproutpeople

Subject: Re: Re: Growing Carrot Sprouts

Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2011 10:08:54 -0700

But one thing to consider, Melody, - what if it's not the meat itself, but the

antibiotics, hormones and chemicals that go into the feed the animals are fed?

(Or what if the guy from " Eat Right 4 Your Type " is right, and your blood type

actually determines which kind of diet would be most or least helpful for you?)

What an epidemiological study shows is correlation - when you have a high meat

diet, you see a rise in cancer rates for that specific population - but what it

cannot say is exactly what caused it.

I am, at this point, more concerned with the chemicals we are fed every day in

our food, and on our food, or are fed to our food before we eat it. Like

radiation, a lot of that stuff remains in the body and is cumulative. That's the

kind of stuff I try to avoid. (I saw fat free half and half in the store

recently and just shook my head! <G>) JMHO, of course, and I know buying organic

is not easy, nor is it financially feasible for a lot of people. IMHO, growing

your own fruits and veges, or sprouting, are good alternatives.

Pam