Guest guest Posted August 9, 2009 Report Share Posted August 9, 2009 Cleveland Clinic (CCF) may have shot itself in the foot. Fury recently errupted in Cleveland when CCF patients started getting bills with $55/visit fee attached. This "facility fee", which is not reimbursable by insurance, is in addition to the regular co-pay. Local papers published many articles, editorials and letters and are encouraging angry readers to switch to private practices. This Januaury, I adopted $35 yearly patient fee after reading the listserv discussions at the end of last year. My patients have been very supportive and around 350 paid the fee. A few more have chosen to pay per service (I can't remember whom on the listserv I emulated for this). Is CCF unique in charging the fee? They have non-profit status and claim that this is the only way they could remain solvent while taking care of the indigent. As an outsider, I think CCF makes millions by grossly overordering expensive procedures and overtaxes our medical system. I would love to hear to hear your thoughts and personal experiences. Alla Continuing to survive in private family practice Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 11, 2009 Report Share Posted August 11, 2009 What defines a " facility " ? Maybe I can be a facility too Cleveland Clinic (CCF) may have shot itself in the foot. Fury recently errupted in Cleveland when CCF patients started getting bills with $55/visit fee attached. This " facility fee " , which is not reimbursable by insurance, is in addition to the regular co-pay. Local papers published many articles, editorials and letters and are encouraging angry readers to switch to private practices. This Januaury, I adopted $35 yearly patient fee after reading the listserv discussions at the end of last year. My patients have been very supportive and around 350 paid the fee. A few more have chosen to pay per service (I can't remember whom on the listserv I emulated for this). Is CCF unique in charging the fee? They have non-profit status and claim that this is the only way they could remain solvent while taking care of the indigent. As an outsider, I think CCF makes millions by grossly overordering expensive procedures and overtaxes our medical system. I would love to hear to hear your thoughts and personal experiences. Alla Continuing to survive in private family practice -- M.D.www.elainemd.comOffice: Go in the directions of your dreams and live the life you've imagined.This email transmission may contain protected and privileged, highly confidential medical, Personal and Health Information (PHI) and/or legal information. The information is intended only for the use of the individual or entity named above. If you are not the intended recipient of this material, you may not use, publish, discuss, disseminate or otherwise distribute it. If you are not the intended recipient, or if you have received this transmission in error, please notify the sender immediately and confidentially destroy the information that email in error. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 11, 2009 Report Share Posted August 11, 2009 But then you’d have to file claims on a UB-92. I don’t think any of us want to go there… Pratt Office Manager Oak Tree Internal Medicine P.C www.prattmd.info From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of Sent: Monday, August 10, 2009 8:55 PM To: Subject: Re: Yearly fees What defines a " facility " ? Maybe I can be a facility too On Sun, Aug 9, 2009 at 8:24 AM, allakirsch <allakirsch> wrote: Cleveland Clinic (CCF) may have shot itself in the foot. Fury recently errupted in Cleveland when CCF patients started getting bills with $55/visit fee attached. This " facility fee " , which is not reimbursable by insurance, is in addition to the regular co-pay. Local papers published many articles, editorials and letters and are encouraging angry readers to switch to private practices. This Januaury, I adopted $35 yearly patient fee after reading the listserv discussions at the end of last year. My patients have been very supportive and around 350 paid the fee. A few more have chosen to pay per service (I can't remember whom on the listserv I emulated for this). Is CCF unique in charging the fee? They have non-profit status and claim that this is the only way they could remain solvent while taking care of the indigent. As an outsider, I think CCF makes millions by grossly overordering expensive procedures and overtaxes our medical system. I would love to hear to hear your thoughts and personal experiences. Alla Continuing to survive in private family practice -- M.D. www.elainemd.com Office: Go in the directions of your dreams and live the life you've imagined. This email transmission may contain protected and privileged, highly confidential medical, Personal and Health Information (PHI) and/or legal information. The information is intended only for the use of the individual or entity named above. If you are not the intended recipient of this material, you may not use, publish, discuss, disseminate or otherwise distribute it. If you are not the intended recipient, or if you have received this transmission in error, please notify the sender immediately and confidentially destroy the information that email in error. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 11, 2009 Report Share Posted August 11, 2009 what is a UB-92? Dannielle Harwood, M.D.-- Confidentiality Notice --This email message, including all the attachments, is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and contains confidential information. Unauthorized use or disclosure is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, you may not use, disclose, copy or disseminate this information. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender immediately by reply email and destroy all copies of the original message, including attachments. RE: Yearly fees But then you’d have to file claims on a UB-92. I don’t think any of us want to go there… Pratt Office Manager Oak Tree Internal Medicine P.C www.prattmd.info From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of Sent: Monday, August 10, 2009 8:55 PMTo: Subject: Re: Yearly fees What defines a "facility"? Maybe I can be a facility too On Sun, Aug 9, 2009 at 8:24 AM, allakirsch <allakirsch> wrote: Cleveland Clinic (CCF) may have shot itself in the foot. Fury recently errupted in Cleveland when CCF patients started getting bills with $55/visit fee attached. This "facility fee", which is not reimbursable by insurance, is in addition to the regular co-pay. Local papers published many articles, editorials and letters and are encouraging angry readers to switch to private practices. This Januaury, I adopted $35 yearly patient fee after reading the listserv discussions at the end of last year. My patients have been very supportive and around 350 paid the fee. A few more have chosen to pay per service (I can't remember whom on the listserv I emulated for this). Is CCF unique in charging the fee? They have non-profit status and claim that this is the only way they could remain solvent while taking care of the indigent. As an outsider, I think CCF makes millions by grossly overordering expensive procedures and overtaxes our medical system. I would love to hear to hear your thoughts and personal experiences. Alla Continuing to survive in private family practice -- M.D.www.elainemd.comOffice: Go in the directions of your dreams and live the life you've imagined.This email transmission may contain protected and privileged, highly confidential medical, Personal and Health Information (PHI) and/or legal information. The information is intended only for the use of the individual or entity named above. If you are not the intended recipient of this material, you may not use, publish, discuss, disseminate or otherwise distribute it. If you are not the intended recipient, or if you have received this transmission in error, please notify the sender immediately and confidentially destroy the information that email in error. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 11, 2009 Report Share Posted August 11, 2009 Well, now it’s called a CMS-1450 (if you want to wait for the download, go to page 18 to see what it looks like): http://www.cms.hhs.gov/Transmittals/downloads/R1104CP.pdf It’s basically the form that hospitals use for billing instead of the CMS-1500 (which all of us who are a little crusty still call a HCFA – pronounced “Hick-fuh”). Pratt Office Manager Oak Tree Internal Medicine P.C www.prattmd.info From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of dannielle harwood Sent: Tuesday, August 11, 2009 7:21 AM To: Subject: Re: Yearly fees what is a UB-92? Dannielle Harwood, M.D. -- Confidentiality Notice -- This email message, including all the attachments, is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and contains confidential information. Unauthorized use or disclosure is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, you may not use, disclose, copy or disseminate this information. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender immediately by reply email and destroy all copies of the original message, including attachments. Re: Yearly fees What defines a " facility " ? Maybe I can be a facility too On Sun, Aug 9, 2009 at 8:24 AM, allakirsch <allakirsch> wrote: Cleveland Clinic (CCF) may have shot itself in the foot. Fury recently errupted in Cleveland when CCF patients started getting bills with $55/visit fee attached. This " facility fee " , which is not reimbursable by insurance, is in addition to the regular co-pay. Local papers published many articles, editorials and letters and are encouraging angry readers to switch to private practices. This Januaury, I adopted $35 yearly patient fee after reading the listserv discussions at the end of last year. My patients have been very supportive and around 350 paid the fee. A few more have chosen to pay per service (I can't remember whom on the listserv I emulated for this). Is CCF unique in charging the fee? They have non-profit status and claim that this is the only way they could remain solvent while taking care of the indigent. As an outsider, I think CCF makes millions by grossly overordering expensive procedures and overtaxes our medical system. I would love to hear to hear your thoughts and personal experiences. Alla Continuing to survive in private family practice -- M.D. www.elainemd.com Office: Go in the directions of your dreams and live the life you've imagined. This email transmission may contain protected and privileged, highly confidential medical, Personal and Health Information (PHI) and/or legal information. The information is intended only for the use of the individual or entity named above. If you are not the intended recipient of this material, you may not use, publish, discuss, disseminate or otherwise distribute it. If you are not the intended recipient, or if you have received this transmission in error, please notify the sender immediately and confidentially destroy the information that email in error. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 11, 2009 Report Share Posted August 11, 2009 so if I am technically in a "hospital clinic" is this the system we use??? Sorry to sound so ignorant but am still about 8 weeks from opening and some details are still shrouded in mystery. I am trying to make a case for the clinic to allow a small ($20) monthly fee be charged to the patients mostly to pave the way for this type of fee when I own the practice. Dannielle Harwood, M.D.-- Confidentiality Notice --This email message, including all the attachments, is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and contains confidential information. Unauthorized use or disclosure is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, you may not use, disclose, copy or disseminate this information. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender immediately by reply email and destroy all copies of the original message, including attachments. RE: Yearly fees But then you’d have to file claims on a UB-92. I don’t think any of us want to go there… Pratt Office Manager Oak Tree Internal Medicine P.C www.prattmd.info From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of Sent: Monday, August 10, 2009 8:55 PMTo: Subject: Re: Yearly fees What defines a "facility"? Maybe I can be a facility too On Sun, Aug 9, 2009 at 8:24 AM, allakirsch <allakirsch> wrote: Cleveland Clinic (CCF) may have shot itself in the foot. Fury recently errupted in Cleveland when CCF patients started getting bills with $55/visit fee attached. This "facility fee", which is not reimbursable by insurance, is in addition to the regular co-pay. Local papers published many articles, editorials and letters and are encouraging angry readers to switch to private practices. This Januaury, I adopted $35 yearly patient fee after reading the listserv discussions at the end of last year. My patients have been very supportive and around 350 paid the fee. A few more have chosen to pay per service (I can't remember whom on the listserv I emulated for this). Is CCF unique in charging the fee? They have non-profit status and claim that this is the only way they could remain solvent while taking care of the indigent. As an outsider, I think CCF makes millions by grossly overordering expensive procedures and overtaxes our medical system. I would love to hear to hear your thoughts and personal experiences. Alla Continuing to survive in private family practice -- M.D.www.elainemd.comOffice: Go in the directions of your dreams and live the life you've imagined.This email transmission may contain protected and privileged, highly confidential medical, Personal and Health Information (PHI) and/or legal information. The information is intended only for the use of the individual or entity named above. If you are not the intended recipient of this material, you may not use, publish, discuss, disseminate or otherwise distribute it. If you are not the intended recipient, or if you have received this transmission in error, please notify the sender immediately and confidentially destroy the information that email in error. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 11, 2009 Report Share Posted August 11, 2009 No….it is only for hospitals and nursing homes. You will use the CMS-1500; you are in a clinic. Are you coming to camp this week? If so, please track me down and I’ll help you sort it out a little. Pratt Office Manager Oak Tree Internal Medicine P.C www.prattmd.info From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of dannielle harwood Sent: Tuesday, August 11, 2009 7:47 AM To: Subject: Re: Yearly fees so if I am technically in a " hospital clinic " is this the system we use??? Sorry to sound so ignorant but am still about 8 weeks from opening and some details are still shrouded in mystery. I am trying to make a case for the clinic to allow a small ($20) monthly fee be charged to the patients mostly to pave the way for this type of fee when I own the practice. Dannielle Harwood, M.D. -- Confidentiality Notice -- This email message, including all the attachments, is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and contains confidential information. Unauthorized use or disclosure is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, you may not use, disclose, copy or disseminate this information. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender immediately by reply email and destroy all copies of the original message, including attachments. Re: Yearly fees What defines a " facility " ? Maybe I can be a facility too On Sun, Aug 9, 2009 at 8:24 AM, allakirsch <allakirsch> wrote: Cleveland Clinic (CCF) may have shot itself in the foot. Fury recently errupted in Cleveland when CCF patients started getting bills with $55/visit fee attached. This " facility fee " , which is not reimbursable by insurance, is in addition to the regular co-pay. Local papers published many articles, editorials and letters and are encouraging angry readers to switch to private practices. This Januaury, I adopted $35 yearly patient fee after reading the listserv discussions at the end of last year. My patients have been very supportive and around 350 paid the fee. A few more have chosen to pay per service (I can't remember whom on the listserv I emulated for this). Is CCF unique in charging the fee? They have non-profit status and claim that this is the only way they could remain solvent while taking care of the indigent. As an outsider, I think CCF makes millions by grossly overordering expensive procedures and overtaxes our medical system. I would love to hear to hear your thoughts and personal experiences. Alla Continuing to survive in private family practice -- M.D. www.elainemd.com Office: Go in the directions of your dreams and live the life you've imagined. This email transmission may contain protected and privileged, highly confidential medical, Personal and Health Information (PHI) and/or legal information. The information is intended only for the use of the individual or entity named above. If you are not the intended recipient of this material, you may not use, publish, discuss, disseminate or otherwise distribute it. If you are not the intended recipient, or if you have received this transmission in error, please notify the sender immediately and confidentially destroy the information that email in error. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 11, 2009 Report Share Posted August 11, 2009 wish I was going to be there but since I am only a wanna be IMP as opposed to an actual one at this point I decided that I couldn't quite justify it...hopefully next year. Dannielle Harwood, M.D.-- Confidentiality Notice --This email message, including all the attachments, is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and contains confidential information. Unauthorized use or disclosure is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, you may not use, disclose, copy or disseminate this information. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender immediately by reply email and destroy all copies of the original message, including attachments. RE: Yearly fees But then you’d have to file claims on a UB-92. I don’t think any of us want to go there… Pratt Office Manager Oak Tree Internal Medicine P.C www.prattmd.info From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of Sent: Monday, August 10, 2009 8:55 PMTo: Subject: Re: Yearly fees What defines a "facility"? Maybe I can be a facility too On Sun, Aug 9, 2009 at 8:24 AM, allakirsch <allakirsch> wrote: Cleveland Clinic (CCF) may have shot itself in the foot. Fury recently errupted in Cleveland when CCF patients started getting bills with $55/visit fee attached. This "facility fee", which is not reimbursable by insurance, is in addition to the regular co-pay. Local papers published many articles, editorials and letters and are encouraging angry readers to switch to private practices. This Januaury, I adopted $35 yearly patient fee after reading the listserv discussions at the end of last year. My patients have been very supportive and around 350 paid the fee. A few more have chosen to pay per service (I can't remember whom on the listserv I emulated for this). Is CCF unique in charging the fee? They have non-profit status and claim that this is the only way they could remain solvent while taking care of the indigent. As an outsider, I think CCF makes millions by grossly overordering expensive procedures and overtaxes our medical system. I would love to hear to hear your thoughts and personal experiences. Alla Continuing to survive in private family practice -- M.D.www.elainemd.comOffice: Go in the directions of your dreams and live the life you've imagined.This email transmission may contain protected and privileged, highly confidential medical, Personal and Health Information (PHI) and/or legal information. The information is intended only for the use of the individual or entity named above. If you are not the intended recipient of this material, you may not use, publish, discuss, disseminate or otherwise distribute it. If you are not the intended recipient, or if you have received this transmission in error, please notify the sender immediately and confidentially destroy the information that email in error. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 13, 2009 Report Share Posted August 13, 2009 What city are you in Dannielle. I think we are both in California wish I was going to be there but since I am only a wanna be IMP as opposed to an actual one at this point I decided that I couldn't quite justify it...hopefully next year. Dannielle Harwood, M.D.-- Confidentiality Notice --This email message, including all the attachments, is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and contains confidential information. Unauthorized use or disclosure is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, you may not use, disclose, copy or disseminate this information. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender immediately by reply email and destroy all copies of the original message, including attachments. Re: Yearly fees What defines a " facility " ? Maybe I can be a facility too Cleveland Clinic (CCF) may have shot itself in the foot. Fury recently errupted in Cleveland when CCF patients started getting bills with $55/visit fee attached. This " facility fee " , which is not reimbursable by insurance, is in addition to the regular co-pay. Local papers published many articles, editorials and letters and are encouraging angry readers to switch to private practices. This Januaury, I adopted $35 yearly patient fee after reading the listserv discussions at the end of last year. My patients have been very supportive and around 350 paid the fee. A few more have chosen to pay per service (I can't remember whom on the listserv I emulated for this). Is CCF unique in charging the fee? They have non-profit status and claim that this is the only way they could remain solvent while taking care of the indigent. As an outsider, I think CCF makes millions by grossly overordering expensive procedures and overtaxes our medical system. I would love to hear to hear your thoughts and personal experiences. Alla Continuing to survive in private family practice -- M.D.www.elainemd.comOffice: Go in the directions of your dreams and live the life you've imagined. This email transmission may contain protected and privileged, highly confidential medical, Personal and Health Information (PHI) and/or legal information. The information is intended only for the use of the individual or entity named above. If you are not the intended recipient of this material, you may not use, publish, discuss, disseminate or otherwise distribute it. If you are not the intended recipient, or if you have received this transmission in error, please notify the sender immediately and confidentially destroy the information that email in error. -- M.D.www.elainemd.comOffice: Go in the directions of your dreams and live the life you've imagined.This email transmission may contain protected and privileged, highly confidential medical, Personal and Health Information (PHI) and/or legal information. The information is intended only for the use of the individual or entity named above. If you are not the intended recipient of this material, you may not use, publish, discuss, disseminate or otherwise distribute it. If you are not the intended recipient, or if you have received this transmission in error, please notify the sender immediately and confidentially destroy the information that email in error. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 13, 2009 Report Share Posted August 13, 2009 Yes I am in CA...up in Chico...nothing too glamorous here! Dannielle Harwood, M.D.-- Confidentiality Notice --This email message, including all the attachments, is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and contains confidential information. Unauthorized use or disclosure is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, you may not use, disclose, copy or disseminate this information. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender immediately by reply email and destroy all copies of the original message, including attachments. RE: Yearly fees But then you’d have to file claims on a UB-92. I don’t think any of us want to go there… Pratt Office Manager Oak Tree Internal Medicine P.C www.prattmd.info From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of Sent: Monday, August 10, 2009 8:55 PMTo: Subject: Re: Yearly fees What defines a "facility"? Maybe I can be a facility too On Sun, Aug 9, 2009 at 8:24 AM, allakirsch <allakirsch> wrote: Cleveland Clinic (CCF) may have shot itself in the foot. Fury recently errupted in Cleveland when CCF patients started getting bills with $55/visit fee attached. This "facility fee", which is not reimbursable by insurance, is in addition to the regular co-pay. Local papers published many articles, editorials and letters and are encouraging angry readers to switch to private practices. This Januaury, I adopted $35 yearly patient fee after reading the listserv discussions at the end of last year. My patients have been very supportive and around 350 paid the fee. A few more have chosen to pay per service (I can't remember whom on the listserv I emulated for this). Is CCF unique in charging the fee? They have non-profit status and claim that this is the only way they could remain solvent while taking care of the indigent. As an outsider, I think CCF makes millions by grossly overordering expensive procedures and overtaxes our medical system. I would love to hear to hear your thoughts and personal experiences. Alla Continuing to survive in private family practice -- M.D.www.elainemd.comOffice: Go in the directions of your dreams and live the life you've imagined.This email transmission may contain protected and privileged, highly confidential medical, Personal and Health Information (PHI) and/or legal information. The information is intended only for the use of the individual or entity named above. If you are not the intended recipient of this material, you may not use, publish, discuss, disseminate or otherwise distribute it. If you are not the intended recipient, or if you have received this transmission in error, please notify the sender immediately and confidentially destroy the information that email in error. -- M.D.www.elainemd.comOffice: Go in the directions of your dreams and live the life you've imagined.This email transmission may contain protected and privileged, highly confidential medical, Personal and Health Information (PHI) and/or legal information. The information is intended only for the use of the individual or entity named above. If you are not the intended recipient of this material, you may not use, publish, discuss, disseminate or otherwise distribute it. If you are not the intended recipient, or if you have received this transmission in error, please notify the sender immediately and confidentially destroy the information that email in error. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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