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Concerning an aparatus that " enhances " jumping ability through the use of cords,

etc., I totally agree with you. I am definitely not a bells-'n'-whistles type of

guy. However, the Vertimax is a device used to record vertical jump testing

values. This piece of equipment has a great amount of value for a coach dealing

with large amounts of athletes, and is the most reliable way to test the VJ that

I have seen.

S. Capps

Assistant Strength & Conditioning Coach

Baylor University

Waco TX

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From: Burkhardt

Sent: Fri 12/26/2003 12:02 PM

To: Supertraining

Subject: Re: Vertimax

> Hey all,

>

> Anyone have direct experience with the Vertimax device? If so I'd

appreciate your

> feedback.

>

> Thank You

>

> Staley,

> Las Vegas, Nevada

Hi ,

How's your training business doing in Las Vegas? I hope well.

I do not have any experience with the Vertimax but I do have a

problem with it. Mainly, what does this device do that can't be

accomplished with a weighted vest, a barbell or pair of dumbbells

for that matter!? I'm not sure of their exact price, but I'd bet

they're over a thousand dollars. That $ could be spent on an Eleiko

competition bar and a pair (or two) of bumpers or a whole bunch of

weighted vests.

Like I said, I have never worked with this device. If anyone can

cite any special advantages to training on a Vertimax vs. doing a

variety of plain old weighted jumps (using equipment that most

weight rooms already have - $1,000.00+ vs. free), I'm all ears.

Burkhardt

Irvine, CA

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In a message dated 1/4/2004 5:09:23 AM Central Standard Time,

_Capps@... writes:

> Concerning an aparatus that " enhances " jumping ability through the use of

cords, etc., I totally agree with you. I am definitely not a bells-'n'-whistles

type of guy. However, the Vertimax is a device used to record vertical jump

testing values. This piece of equipment has a great amount of value for a

coach dealing with large amounts of athletes, and is the most reliable way to

test the VJ that I have seen.<

Actually, the VERTEC is what is used to measure vertical jump. The Vertimax

is an expensive jumping platform containing elastic cords that add

resistance to the user's jump. They are entirely different beasts. I think the

Vertimax does produce greater muscular endurance relative to jumping but jump

squats of various lighter loads can produce similar results for a fraction of

the

cost.... and much more versatility.

Chad " Hakdaddy " Hackler, B.S., C.S.C.S.

Xtreme AthletiX

Dallas, Texas

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The problem with this type of equipment is that it loads the muscle

on the eccentric. This is the opposite effect you want when training

the vert. jump. Load on the concentric, and train the stretch reflex

on the eccentric. I feel that being thrown back in to the platform

by the bands takes away from this stretch reflex and makes it much

more difficult to deccelerate the body. The athlete becomes much

more interested in stopping the decent, and not on reversing

direction.

Chad Touchberry

Midwestern State University

Wichita Falls, TX 76302

> > Hey all,

> >

> > Anyone have direct experience with the Vertimax device? If so

I'd

> appreciate your

> > feedback.

> >

> > Thank You

> >

> > Staley,

> > Las Vegas, Nevada

>

> Hi ,

>

> How's your training business doing in Las Vegas? I hope well.

>

> I do not have any experience with the Vertimax but I do have a

> problem with it. Mainly, what does this device do that can't be

> accomplished with a weighted vest, a barbell or pair of dumbbells

> for that matter!? I'm not sure of their exact price, but I'd bet

> they're over a thousand dollars. That $ could be spent on an

Eleiko

> competition bar and a pair (or two) of bumpers or a whole bunch of

> weighted vests.

>

> Like I said, I have never worked with this device. If anyone can

> cite any special advantages to training on a Vertimax vs. doing a

> variety of plain old weighted jumps (using equipment that most

> weight rooms already have - $1,000.00+ vs. free), I'm all ears.

>

> Burkhardt

> Irvine, CA

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The problem with this type of equipment is that it loads the muscle

on the eccentric. This is the opposite effect you want when training

the vert. jump. Load on the concentric, and train the stretch reflex

on the eccentric. I feel that being thrown back in to the platform

by the bands takes away from this stretch reflex and makes it much

more difficult to deccelerate the body. The athlete becomes much

more interested in stopping the decent, and not on reversing

direction.

Chad Touchberry

Midwestern State University

Wichita Falls, TX 76302

> > Hey all,

> >

> > Anyone have direct experience with the Vertimax device? If so

I'd

> appreciate your

> > feedback.

> >

> > Thank You

> >

> > Staley,

> > Las Vegas, Nevada

>

> Hi ,

>

> How's your training business doing in Las Vegas? I hope well.

>

> I do not have any experience with the Vertimax but I do have a

> problem with it. Mainly, what does this device do that can't be

> accomplished with a weighted vest, a barbell or pair of dumbbells

> for that matter!? I'm not sure of their exact price, but I'd bet

> they're over a thousand dollars. That $ could be spent on an

Eleiko

> competition bar and a pair (or two) of bumpers or a whole bunch of

> weighted vests.

>

> Like I said, I have never worked with this device. If anyone can

> cite any special advantages to training on a Vertimax vs. doing a

> variety of plain old weighted jumps (using equipment that most

> weight rooms already have - $1,000.00+ vs. free), I'm all ears.

>

> Burkhardt

> Irvine, CA

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We need to clarify.

The Vertec is the apparatus that is used to record VJ, (it has the plastic flaps

at the top).

The Vertimax is a jump training device utilizing a platform and resistance bands

attached to a belt, the Vertimax is unique in that it has the cords travel under

the platform and allows for a much smoother resistance without a big change in

the amount of resistance applied to the athlete as they squat - jump etc.

Addicott MS, P.T., CSCS

Phoenix, AZ

Re: Vertimax

> Hey all,

>

> Anyone have direct experience with the Vertimax device? If so I'd

appreciate your

> feedback.

>

> Thank You

>

> Staley,

> Las Vegas, Nevada

Hi ,

How's your training business doing in Las Vegas? I hope well.

I do not have any experience with the Vertimax but I do have a

problem with it. Mainly, what does this device do that can't be

accomplished with a weighted vest, a barbell or pair of dumbbells

for that matter!? I'm not sure of their exact price, but I'd bet

they're over a thousand dollars. That $ could be spent on an Eleiko

competition bar and a pair (or two) of bumpers or a whole bunch of

weighted vests.

Like I said, I have never worked with this device. If anyone can

cite any special advantages to training on a Vertimax vs. doing a

variety of plain old weighted jumps (using equipment that most

weight rooms already have - $1,000.00+ vs. free), I'm all ears.

Burkhardt

Irvine, CA

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> ,

> Concerning an aparatus that " enhances " jumping ability through the

use of cords, etc., I totally agree with you. I am definitely not a

bells-'n'-whistles type of guy. However, the Vertimax is a device

used to record vertical jump testing values. This piece of equipment

has a great amount of value for a coach dealing with large amounts

of athletes, and is the most reliable way to test the VJ that I have

seen.

>

> S. Capps

> Assistant Strength & Conditioning Coach

> Baylor University

> Waco TX

,

I think you're talking about the Vertec.

Burkhardt

Irvine, CA

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> ,

> Concerning an aparatus that " enhances " jumping ability through the

use of cords, etc., I totally agree with you. I am definitely not a

bells-'n'-whistles type of guy. However, the Vertimax is a device

used to record vertical jump testing values. This piece of equipment

has a great amount of value for a coach dealing with large amounts

of athletes, and is the most reliable way to test the VJ that I have

seen.

>

> S. Capps

> Assistant Strength & Conditioning Coach

> Baylor University

> Waco TX

,

I think you're talking about the Vertec.

Burkhardt

Irvine, CA

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Dan,

I thought the Vertimax had rope cords, similar to climbing rope, not very

elastic compared to the rubber bands. Isn't the tension consistant

throughout the jump, unlike the bands where the tension increases wiith

greater lower body extension?

Thanks Dan,

Doug Fairbanks

College of ton

ton, SC

>

>Reply-To: Supertraining

>To: Supertraining

>Subject: Re: Vertimax

>Date: Wed, 07 Jan 2004 18:45:54 -0000

>

>Happy New Year Supertrainers!

>

>In following this discussion there seems to be a bit of confusion

>as to what is a Vertimax. A Vertimax is a platform with elastic cords

>hooked to it which allows for squat jumps. We have done similar training

>with the jump stretch device and it is excellent for vertical jump

>improvement. However you can get similar results with a light(30-60% of 1

>RM) barbell.

>

>The Vertec is a device( a upright pole with movable plastic vanes that

>stick out horizontally at .5 " incriments) that is generally used to

>measure vertical jump but as Coach Capps mentioned you can also do some

>good jump training drills with the device. I have used

>one for many years with good results.

>

>Dan Wathen,

>Youngstown (OH) State University

>

>In Supertraining , " Capps, " <_Capps@b...>

>wrote:

> > ,

> > Concerning an aparatus that " enhances " jumping ability through the use

>of cords, etc., I totally agree with you. I am definitely not a

>bells-'n'-whistles type of guy. However, the Vertimax is a device used to

>record vertical jump testing values. This piece of equipment

>has a great amount of value for a coach dealing with large amounts of

>athletes, and is the most reliable way to test the VJ that I have

>seen.

> >

> > S. Capps

> > Assistant Strength & Conditioning Coach

> > Baylor University

> > Waco TX

> > ________________________________

> >

> > From: Burkhardt [mailto:emburkha@u...]

> > Sent: Fri 12/26/2003 12:02 PM

> > To: Supertraining

> > Subject: Re: Vertimax

> >

> >

> >

> > > Hey all,

> > >

> > > Anyone have direct experience with the Vertimax device? If so I'd

> > appreciate your

> > > feedback.

> > >

> > > Thank You

> > >

> > > Staley,

> > > Las Vegas, Nevada

> >

> > Hi ,

> >

> > How's your training business doing in Las Vegas? I hope well.

> >

> > I do not have any experience with the Vertimax but I do have a

> > problem with it. Mainly, what does this device do that can't be

> > accomplished with a weighted vest, a barbell or pair of dumbbells

> > for that matter!? I'm not sure of their exact price, but I'd bet

> > they're over a thousand dollars. That $ could be spent on an Eleiko

> > competition bar and a pair (or two) of bumpers or a whole bunch of

> > weighted vests.

> >

> > Like I said, I have never worked with this device. If anyone can

> > cite any special advantages to training on a Vertimax vs. doing a

> > variety of plain old weighted jumps (using equipment that most

> > weight rooms already have - $1,000.00+ vs. free), I'm all ears.

> >

> > Burkhardt

> > Irvine, CA

>

>

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Dan,

I thought the Vertimax had rope cords, similar to climbing rope, not very

elastic compared to the rubber bands. Isn't the tension consistant

throughout the jump, unlike the bands where the tension increases wiith

greater lower body extension?

Thanks Dan,

Doug Fairbanks

College of ton

ton, SC

>

>Reply-To: Supertraining

>To: Supertraining

>Subject: Re: Vertimax

>Date: Wed, 07 Jan 2004 18:45:54 -0000

>

>Happy New Year Supertrainers!

>

>In following this discussion there seems to be a bit of confusion

>as to what is a Vertimax. A Vertimax is a platform with elastic cords

>hooked to it which allows for squat jumps. We have done similar training

>with the jump stretch device and it is excellent for vertical jump

>improvement. However you can get similar results with a light(30-60% of 1

>RM) barbell.

>

>The Vertec is a device( a upright pole with movable plastic vanes that

>stick out horizontally at .5 " incriments) that is generally used to

>measure vertical jump but as Coach Capps mentioned you can also do some

>good jump training drills with the device. I have used

>one for many years with good results.

>

>Dan Wathen,

>Youngstown (OH) State University

>

>In Supertraining , " Capps, " <_Capps@b...>

>wrote:

> > ,

> > Concerning an aparatus that " enhances " jumping ability through the use

>of cords, etc., I totally agree with you. I am definitely not a

>bells-'n'-whistles type of guy. However, the Vertimax is a device used to

>record vertical jump testing values. This piece of equipment

>has a great amount of value for a coach dealing with large amounts of

>athletes, and is the most reliable way to test the VJ that I have

>seen.

> >

> > S. Capps

> > Assistant Strength & Conditioning Coach

> > Baylor University

> > Waco TX

> > ________________________________

> >

> > From: Burkhardt [mailto:emburkha@u...]

> > Sent: Fri 12/26/2003 12:02 PM

> > To: Supertraining

> > Subject: Re: Vertimax

> >

> >

> >

> > > Hey all,

> > >

> > > Anyone have direct experience with the Vertimax device? If so I'd

> > appreciate your

> > > feedback.

> > >

> > > Thank You

> > >

> > > Staley,

> > > Las Vegas, Nevada

> >

> > Hi ,

> >

> > How's your training business doing in Las Vegas? I hope well.

> >

> > I do not have any experience with the Vertimax but I do have a

> > problem with it. Mainly, what does this device do that can't be

> > accomplished with a weighted vest, a barbell or pair of dumbbells

> > for that matter!? I'm not sure of their exact price, but I'd bet

> > they're over a thousand dollars. That $ could be spent on an Eleiko

> > competition bar and a pair (or two) of bumpers or a whole bunch of

> > weighted vests.

> >

> > Like I said, I have never worked with this device. If anyone can

> > cite any special advantages to training on a Vertimax vs. doing a

> > variety of plain old weighted jumps (using equipment that most

> > weight rooms already have - $1,000.00+ vs. free), I'm all ears.

> >

> > Burkhardt

> > Irvine, CA

>

>

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Yes I was. I'm sorry, I use the thing maybe three times per year.

S. Capps

Assistant Strength & Conditioning Coach

Baylor University

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From: Burkhardt

Sent: Mon 1/5/2004 3:17 PM

To: Supertraining

Subject: Re: Vertimax

> ,

> Concerning an aparatus that " enhances " jumping ability through the

use of cords, etc., I totally agree with you. I am definitely not a

bells-'n'-whistles type of guy. However, the Vertimax is a device

used to record vertical jump testing values. This piece of equipment

has a great amount of value for a coach dealing with large amounts

of athletes, and is the most reliable way to test the VJ that I have

seen.

>

> S. Capps

> Assistant Strength & Conditioning Coach

> Baylor University

> Waco TX

,

I think you're talking about the Vertec.

Burkhardt

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Hi Doug!

All cords and bands have various degrees of elastisity. Some cords have less

elastic property than some bands. The cord used in the vertimax has quite a bit

of elasticity to allow the user to leave the platform while jumping. We find

this hard to do with rubber bands.

Best wishes!

Dan Wathen, Youngstown (OH) State University

In Supertraining , " douglas fairbanks " <dfairbanks92@h...> =

wrote:

> Dan,

>

> I thought the Vertimax had rope cords, similar to climbing rope, not very=

> elastic compared to the rubber bands. Isn't the tension consistant

> throughout the jump, unlike the bands where the tension increases wiith

> greater lower body extension?

>

> Thanks Dan,

>

> Doug Fairbanks

> College of ton

> ton, SC

>

>

>

> >From: " icp328 " <icp328@y...>

> >Reply-To: Supertraining

> >To: Supertraining

> >Subject: Re: Vertimax

> >Date: Wed, 07 Jan 2004 18:45:54 -0000

> >

> >Happy New Year Supertrainers!

> >

> >In following this discussion there seems to be a bit of confusion

> >as to what is a Vertimax. A Vertimax is a platform with elastic cords

> >hooked to it which allows for squat jumps. We have done similar trainin=

g

> >with the jump stretch device and it is excellent for vertical jump

> >improvement. However you can get similar results with a light(30-60% of=

1

> >RM) barbell.

> >

> >The Vertec is a device( a upright pole with movable plastic vanes that

> >stick out horizontally at .5 " incriments) that is generally used to

> >measure vertical jump but as Coach Capps mentioned you can also do some =

> >good jump training drills with the device. I have used

> >one for many years with good results.

> >

> >Dan Wathen,

> >Youngstown (OH) State University

> >

> >In Supertraining , " Capps, " <_Capps@b...>

> >wrote:

> > > ,

> > > Concerning an aparatus that " enhances " jumping ability through the us=

e

> >of cords, etc., I totally agree with you. I am definitely not a

> >bells-'n'-whistles type of guy. However, the Vertimax is a device used t=

o

> >record vertical jump testing values. This piece of equipment

> >has a great amount of value for a coach dealing with large amounts of

> >athletes, and is the most reliable way to test the VJ that I have

> >seen.

> > >

> > > S. Capps

> > > Assistant Strength & Conditioning Coach

> > > Baylor University

> > > Waco TX

> > > ________________________________

> > >

> > > From: Burkhardt [mailto:emburkha@u...]

> > > Sent: Fri 12/26/2003 12:02 PM

> > > To: Supertraining

> > > Subject: Re: Vertimax

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > > Hey all,

> > > >

> > > > Anyone have direct experience with the Vertimax device? If so I'd

> > > appreciate your

> > > > feedback.

> > > >

> > > > Thank You

> > > >

> > > > Staley,

> > > > Las Vegas, Nevada

> > >

> > > Hi ,

> > >

> > > How's your training business doing in Las Vegas? I hope well.

> > >

> > > I do not have any experience with the Vertimax but I do have a

> > > problem with it. Mainly, what does this device do that can't be

> > > accomplished with a weighted vest, a barbell or pair of dumbbells

> > > for that matter!? I'm not sure of their exact price, but I'd bet

> > > they're over a thousand dollars. That $ could be spent on an Eleiko

> > > competition bar and a pair (or two) of bumpers or a whole bunch of

> > > weighted vests.

> > >

> > > Like I said, I have never worked with this device. If anyone can

> > > cite any special advantages to training on a Vertimax vs. doing a

> > > variety of plain old weighted jumps (using equipment that most

> > > weight rooms already have - $1,000.00+ vs. free), I'm all ears.

> > >

> > > Burkhardt

> > > Irvine, CA

> >

> >

>

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