how NOT to power clean and power snatch

[Guest guest]

Check out these videos of power cleans and power snatches, which are

apparently supposed to be examples to be imitated:

http://istvanjavorek.com/book/pc.htm

http://istvanjavorek.com/book/ps.htm

As someone still learning Olympic lifting, these videos are certainly

of value to me, though perhaps not as they were intended to be.

Corvin

Toronto, Canada

[Guest guest]

Excellent eye Byron! Unfortunately it's one of the most common

mistakes with novices in Olympic Weightlifting. Normally as the

athletes perform a good clean, they will come onto the balls of

their feet as they finish the drive of the second pull. Since they

have to reposition quickly to squat width to pull themselves under

the bar, they shuffle FAST to squat width, hence, the loud stomp.

Another common mistake of novices is that in their haste to master

the lifts to the squat position, they will " dive " under the bar,

without any extension. In the case of those videos, the jump/stomp

is superfluous since it is not following any explosive extension of

the involved structures. The coach is to blame for this. A good

athlete/lifter follows the coach's instructions and trusts that the

has the know-how. The producer of the video also claims to be the

trainer of Dragomir Ciroslan and many other elite athletes. I heard

from other coaches that were as aghast as I was, that this guy was

supposed to be good. I hope he gets to post soon and explains that

technique of his, which although it bears certain ressemblance to

OL, it's FAR from the real thing, or from delivering the benefits

proper OL provides to athletes.

Israel A.

Clifton, NJ

>

> Does it seem like these guys are jumping but not ever

> getting fully extended? I have a lot to learn with

> the olympic lifts too.

>

> Byron Chandler

> Scranton, Penna., USA

>

>

[Guest guest]

Mr. Coronado and Mr. ,

First, I was coached by Dragomir Cioroslan, along with Wes Barnett,

at the Olympic Training Center as a resident athlete. Both Dragomir

Cioroslan and Wes Barnett WERE coached by Istvan Javorek for a time,

so anyone who says different is ignorant and rash to say otherwise.

In fact, as I recall, Coach Javorek was one of Dragomir's first

coaches, if not his first. I believe he was his first coach.

Second, the rationale behind the technique used in the videos at

question was NOT that there needs to be a change in lifting technique

because an athlete is training for sport enhancement rather than the

sport of weightlifting. I saw Coach Javorek answer these criticisms

on goheavy.com, and his rationale was that he did not obsess (my

paraphrasing) about exacting technique with non-weightlifters since

they could get much of the benefit from the lifts without spending

the necessary time and energy to master the lifts as a weightlifter

must do.

I strongly disagree with this rationale, but it certainly seems

reasonable and I think there is some truth to it. And, Coach Javorek

has in NO way misrepresented his resume. I know him personally and

have great respect for him.

LeRoux

MS (Exercise Science), CSCS, USAW Regional Coach

> > > >

> > > > Does it seem like these guys are jumping but not

> > > ever

> > > > getting fully extended? I have a lot to learn

> > > with

> > > > the olympic lifts too.

> > > >

> > > > Byron Chandler

> > > > Scranton, Penna., USA

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

I think you may be confusing the postings in here with the

ones that you read at " Go Heavy " . I don't think anyone here has

attacked his credentials (as it was done in the aforementioned

site). If not, then you did not read my reply to Coach Javorek's

posting. I suggest that you please do so. Finally, Coach Javorek

and I have been in friendly, professional communication lately, in

fact he replied privately to my previous posting with an excellent

explanation. I've ordered his book and I will pay him a visit at

his Head Quarters next summer. I believe he's a wealth of info, and

those clips, though not representing exactly what we look for, in no

way diminish his accomplishments. I hope you took the time to post

your reply in " Go Heavy " as well. They could use your side of the

story. It's nice to see you stand-up for your coach. I'm sure he

appreciates it. Good luck!

Israel A.

Clifton, NJ