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Hi Peggy,

I'm not sure what practical use a machine like this to

the athlete, however , my main comment would be that

anaerobic threshold is not a good predictor of VO2

Max. An elite distance runner will have an anaerobic

threshold of approximately 80--85% of VO2 Max, whilst

an untrained individual might be down around 50--60%.

In other words, anaerobic threshold will change with

appropriate training. It is of more use to ascertain

the velocity at which VO2 Max and anaerobic threshold

is achieved. I suggest that you locate some of the

work by Veronique Billet on how to use practical

methods to establish those parameters and how to use

them in a training programme.

Pedrick,

Adelaide,

South Australia.

--- Peggy Bowes wrote:

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> Greetings,

>

> I have a question regarding ventilatory threshold:

> I am considering purchasing a VO2 measuring machine

> that measures ventilatory threshold in order to

> caluclate VO2max. The premise used is that

> ventilatory threshold approximates anaerobic

> threshold.

>

> Is this a valid assumption?

>

> The equation used is the ACSM- equation, which

> I can't seem to find anywhere.

>

> Is anyone familiar with the ACSM- equation?

> Can anyone direct me to studies, websites,

> textbooks, etc. that would help me learn more?

>

> The person selling the machine claims that the

> results are accurate within 4% of a gas-calibrated

> VO2 measuring device. He is also marketing a device

> with an oxygen sensor which is accurate to 1-2% of a

> gas-calibrated testing device, but it is much more

> expensive.

>

> Is 4% " close enough " for the average person?

>

> Any advice/help would be greatly appreciated!

>

> Regards,

> Peggy Bowes

> Mesa, AZ

>

> [Non-text portions of this message have been

> removed]

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

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Thanks for your insight, . However, the equations for the machine do NOT

assume that anaerobic threshold equals VO2 max but that ventilatory threshold

equals anaerobic threshold which is used to *predict* VO2 max. The VO2max

number is not critical to the program, but rather the heart rate associated with

ventilatory threshold, which is used as the basis for a cardio program based on

heart rate. I'd like to know if equating ventilatory threshold with anaerobic

threshold is a valid assumption.

Regards,

Peggy Bowes

Mesa, AZ

Re: Ventilatory threshold

Hi Peggy,

I'm not sure what practical use a machine like this to

the athlete, however , my main comment would be that

anaerobic threshold is not a good predictor of VO2

Max. An elite distance runner will have an anaerobic

threshold of approximately 80--85% of VO2 Max, whilst

an untrained individual might be down around 50--60%.

In other words, anaerobic threshold will change with

appropriate training. It is of more use to ascertain

the velocity at which VO2 Max and anaerobic threshold

is achieved. I suggest that you locate some of the

work by Veronique Billet on how to use practical

methods to establish those parameters and how to use

them in a training programme.

Pedrick,

Adelaide,

South Australia.

--- Peggy Bowes wrote:

>

>

> Greetings,

>

> I have a question regarding ventilatory threshold:

> I am considering purchasing a VO2 measuring machine

> that measures ventilatory threshold in order to

> caluclate VO2max. The premise used is that

> ventilatory threshold approximates anaerobic

> threshold.

>

> Is this a valid assumption?

>

> The equation used is the ACSM- equation, which

> I can't seem to find anywhere.

>

> Is anyone familiar with the ACSM- equation?

> Can anyone direct me to studies, websites,

> textbooks, etc. that would help me learn more?

>

> The person selling the machine claims that the

> results are accurate within 4% of a gas-calibrated

> VO2 measuring device. He is also marketing a device

> with an oxygen sensor which is accurate to 1-2% of a

> gas-calibrated testing device, but it is much more

> expensive.

>

> Is 4% " close enough " for the average person?

>

> Any advice/help would be greatly appreciated!

>

> Regards,

> Peggy Bowes

> Mesa, AZ

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With regards to the question:

does ventilatory threshold approximate anaerobic

threshold?

I would suggest that you check out: “Exercise

Physiology “ McArdle Katch and Katch 4th edition

Chapter 14 “Dynamics of Pulmonary Ventilation” -

specifically pg 254- great chart showing the

relationship between Ventilatory Threshold and Lactate

Threshold as well as OBLA (Onset of Blood Lactate

Accumulation)

Many authors have abandoned the term Anaerobic

Threshold in favor of lactate threshold and Obla

(these are two different conditions).

With regards to AT (lactate threshold or OBLA) and VO2

max it is important to realize that, depending on many

different factors including the fitness level of the

subject , AT may occur in some (untrained individuals)

as low as 55% of VO2 max or in others (elite endurance

athletes) as high as 90% of VO2 max.

Another Variable for AT is the activity which an

individual is undertaking. For instance and

individual’s AT while running is not the same as their

AT while cycling or swimming.

As an example Lance Armstrong’s AT is in the vicinity

of 90% of his VO2 max while riding a bicycle. If you

were to test for his AT while running it would

probably be closer to 75% of VOmax.

For more information on VO2 max go to:

(http://home.hia.no/~stephens/vo2max.htm)

It is also important to realize that both AT and VO2

max will change independently with increased aerobic

fitness and weight loss.

For more info go to:

(http://home.hia.no/~stephens/exphys.htm)

An alternative and inexpensive method of estimating

the heart rate at which AT occurs would be the Conconi

test. All that is required for this test is a

reliable heart rate monitor, a treadmill or bicycle

ergometer (with graded resistance) a stop watch and

some graphing paper. The test takes about 15 minutes.

for details on the test go to:

http://www.brianmac.demon.co.uk/coni.htm

Unfortunately I no longer have the original article

by Dr. Conconi, perhaps someone else on the list can

furnish that information.

I am not sure why you would need an oxygen sensor

unless you are dealing with individuals with severe

lung disease. I cannot think of a single situation in

which a “healthy” individual would have less thant 98%

Oxygen saturation while exercising. (except perhaps if

he/she is training at high altitude).

If you purchase one of Polar’s heart rate monitors

(in my opinion the most reliable on the market) they

have several models which will also calculate an

individuals VO2 max. (look for models that measure

“Own Index”- Polars name for VO2max)

Ralph Giarnella MD

Southington Ct USA

" Peggy Bowes " wrote::

Greetings,

I have a question regarding ventilatory threshold: I

am considering purchasing

a VO2 measuring machine that measures ventilatory

threshold in order to

caluclate VO2max. The premise used is that

ventilatory threshold approximates

anaerobic threshold.

Is this a valid assumption?

The equation used is the ACSM- equation, which

I can't seem to find

anywhere.

Is anyone familiar with the ACSM- equation? Can

anyone direct me to

studies, websites, textbooks, etc. that would help me

learn more?

The person selling the machine claims that the

results are accurate within 4% of

a gas-calibrated VO2 measuring device. He is also

marketing a device with an

oxygen sensor which is accurate to 1-2% of a

gas-calibrated testing device, but

it is much more expensive.

Is 4% " close enough " for the average person?

Any advice/help would be greatly appreciated!

Regards,

Peggy Bowes

Mesa, AZ

" Peggy Bowes " wrote::

.......  The VO2max number is not critical to the

program, but rather the heart rate associated with

ventilatory threshold, which is used as the basis for

a cardio program based on heart rate.  I'd like to

know if equating ventilatory threshold with anaerobic

threshold is a valid assumption

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Peggy Bowes wrote:

>

>

> Greetings,

>

> I have a question regarding ventilatory threshold:

> I am considering purchasing a VO2 measuring

machine

> that measures ventilatory threshold in order to

> caluclate VO2max. The premise used is that

> ventilatory threshold approximates anaerobic

> threshold.

>

> Is this a valid assumption?

>

Hi Peggy,

You mention that this machine measures VL in order to

calculate VO2 Max. As I pointed out in my previous

post, both VL and AT are highly variable depending on

the level of aerobic fitness and therefore are poor

predictors of VO2 Max. AT can be also be affected by

diet (low glycogen levels following training and

inadequate replenishment). Ingestion of caffeine has

been shown to influence VT but not AT (Costill et al

1978). VT may be similar to AT, but not necessarily

so, there may be a 10 to 15% difference depending on

the testing protocol used.

Arthur Weltman " The Blood Lactate Response to

Exercise " Human Kinetics gives an excellent overview

of the relevent research in this area.

I suspect that most runners are very good at

exercising at VT, or slightly below, simply by

monitoring their breathing frequency. Equally many

athletes don't use a heart-rate watch as the results

are subject to many external variations which render

the HR readings unreliable, e.g. cardiac drift during

extended endurance sessions.

Pedrick,

Adelaide,

South Australia.

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