Guest guest Posted February 4, 2004 Report Share Posted February 4, 2004 Kai, I also have experienced elbow pain from BW exercises. I am left handed and the pain was in the left elbow. I am betting that you are right handed, since your pain is in the right elbow. I believe that this has to do with the way we work with two arms. The stress doesn't divide equally between both limbs, but rather the strong limb works harder. I have not seen any research on this, so it is only a theory. I suffered elbow pain from a regime of high volume pushups. I stopped for a short while until the pain subsided. I then returned to heavy lifting on an abbreviated HG type routine. After a few months I went back to BW exercises and had no problem. I have since been rotating the two types of training. From your description it is not clear if you tried to isolate the exercise injuring your elbow. Try not doing pushups but continue with chins and see what happens. Anyway I would take a rest first. BTW, a common misconception is that BW exercises will not cause injuries. This is absolutely untrue, as you yourself can testify. Yehoshua Zohar Karmiel, Israel Message: 2 Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2004 12:09:35 -0000 Subject: Elbow pain Hello all, This is my first post herein, so let me introduce myself rapidly. My name is Kai, born in 1965 from an english mother and an estonian father. I was born in Helsinki and live in Geneva Switzerland since the age of 3. I am the happy father of three children, (11), Cloe (8) and Lea (5). My current emphasis is on bodyweight exercises, kind going back to some basics pure strength development. I have pain in the external part of my right elbow. I don't have it in the left elbow. I do very few exercises for the upper body, I do pushups, supine and prone chins, sometime hindu pushups, (I dropped the deadlift momentarily because of back pain) and back bridges. I used to do the chins in an supine only position with hands quite close. I thought that maybe I was getting some abuse of the same position so I have started doing them with hands at shoulder width and varying hand positions in supine, prone and commando style. The pain in the elbow isn't getting any better. Has anyone had similar problems with bodyweight exercises? Thanks in advance for your concerns, Kai Taimsalu Geneva Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 12, 2004 Report Share Posted February 12, 2004 Kai, It sounds like you are experiencing a number of problems, of which grip position may be only one. You have not said anything about the volume of work you are doing, how hard you are pushing, and how often you are training. Also, you have said nothing about how you are eating or whether you are getting adequate rest and sleep. Since you are experiencing multiple injuries, the underlying training error may be on a more fundamental level of excess in the former, and/or inadequacy in the latter. Detail-wise, if you are experiencing back pain, I would drop Hindu pushups immediately. Rapidly switching from an extreme loaded spinal extension to flexion (depending upon your form and hip mobility) while fatigued certainly won't help anything. If you are having pain in the deadlift, it is likely you need coaching on proper form, and/or need to develop the capability to brace/stiffen your back in a neutral position, not flop the spine back and forth through an extreme ROM. With pushups, once you are sure you aren't overdoing it in some way, I suggest trying a pair of pushup handles or using small hexagonal dumbells as handles. This will allow you to do the pushups without the extreme wrist bending required by hands flat-on-floor position, and may enable your elbow to bend less awkwardly. As Y.Z. said, bodyweight exercises are not inherently mistake or injury-proof. You may want to get some coaching/instruction from someone with experience - particularly for feedback on your exercise technique, but also on the fundamental elements of your overall routine's design. Wilbanks ville, FL > Kai, > > I also have experienced elbow pain from BW exercises. I am left handed and > the pain was in the left elbow. I am betting that you are right handed, > since your pain is in the right elbow. I believe that this has to do with > the way we work with two arms. The stress doesn't divide equally between > both limbs, but rather the strong limb works harder. I have not seen any > research on this, so it is only a theory. > > I suffered elbow pain from a regime of high volume pushups. I stopped for a > short while until the pain subsided. I then returned to heavy lifting on an > abbreviated HG type routine. After a few months I went back to BW exercises > and had no problem. I have since been rotating the two types of training. > From your description it is not clear if you tried to isolate the exercise > injuring your elbow. Try not doing pushups but continue with chins and see > what happens. Anyway I would take a rest first. > > BTW, a common misconception is that BW exercises will not cause injuries. > This is absolutely untrue, as you yourself can testify. > > Yehoshua Zohar > Karmiel, Israel > > Message: 2 > Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2004 12:09:35 -0000 > From: " kai_taimsalu " <kai_taimsalu@y...> > Subject: Elbow pain > > Hello all, > > This is my first post herein, so let me introduce myself rapidly. My > name is Kai, born in 1965 from an english mother and an estonian > father. I was born in Helsinki and live in Geneva Switzerland since > the age of 3. I am the happy father of three children, (11), > Cloe (8) and Lea (5). > > My current emphasis is on bodyweight exercises, kind going back to > some basics pure strength development. > > I have pain in the external part of my right elbow. I don't have it > in the left elbow. I do very few exercises for the upper body, I do > pushups, supine and prone chins, sometime hindu pushups, (I dropped > the deadlift momentarily because of back pain) and back bridges. > > I used to do the chins in an supine only position with hands quite > close. I thought that maybe I was getting some abuse of the same > position so I have started doing them with hands at shoulder width > and varying hand positions in supine, prone and commando style. > > The pain in the elbow isn't getting any better. Has anyone had > similar problems with bodyweight exercises? > > Thanks in advance for your concerns, > Kai Taimsalu > Geneva Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 6, 2004 Report Share Posted June 6, 2004 > A friend of mine asked me the following question but I > really don't know what to tell him and I don't want to give > him incorrect advice. If anyone could help me out I > would appreciate it. I think it is tendinitis but I'm > not sure. > > > " I was working a Westside barbell type routine, and it > was going well. Towards the end of it though, > especially when I benched, I would feel a pain around > my elbow. At first I thought it was just from lack of > stretching, so I dropped benching for awhile and let > it rest for a few weeks. Than, it hit again, and I > thought it was tendinitis, so I bought a tennis-elbow > strap thing for your arm. After taking 3 more weeks > off, of lifting, I came back today and loaded up 225 > and threw it up once, and after that 1 rep I had a > GREAT pain in my elbow. It was painful and numb. After > that it got better, but it only seems to hurt when I > bench and dip. Any ideas? " > > Layne Norton > Eckerd College St. Pete FL USA YES! you should have some iperactive trigger points in your muscles. You should begin to check for them on the triceps, brachioradialis, supraspinatus,, anconeus, estensors and supinator, if the problem is referred to the outer elbow...if to the inner, you should check triceps, pectoralis maior and minor, serratus anterior and posterior suerior. You should fine as a little nodule in the tissue, and you should massage that point in the same direction (up and down or left and right or in circle) wih your thumb feeling a pain 8 on a scale 0-10, for 1 minute...you should or could repeat that treatment for 4-5 times a day too. This way is useful to re-establish blood flow and bring new oxygen to the tissue, driving away metabolic wastes and reestablishing the right neural impulse to the muscles. Dr Stefano elli Civitavecchia Italy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 6, 2004 Report Share Posted June 6, 2004 > A friend of mine asked me the following question but I > really don't know what to tell him and I don't want to give > him incorrect advice. If anyone could help me out I > would appreciate it. I think it is tendinitis but I'm > not sure. > > > " I was working a Westside barbell type routine, and it > was going well. Towards the end of it though, > especially when I benched, I would feel a pain around > my elbow. At first I thought it was just from lack of > stretching, so I dropped benching for awhile and let > it rest for a few weeks. Than, it hit again, and I > thought it was tendinitis, so I bought a tennis-elbow > strap thing for your arm. After taking 3 more weeks > off, of lifting, I came back today and loaded up 225 > and threw it up once, and after that 1 rep I had a > GREAT pain in my elbow. It was painful and numb. After > that it got better, but it only seems to hurt when I > bench and dip. Any ideas? " > > Layne Norton > Eckerd College St. Pete FL USA YES! you should have some iperactive trigger points in your muscles. You should begin to check for them on the triceps, brachioradialis, supraspinatus,, anconeus, estensors and supinator, if the problem is referred to the outer elbow...if to the inner, you should check triceps, pectoralis maior and minor, serratus anterior and posterior suerior. You should fine as a little nodule in the tissue, and you should massage that point in the same direction (up and down or left and right or in circle) wih your thumb feeling a pain 8 on a scale 0-10, for 1 minute...you should or could repeat that treatment for 4-5 times a day too. This way is useful to re-establish blood flow and bring new oxygen to the tissue, driving away metabolic wastes and reestablishing the right neural impulse to the muscles. Dr Stefano elli Civitavecchia Italy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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