Guest guest Posted December 18, 2003 Report Share Posted December 18, 2003 Hey all, Anyone have direct experience with the Vertimax device? If so I'd appreciate your feedback. Thank You Staley, Las Vegas, Nevada Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 1, 2004 Report Share Posted January 1, 2004 , Concerning an aparatus that " enhances " jumping ability through the use of cords, etc., I totally agree with you. I am definitely not a bells-'n'-whistles type of guy. However, the Vertimax is a device used to record vertical jump testing values. This piece of equipment has a great amount of value for a coach dealing with large amounts of athletes, and is the most reliable way to test the VJ that I have seen. S. Capps Assistant Strength & Conditioning Coach Baylor University Waco TX ________________________________ From: Burkhardt Sent: Fri 12/26/2003 12:02 PM To: Supertraining Subject: Re: Vertimax > Hey all, > > Anyone have direct experience with the Vertimax device? If so I'd appreciate your > feedback. > > Thank You > > Staley, > Las Vegas, Nevada Hi , How's your training business doing in Las Vegas? I hope well. I do not have any experience with the Vertimax but I do have a problem with it. Mainly, what does this device do that can't be accomplished with a weighted vest, a barbell or pair of dumbbells for that matter!? I'm not sure of their exact price, but I'd bet they're over a thousand dollars. That $ could be spent on an Eleiko competition bar and a pair (or two) of bumpers or a whole bunch of weighted vests. Like I said, I have never worked with this device. If anyone can cite any special advantages to training on a Vertimax vs. doing a variety of plain old weighted jumps (using equipment that most weight rooms already have - $1,000.00+ vs. free), I'm all ears. Burkhardt Irvine, CA Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 4, 2004 Report Share Posted January 4, 2004 In a message dated 1/4/2004 5:09:23 AM Central Standard Time, _Capps@... writes: > Concerning an aparatus that " enhances " jumping ability through the use of cords, etc., I totally agree with you. I am definitely not a bells-'n'-whistles type of guy. However, the Vertimax is a device used to record vertical jump testing values. This piece of equipment has a great amount of value for a coach dealing with large amounts of athletes, and is the most reliable way to test the VJ that I have seen.< Actually, the VERTEC is what is used to measure vertical jump. The Vertimax is an expensive jumping platform containing elastic cords that add resistance to the user's jump. They are entirely different beasts. I think the Vertimax does produce greater muscular endurance relative to jumping but jump squats of various lighter loads can produce similar results for a fraction of the cost.... and much more versatility. Chad " Hakdaddy " Hackler, B.S., C.S.C.S. Xtreme AthletiX Dallas, Texas Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 4, 2004 Report Share Posted January 4, 2004 We need to clarify. The Vertec is the apparatus that is used to record VJ, (it has the plastic flaps at the top). The Vertimax is a jump training device utilizing a platform and resistance bands attached to a belt, the Vertimax is unique in that it has the cords travel under the platform and allows for a much smoother resistance without a big change in the amount of resistance applied to the athlete as they squat - jump etc. Addicott MS, P.T., CSCS Phoenix, AZ Re: Vertimax > Hey all, > > Anyone have direct experience with the Vertimax device? If so I'd appreciate your > feedback. > > Thank You > > Staley, > Las Vegas, Nevada Hi , How's your training business doing in Las Vegas? I hope well. I do not have any experience with the Vertimax but I do have a problem with it. Mainly, what does this device do that can't be accomplished with a weighted vest, a barbell or pair of dumbbells for that matter!? I'm not sure of their exact price, but I'd bet they're over a thousand dollars. That $ could be spent on an Eleiko competition bar and a pair (or two) of bumpers or a whole bunch of weighted vests. Like I said, I have never worked with this device. If anyone can cite any special advantages to training on a Vertimax vs. doing a variety of plain old weighted jumps (using equipment that most weight rooms already have - $1,000.00+ vs. free), I'm all ears. Burkhardt Irvine, CA Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 6, 2004 Report Share Posted January 6, 2004 / I have found the use of the " Jump mat " system very good especially for large groups - measures time in air and calculates vertical jump - also can do multiple jumps as well as single Wyon MSc CSCS Course Leader for MSc Applied Sport and Exercise Science and Postgraduate Certificate in Dance Science University of Wolverhampton School of Sport, Performing Arts and Leisure Tel 01902-323144 Fax 01902-323295 Re: Vertimax > , > Concerning an aparatus that " enhances " jumping ability through the use of cords, etc., I totally agree with you. I am definitely not a bells-'n'-whistles type of guy. However, the Vertimax is a device used to record vertical jump testing values. This piece of equipment has a great amount of value for a coach dealing with large amounts of athletes, and is the most reliable way to test the VJ that I have seen. > > S. Capps > Assistant Strength & Conditioning Coach > Baylor University > Waco TX , I think you're talking about the Vertec. Burkhardt Irvine, CA Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 6, 2004 Report Share Posted January 6, 2004 Hello there.. Concerning Vertimax or cord/band based vertical jump training: It is something that you the good coach, can easily live without. But if you are studying every single parameter of vertical jump performance, I think it will be a very useful tool. Let me be more specific.. The strength/time curve during the vertical jump has some essential characteristics (RFD, IRFD, MxS). The Vertimax device provides some unusual loading during the performance of one single jump. The torque of the external resistance (cord tension) will be increased when the working muscles happen to be in a mechanical disadvantage and the movement enters a phase of acceleration. During a heavy squat, the external load (barbell) has a torque that diminishes when the body starts to accelerate. If one coach, has recorded the force-time curve during the vertical jump of his athlete and had noticed something unusual in the rate of force development(for example early force peaking), this would indicate the a good implementation for Vertimax. What do you think about that?... I am still studying it. Thanks for your time Tassos I. Zikas MSc Strength Coach of the Greek Beach-Volleyball Olympic Teams Elite Sport Services Ag.Trifonos Str. 23 PO BOX 16561 A.Glyfada Athens GREECE Tel.: +300 2109648448 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 6, 2004 Report Share Posted January 6, 2004 Hello there.. Concerning Vertimax or cord/band based vertical jump training: It is something that you the good coach, can easily live without. But if you are studying every single parameter of vertical jump performance, I think it will be a very useful tool. Let me be more specific.. The strength/time curve during the vertical jump has some essential characteristics (RFD, IRFD, MxS). The Vertimax device provides some unusual loading during the performance of one single jump. The torque of the external resistance (cord tension) will be increased when the working muscles happen to be in a mechanical disadvantage and the movement enters a phase of acceleration. During a heavy squat, the external load (barbell) has a torque that diminishes when the body starts to accelerate. If one coach, has recorded the force-time curve during the vertical jump of his athlete and had noticed something unusual in the rate of force development(for example early force peaking), this would indicate the a good implementation for Vertimax. What do you think about that?... I am still studying it. Thanks for your time Tassos I. Zikas MSc Strength Coach of the Greek Beach-Volleyball Olympic Teams Elite Sport Services Ag.Trifonos Str. 23 PO BOX 16561 A.Glyfada Athens GREECE Tel.: +300 2109648448 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 7, 2004 Report Share Posted January 7, 2004 Happy New Year Supertrainers! In following this discussion there seems to be a bit of confusion as to what is a Vertimax. A Vertimax is a platform with elastic cords hooked to it which allows for squat jumps. We have done similar training with the jump stretch device and it is excellent for vertical jump improvement. However you can get similar results with a light(30-60% of 1 RM) barbell. The Vertec is a device( a upright pole with movable plastic vanes that stick out horizontally at .5 " incriments) that is generally used to measure vertical jump but as Coach Capps mentioned you can also do some good jump training drills with the device. I have used one for many years with good results. Dan Wathen, Youngstown (OH) State University In Supertraining , " Capps, " <_Capps@b...> wrote: > , > Concerning an aparatus that " enhances " jumping ability through the use of cords, etc., I totally agree with you. I am definitely not a bells-'n'-whistles type of guy. However, the Vertimax is a device used to record vertical jump testing values. This piece of equipment has a great amount of value for a coach dealing with large amounts of athletes, and is the most reliable way to test the VJ that I have seen. > > S. Capps > Assistant Strength & Conditioning Coach > Baylor University > Waco TX > ________________________________ > > From: Burkhardt [mailto:emburkha@u...] > Sent: Fri 12/26/2003 12:02 PM > To: Supertraining > Subject: Re: Vertimax > > > > > Hey all, > > > > Anyone have direct experience with the Vertimax device? If so I'd > appreciate your > > feedback. > > > > Thank You > > > > Staley, > > Las Vegas, Nevada > > Hi , > > How's your training business doing in Las Vegas? I hope well. > > I do not have any experience with the Vertimax but I do have a > problem with it. Mainly, what does this device do that can't be > accomplished with a weighted vest, a barbell or pair of dumbbells > for that matter!? I'm not sure of their exact price, but I'd bet > they're over a thousand dollars. That $ could be spent on an Eleiko > competition bar and a pair (or two) of bumpers or a whole bunch of > weighted vests. > > Like I said, I have never worked with this device. If anyone can > cite any special advantages to training on a Vertimax vs. doing a > variety of plain old weighted jumps (using equipment that most > weight rooms already have - $1,000.00+ vs. free), I'm all ears. > > Burkhardt > Irvine, CA Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 7, 2004 Report Share Posted January 7, 2004 Happy New Year Supertrainers! In following this discussion there seems to be a bit of confusion as to what is a Vertimax. A Vertimax is a platform with elastic cords hooked to it which allows for squat jumps. We have done similar training with the jump stretch device and it is excellent for vertical jump improvement. However you can get similar results with a light(30-60% of 1 RM) barbell. The Vertec is a device( a upright pole with movable plastic vanes that stick out horizontally at .5 " incriments) that is generally used to measure vertical jump but as Coach Capps mentioned you can also do some good jump training drills with the device. I have used one for many years with good results. Dan Wathen, Youngstown (OH) State University In Supertraining , " Capps, " <_Capps@b...> wrote: > , > Concerning an aparatus that " enhances " jumping ability through the use of cords, etc., I totally agree with you. I am definitely not a bells-'n'-whistles type of guy. However, the Vertimax is a device used to record vertical jump testing values. This piece of equipment has a great amount of value for a coach dealing with large amounts of athletes, and is the most reliable way to test the VJ that I have seen. > > S. Capps > Assistant Strength & Conditioning Coach > Baylor University > Waco TX > ________________________________ > > From: Burkhardt [mailto:emburkha@u...] > Sent: Fri 12/26/2003 12:02 PM > To: Supertraining > Subject: Re: Vertimax > > > > > Hey all, > > > > Anyone have direct experience with the Vertimax device? If so I'd > appreciate your > > feedback. > > > > Thank You > > > > Staley, > > Las Vegas, Nevada > > Hi , > > How's your training business doing in Las Vegas? I hope well. > > I do not have any experience with the Vertimax but I do have a > problem with it. Mainly, what does this device do that can't be > accomplished with a weighted vest, a barbell or pair of dumbbells > for that matter!? I'm not sure of their exact price, but I'd bet > they're over a thousand dollars. That $ could be spent on an Eleiko > competition bar and a pair (or two) of bumpers or a whole bunch of > weighted vests. > > Like I said, I have never worked with this device. If anyone can > cite any special advantages to training on a Vertimax vs. doing a > variety of plain old weighted jumps (using equipment that most > weight rooms already have - $1,000.00+ vs. free), I'm all ears. > > Burkhardt > Irvine, CA Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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