restraints

[Guest guest]

My 10yr old son is on 2 sublingual tabs of clonidine, triliptal and respirdal and doing quite well... he's been on respirdal for 5 years.  I understand you not wanting to go the route of the atypical anti-psychotics, but in our case we had no other choice with out 15yr old daughter... She has Aspergers, bipolar w/psychosis, ADHD, and severe anxiety disorder.  She's currently taking 3 atypical antipsychotics...  120mg of geodon, 10mg of abilify, and 25mg of seroquel.  We only use the seroquel as a PRN for when she hears the voices (her psychosis) which right now is happening about 4-5 times a week roughly.  My daughter last month was hospitalized when she had her psychotic breakdown, that is when she was diagnosed with the psychosis, before that she was just diagnosed with good ol'e fashioned bipolar disorder.  I personally think that geodon was a lifesaver for us, it's a much better atypical than some of the others out there on the market, but I also understand that your child is still so young that you hate to see them on these types of drugs.  My daughter started her atypicals when she was 9, so I've been where you are, I know it's hard, but it's also so hard to see our children struggle just to survive to have a " normal " lifestyle as well.  My daughter struggles every day, I see it in so many ways.

I hope you find the answers that fit you and your child the best.  :-)Mimi

 

Please don't tell me clonidine didn't work   Grrrrr!!  he's starting that tonight!!  No, no risperdal.  I'm afraid of giving him atypical anti psychotic class meds.  I don't know what mtabs are.  We were giving him Tenex, 50 mg. of Benadryl, and 6 mg. of melatonin for bedtime.  (Dr. didn't like it but she agreed that he needed something to get him to sleep.  But you cannot take Intuniv/ Tenex with Clonidine, so he went off the Intuniv and he's now on the Clonodine and the melatonin for bed.  I pray it works with our son.  His name is Tommy and he'll be 9 this month  

He's on 54 mg. of Concerta in the morning with a 20 mg. short acting booster dose of Ritilin, b/c the Concerta never kicked in

for about an hr. and a half and he was having trouble for the first hour or two of class last year.  That is a lot of stimulants for a 8 yr. old but it works and he's very successful in reg. education. 

 

To: autism-aspergers

Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2011 6:38 PMSubject: Re: restraints

 

Does your son take Resperitol? mtabs....quick realease....especially for evenings, and mornings....clonadine never worked for our son. What other things do you do to help him feel secure at bedtime? I would not restrain a child...i would look for more professional help and or hospital if necessary till we got medications worked out.

Our son has Aspergers, ,he is 11.

Da

> Any of you all have to put your son/ daughter in restraints at bedtime to prevent destruction in their rooms at night? Two to three nights a week my son tears his room apart at bedtime. Looking into Clonadine for help with sleep...not sure how well that'll work, but we'll see...

>

[Guest guest]

Have you asked him why his brain tells him to do this?  Perhaps he

knows what sets him off but not how to tell you?

 

Restraints was not my first line of defense. 

But after a year of spending a least an hour cleaning

up whatever he's destroyed and the thousand or more

dollars, probably even more than that of destruction,

what else am I to do.  He goes to OT, psychologist,

developmental dr., psychiatrist, etc....many people

helping him on a reg. basis, but we cannot seem to

figure out why he does this.  He says, "His brain

tells him to do it."    I have not done the

restraints yet, but I'm at the verge....I don't want

to tie his body to the bed, but maybe just his arms at

his sides...

 

From:

Riley

To:

autism-aspergers

Sent:

Tuesday, September 27, 2011 7:32 PM

Subject:

Re: restraints

 

I think restraints would be a bad idea.  My

son can't stand even having the bedclothes

tucked in.  I am the same.  It's probably the

harder solution, but finding out why he wrecks

things and fixing that is the better option in

the long run.

 

I have two dressers, a box

spring/ mattress combo on the floor, but

he still messes up all that.  The mini

blinds are ruined.  The box spring and

the mattress have holes in them.  The

window sill he has actually chewed on

like a puppy---wood missing, stuff

carved out of his wooden dresser, etc. 

I feel like these are the basics but he

is still destroying them

 

From:

Anita

To:

autism-aspergers

Sent:

Tuesday, September 27, 2011 6:01 PM

Subject:

Re: restraints

 

I think

that I have heard that it is

better to take all but

necessities out of room....so

just a bed, pillow, etc.   That

is al that is necessary for

sleeping.  All other "stuff" is

kept in another room. 

 

I think I have even heard to

just put box spring and mattress

directly on the floor...the only

thing to mess up then is

sheets...

 

Aj

-----Original

Message-----

To: autism-aspergers <autism-aspergers >

Sent: Tue, Sep 27, 2011 4:27 pm

Subject: Re:

restraints

 

What if he wasnt

tied to bed but just

unable to use his

hands? I cannot watch

him all night

--- Original Message

---

Sent: September 27,

2011 9/27/11

To: autism-aspergers

Subject: Re:

restraints

 

I was thinking the

same thing.  Obviously

they wouldn't be able

to run themselves but

it would also make it

difficult for fireman

to get them out,

possibly having to

undo a restraint in

smoky conditions and

therefore putting

their lives in more

danger...

 

Aj

-----Original

Message-----

From: M. Rinehart

To: autism-aspergers

<autism-aspergers >

Sent: Tue, Sep 27,

2011 4:07 pm

Subject: Re:

restraints

 

I've never considered

restraints personally

because I'd be

concerned in case of

fire.

>

> Any of you all

have to put your son/

daughter in restraints

at bedtime

> to prevent

destruction in their

rooms at night? Two to

three nights a

> week my son tears

his room apart at

bedtime. Looking

into Clonadine

> for help with

sleep...not sure how

well that'll work, but

we'll see...

>

>

------------------------------------

[Guest guest]

Im not aware of any such specialist but I can look into it. If it is

expensive I prob couldn't afford it due to now living on one income. Everything

is tight. We have three children. And we often have to replace the basics like

beds, paint, repairs, toys, etc. But I fight for my little man so hopefully we

will get some help soon.

--- Original Message ---

Sent: September 27, 2011 9/27/11

To: autism-aspergers

Subject: Re: restraints

 

Yes, that does sound like just the basics.  Does he get into the dressers?  If

so, I would take those out of the room.

 

Sounds like he has an oral need - sorry don't know what that is called.  Maybe

you need to have something available for him to chew on instead of the wood? 

 

Have you consulted a home behavioralist?  Someone like that should be able to

come to the house and see what type of set up you have and make recommendations

I would think.

 

Aj

Re: restraints

 

I've never considered restraints personally because I'd be concerned in case of

fire.

>

> Any of you all have to put your son/ daughter in restraints at bedtime

> to prevent destruction in their rooms at night? Two to three nights a

> week my son tears his room apart at bedtime. Looking into Clonadine

> for help with sleep...not sure how well that'll work, but we'll see...

>

>

------------------------------------

[Guest guest]

Ive talked to him at length. He first says I dont know, then says his brain

makes him do it

Thats all I ever get out of him.....He goes to therapy every Wed. so maybe they

can get it out of him..

--- Original Message ---

Sent: September 27, 2011 9/27/11

To: autism-aspergers

Subject: Re: restraints

 

Have you asked him why his brain tells him to do this?  Perhaps he knows what

sets him off but not how to tell you?

 

Restraints was not my first line of defense.  But after a year of spending a

least an hour cleaning up whatever he's destroyed and the thousand or more

dollars, probably even more than that of destruction, what else am I to do.  He

goes to OT, psychologist, developmental dr., psychiatrist, etc....many people

helping him on a reg. basis, but we cannot seem to figure out why he does

this.  He says, " His brain tells him to do it. "     I have not done the

restraints yet, but I'm at the verge....I don't want to tie his body to the bed,

but maybe just his arms at his sides...

 

To: autism-aspergers

Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2011 7:32 PM

Subject: Re: restraints

 

I think restraints would be a bad idea.  My son can't stand even having the

bedclothes tucked in.  I am the same.  It's probably the harder solution, but

finding out why he wrecks things and fixing that is the better option in the

long run.

 

I have two dressers, a box spring/ mattress combo on the floor, but he still

messes up all that.  The mini blinds are ruined.  The box spring and the

mattress have holes in them.  The window sill he has actually chewed on like a

puppy---wood missing, stuff carved out of his wooden dresser, etc.  I feel like

these are the basics but he is still destroying them

 

To: autism-aspergers

Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2011 6:01 PM

Subject: Re: restraints

 

I think that I have heard that it is better to take all but necessities out of

room....so just a bed, pillow, etc.   That is al that is necessary for

sleeping.  All other " stuff " is kept in another room. 

 

I think I have even heard to just put box spring and mattress directly on the

floor...the only thing to mess up then is sheets...

 

Aj

Re: restraints

 

I've never considered restraints personally because I'd be concerned in case of

fire.

>

> Any of you all have to put your son/ daughter in restraints at bedtime

> to prevent destruction in their rooms at night? Two to three nights a

> week my son tears his room apart at bedtime. Looking into Clonadine

> for help with s

[Guest guest]

My son does all his destruction in his room. He does not leave his room---EVER!

His door is locked and I am ok with that. My bed is not more than three ft.

from his door.

--- Original Message ---

Sent: September 27, 2011 9/27/11

To: autism-aspergers

Subject: Re: restraints

 

Did you ever consider getting an ADT system?  We have one and have alarms on

all 3 of our doors, our front door, our door going to our garage, and our dining

room sliding glass door.  Then we have a panel in our lower level of the house

and a 2nd panel in our bedroom so we hear any alarms at night if any of the kids

open any doors during the night.  Lauryn has a horrible sleep pattern and only

sleeps about 2 (sometimes 4) hours a night, so she wanders the house, and

watches her DVD's all night long.  I haven't had any issues with my boys being

destructive, but I have had issues with my 15yr old having paranoid tendancies

and she would set various " traps " throughout the house to catch bad people - she

did this when she was younger, before she was diagnosed with psychosis.

 

Mimi

What he could do himself if he got out the front door into the night was

far more of a concern to me than fire was. He could unlock doors

windows, etc. We always had fire alarms and his room was near mine so

figured I could save him in case of fire. Once he did get out of the

house and I didn't see him till the next morning when a policeman

brought him to my door. Some late night party goers had found him

walking down the middle of a busy street and he could not talk!

Carolyn

M. Rinehart wrote:

>

> I've never considered restraints personally because I'd be concerned

> in case of fire.

>

>

>     >

>     > Any of you all have to put your son/ daughter in restraints at

>     bedtime

>     > to prevent destruction in their rooms at night? Two to three

>     nights a

>     > week my son tears his room apart at bedtime. Looking into

>     Clonadine

>     > for help with sleep...not sure how well that'll work, but we'll

>     see...

>     >

>     >

>

>

>     ------------------------------------

>

>    

[Guest guest]

With risperdal I worry about male breast tissue and discharge, not as big of a

deal with a female because they are supposed to develop that breast tissue

eventually. I also worry about the weight gain. I wonder sometimes if he hears

things, but he hasnt told me so. Thanks!

--- Original Message ---

Sent: September 27, 2011 9/27/11

To: autism-aspergers

Subject: Re: restraints

 

My 10yr old son is on 2 sublingual tabs of clonidine, triliptal and respirdal

and doing quite well... he's been on respirdal for 5 years.  I understand you

not wanting to go the route of the atypical anti-psychotics, but in our case we

had no other choice with out 15yr old daughter... She has Aspergers, bipolar

w/psychosis, ADHD, and severe anxiety disorder.  She's currently taking 3

atypical antipsychotics...  120mg of geodon, 10mg of abilify, and 25mg of

seroquel.  We only use the seroquel as a PRN for when she hears the voices (her

psychosis) which right now is happening about 4-5 times a week roughly.  My

daughter last month was hospitalized when she had her psychotic breakdown, that

is when she was diagnosed with the psychosis, before that she was just diagnosed

with good ol'e fashioned bipolar disorder.  I personally think that geodon was

a lifesaver for us, it's a much better atypical than some of the others out

there on the market, but I also understand that your child is still so young

that you hate to see them on these types of drugs.  My daughter started her

atypicals when she was 9, so I've been where you are, I know it's hard, but it's

also so hard to see our children struggle just to survive to have a " normal "

lifestyle as well.  My daughter struggles every day, I see it in so many ways.

I hope you find the answers that fit you and your child the best.  :-)

Mimi

 

Please don't tell me clonidine didn't work   Grrrrr!!  he's starting that

tonight!!  No, no risperdal.  I'm afraid of giving him atypical anti psychotic

class meds.  I don't know what mtabs are.  We were giving him Tenex, 50 mg. of

Benadryl, and 6 mg. of melatonin for bedtime.  (Dr. didn't like it but she

agreed that he needed something to get him to sleep.  But you cannot take

Intuniv/ Tenex with Clonidine, so he went off the Intuniv and he's now on the

Clonodine and the melatonin for bed.  I pray it works with our son.  His name

is Tommy and he'll be 9 this month  

He's on 54 mg. of Concerta in the morning with a 20 mg. short acting booster

dose of Ritilin, b/c the Concerta never kicked in for about an hr. and a half

and he was having trouble for the first hour or two of class last year.  That

is a lot of stimulants for a 8 yr. old but it works and he's very successful in

reg. education. 

 

To: autism-aspergers

Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2011 6:38 PM

Subject: Re: restraints

 

Does your son take Resperitol? mtabs....quick realease....especially for

evenings, and mornings....clonadine never worked for our son. What other things

do you do to help him feel secure at bedtime? I would not restrain a child...i

would look for more professional help and or hospital if necessary till we got

medications worked out.

Our son has Aspergers, ,he is 11.

Da

> Any of you all have to put your son/ daughter in restraints at bedtime to

prevent destruction in their rooms at night? Two to three nights a week my son

tears his room apart at bedtime. Looking into Clonadine for help with

sleep...not sure how well that'll work, but we'll see...

>

[Guest guest]

he has been on it for 6 years...no more breast then normal. He takes vyvance also for adhd so his evens itself out. We are now weaning him off of Vyvance to Intunive, non stimulant for adhd, he has put on weight, a little, but he needs to. This is a slow process.

Da

> With risperdal I worry about male breast tissue and discharge, not as big of a deal with a female because they are supposed to develop that breast tissue eventually. I also worry about the weight gain. I wonder sometimes if he hears things, but he hasnt told me so. Thanks!

> > --- Original Message ---> > > Sent: September 27, 2011 9/27/11> To: autism-aspergers

> Subject: Re: restraints> >   > > My 10yr old son is on 2 sublingual tabs of clonidine, triliptal and respirdal and doing quite well... he's been on respirdal for 5 years.  I understand you not wanting to go the route of the atypical anti-psychotics, but in our case we had no other choice with out 15yr old daughter... She has Aspergers, bipolar w/psychosis, ADHD, and severe anxiety disorder.  She's currently taking 3 atypical antipsychotics...  120mg of geodon, 10mg of abilify, and 25mg of seroquel.  We only use the seroquel as a PRN for when she hears the voices (her psychosis) which right now is happening about 4-5 times a week roughly.  My daughter last month was hospitalized when she had her psychotic breakdown, that is when she was diagnosed with the psychosis, before that she was just diagnosed with good ol'e fashioned bipolar disorder.  I personally think that geodon was a lifesaver for us, it's a much better atypical than some of the others out there on the market, but I also understand that your child is still so young that you hate to see them on these types of drugs.  My daughter started her atypicals when she was 9, so I've been where you are, I know it's hard, but it's also so hard to see our children struggle just to survive to have a " normal " lifestyle as well.  My daughter struggles every day, I see it in so many ways.

> I hope you find the answers that fit you and your child the best.  :-)> Mimi> > >

>  > > > > > > Please don't tell me clonidine didn't work   Grrrrr!!  he's starting that tonight!!  No, no risperdal.  I'm afraid of giving him atypical anti psychotic class meds.  I don't know what mtabs are.  We were giving him Tenex, 50 mg. of Benadryl, and 6 mg. of melatonin for bedtime.  (Dr. didn't like it but she agreed that he needed something to get him to sleep.  But you cannot take Intuniv/ Tenex with Clonidine, so he went off the Intuniv and he's now on the Clonodine and the melatonin for bed.  I pray it works with our son.  His name is Tommy and he'll be 9 this month  

> > > > He's on 54 mg. of Concerta in the morning with a 20 mg. short acting booster dose of Ritilin, b/c the Concerta never kicked in for about an hr. and a half and he was having trouble for the first hour or two of class last year.  That is a lot of stimulants for a 8 yr. old but it works and he's very successful in reg. education. 

> >  > > > > To: autism-aspergers

> Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2011 6:38 PM> Subject: Re: restraints> >   > > Does your son take Resperitol? mtabs....quick realease....especially for evenings, and mornings....clonadine never worked for our son. What other things do you do to help him feel secure at bedtime? I would not restrain a child...i would look for more professional help and or hospital if necessary till we got medications worked out.

> Our son has Aspergers, ,he is 11.> > Da> >> Any of you all have to put your son/ daughter in restraints at bedtime to prevent destruction in their rooms at night? Two to three nights a week my son tears his room apart at bedtime. Looking into Clonadine for help with sleep...not sure how well that'll work, but we'll see...

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

[Guest guest]

My son will answer all our questions with "I don't know" then he

goes to see a doctor and tells them everything.  Kids can be

frustrating sometimes.  Sometimes it is just asking the right

question at the right time.  I just wish I knew the right question

and the right time came more often.

 

Ive talked to him at length. He first says I dont know,

then says his brain makes him do it

Thats all I ever get out of him.....He goes to therapy

every Wed. so maybe they can get it out of him..

--- Original Message ---

Sent: September 27, 2011 9/27/11

To: autism-aspergers

Subject: Re: restraints

 

Have you asked him why his brain tells him to do this? 

Perhaps he knows what sets him off but not how to tell

you?

 

Restraints was not my first line of defense.  But after a

year of spending a least an hour cleaning up whatever he's

destroyed and the thousand or more dollars, probably even

more than that of destruction, what else am I to do.  He

goes to OT, psychologist, developmental dr., psychiatrist,

etc....many people helping him on a reg. basis, but we

cannot seem to figure out why he does this.  He says, "His

brain tells him to do it."    I have not done the

restraints yet, but I'm at the verge....I don't want to

tie his body to the bed, but maybe just his arms at his

sides...

 

To: autism-aspergers

Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2011 7:32 PM

Subject: Re: restraints

 

I think restraints would be a bad idea.  My son can't

stand even having the bedclothes tucked in.  I am the

same.  It's probably the harder solution, but finding out

why he wrecks things and fixing that is the better option

in the long run.

 

I have two dressers, a box spring/ mattress combo on the

floor, but he still messes up all that.  The mini blinds

are ruined.  The box spring and the mattress have holes in

them.  The window sill he has actually chewed on like a

puppy---wood missing, stuff carved out of his wooden

dresser, etc.  I feel like these are the basics but he is

still destroying them

 

To: autism-aspergers

Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2011 6:01 PM

Subject: Re: restraints

 

I think that I have heard that it is better to take all

but necessities out of room....so just a bed, pillow,

etc.   That is al that is necessary for sleeping.  All

other "stuff" is kept in another room. 

 

I think I have even heard to just put box spring and

mattress directly on the floor...the only thing to mess up

then is sheets...

 

Aj

Re: restraints

 

I've never considered restraints personally because I'd be

concerned in case of fire.

>

> Any of you all have to put your son/ daughter in

restraints at bedtime

> to prevent destruction in their rooms at night? Two

to three nights a

> week my son tears his room apart at bedtime.

Looking into Clonadine

> for help with s

[Guest guest]

You and me both !! He elaborates for his therapist and even hangs me out to dry too. He's honest and he doesn't shade things gray when they are black and white. If I yelled at him yesterday he is telling it all. To: autism-aspergers Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2011 9:35 PMSubject: Re: restraints

My son will answer all our questions with "I don't know" then he

goes to see a doctor and tells them everything. Kids can be

frustrating sometimes. Sometimes it is just asking the right

question at the right time. I just wish I knew the right question

and the right time came more often.

Ive talked to him at length. He first says I dont know,

then says his brain makes him do it

Thats all I ever get out of him.....He goes to therapy

every Wed. so maybe they can get it out of him..

--- Original Message ---

Sent: September 27, 2011 9/27/11

To: autism-aspergers

Subject: Re: restraints

Have you asked him why his brain tells him to do this?

Perhaps he knows what sets him off but not how to tell

you?

Restraints was not my first line of defense. But after a

year of spending a least an hour cleaning up whatever he's

destroyed and the thousand or more dollars, probably even

more than that of destruction, what else am I to do. He

goes to OT, psychologist, developmental dr., psychiatrist,

etc....many people helping him on a reg. basis, but we

cannot seem to figure out why he does this. He says, "His

brain tells him to do it." I have not done the

restraints yet, but I'm at the verge....I don't want to

tie his body to the bed, but maybe just his arms at his

sides...

To: autism-aspergers

Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2011 7:32 PM

Subject: Re: restraints

I think restraints would be a bad idea. My son can't

stand even having the bedclothes tucked in. I am the

same. It's probably the harder solution, but finding out

why he wrecks things and fixing that is the better option

in the long run.

I have two dressers, a box spring/ mattress combo on the

floor, but he still messes up all that. The mini blinds

are ruined. The box spring and the mattress have holes in

them. The window sill he has actually chewed on like a

puppy---wood missing, stuff carved out of his wooden

dresser, etc. I feel like these are the basics but he is

still destroying them

To: autism-aspergers

Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2011 6:01 PM

Subject: Re: restraints

I think that I have heard that it is better to take all

but necessities out of room....so just a bed, pillow,

etc. That is al that is necessary for sleeping. All

other "stuff" is kept in another room.

I think I have even heard to just put box spring and

mattress directly on the floor...the only thing to mess up

then is sheets...

Aj

Re: restraints

I've never considered restraints personally because I'd be

concerned in case of fire.

>

> Any of you all have to put your son/ daughter in

restraints at bedtime

> to prevent destruction in their rooms at night? Two

to three nights a

> week my son tears his room apart at bedtime.

Looking into Clonadine

> for help with s

[Guest guest]

The Intunive was a joke for my son. I hope your child does much better. My son

is very thin and short too.

--- Original Message ---

Sent: September 27, 2011 9/27/11

To: autism-aspergers

Subject: Re: restraints

 

he has been on it for 6 years...no more breast then normal. He takes vyvance

also for adhd so his evens itself out. We are now weaning him off of Vyvance to

Intunive, non stimulant for adhd, he has put on weight, a little, but he needs

to. This is a slow process.

Da

> With

risperdal I worry about male breast tissue and discharge, not as big of a deal

with a female because they are supposed to develop that breast tissue

eventually. I also worry about the weight gain. I wonder sometimes if he hears

things, but he hasnt told me so. Thanks!

>

> --- Original Message ---

>

>

> Sent: September 27, 2011 9/27/11

> To: autism-aspergers

> Subject: Re: restraints

>

>  

>

> My 10yr old son is on 2 sublingual tabs of clonidine, triliptal and respirdal

and doing quite well... he's been on respirdal for 5 years.  I understand you

not wanting to go the route of the atypical anti-psychotics, but in our case we

had no other choice with out 15yr old daughter... She has Aspergers, bipolar

w/psychosis, ADHD, and severe anxiety disorder.  She's currently taking 3

atypical antipsychotics...  120mg of geodon, 10mg of abilify, and 25mg of

seroquel.  We only use the seroquel as a PRN for when she hears the voices (her

psychosis) which right now is happening about 4-5 times a week roughly.  My

daughter last month was hospitalized when she had her psychotic breakdown, that

is when she was diagnosed with the psychosis, before that she was just diagnosed

with good ol'e fashioned bipolar disorder.  I personally think that geodon was

a lifesaver for us, it's a much better atypical than some of the others out

there on the market, but I also understand that your child is still so young

that you hate to see them on these types of drugs.  My daughter started her

atypicals when she was 9, so I've been where you are, I know it's hard, but it's

also so hard to see our children struggle just to survive to have a " normal "

lifestyle as well.  My daughter struggles every day, I see it in so many ways.

> I hope you find the answers that fit you and your child the best.  :-)

> Mimi

>

>

>

>  

>

>

>

>

>

> Please don't tell me clonidine didn't work   Grrrrr!!  he's starting that

tonight!!  No, no risperdal.  I'm afraid of giving him atypical anti psychotic

class meds.  I don't know what mtabs are.  We were giving him Tenex, 50 mg. of

Benadryl, and 6 mg. of melatonin for bedtime.  (Dr. didn't like it but she

agreed that he needed something to get him to sleep.  But you cannot take

Intuniv/ Tenex with Clonidine, so he went off the Intuniv and he's now on the

Clonodine and the melatonin for bed.  I pray it works with our son.  His name

is Tommy and he'll be 9 this month  

>

>

>

> He's on 54 mg. of Concerta in the morning with a 20 mg. short acting booster

dose of Ritilin, b/c the Concerta never kicked in for about an hr. and a half

and he was having trouble for the first hour or two of class last year.  That

is a lot of stimulants for a 8 yr. old but it works and he's very successful in

reg. education. 

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> Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2011 6:38 PM

> Subject: Re: restraints

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> Does your son take Resperitol? mtabs....quick realease....especially for

evenings, and mornings....clonadine never worked for our son. What other things

do you do to help him feel secure at bedtime? I would not restrain a child...i

would look for more professional help and or hospital if necessary till we got

medications worked out.

> Our son has Aspergers, ,he is 11.

>

> Da

>

>> Any of you all have to put your son/ daughter in restraints at bedtime to

prevent destruction in their rooms at night? Two to three nights a week my son

tears his room apart at bedtime. Looking into Clonadine for help with

sleep...not sure how well that'll work, but we'll see...

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MY SON IS SLEEPING!!!!!!!!!

--- Original Message ---

Sent: September 27, 2011 9/27/11

To: autism-aspergers

Subject: Re: restraints

 

My son will answer all our questions with " I don't know " then he goes to see a

doctor and tells them everything.  Kids can be frustrating sometimes. 

Sometimes it is just asking the right question at the right time.  I just wish

I knew the right question and the right time came more often.

 

Ive talked to him at length. He first says I dont know, then says his brain

makes him do it

Thats all I ever get out of him.....He goes to therapy every Wed. so maybe they

can get it out of him..

--- Original Message ---

Sent: September 27, 2011 9/27/11

To: autism-aspergers

Subject: Re: restraints

 

Have you asked him why his brain tells him to do this?  Perhaps he knows what

sets him off but not how to tell you?

 

Restraints was not my first line of defense.  But after a year of spending a

least an hour cleaning up whatever he's destroyed and the thousand or more

dollars, probably even more than that of destruction, what else am I to do.  He

goes to OT, psychologist, developmental dr., psychiatrist, etc....many people

helping him on a reg. basis, but we cannot seem to figure out why he does

this.  He says, " His brain tells him to do it. "     I have not done the

restraints yet, but I'm at the verge....I don't want to tie his body to the bed,

but maybe just his arms at his sides...

 

To: autism-aspergers

Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2011 7:32 PM

Subject: Re: restraints

 

I think restraints would be a bad idea.  My son can't stand even having the

bedclothes tucked in.  I am the same.  It's probably the harder solution, but

finding out why he wrecks things and fixing that is the better option in the

long run.

 

I have two dressers, a box spring/ mattress combo on the floor, but he still

messes up all that.  The mini blinds are ruined.  The box spring and the

mattress have holes in them.  The window sill he has actually chewed on like a

puppy---wood missing, stuff carved out of his wooden dresser, etc.  I feel like

these are the basics but he is still destroying them

 

To: autism-aspergers

Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2011 6:01 PM

Subject: Re: restraints

 

I think that I have heard that it is better to take all but necessities out of

room....so just a bed, pillow, etc.   That is al that is necessary for

sleeping.  All other " stuff " is kept in another room. 

 

I think I have even heard to just put box spring and mattress directly on the

floor...the only thing to mess up then is sheets...

 

Aj

Re: restraints

To: autism-aspergers

Date: Tuesday, September 27, 2011, 4:44 PM

I started putting a restraint around my son Marty's waist years ago just

to make sure he stayed in bed at night and didn't tear up his room, etc.

I tied one end around his waist and one end onto the metal bed frame. He

would still get up and drag the bed around the room at times, so I had

to make it pretty short so he couldn't do that.

Now that he doesn't get up on his own anymore we only put restraints on

his wrists at night so he doesn't pull out his food tube. They don't

seem to bother him much.

A lot of people may disapprove, but I've had to protect my son the best

way I knew how. There was one time it was bad though. I had the

restraint too long and he got up and fell over forward and couldn't get

back up, so hung there for a

[Guest guest]

mtabs of resperital are melt tabs  to put under the tongue...fast acting for morning or eve. It works with other stimulents for our son, vyvance was best with it.

Da

> Please don't tell me clonidine didn't work   Grrrrr!!  he's starting that tonight!!  No, no risperdal.  I'm afraid of giving him atypical anti psychotic class meds.  I don't know what mtabs are.  We were giving him Tenex, 50 mg. of Benadryl, and 6 mg. of melatonin for bedtime.  (Dr. didn't like it but she agreed that he needed something to get him to sleep.  But you cannot take Intuniv/ Tenex with Clonidine, so he went off the Intuniv and he's now on the Clonodine and the melatonin for bed.  I pray it works with our son.  His name is Tommy and he'll be 9 this month  

> > > He's on 54 mg. of Concerta in the morning with a 20 mg. short acting booster dose of Ritilin, b/c the Concerta never kicked in for about an hr. and a half and he was having trouble for the first hour or two of class last year.  That is a lot of stimulants for a 8 yr. old but it works and he's very successful in reg. education. 

> >  > > > > ________________________________> > To: autism-aspergers

> Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2011 6:38 PM> Subject: Re: restraints> > >   > Does your son take Resperitol? mtabs....quick realease....especially for evenings, and mornings....clonadine never worked for our son. What other things do you do to help him feel secure at bedtime? I would not restrain a child...i would look for more professional help and or hospital if necessary till we got medications worked out.

> Our son has Aspergers, ,he is 11.> > Da> >> Any of you all have to put your son/ daughter in restraints at bedtime to prevent destruction in their rooms at night? Two to three nights a week my son tears his room apart at bedtime. Looking into Clonadine for help with sleep...not sure how well that'll work, but we'll see...

>> > >

[Guest guest]

yeah us too....he has only started it for about three weeks now, small dose with weaning him off the vyvance....so pray it does same things for him, so he can put some weight on.

Thanks....

Da

> The Intunive was a joke for my son. I hope your child does much better. My son is very thin and short too.

> > --- Original Message ---> > > Sent: September 27, 2011 9/27/11> To: autism-aspergers

> Subject: Re: restraints> >   > > he has been on it for 6 years...no more breast then normal. He takes vyvance also for adhd so his evens itself out. We are now weaning him off of Vyvance to Intunive, non stimulant for adhd, he has put on weight, a little, but he needs to. This is a slow process.

> > Da> > > With risperdal I worry about male breast tissue and discharge, not as big of a deal with a female because they are supposed to develop that breast tissue eventually. I also worry about the weight gain. I wonder sometimes if he hears things, but he hasnt told me so. Thanks!

>> >> --- Original Message --->> >> >> Sent: September 27, 2011 9/27/11>> To: autism-aspergers

>> Subject: Re: restraints>> >>   >> >> My 10yr old son is on 2 sublingual tabs of clonidine, triliptal and respirdal and doing quite well... he's been on respirdal for 5 years.  I understand you not wanting to go the route of the atypical anti-psychotics, but in our case we had no other choice with out 15yr old daughter... She has Aspergers, bipolar w/psychosis, ADHD, and severe anxiety disorder.  She's currently taking 3 atypical antipsychotics...  120mg of geodon, 10mg of abilify, and 25mg of seroquel.  We only use the seroquel as a PRN for when she hears the voices (her psychosis) which right now is happening about 4-5 times a week roughly.  My daughter last month was hospitalized when she had her psychotic breakdown, that is when she was diagnosed with the psychosis, before that she was just diagnosed with good ol'e fashioned bipolar disorder.  I personally think that geodon was a lifesaver for us, it's a much better atypical than some of the others out there on the market, but I also understand that your child is still so young that you hate to see them on these types of drugs.  My daughter started her atypicals when she was 9, so I've been where you are, I know it's hard, but it's also so hard to see our children struggle just to survive to have a " normal " lifestyle as well.  My daughter struggles every day, I see it in so many ways.

>> I hope you find the answers that fit you and your child the best.  :-)>> Mimi>> >> >>

>>  >> >> >> >> >> >> Please don't tell me clonidine didn't work   Grrrrr!!  he's starting that tonight!!  No, no risperdal.  I'm afraid of giving him atypical anti psychotic class meds.  I don't know what mtabs are.  We were giving him Tenex, 50 mg. of Benadryl, and 6 mg. of melatonin for bedtime.  (Dr. didn't like it but she agreed that he needed something to get him to sleep.  But you cannot take Intuniv/ Tenex with Clonidine, so he went off the Intuniv and he's now on the Clonodine and the melatonin for bed.  I pray it works with our son.  His name is Tommy and he'll be 9 this month  

>> >> >> >> He's on 54 mg. of Concerta in the morning with a 20 mg. short acting booster dose of Ritilin, b/c the Concerta never kicked in for about an hr. and a half and he was having trouble for the first hour or two of class last year.  That is a lot of stimulants for a 8 yr. old but it works and he's very successful in reg. education. 

>> >>  >> >> >> >> To: autism-aspergers

>> Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2011 6:38 PM>> Subject: Re: restraints>> >>   >> >> Does your son take Resperitol? mtabs....quick realease....especially for evenings, and mornings....clonadine never worked for our son. What other things do you do to help him feel secure at bedtime? I would not restrain a child...i would look for more professional help and or hospital if necessary till we got medications worked out.

>> Our son has Aspergers, ,he is 11.>> >> Da>> >>> Any of you all have to put your son/ daughter in restraints at bedtime to prevent destruction in their rooms at night? Two to three nights a week my son tears his room apart at bedtime. Looking into Clonadine for help with sleep...not sure how well that'll work, but we'll see...

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[Guest guest]

Well done!  Enjoy it

 

MY SON IS SLEEPING!!!!!!!!!

--- Original Message ---

Sent: September 27, 2011 9/27/11

To: autism-aspergers

Subject: Re: restraints

 

My son will answer all our questions with "I don't know"

then he goes to see a doctor and tells them everything. 

Kids can be frustrating sometimes.  Sometimes it is just

asking the right question at the right time.  I just wish

I knew the right question and the right time came more

often.

On 28/09/2011 10:55 AM, srt12780@...

wrote:  

Ive talked to him at length. He first says I dont know,

then says his brain makes him do it

Thats all I ever get out of him.....He goes to therapy

every Wed. so maybe they can get it out of him..

--- Original Message ---

Sent: September 27, 2011 9/27/11

To: autism-aspergers

Subject: Re: restraints

 

Have you asked him why his brain tells him to do this? 

Perhaps he knows what sets him off but not how to tell

you?

 

Restraints was not my first line of defense.  But after a

year of spending a least an hour cleaning up whatever he's

destroyed and the thousand or more dollars, probably even

more than that of destruction, what else am I to do.  He

goes to OT, psychologist, developmental dr., psychiatrist,

etc....many people helping him on a reg. basis, but we

cannot seem to figure out why he does this.  He says, "His

brain tells him to do it."    I have not done the

restraints yet, but I'm at the verge....I don't want to

tie his body to the bed, but maybe just his arms at his

sides...

 

To: autism-aspergers

Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2011 7:32 PM

Subject: Re: restraints

 

I think restraints would be a bad idea.  My son can't

stand even having the bedclothes tucked in.  I am the

same.  It's probably the harder solution, but finding out

why he wrecks things and fixing that is the better option

in the long run.

 

I have two dressers, a box spring/ mattress combo on the

floor, but he still messes up all that.  The mini blinds

are ruined.  The box spring and the mattress have holes in

them.  The window sill he has actually chewed on like a

puppy---wood missing, stuff carved out of his wooden

dresser, etc.  I feel like these are the basics but he is

still destroying them

 

To: autism-aspergers

Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2011 6:01 PM

Subject: Re: restraints

 

I think that I have heard that it is better to take all

but necessities out of room....so just a bed, pillow,

etc.   That is al that is necessary for sleeping.  All

other "stuff" is kept in another room. 

 

I think I have even heard to just put box spring and

mattress directly on the floor...the only thing to mess up

then is sheets...

 

Aj

Re: restraints

To: autism-aspergers

Date: Tuesday, September 27, 2011, 4:44 PM

I started putting a restraint around my son Marty's waist

years ago just

to make sure he stayed in bed at night and didn't tear up

his room, etc.

I tied one end around his waist and one end onto the metal

bed frame. He

would still get up and drag the bed around the room at

times, so I had

to make it pretty short so he couldn't do that.

Now that he doesn't get up on his own anymore we only put

restraints on

his wrists at night so he doesn't pull out his food tube.

They don't

seem to bother him much.

A lot of people may disapprove, but I've had to protect my

son the best

way I knew how. There was one time it was bad though. I

had the

restraint too long and he got up and fell over forward and

couldn't get

back up, so hung there for a

[Guest guest]

Oh the peace that comes from a sleeping child......

--- Original Message ---

Sent: September 27, 2011 9/27/11

To: autism-aspergers

Subject: Re: restraints

 

Well done!  Enjoy it

 

MY SON IS SLEEPING!!!!!!!!!

--- Original Message ---

Sent: September 27, 2011 9/27/11

To: autism-aspergers

Subject: Re: restraints

 

My son will answer all our questions with " I don't know " then he goes to see a

doctor and tells them everything.  Kids can be frustrating sometimes. 

Sometimes it is just asking the right question at the right time.  I just wish

I knew the right question and the right time came more often.

 

Ive talked to him at length. He first says I dont know, then says his brain

makes him do it

Thats all I ever get out of him.....He goes to therapy every Wed. so maybe they

can get it out of him..

--- Original Message ---

Sent: September 27, 2011 9/27/11

To: autism-aspergers

Subject: Re: restraints

 

Have you asked him why his brain tells him to do this?  Perhaps he knows what

sets him off but not how to tell you?

 

Restraints was not my first line of defense.  But after a year of spending a

least an hour cleaning up whatever he's destroyed and the thousand or more

dollars, probably even more than that of destruction, what else am I to do.  He

goes to OT, psychologist, developmental dr., psychiatrist, etc....many people

helping him on a reg. basis, but we cannot seem to figure out why he does

this.  He says, " His brain tells him to do it. "     I have not done the

restraints yet, but I'm at the verge....I don't want to tie his body to the bed,

but maybe just his arms at his sides...

 

To: autism-aspergers

Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2011 7:32 PM

Subject: Re: restraints

 

I think restraints would be a bad idea.  My son can't stand even having the

bedclothes tucked in.  I am the same.  It's probably the harder solution, but

finding out why he wrecks things and fixing that is the better option in the

long run.

 

I have two dressers, a box spring/ mattress combo on the floor, but he still

messes up all that.  The mini blinds are ruined.  The box spring and the

mattress have holes in them.  The window sill he has actually chewed on like a

puppy---wood missing, stuff carved out of his wooden dresser, etc.  I feel like

these are the basics but he is still destroying them

 

To: autism-aspergers

Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2011 6:01 PM

Subject: Re: restraints

 

I think that I have heard that it is better to take all but necessities out of

room....so just a bed, pillow, etc.   That is al that is necessary for

sleeping.  All other " stuff " is kept in another room. 

 

I think I have even heard to just put box spring and mattress directly on the

floor...the only thing to mess up then is sheets...

 

Aj

Re: restraints

To: autism-aspergers

Date: Tuesday, September 27, 2011, 4:44 PM

I started putting a restraint around my son Marty's waist years ago just

to make sure he stayed in bed at night and didn't tear up his room, etc.

I tied one end around his waist and one end onto the metal bed frame. He

would still get up and drag the bed around the room at times, so I had

to make it pretty short so he couldn't do that.

Now that he doesn't get up on his own anymore we only put restraints on

his wrists

[Guest guest]

you can get free services from the state, for behaviorl and help at home. look up state agencys...i could try to send you a link

Da

> Im not aware of any such specialist but I can look into it. If it is expensive I prob couldn't afford it due to now living on one income. Everything is tight. We have three children. And we often have to replace the basics like beds, paint, repairs, toys, etc. But I fight for my little man so hopefully we will get some help soon.

> > --- Original Message ---> > > Sent: September 27, 2011 9/27/11> To: autism-aspergers

> Subject: Re: restraints> >   > > > Yes, that does sound like just the basics.  Does he get into the dressers?  If so, I would take those out of the room.>  

> Sounds like he has an oral need - sorry don't know what that is called.  Maybe you need to have something available for him to chew on instead of the wood?  >  > Have you consulted a home behavioralist?  Someone like that should be able to come to the house and see what type of set up you have and make recommendations I would think.

>  > Aj> > > > > > Re: restraints> >   > I've never considered restraints personally because I'd be concerned in case of fire.>

> >>>> Any of you all have to put your son/ daughter in restraints at bedtime >> to prevent destruction in their rooms at night? Two to three nights a

>> week my son tears his room apart at bedtime. Looking into Clonadine >> for help with sleep...not sure how well that'll work, but we'll see...>>>> > > ------------------------------------

> >

[Guest guest]

Our agency now does BHRS services......I dont know if Id have wraparound b/c we

have a therapist we really like!!!

--- Original Message ---

Sent: September 27, 2011 9/27/11

To: autism-aspergers

Subject: Re: restraints

 

you can get free services from the state, for behaviorl and help at home. look

up state agencys...i could try to send you a link

Da

> Im

not aware of any such specialist but I can look into it. If it is expensive I

prob couldn't afford it due to now living on one income. Everything is tight. We

have three children. And we often have to replace the basics like beds, paint,

repairs, toys, etc. But I fight for my little man so hopefully we will get some

help soon.

>

> --- Original Message ---

>

>

> Sent: September 27, 2011 9/27/11

> To: autism-aspergers

> Subject: Re: restraints

>

>  

>

>

> Yes, that does sound like just the basics.  Does he get into the dressers? 

If so, I would take those out of the room.

>  

> Sounds like he has an oral need - sorry don't know what that is called. 

Maybe you need to have something available for him to chew on instead of the

wood? 

>  

> Have you consulted a home behavioralist?  Someone like that should be able to

come to the house and see what type of set up you have and make recommendations

I would think.

>  

> Aj

>

>

>

>

>

> Re: restraints

> To: autism-aspergers

> Date: Tuesday, September 27, 2011, 4:44 PM

>

> I started putting a restraint around my son Marty's waist years ago just

> to make sure he stayed in bed at night and didn't tear up his room, etc.

> I tied one end around his waist and one end onto the metal bed frame. He

> would still get up and drag the bed around the room at times, so I had

> to make it pretty short so he couldn't do that.

>

> Now that he doesn't get up on his own anymore we only put restraints on

> his wrists at night so he doesn't pull out his food tube. They don't

> seem to bother him much.

>

> A lot of people may disapprove, but I've had to protect my son the best

> way I knew how. There was one time it was bad though. I had the

> restraint too long and he got up and fell over forward and couldn't get

> back up, so hung there for a few hours. When I got up and found him that

> way it was bad and we rushed him to the hospital and he had

> fibromyalasis. Not sure if that is the right word, anyway it was bad,

> deterioration of muscle. They had to admit him to the hospital and put

> him on a fast IV drip to flush his kidneys of the destructed tissue, or

> else it could have damaged them.

>

> After that I got a lower bed so it was impossible to hang out of it

> anymore if he got up to a standing position.

>

> Carolyn

>

[Guest guest]

You have probably mentioned his age in the past, but how old is he? Is he fully

awake when he is doing this? What about sleep hygiene, what other meds is he on?

Any allergies or nutritional concerns? What happens before bedtime? What is the

sound environment when he is going to sleep and while he sleeps? Do lights shine

into his room at times (headlights, etc.)? Is he verbal? Does he have pain or

have to go to the bathroom? Is he public schooled? Is he restrained in any way

in school? Is he anxious or destructive during the day at home with you? Does he

have a history of anxiety, aggression, day-time destruction or pain?

From your description, it sounds like an anxiety response. Is there any way you

can sleep in the same room? Restraints are dangerous for all of the mentioned

reasons. There has been a lot of research on sleep disorders in the last 20

years. Many current general practitioners are not up on this research.

Is there a sleep specialist in the picture? Is there a neurologist overseeing

his medical care? You may need to unflinchingly look at more aspects of this

problem then just HIS behavior. Sleep disorders are common and sometimes a

result of many,many different " little " things or " big " things, depending on the

child, the environment, the events he is exposed to, his ability to take in

sensory information, etc. etc, etc.

Priscilla

>

> Any of you all have to put your son/ daughter in restraints at bedtime to

prevent destruction in their rooms at night? Two to three nights a week my son

tears his room apart at bedtime. Looking into Clonadine for help with

sleep...not sure how well that'll work, but we'll see...

>

[Guest guest]

No sleep study, no snoring, no neuro dr yet. He is 9. He is fully awake and

couldnt blink if he wanted to. He is on concerta 54, ritalin 20 for an Am

booster dose, for AM meds. He weighs only 57 lbs. He is 33% BMI. No white

noise because Im afraid he'll break the machine. Light d does minimally come in

his window mostly b/c he messed up his blinds. Tonight he got .1 mg of

clonidine starting off low, 25 mg benadryl and 6 melatonin.

Hes verbal and always has been. He has AS. Speech is not an issue.

No pain. Public school, normal ed class with accomodations. No restraints have

ever been used ever. He is only destructive when alone day or night doesnt

matter. But we keep him in the same room during the day. He is no longer left

alone during the day so he is prevented from that behavior during the day.

Not willing to sleep in his room and take what little time my husband and I have

together and give it to him. He already monopolizes too much of my time, worry,

and mental wellness during the day. We have 3 kids. He is the oldest.

--- Original Message ---

Sent: September 27, 2011 9/27/11

To: autism-aspergers

Subject: Re: restraints

 

You have probably mentioned his age in the past, but how old is he? Is he fully

awake when he is doing this? What about sleep hygiene, what other meds is he on?

Any allergies or nutritional concerns? What happens before bedtime? What is the

sound environment when he is going to sleep and while he sleeps? Do lights shine

into his room at times (headlights, etc.)? Is he verbal? Does he have pain or

have to go to the bathroom? Is he public schooled? Is he restrained in any way

in school? Is he anxious or destructive during the day at home with you? Does he

have a history of anxiety, aggression, day-time destruction or pain?

From your description, it sounds like an anxiety response. Is there any way you

can sleep in the same room? Restraints are dangerous for all of the mentioned

reasons. There has been a lot of research on sleep disorders in the last 20

years. Many current general practitioners are not up on this research.

Is there a sleep specialist in the picture? Is there a neurologist overseeing

his medical care? You may need to unflinchingly look at more aspects of this

problem then just HIS behavior. Sleep disorders are common and sometimes a

result of many,many different " little " things or " big " things, depending on the

child, the environment, the events he is exposed to, his ability to take in

sensory information, etc. etc, etc.

Priscilla

>

> Any of you all have to put your son/ daughter in restraints at bedtime to

prevent destruction in their rooms at night? Two to three nights a week my son

tears his room apart at bedtime. Looking into Clonadine for help with

sleep...not sure how well that'll work, but we'll see...

>

[Guest guest]

Do you think it is possible that the destruction/tearing apart of objects is a

sensory thing? Picking, pulling apart, ripping, etc. are have in common the use

of motor and sensory information coming in. What does he do to self-sooth?

There is a LOT of information re meds (Concerta, etc.). Sometimes stimulant meds

create hypomanic conditions, metabolic syndrome, etc. There are some warnings

about using Concerta and clonidine. Here is site with interesting information:

http://www.adhdinfocentre.com/concerta/

It is an extremely difficult call for a parent. Also, re the speech as

non-issue. I think that one of the most frustrating things for people with AS is

that while their articulation is excellent and they can talk for hours on their

favorite subjects, often they have language/communication deficits for emotions,

understanding social complexities, rule rigidity, etc. If they have no

articulation issues and can manage a standard classroom, they are not evaluated

for any communication disorders. As a result, they often do not receive the

communication/social thinking/language therapy that can help them. Do you think

he can verbalize how the meds make him feel? If he cannot, then it's very easy

to assume all kinds of things.

Beside prescribing medications, what does his doctor say re his destructive

behavior? Has doc recommended a pediatric OT eval from OT who is trained in

sensory integration recognition/treatment?

The point is that behavior is communication - could be emotional, neurological,

etc. If destructive behavior is increasing when alone, this is definitely

something to figure out - why.

I wish I had more to offer you.

Priscilla

& #65279; & #65279;

> >

> > Any of you all have to put your son/ daughter in restraints at bedtime to

prevent destruction in their rooms at night? Two to three nights a week my son

tears his room apart at bedtime. Looking into Clonadine for help with

sleep...not sure how well that'll work, but we'll see...

> >

>

[Guest guest]

He

has an OT. She said he has oral sensory issues, but the things we leave in his room as positive things to chew on aren't what he uses. I think it's largely due to the amt of stimulants he has, but he's doing so well educationally in school that I don't want to mess with it. He has never really been a good self soother. Other than as a baby being able to cry himself to sleep he needs your attention 24/7. I wish I knew how to get him to be more independent but I give him an inch and he

takes a mile.

Yes,

he has some communication issues, but they aren't able to be addressed in the school setting and to be honest I really dont' want him pulled during school for it. He goes to a Speech and Language Pathologist at A.I Dupont hospital. I'm not sure if what she's working on is what he needs at the moment but he goes. To: autism-aspergers Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2011 3:21 AMSubject: Re: restraints

Do you think it is possible that the destruction/tearing apart of objects is a sensory thing? Picking, pulling apart, ripping, etc. are have in common the use of motor and sensory information coming in. What does he do to self-sooth?

There is a LOT of information re meds (Concerta, etc.). Sometimes stimulant meds create hypomanic conditions, metabolic syndrome, etc. There are some warnings about using Concerta and clonidine. Here is site with interesting information: http://www.adhdinfocentre.com/concerta/

It is an extremely difficult call for a parent. Also, re the speech as non-issue. I think that one of the most frustrating things for people with AS is that while their articulation is excellent and they can talk for hours on their favorite subjects, often they have language/communication deficits for emotions, understanding social complexities, rule rigidity, etc. If they have no articulation issues and can manage a standard classroom, they are not evaluated for any communication disorders. As a result, they often do not receive the communication/social thinking/language therapy that can help them. Do you think he can verbalize how the meds make him feel? If he cannot, then it's very easy to assume all kinds of things.

Beside prescribing medications, what does his doctor say re his destructive behavior? Has doc recommended a pediatric OT eval from OT who is trained in sensory integration recognition/treatment?

The point is that behavior is communication - could be emotional, neurological, etc. If destructive behavior is increasing when alone, this is definitely something to figure out - why.

I wish I had more to offer you.

Priscilla

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Keep in mind that when it comes to meds, no two people are alike. What works for

1 person, may not for a another. Don't discount the meds you are trying until

they don't work for HIM. Don't worry about whether or not they worked for

someone else- no two people are the same in how they act or react.

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prevent destruction in their rooms at night? Two to three nights a week my son

tears his room apart at bedtime. Looking into Clonadine for help with

sleep...not sure how well that'll work, but we'll see...

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Don't be afraid of a medication just because of the name of the class it's in. My son is not psychotic, but he is low functioning, nonverbal and gets very hyper at times (squealing, jumping, etc). First, we tried Concerta, then Tennex and were not happy with the results/side effects--I don't want him to pass out and sleep for 4 hours in the morning. We found a new doctor, and she wanted to try Risperdal. He takes a very low dose (.25mg) in the morning, and it's just enough to calm him down to where he is able to sit down and do school work without getting up and jumping every 3 minutes; and he is not falling asleep. He is also less impulsive and does not go up to people and pinch, bite, scratch, etc. He is, however sleeping a lot

better at night with these new pills. Honestly, I would be more concerned about giving my son so many stimulants and sleeping pills. I have seen no side effects with Risperdal--I know no two people are alike, but I'm just saying don't judge a med. just because of the class it's in:)

Carla

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My daughter tears up her room everynight. I don't keep anything in there that

can hurt her or is expensive. Any toys or electronics are put in a closet before

bedtime. I don't feel she's trying to tear up stuff - it's just her way of

playing with things and she can stay up ALL night while I can't.

Hope that helps

Cammy

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> > > Any of you all have to put your son/ daughter in restraints at bedtime to

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Toys are easy to remove, but how about wooden window sills, carpet, wooden floors, his bed, his window blinds, etc...he doesn't discriminate. It's all fair game! The clonidine has been helping get him to sleep before the destruction starts. The trick for him is to give it to him an HOUR before bed!! To: autism-aspergers Sent: Wednesday, October 5, 2011 2:26 PMSubject: Re: restraints

My daughter tears up her room everynight. I don't keep anything in there that can hurt her or is expensive. Any toys or electronics are put in a closet before bedtime. I don't feel she's trying to tear up stuff - it's just her way of playing with things and she can stay up ALL night while I can't.

Hope that helps

Cammy

http://stores.ebay.com/Cammys-Clothing-Treasures

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