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Hello all,

Got some free advice about this and the Dr. (once ranked in the top

ten of his weight class) recommended for mass doing 2 workouts a day

3-4 times a week of 3-5 sets of 10-12 reps, at least to start the

cycle. Now, I respect this man but that seems like a lot of frequency

for me, especially at my highly advanced age of 35. Plus, I don't

want to be sore all the time, so that's a concern.

If I were to do just squats and deads, some rows and presses in this

fashion, I still think I would wear myself ragged. Doing squats 6

times a week? Okay, maybe only 3 sets of 10 and not coming that close

to failure might leave me enough energy to do them again later that

week. I suppose I could do 3-5 sets of 10 of some percentage of 1RM

and be able to do them again in a couple of days. If I had to.

What I was thinking of doing, based upon the research I've done, is

do 3-10 sets of 12 reps squats and some higher rep sets of rows on

Monday, and then some presses on Thursday. (That's the first part of

my cycle anyway) Then doing deads the next WEEK. Is this not enough

volume?

Whenever I've tried doing more volume I've tended to overtrain, get

tired, get sick. But of course I was using too much intensity and

training to failure with each set (thanks for nothing HIT). Maybe if

I was using less weight it would be sustainable.

So, how often does everyone squat? I am not a beginner, but learning

all the time.

This fellow ranks pretty high in my esteem, but I am wondering what

you all thought of doing squats, or deads for that matter, more than

once per week?

Thanks

Impy McFerguson

Fargo, ND

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I'm not suprised that someone would have had good success with the routine you

described.

I recently read a biography of , " God's mightiest preacher "

Somedays he used to do squats all day long at the family farm, sometimes using

home made apparatus. Whole milk was the sport drink he sipped between sets and I

got the impression his efforts were sub maximal both in weight used and in never

going to failure, but the volume spread out through the day would have been

tremendous.

I'm not a bodybuilder but I understand that Bill Pearl used to leave a rep or

two in the bag and did more sets and greater volume that way. I'm sure there are

many variations in Olympic lifting ie: the Bulgarian method. I haven't read

Siff's Supertraining in awhile so I can't quote chapter or verse where this

might have been covered..anyone else out there??

Hal Lloyd

Nome Alaska

Impy McFerguson wrote:

Hello all,

Got some free advice about this and the Dr. (once ranked in the top

ten of his weight class) recommended for mass doing 2 workouts a day

3-4 times a week of 3-5 sets of 10-12 reps, at least to start the

cycle. Now, I respect this man but that seems like a lot of frequency

for me, especially at my highly advanced age of 35. Plus, I don't

want to be sore all the time, so that's a concern.

If I were to do just squats and deads, some rows and presses in this

fashion, I still think I would wear myself ragged. Doing squats 6

times a week? Okay, maybe only 3 sets of 10 and not coming that close

to failure might leave me enough energy to do them again later that

week. I suppose I could do 3-5 sets of 10 of some percentage of 1RM

and be able to do them again in a couple of days. If I had to.

What I was thinking of doing, based upon the research I've done, is

do 3-10 sets of 12 reps squats and some higher rep sets of rows on

Monday, and then some presses on Thursday. (That's the first part of

my cycle anyway) Then doing deads the next WEEK. Is this not enough

volume?

Whenever I've tried doing more volume I've tended to overtrain, get

tired, get sick. But of course I was using too much intensity and

training to failure with each set (thanks for nothing HIT). Maybe if

I was using less weight it would be sustainable.

So, how often does everyone squat? I am not a beginner, but learning

all the time.

This fellow ranks pretty high in my esteem, but I am wondering what

you all thought of doing squats, or deads for that matter, more than

once per week?

Thanks

Impy McFerguson

Fargo, ND

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With anything except light endurance-level loads, that kind of squat

workload definitely sounds nutty to me.

Capacities for intensity/frequency/volume vary widely among

individuals. If you don't have a clear idea of what works for you

based on your own experience, I suggest experimenting upon yourself

to obtain this information. This way you won't have to believe Dr.

Whoever or try to choose between the opinions of others. The way to

do this is to measure your own progress via lifting performance.

Many do this via periodic RM testing, but there is another, simpler

way to measure more frequently: namely, using your performance in

each workout as measurement. Bascially, you set up a scheme with

volume/frequency/intensity in reasonable parameters and shoot for

fairly linear progress in the form of better performance each week

or each workout. If performance stagnates for a few weeks or

declines, this is your negative feedback, and a signal to change one

of the parameters.

If you want to try this scheme, measuring volume and frequency is

strictly quantitative, but for intensity, you'll use a subjective

assessment of " ______ reps from failure " .

For instance, you could set up a plan whereby you start doing 2 or 3

worksets of squats about 1-2 reps from failure in the 8-10 rep

range - that is you stop at the point where you know you could do

one more, but probably not two without failing partway. Let's say

you start out doing this twice per week. You start adding a pound

or two per workout, or a rep every week and you are able to do this

at rougly the same intensity level. If you can keep it up... great,

you know it's working. If you want faster/better progress, maybe

you increase the intensity every workout or every other, or you add

a set, or you try to do it 3 times per week. Whatever. The point

is that you only change one variable at a time and cruise along for

a little while to make sure it's working sustainably. If, at some

point, you change a variable and performance stagnates or

decreases... great, now you have concrete knowledge about exactly

where a line is for you. Once you start to accumulate this kind of

real self-knowledge, you will be more able to progress to more

complicated schemes like heavy/med/light, or other kinds of

periodisation, because you won't be just guessing at how to set up

the parameters of your routine.

This kind of plan probably isn't suitable for advanced athletes, but

for those of us who are mere recreational athletes or fitness

enthusiasts, I think it is a very workable system that can eliminate

much guessing. Credit where credit is due: the writings and message

board of Casey Butt largely taught me this method and got me

results. You can read his many articles for free on his

weightrainer site: http://www.engr.mun.ca/~butt/index.html

Wilbanks

ville, FL

> Hello all,

>

> Got some free advice about this and the Dr. (once ranked in the

top

> ten of his weight class) recommended for mass doing 2 workouts a

day

> 3-4 times a week of 3-5 sets of 10-12 reps, at least to start the

> cycle. Now, I respect this man but that seems like a lot of

frequency

> for me, especially at my highly advanced age of 35. Plus, I don't

> want to be sore all the time, so that's a concern.

>

> If I were to do just squats and deads, some rows and presses in

this

> fashion, I still think I would wear myself ragged. Doing squats 6

> times a week? Okay, maybe only 3 sets of 10 and not coming that

close

> to failure might leave me enough energy to do them again later

that

> week. I suppose I could do 3-5 sets of 10 of some percentage of

1RM

> and be able to do them again in a couple of days. If I had to.

>

> What I was thinking of doing, based upon the research I've done,

is

> do 3-10 sets of 12 reps squats and some higher rep sets of rows on

> Monday, and then some presses on Thursday. (That's the first part

of

> my cycle anyway) Then doing deads the next WEEK. Is this not

enough

> volume?

>

> Whenever I've tried doing more volume I've tended to overtrain,

get

> tired, get sick. But of course I was using too much intensity and

> training to failure with each set (thanks for nothing HIT). Maybe

if

> I was using less weight it would be sustainable.

>

> So, how often does everyone squat? I am not a beginner, but

learning

> all the time.

>

> This fellow ranks pretty high in my esteem, but I am wondering

what

> you all thought of doing squats, or deads for that matter, more

than

> once per week?

>

> Thanks

> Impy McFerguson

> Fargo, ND

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Hi

At the moment I am squatting 4 times a week Mon, Wed, Fri and Sat. Mon is 4

set of 9 (70%), wed is 5 sets of 7(75%), fri is 7 sets of 5(80%) and sat is

10 sets of 3(85%).

Mon and wed are quite easy, not really working that hard, but fri and sat it

starts to get heavy.

The whole process is built up over 3 weeks with 10kg added week 2 and 5kg

week 3, I then change to a lower frequency for the next few weeks.

I am obviously focusing on squats during those few weeks so everything else

is worked at a much lower level of intensity.

This is part of a program that was designed by Master of Sports S. Y.

Smolov. Carry out a search on google to find out more.

I've had good results with this program, it is hard work but the results are

worth it.

Iain Murray

Aberdeen, Scotland

Squat frequency question?

Hello all,

Got some free advice about this and the Dr. (once ranked in the top

ten of his weight class) recommended for mass doing 2 workouts a day

3-4 times a week of 3-5 sets of 10-12 reps, at least to start the

cycle. Now, I respect this man but that seems like a lot of frequency

for me, especially at my highly advanced age of 35. Plus, I don't

want to be sore all the time, so that's a concern.

If I were to do just squats and deads, some rows and presses in this

fashion, I still think I would wear myself ragged. Doing squats 6

times a week? Okay, maybe only 3 sets of 10 and not coming that close

to failure might leave me enough energy to do them again later that

week. I suppose I could do 3-5 sets of 10 of some percentage of 1RM

and be able to do them again in a couple of days. If I had to.

What I was thinking of doing, based upon the research I've done, is

do 3-10 sets of 12 reps squats and some higher rep sets of rows on

Monday, and then some presses on Thursday. (That's the first part of

my cycle anyway) Then doing deads the next WEEK. Is this not enough

volume?

Whenever I've tried doing more volume I've tended to overtrain, get

tired, get sick. But of course I was using too much intensity and

training to failure with each set (thanks for nothing HIT). Maybe if

I was using less weight it would be sustainable.

So, how often does everyone squat? I am not a beginner, but learning

all the time.

This fellow ranks pretty high in my esteem, but I am wondering what

you all thought of doing squats, or deads for that matter, more than

once per week?

Thanks

Impy McFerguson

Fargo, ND

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At this time I would ask Hobman to relate his experience again with

the (sic?) Korte 3x3 workouts, which advocated sq/bp/dl 3x a week

with varying intensities.

Part of the question would also be this - if by DR you mean Dr. Fred

Hatfield, was he not primarily known for his squat? (just to clarify, given

we have several Ph.D. here on the List and Mel himself was Dr. Siff..) Thus

leading to Dr. Hatfield's clear wish to squat more often?

Kuc had a workout published in PLUSA which called for 2x a week

deadlifting. <grin> Mr. Kuc was MUCH famed for his powerful deadlift.

Many strong benchers suggest 2x a week benching.

If squat is your favorite lift OR if you require better form and feel more

emphasis would improve you as a lifter overall, then perhaps more than one

squat workout a week will benefit you. Personally I'm a puller so I'd lean

toward that Kuc workout if I ever wanted to take the plunge into " more than

once a week " in a lift myself. Performing one of the powerlifts more often

than 1x a week is either a correction for form or other issues OR a

reinforcement of a prevailing strength that does not show in the other two

lifts. It seems to mostly be of the two extremes, not the way of a lifter

who is more balanced in the three competed lifts. Doing more of what you

LOVE or what you well, HATE to either be better at your best OR better at

your worst event.

That's my opinion on the topic, I believe we have several good PL on the

list who might comment as well.

The Phantom

aka Schaefer, CMT, CSCS, competing powerlifter

Denver, Colorado, USA

It was written:

> Hello all,

>

> Got some free advice about this and the Dr. (once ranked in the top

> ten of his weight class) recommended for mass doing 2 workouts a day

> 3-4 times a week of 3-5 sets of 10-12 reps, at least to start the

> cycle. Now, I respect this man but that seems like a lot of frequency

> for me, especially at my highly advanced age of 35. Plus, I don't

> want to be sore all the time, so that's a concern.

>

> If I were to do just squats and deads, some rows and presses in this

> fashion, I still think I would wear myself ragged. Doing squats 6

> times a week? Okay, maybe only 3 sets of 10 and not coming that close

> to failure might leave me enough energy to do them again later that

> week. I suppose I could do 3-5 sets of 10 of some percentage of 1RM

> and be able to do them again in a couple of days. If I had to.

>

> What I was thinking of doing, based upon the research I've done, is

> do 3-10 sets of 12 reps squats and some higher rep sets of rows on

> Monday, and then some presses on Thursday. (That's the first part of

> my cycle anyway) Then doing deads the next WEEK. Is this not enough

> volume?

>

> Whenever I've tried doing more volume I've tended to overtrain, get

> tired, get sick. But of course I was using too much intensity and

> training to failure with each set (thanks for nothing HIT). Maybe if

> I was using less weight it would be sustainable.

>

> So, how often does everyone squat? I am not a beginner, but learning

> all the time.

>

> This fellow ranks pretty high in my esteem, but I am wondering what

> you all thought of doing squats, or deads for that matter, more than

> once per week?

>

> Thanks

> Impy McFerguson

> Fargo, ND

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