Re: last call for CODEX

July 27, 2005

Hi Bruce,

First I want to say that my understanding of CODEX is a bit different then yours. I have gathered my info from someone who is an attorney, sits on the table of the Council for Responsible Nutrition. He is an owner of a very large supplement Manufacturer, so he has everything to lose if what you are saying is true. He helps sway the vote on this issue of CODEX. He is not concerned at all about this and thinks it is a good thing, the last time I heard him talk was last week.

There seems to be conflicting ideas on this forum because yesterday when the subject of "Glyconutrients" was mentioned people started screaming "Double Blind studies please". If everyone is so concerned with the saftey of simple food supplements such as Glyconutrients, then these regulations should be welcomed. You simple cannot have it both ways. Even though I do not believe things are coming down the way you say they are, companies that already have these standards in place are not concerned at all. I for one think it is a good thing to have all these small fly by night companies either get Good Manufacturing Practices or close down.. The estimates right now are there are 20,000 companies supplying supplements, 2,000 of these companies supply 80% of the market. When these regulations come down, there will be 2,000 companies left and they will dominate the market. I guess for companies not in the 2,000 they are the ones who are the most upset. Yes there are some very good small companies with very high standards, but the majority are crooks giving people the idea that supplements don't work. Some of these inferior products can actually harm people and this is not right.People are always asking for cheap, and how can you have high quality ingredients, strict testing and quality assurance turn out cheap?? Again you can't have it both ways.

So what do you think is an answer?? Do you want double blind studies or not?? If not quit asking for them when it comes to simple food supplements. Double blind studies are for toxic drugs and even then we have seen the results from these so called "safety tested" drugs. I will look forward to having only reputable companies who practices GMP's making supplements available. I know how to find these companies now, but most do not.

-- [low dose naltrexone] last call for CODEX

For those of you who have not been following the under-publicized event called CODEX, here is a short course. As of 1 August in Europe, more than ¾ of everything we consider readily accessible as a vitamin, mineral, or supplement will be banned from sale. This is not a joke. This is not a misprint or mistake. It is absolute FACT!

While we sat here in the U.S., fat, dumb, and happy, the World Trade Organization, the World Health Organization, and our own wonderful government have sold us and the majority of the world down the tubes for the benefit of big dollars in the pharmaceutical industry. I am not a conspiracy theorist. I am not anti-business. I am not even anti medical establishment. I am simply stating the facts as they exist at this moment in time.

Without going into lots of ugly detail that is easily obtainable, what is happening is that unless you, as a manufacturer are willing to foot the bill for extensive testing to “prove” your supplements are not harmful, they will be banned from manufacture and distribution. So, you won’t even be able to give them away because you will be guilty of a federal crime.

Now we have a law on the books called DESHA that was supposed to protect our rights as citizens of this country from the threat of loosing our vitamins, minerals and supplements. The FDA was stopped dead in their tracks as long as those manufacturing and distributing supplements did not make claims that the products are treating or curing diseases. And, unless someone died of gross negligence on the part of the manufacturer or distributor, all of our supplements can (as of right now) be sold as nutritional supplements. End of story.

However, when congress votes tonight or tomorrow, or no later than Friday on passing CAFTA (Central American Free Trade Agreement) and it passes, article 6 within those pages of free trade garbage will force our government to comply with ALL of the regulations set down by the World Trade Organization and that includes CODEX as defined by the World Health Organization.

So what, you say? Well the short story version is that DESHA will be thrown out because it is in conflict with the rulings of the world court and the WTO. That means that all of our supplements will either have to be federally tested and approved or they will cease to exist.

Time and space for only 1 example: Iron is something that most people really do get enough of in their diet. Most iron deficiencies are not really deficiencies, but rather the inability of the body to utilize the iron that is already present. Lets just set that aside for the moment. Because too much iron in your diet can be harmful, the WHO through the auspices of the WTO have proclaimed that any product with IRON in it will be banned unless there is incontrovertible proof in studies done to the satisfaction of the FDA (in the US) that the level of iron present in the product in question is safe. That means that unless you pony up the dollars, your basic multi-vitamin with iron will become a thing of the past unless you purchase a pharmaceutical company version of it WITH A PRESCRIPTION FROM YOUR DOCTOR! Are you getting the picture? Where is the money trail? Who is protected from what? And who is laughing all the way to the bank?

I just got off the phone with one of my friends in the UK who is a supplier of supplements I recommend to people fighting cancer. I use the product myself. The UK health agency has gone to him and told him that in order for his 2 products to remain on the market (never mind that he has hundreds of users who have never shown a side effect and the products themselves have a 200 year safe history), he will have to pay over $3,000,000 (US equivalent) per item for testing. He told me that he never expected to gross that amount let alone net and still have profit left over. What are his options? None. Will the 49 documented studies published on PUBMED have any bearing on this decision? NO. The reality is that if he continues to sell his products in the UK, he will go to jail.

That is what is coming here. Most vitamin, mineral, and supplement suppliers are little mom and pop type operations. (less than 50 employees). Most have multiple products. Guess what is going to happen to them in 3 years? What is going to happen to your supplement supply in 3 years?

Are you getting the picture?

The clock is at the 11th hour plus. Within the next 3 or 4 days, the whole game is about to finish. Win or loose, the game will be over. We are not going to be able to go back and reset the clock. We are not going to be able to take another vote. WAKE UP PEOPLE. There is precious little time left.

The senate passed CAFTA on 2 July. The president signed the CAFTA bill last year pending ratification in congress. All that is left for this nightmare to begin is one little vote in congress and our rights are tubed again.

Get on the phone, get to your emails, whatever it takes but contact everyone and anyone you can think of to fight this. Contact your congressman. Contact all the congressmen from your state and tell them to vote NO on CAFTA because of article 6, CODEX.

Of course you can choose to be complacent because there are only a couple of things you use. So what. Your Dr can write a scrip for your vitamins and the insurance company will pick up all but the copay. So what? Well, the little guy gets screwed again. Your complacency will effect all of us. It is not too late, but there is only moments before this is yet another opportunity lost.

Where do you Stand? Can you justify sitting on your hands while more of your freedoms are stripped away? Can you excuse yourself from this because you just don’t want to get involved?

I work with terminal people every single day that are staying alive only because of supplements. The mainstream medical community has already condemned them to death. What happens when that becomes you? How will you feel about it then?

Bruce Guilmette, Ph.D.

Survive Cancer Foundation, Inc.

http://www.survivecancer.net

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July 27, 2005

Nowhere did I ever call for or

express an opinion that double blind placebo studies have much relevance in

medicine. I will not debate the issue, because this is not the forum for

that. There are dozens of books published on the fallacy of such studies; the

skewing of statistics; the loading of test parameters, etc… Even the AMA

and the FDA no longer call for them in chemo because they are worthless tests.

CHEMO today is tested by comparing one known drug against an unknown or a

combination of the known and unknown. Nobody in their right mind would agree

to participate in a test where you have a 50/50 chance of getting no help.

Right now, they are even having trouble getting people to fill chemo trials

with known parameters simply because of the toxicity and the prior history of falsified

documentation by some of the major hospitals in the world. This is all part of

public record, not something I am making up.

At no time did I ever state that

glyconutrients were bad or needed to be studied. I have recommended the use of

them to several people and think that when the condition warrants, they are the

right thing to do. I do object to your misconstruing my call for studies. If

I have made that statement anywhere, please show me and I will bow and scrape

and apologize humbly. As long as you brought up the subject, you were the one

who stated that anything other than Manatech glyconutrients were inferior. Would

you like me to send you a copy of what you wrote? That in itself is a misrepresentation

of fact!

The fact is that we have DESHA in

place. Perhaps you are not aware of the regulations that surround it? Is

there a need for more, if so why? I am a very strong supporter of DESHA. I go

out of my way to be sure to never make claims about curing anything. I go out

of my way to be sure that people understand the risks involved in any

supplemental regimen. Yet, what I see from a number of people that represent

and/or sell products (which I do not do) is touting them as salvation in a

bottle. That is wrong, regardless of how big or small the company; how good or

bad the product. That is exactly what DESHA is supposed to prevent and

properly enforced, it shuts down or brings into compliance companies that make

unjustified claims for cure or treatment. I have no problem with that. Do you?

Companies are already required by DESHA to report errant behavior, toxicity

issues, etc…Failure on their part to do so can land them in jail and shut

the company down. What more do you want?

I deal with a number of places that

manufacture products that are quite large and well known and they also seem

somewhat upset. There is a unnecessary burden being placed upon the consumer in

the guise of protecting us from ourselves. Why are you so hell bent on adding

additional costs and restrictions? Every single day, there is an assault on

our freedoms to choose what we wish to use for ourselves.

The last published statistics I have

from the FDA on deaths by drugs show that in 2003, 32 people died from all

forms of vitamin, mineral, and supplement miss-use, abuse, or misapplication.

In the same year, over 23,000 people died from miss-use, abuse, or misapplication

of prescription drugs that are heavily regulated and controlled. Which is more

dangerous to society? More people take vitamins, minerals, and supplements by

a majority of 3:1 over conventional, prescribed medications. (AMA numbers from

2002) Who is more endangered by ready access to supplements? The general

population or corporations?

Yes, you can bet I am upset by the

potential of CODEX passing. Everyone should be simply because of governmental

interference and restrictions. Get the government out of my life and stay out

with more mandated safety features. Let me and tens of thousands of others

treat themselves as they see fit.

I work almost exclusively with

terminal cancer people who have already been written of by the medical

profession. You are telling me that by removing what they choose to use, you

re going to make their lives better and safer? I think not.

The same goes for anyone who wishes

to use a supplement of choice.

Bruce Guilmette, Ph.D.

Survive Cancer Foundation, Inc.

http://www.survivecancer.net

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Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2005

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Subject: Re: [low dose naltrexone]

last call for CODEX

Hi

Bruce,

First I

want to say that my understanding of CODEX is a bit different then yours. I

have gathered my info from someone who is an attorney, sits on the table of

the Council for Responsible Nutrition. He is an owner of a very large

supplement Manufacturer, so he has everything to lose if what you are saying

is true. He helps sway the vote on this issue of CODEX. He is not

concerned at all about this and thinks it is a good thing, the last time I

heard him talk was last week.

There

seems to be conflicting ideas on this forum because yesterday when the

subject of " Glyconutrients " was mentioned people started

screaming " Double Blind studies please " . If everyone is so

concerned with the saftey of simple food supplements such as Glyconutrients,

then these regulations should be welcomed. You simple cannot have it both

ways. Even though I do not believe things are coming down the way you say

they are, companies that already have these standards in place are not

concerned at all. I for one think it is a good thing to have all these

small fly by night companies either get Good Manufacturing Practices or close

down.. The estimates right now are there are 20,000 companies supplying

supplements, 2,000 of these companies supply 80% of the market. When these

regulations come down, there will be 2,000 companies left and they will

dominate the market. I guess for companies not in the 2,000 they

are the ones who are the most upset. Yes there are some very good small

companies with very high standards, but the majority are crooks giving people

the idea that supplements don't work. Some of these inferior products can

actually harm people and this is not right.People are always asking for

cheap, and how can you have high quality ingredients, strict testing and

quality assurance turn out cheap?? Again you can't have it both ways.

So what

do you think is an answer?? Do you want double blind studies or not??

If not quit asking for them when it comes to simple food supplements. Double

blind studies are for toxic drugs and even then we have seen the results from

these so called " safety tested " drugs. I will look forward to

having only reputable companies who practices GMP's making supplements

available. I know how to find these companies now, but most do not.

-- [low dose naltrexone] last call for

CODEX

For those of you who have not been

following the under-publicized event called CODEX, here is a short

course. As of 1 August in Europe,

more than ¾ of everything we consider readily accessible as a vitamin,

mineral, or supplement will be banned from sale. This is not a

joke. This is not a misprint or mistake. It is absolute FACT!

While we sat here in the U.S.,

fat, dumb, and happy, the World Trade Organization, the World Health

Organization, and our own wonderful government have sold us and the majority

of the world down the tubes for the benefit of big dollars in the

pharmaceutical industry. I am not a conspiracy theorist. I am not

anti-business. I am not even anti medical establishment. I am simply

stating the facts as they exist at this moment in time.

Without going into lots of ugly

detail that is easily obtainable, what is happening is that unless you, as a

manufacturer are willing to foot the bill for extensive testing to

“prove” your supplements are not harmful, they will be banned

from manufacture and distribution. So, you won’t even be able to

give them away because you will be guilty of a federal crime.

Now we have a law on the books

called DESHA that was supposed to protect our rights as citizens of this

country from the threat of loosing our vitamins, minerals and

supplements. The FDA was stopped dead in their tracks as long as those

manufacturing and distributing supplements did not make claims that the

products are treating or curing diseases. And, unless someone died of

gross negligence on the part of the manufacturer or distributor, all of our

supplements can (as of right now) be sold as nutritional supplements.

End of story.

However, when congress votes

tonight or tomorrow, or no later than Friday on passing CAFTA (Central

American Free Trade Agreement) and it passes, article 6 within those pages of

free trade garbage will force our government to comply with ALL of the

regulations set down by the World Trade Organization and that includes CODEX

as defined by the World Health Organization.

So what, you say? Well the

short story version is that DESHA will be thrown out because it is in conflict

with the rulings of the world court and the WTO. That means that all of

our supplements will either have to be federally tested and approved or they

will cease to exist.

Time and space for only 1

example: Iron is something that most people really do get enough of in

their diet. Most iron deficiencies are not really deficiencies, but

rather the inability of the body to utilize the iron that is already

present. Lets just set that aside for the moment. Because too

much iron in your diet can be harmful, the WHO through the auspices of the

WTO have proclaimed that any product with IRON in it will be banned unless

there is incontrovertible proof in studies done to the satisfaction of

the FDA (in the US) that the level of iron present in the product in question

is safe. That means that unless you pony up the dollars, your basic

multi-vitamin with iron will become a thing of the past unless you purchase a

pharmaceutical company version of it WITH A PRESCRIPTION FROM YOUR

DOCTOR! Are you getting the picture? Where is the money trail?

Who is protected from what? And who is laughing all the way to the bank?

I just got off the phone with one

of my friends in the UK

who is a supplier of supplements I recommend to people fighting cancer.

I use the product myself. The UK health agency has gone to him and told

him that in order for his 2 products to remain on the market (never mind that

he has hundreds of users who have never shown a side effect and the products

themselves have a 200 year safe history), he will have to pay over $3,000,000

(US equivalent) per item for testing. He told me that he never expected

to gross that amount let alone net and still have profit left over.

What are his options? None. Will the 49 documented studies published

on PUBMED have any bearing on this decision? NO. The reality is that if

he continues to sell his products in the UK,

he will go to jail.

That is what is coming here.

Most vitamin, mineral, and supplement suppliers are little mom and pop type

operations. (less than 50 employees). Most have multiple products.

Guess what is going to happen to them in 3 years? What is going to

happen to your supplement supply in 3 years?

Are you getting the picture?

The clock is at the 11th

hour plus. Within the next 3 or 4 days, the whole game is about to

finish. Win or loose, the game will be over. We are not going to

be able to go back and reset the clock. We are not going to be able to

take another vote. WAKE UP PEOPLE. There is precious little time

left.

The senate passed CAFTA on 2

July. The president signed the CAFTA bill last year pending

ratification in congress. All that is left for this nightmare to begin

is one little vote in congress and our rights are tubed again.

Get on the phone, get to your

emails, whatever it takes but contact everyone and anyone you can think of to

fight this. Contact your congressman. Contact all the congressmen

from your state and tell them to vote NO on CAFTA because of article 6, CODEX.

Of course you can choose to be

complacent because there are only a couple of things you use. So

what. Your Dr can write a scrip for your vitamins and the insurance

company will pick up all but the copay. So what? Well, the little

guy gets screwed again. Your complacency will effect all of us.

It is not too late, but there is only moments before this is yet another

opportunity lost.

Where do you Stand? Can you

justify sitting on your hands while more of your freedoms are stripped

away? Can you excuse yourself from this because you just don’t

want to get involved?

I work with terminal people every

single day that are staying alive only because of supplements. The

mainstream medical community has already condemned them to death.

What happens when that becomes you? How will you feel about

it then?

Bruce Guilmette, Ph.D.

Survive Cancer Foundation, Inc.

http://www.survivecancer.net

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July 28, 2005

Hi Bruce,

I am sorry for the way the letter was addressed to you and then later was directed to all. I did not mean to imply that you had said those things. I am not trying to start a fight, I agree with most the things that you say, just that I hear the extreme on both sides. I don't think the sky is falling on supplements, but I may find out that I am wrong. An example of where CODEX would help: right now one companies products cannot be sold in the UK because they do not allow anything that is not normally grown in their country. SO they had to reformulate the product. With the new "Risk Assessment" guide lines, a product would be accepted based on those guide lines alone, and then the UK would be able to use the products. It would basically standardize things because right now for any supplement manufacturer that does business in many countries, they have to have different formulas for each country. I hear people complaining they feel there should be studies before they want to spend there money on supplements, then when more regulations are coming down, they are not happy with that. I realize most people are still caught in the drug paradigm and so double blind studies is something that has always been accepted as norm. I am not one for more government, believe me I don't want it any more then you, but if there is no stopping it, then I think perhaps it is better to work with them and help them make better decisions that can help everyone in the long run.

As far as anything being taken off the market immediately, right now the only thing being discussed is vitamins and minerals, nothing else.

So my 2cents worth, probably worth even less then that!