Guest guest Posted December 18, 2003 Report Share Posted December 18, 2003 Hey all, Anyone have direct experience with the Vertimax device? If so I'd appreciate your feedback. Thank You Staley, Las Vegas, Nevada Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 1, 2004 Report Share Posted January 1, 2004 , Concerning an aparatus that " enhances " jumping ability through the use of cords, etc., I totally agree with you. I am definitely not a bells-'n'-whistles type of guy. However, the Vertimax is a device used to record vertical jump testing values. This piece of equipment has a great amount of value for a coach dealing with large amounts of athletes, and is the most reliable way to test the VJ that I have seen. S. Capps Assistant Strength & Conditioning Coach Baylor University Waco TX ________________________________ From: Burkhardt Sent: Fri 12/26/2003 12:02 PM To: Supertraining Subject: Re: Vertimax > Hey all, > > Anyone have direct experience with the Vertimax device? If so I'd appreciate your > feedback. > > Thank You > > Staley, > Las Vegas, Nevada Hi , How's your training business doing in Las Vegas? I hope well. I do not have any experience with the Vertimax but I do have a problem with it. Mainly, what does this device do that can't be accomplished with a weighted vest, a barbell or pair of dumbbells for that matter!? I'm not sure of their exact price, but I'd bet they're over a thousand dollars. That $ could be spent on an Eleiko competition bar and a pair (or two) of bumpers or a whole bunch of weighted vests. Like I said, I have never worked with this device. If anyone can cite any special advantages to training on a Vertimax vs. doing a variety of plain old weighted jumps (using equipment that most weight rooms already have - $1,000.00+ vs. free), I'm all ears. Burkhardt Irvine, CA Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 4, 2004 Report Share Posted January 4, 2004 In a message dated 1/4/2004 5:09:23 AM Central Standard Time, _Capps@... writes: > Concerning an aparatus that " enhances " jumping ability through the use of cords, etc., I totally agree with you. I am definitely not a bells-'n'-whistles type of guy. However, the Vertimax is a device used to record vertical jump testing values. This piece of equipment has a great amount of value for a coach dealing with large amounts of athletes, and is the most reliable way to test the VJ that I have seen.< Actually, the VERTEC is what is used to measure vertical jump. The Vertimax is an expensive jumping platform containing elastic cords that add resistance to the user's jump. They are entirely different beasts. I think the Vertimax does produce greater muscular endurance relative to jumping but jump squats of various lighter loads can produce similar results for a fraction of the cost.... and much more versatility. Chad " Hakdaddy " Hackler, B.S., C.S.C.S. Xtreme AthletiX Dallas, Texas Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 4, 2004 Report Share Posted January 4, 2004 The problem with this type of equipment is that it loads the muscle on the eccentric. This is the opposite effect you want when training the vert. jump. Load on the concentric, and train the stretch reflex on the eccentric. I feel that being thrown back in to the platform by the bands takes away from this stretch reflex and makes it much more difficult to deccelerate the body. The athlete becomes much more interested in stopping the decent, and not on reversing direction. Chad Touchberry Midwestern State University Wichita Falls, TX 76302 > > Hey all, > > > > Anyone have direct experience with the Vertimax device? If so I'd > appreciate your > > feedback. > > > > Thank You > > > > Staley, > > Las Vegas, Nevada > > Hi , > > How's your training business doing in Las Vegas? I hope well. > > I do not have any experience with the Vertimax but I do have a > problem with it. Mainly, what does this device do that can't be > accomplished with a weighted vest, a barbell or pair of dumbbells > for that matter!? I'm not sure of their exact price, but I'd bet > they're over a thousand dollars. That $ could be spent on an Eleiko > competition bar and a pair (or two) of bumpers or a whole bunch of > weighted vests. > > Like I said, I have never worked with this device. If anyone can > cite any special advantages to training on a Vertimax vs. doing a > variety of plain old weighted jumps (using equipment that most > weight rooms already have - $1,000.00+ vs. free), I'm all ears. > > Burkhardt > Irvine, CA Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 4, 2004 Report Share Posted January 4, 2004 The problem with this type of equipment is that it loads the muscle on the eccentric. This is the opposite effect you want when training the vert. jump. Load on the concentric, and train the stretch reflex on the eccentric. I feel that being thrown back in to the platform by the bands takes away from this stretch reflex and makes it much more difficult to deccelerate the body. The athlete becomes much more interested in stopping the decent, and not on reversing direction. Chad Touchberry Midwestern State University Wichita Falls, TX 76302 > > Hey all, > > > > Anyone have direct experience with the Vertimax device? If so I'd > appreciate your > > feedback. > > > > Thank You > > > > Staley, > > Las Vegas, Nevada > > Hi , > > How's your training business doing in Las Vegas? I hope well. > > I do not have any experience with the Vertimax but I do have a > problem with it. Mainly, what does this device do that can't be > accomplished with a weighted vest, a barbell or pair of dumbbells > for that matter!? I'm not sure of their exact price, but I'd bet > they're over a thousand dollars. That $ could be spent on an Eleiko > competition bar and a pair (or two) of bumpers or a whole bunch of > weighted vests. > > Like I said, I have never worked with this device. If anyone can > cite any special advantages to training on a Vertimax vs. doing a > variety of plain old weighted jumps (using equipment that most > weight rooms already have - $1,000.00+ vs. free), I'm all ears. > > Burkhardt > Irvine, CA Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 4, 2004 Report Share Posted January 4, 2004 We need to clarify. The Vertec is the apparatus that is used to record VJ, (it has the plastic flaps at the top). The Vertimax is a jump training device utilizing a platform and resistance bands attached to a belt, the Vertimax is unique in that it has the cords travel under the platform and allows for a much smoother resistance without a big change in the amount of resistance applied to the athlete as they squat - jump etc. Addicott MS, P.T., CSCS Phoenix, AZ Re: Vertimax > Hey all, > > Anyone have direct experience with the Vertimax device? If so I'd appreciate your > feedback. > > Thank You > > Staley, > Las Vegas, Nevada Hi , How's your training business doing in Las Vegas? I hope well. I do not have any experience with the Vertimax but I do have a problem with it. Mainly, what does this device do that can't be accomplished with a weighted vest, a barbell or pair of dumbbells for that matter!? I'm not sure of their exact price, but I'd bet they're over a thousand dollars. That $ could be spent on an Eleiko competition bar and a pair (or two) of bumpers or a whole bunch of weighted vests. Like I said, I have never worked with this device. If anyone can cite any special advantages to training on a Vertimax vs. doing a variety of plain old weighted jumps (using equipment that most weight rooms already have - $1,000.00+ vs. free), I'm all ears. Burkhardt Irvine, CA Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 5, 2004 Report Share Posted January 5, 2004 > , > Concerning an aparatus that " enhances " jumping ability through the use of cords, etc., I totally agree with you. I am definitely not a bells-'n'-whistles type of guy. However, the Vertimax is a device used to record vertical jump testing values. This piece of equipment has a great amount of value for a coach dealing with large amounts of athletes, and is the most reliable way to test the VJ that I have seen. > > S. Capps > Assistant Strength & Conditioning Coach > Baylor University > Waco TX , I think you're talking about the Vertec. Burkhardt Irvine, CA Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 5, 2004 Report Share Posted January 5, 2004 > , > Concerning an aparatus that " enhances " jumping ability through the use of cords, etc., I totally agree with you. I am definitely not a bells-'n'-whistles type of guy. However, the Vertimax is a device used to record vertical jump testing values. This piece of equipment has a great amount of value for a coach dealing with large amounts of athletes, and is the most reliable way to test the VJ that I have seen. > > S. Capps > Assistant Strength & Conditioning Coach > Baylor University > Waco TX , I think you're talking about the Vertec. Burkhardt Irvine, CA Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 11, 2004 Report Share Posted January 11, 2004 Dan, I thought the Vertimax had rope cords, similar to climbing rope, not very elastic compared to the rubber bands. Isn't the tension consistant throughout the jump, unlike the bands where the tension increases wiith greater lower body extension? Thanks Dan, Doug Fairbanks College of ton ton, SC > >Reply-To: Supertraining >To: Supertraining >Subject: Re: Vertimax >Date: Wed, 07 Jan 2004 18:45:54 -0000 > >Happy New Year Supertrainers! > >In following this discussion there seems to be a bit of confusion >as to what is a Vertimax. A Vertimax is a platform with elastic cords >hooked to it which allows for squat jumps. We have done similar training >with the jump stretch device and it is excellent for vertical jump >improvement. However you can get similar results with a light(30-60% of 1 >RM) barbell. > >The Vertec is a device( a upright pole with movable plastic vanes that >stick out horizontally at .5 " incriments) that is generally used to >measure vertical jump but as Coach Capps mentioned you can also do some >good jump training drills with the device. I have used >one for many years with good results. > >Dan Wathen, >Youngstown (OH) State University > >In Supertraining , " Capps, " <_Capps@b...> >wrote: > > , > > Concerning an aparatus that " enhances " jumping ability through the use >of cords, etc., I totally agree with you. I am definitely not a >bells-'n'-whistles type of guy. However, the Vertimax is a device used to >record vertical jump testing values. This piece of equipment >has a great amount of value for a coach dealing with large amounts of >athletes, and is the most reliable way to test the VJ that I have >seen. > > > > S. Capps > > Assistant Strength & Conditioning Coach > > Baylor University > > Waco TX > > ________________________________ > > > > From: Burkhardt [mailto:emburkha@u...] > > Sent: Fri 12/26/2003 12:02 PM > > To: Supertraining > > Subject: Re: Vertimax > > > > > > > > > Hey all, > > > > > > Anyone have direct experience with the Vertimax device? If so I'd > > appreciate your > > > feedback. > > > > > > Thank You > > > > > > Staley, > > > Las Vegas, Nevada > > > > Hi , > > > > How's your training business doing in Las Vegas? I hope well. > > > > I do not have any experience with the Vertimax but I do have a > > problem with it. Mainly, what does this device do that can't be > > accomplished with a weighted vest, a barbell or pair of dumbbells > > for that matter!? I'm not sure of their exact price, but I'd bet > > they're over a thousand dollars. That $ could be spent on an Eleiko > > competition bar and a pair (or two) of bumpers or a whole bunch of > > weighted vests. > > > > Like I said, I have never worked with this device. If anyone can > > cite any special advantages to training on a Vertimax vs. doing a > > variety of plain old weighted jumps (using equipment that most > > weight rooms already have - $1,000.00+ vs. free), I'm all ears. > > > > Burkhardt > > Irvine, CA > > _________________________________________________________________ Find high-speed ‘net deals — comparison-shop your local providers here. https://broadband.msn.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 11, 2004 Report Share Posted January 11, 2004 Dan, I thought the Vertimax had rope cords, similar to climbing rope, not very elastic compared to the rubber bands. Isn't the tension consistant throughout the jump, unlike the bands where the tension increases wiith greater lower body extension? Thanks Dan, Doug Fairbanks College of ton ton, SC > >Reply-To: Supertraining >To: Supertraining >Subject: Re: Vertimax >Date: Wed, 07 Jan 2004 18:45:54 -0000 > >Happy New Year Supertrainers! > >In following this discussion there seems to be a bit of confusion >as to what is a Vertimax. A Vertimax is a platform with elastic cords >hooked to it which allows for squat jumps. We have done similar training >with the jump stretch device and it is excellent for vertical jump >improvement. However you can get similar results with a light(30-60% of 1 >RM) barbell. > >The Vertec is a device( a upright pole with movable plastic vanes that >stick out horizontally at .5 " incriments) that is generally used to >measure vertical jump but as Coach Capps mentioned you can also do some >good jump training drills with the device. I have used >one for many years with good results. > >Dan Wathen, >Youngstown (OH) State University > >In Supertraining , " Capps, " <_Capps@b...> >wrote: > > , > > Concerning an aparatus that " enhances " jumping ability through the use >of cords, etc., I totally agree with you. I am definitely not a >bells-'n'-whistles type of guy. However, the Vertimax is a device used to >record vertical jump testing values. This piece of equipment >has a great amount of value for a coach dealing with large amounts of >athletes, and is the most reliable way to test the VJ that I have >seen. > > > > S. Capps > > Assistant Strength & Conditioning Coach > > Baylor University > > Waco TX > > ________________________________ > > > > From: Burkhardt [mailto:emburkha@u...] > > Sent: Fri 12/26/2003 12:02 PM > > To: Supertraining > > Subject: Re: Vertimax > > > > > > > > > Hey all, > > > > > > Anyone have direct experience with the Vertimax device? If so I'd > > appreciate your > > > feedback. > > > > > > Thank You > > > > > > Staley, > > > Las Vegas, Nevada > > > > Hi , > > > > How's your training business doing in Las Vegas? I hope well. > > > > I do not have any experience with the Vertimax but I do have a > > problem with it. Mainly, what does this device do that can't be > > accomplished with a weighted vest, a barbell or pair of dumbbells > > for that matter!? I'm not sure of their exact price, but I'd bet > > they're over a thousand dollars. That $ could be spent on an Eleiko > > competition bar and a pair (or two) of bumpers or a whole bunch of > > weighted vests. > > > > Like I said, I have never worked with this device. If anyone can > > cite any special advantages to training on a Vertimax vs. doing a > > variety of plain old weighted jumps (using equipment that most > > weight rooms already have - $1,000.00+ vs. free), I'm all ears. > > > > Burkhardt > > Irvine, CA > > _________________________________________________________________ Find high-speed ‘net deals — comparison-shop your local providers here. https://broadband.msn.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 12, 2004 Report Share Posted January 12, 2004 Yes I was. I'm sorry, I use the thing maybe three times per year. S. Capps Assistant Strength & Conditioning Coach Baylor University ________________________________ From: Burkhardt Sent: Mon 1/5/2004 3:17 PM To: Supertraining Subject: Re: Vertimax > , > Concerning an aparatus that " enhances " jumping ability through the use of cords, etc., I totally agree with you. I am definitely not a bells-'n'-whistles type of guy. However, the Vertimax is a device used to record vertical jump testing values. This piece of equipment has a great amount of value for a coach dealing with large amounts of athletes, and is the most reliable way to test the VJ that I have seen. > > S. Capps > Assistant Strength & Conditioning Coach > Baylor University > Waco TX , I think you're talking about the Vertec. Burkhardt Irvine, CA Modify or cancel your subscription here: http://groups.yahoo.com/mygroups Don't forget to sign all letters with full name and city of residence if you wish them to be published! ________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 13, 2004 Report Share Posted January 13, 2004 --- Hi Doug! All cords and bands have various degrees of elastisity. Some cords have less elastic property than some bands. The cord used in the vertimax has quite a bit of elasticity to allow the user to leave the platform while jumping. We find this hard to do with rubber bands. Best wishes! Dan Wathen, Youngstown (OH) State University In Supertraining , " douglas fairbanks " <dfairbanks92@h...> = wrote: > Dan, > > I thought the Vertimax had rope cords, similar to climbing rope, not very= > elastic compared to the rubber bands. Isn't the tension consistant > throughout the jump, unlike the bands where the tension increases wiith > greater lower body extension? > > Thanks Dan, > > Doug Fairbanks > College of ton > ton, SC > > > > >From: " icp328 " <icp328@y...> > >Reply-To: Supertraining > >To: Supertraining > >Subject: Re: Vertimax > >Date: Wed, 07 Jan 2004 18:45:54 -0000 > > > >Happy New Year Supertrainers! > > > >In following this discussion there seems to be a bit of confusion > >as to what is a Vertimax. A Vertimax is a platform with elastic cords > >hooked to it which allows for squat jumps. We have done similar trainin= g > >with the jump stretch device and it is excellent for vertical jump > >improvement. However you can get similar results with a light(30-60% of= 1 > >RM) barbell. > > > >The Vertec is a device( a upright pole with movable plastic vanes that > >stick out horizontally at .5 " incriments) that is generally used to > >measure vertical jump but as Coach Capps mentioned you can also do some = > >good jump training drills with the device. I have used > >one for many years with good results. > > > >Dan Wathen, > >Youngstown (OH) State University > > > >In Supertraining , " Capps, " <_Capps@b...> > >wrote: > > > , > > > Concerning an aparatus that " enhances " jumping ability through the us= e > >of cords, etc., I totally agree with you. I am definitely not a > >bells-'n'-whistles type of guy. However, the Vertimax is a device used t= o > >record vertical jump testing values. This piece of equipment > >has a great amount of value for a coach dealing with large amounts of > >athletes, and is the most reliable way to test the VJ that I have > >seen. > > > > > > S. Capps > > > Assistant Strength & Conditioning Coach > > > Baylor University > > > Waco TX > > > ________________________________ > > > > > > From: Burkhardt [mailto:emburkha@u...] > > > Sent: Fri 12/26/2003 12:02 PM > > > To: Supertraining > > > Subject: Re: Vertimax > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hey all, > > > > > > > > Anyone have direct experience with the Vertimax device? If so I'd > > > appreciate your > > > > feedback. > > > > > > > > Thank You > > > > > > > > Staley, > > > > Las Vegas, Nevada > > > > > > Hi , > > > > > > How's your training business doing in Las Vegas? I hope well. > > > > > > I do not have any experience with the Vertimax but I do have a > > > problem with it. Mainly, what does this device do that can't be > > > accomplished with a weighted vest, a barbell or pair of dumbbells > > > for that matter!? I'm not sure of their exact price, but I'd bet > > > they're over a thousand dollars. That $ could be spent on an Eleiko > > > competition bar and a pair (or two) of bumpers or a whole bunch of > > > weighted vests. > > > > > > Like I said, I have never worked with this device. If anyone can > > > cite any special advantages to training on a Vertimax vs. doing a > > > variety of plain old weighted jumps (using equipment that most > > > weight rooms already have - $1,000.00+ vs. free), I'm all ears. > > > > > > Burkhardt > > > Irvine, CA > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Find high-speed `net deals — comparison-shop your local providers here. > https://broadband.msn.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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