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I honestly wonder if these fears that my child has are " normal " fears. Where

do you draw the line as to what's a normal fear and what isn't? I would

think at 9 years old that my child could go to sleep on her own but for some

reason there's a lot of anxiety. Is this something that I should take

seriously since she is getting older?

Thanks,

In a message dated 12/29/2002 7:34:51 PM Eastern Standard Time,

kandyg@... writes:

> Our eleven year old with OCD sleeps on the floor in our bedroom on

> comforters. He is scared to sleep in his room alone and will not

> sleep in or on top of his bed. He has always been this way. My

> husband use to wait until he fell asleep and then sneak out of the

> room but my son would wake up, searching urgently through the house

> until he found one of us. No one has getting any sleep. Atleast he

> can sleep through the night now.

> Our four year old can't sleep alone or even go in another room

> without being scared. Both children have fears of dark places.

>

> Kandy

>

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Dear ,

It is easier for me to determine what is a real fear but the line

gets very fuzzy at times. I had several small strokes a few years

ago and last year my physicans said there was nothing further they

could do, my illness was degenerative. My vascular system is a mess.

Our children have the same syndrome I have which caused serious pain

in my son's joints last year. Having a fear of losing your mother is

a real fear. Fearing that you will have similar medical problems

like your mother, is a real fear. Having anaphylaxic shock to eating

something that has dairy, when you are allergic, and fearing you

won't be able to breath is a real fear.

Our children need us more than other children, is that due to real

fear. Well, if I look at OCD as an illness, then yes, I think it

becomes a real fear for them. But, the obsession that drives many of

the compulsions are not real fears. I don't know about sleep fears

and why my children need to sleep with us or in the same room. I

don't see this as an obsession or compulsion. It may be the only

time that they feel truly safe. I gave up fighting this one a long

time ago.

I think all of us as parents fear, real or unreal, about the future.

Will our children make it? Will our children be able to survive in

this world without us? I certainly worry about this daily. Prayer

nad hope are my only relief. Sometimes when everything seems to be

going so wrong, I realize how wonderful my children really are.

Kandy

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OCD kids tend to have fears that normal children have, but they are exaggerated.

I think you should take them seriously in that your child is really suffering

from them and needs help to conquer those fears. After inept psychotherapy was

ineffective with separation and sleep anxieties when my son was 5, I bought him

a bunch of guardian angel pins to pin everywhere, and that helped some. But it

was not effective in the long run--I didn't know he had OCD and that he needed a

different kind of help to overcome his fears.

Judy

Re: Sleeping with OCD

I honestly wonder if these fears that my child has are " normal " fears. Where

do you draw the line as to what's a normal fear and what isn't? I would

think at 9 years old that my child could go to sleep on her own but for some

reason there's a lot of anxiety. Is this something that I should take

seriously since she is getting older?

Thanks,

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Hi , you wrote:

>I honestly wonder if these fears that my child has are " normal " fears. Where

do you draw the line as to what's a normal fear and what isn't?

I draw the line (ie suspect OCD) when a fear is out of bounds, is impairing, or

interfering with normal day-to-day life.

>I would

think at 9 years old that my child could go to sleep on her own but for some

reason there's a lot of anxiety. Is this something that I should take

seriously since she is getting older?

My daughter will be 9 in a couple of weeks. If she couldn't fall asleep on her

own I would be taking it seriously since this problem could start limiting her

life re: overnights, camp etc. There are just too many normal situations where

I (or whoever she may " need " ) may not be able to be with her each night at

bedtime. I know of one child 13 who, if Mom can't be there, stays awake all

night!

As a start, would your child consider reading in bed until she gets sleepy,

watching TV or listening to music until drowsy? (**If these things help your

child feel relaxed/drowsy.) Do you know what her anxiety at bedtime is about?

(Separation, fear of darkness, nightmares or ??) Figuring that out can help

suggest some ideas to minimize/overcome it. Having anxiety about going to bed

every night is pretty miserable in itself, and may be reason enough to address

it.

My two cents.

Kathy R. in Indiana

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Dear ,

I honestly think they are afraid. My 9 year old is terribly afraid. I

remember back when I was his age and realize my tremendous fear and everyone

thought I was being silly. That is the only way to believe....if you've been

there too. We have 2 beds in my son's room. My husband and I have not slept

in the same bed in years, yes years. But we must do what is best in making

our child feel secure until the day that he is ok on his own. I think that

having ocd and now realize I speak from my own ocd that your imagination runs

wild at bedtime. Not with one particular thought but many, an old nightmare,

a look from a stranger, the monsters in the closet and under the bed. It's a

photographic memory this ocd gives you! (What a gift) ugh! If it isn't one

thing it's another. Believe me their fears are real.

Beverly

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hi,

My name is Angie, I havent posted for awhile, I have an eight year old

daughter with ocd (pretty mild, for now at least, zoloft has worked wonders)

she has always slept with us. I think this could be " normal " behaviour. My

older daughter, who is now 16, slept with us until she was 13 (in our bed off

and on until around nine or so, and on our floor in a sleeping bag until she

was 13) , and my son who is now 13, slept with us until he was around 6 or 7,

and slept on our floor till he was 12. It drove me nuts at the time, we had

four kids sleeping with us or around us. (we also have a daughter who is

7--she pretty much sleeps on her own, shows up in the early am to cuddle, or

sleeps with us during storms, nightmares etc) sometimes I felt like I was

climbing over an obstacle course with all the comforters and sleeping bags on

our floor. I have a friend who has a 13 year old son who sleeps in her room

on the floor. I think it is more common than we think as most people arent

going to volunteer that their preteens and teens still sleep in their room,

but start asking around and talking about it and its amazing how many

families this is common in. Now that my oldest daughter is almost grown, we

have talked about it and she said she was just scared sometimes and felt

better sleeping with the family. Both of the older kids just gradually

started sleeping in their own rooms, its funny, but I cant really even

remember exactly when they stopped sleeping in our room.

angie

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