Guest guest Posted December 29, 2003 Report Share Posted December 29, 2003 That's funny. I found your conclusion quite surprising. When you were complaining about the twenty-something drones who merely repeat what they are told unthinkingly, I thought you were talking about Chek-trained people! Wilbanks ville, FL > As the Personal Training industry is exploding each and every year, I > find myself surrounded by twenty something's who are very > inexperienced and who teach the way they do because they've been told > to do it this way, they don't ask questions, and don't live or practice > what they try to preach. Plus for most its just a stop gap. > > I myself have always created a differentiation from other PT's by > living and breathing what I teach, constantly learning, updating my > knowledge, asking questions, and competing. > > Now I feel I need more to differentiate myself from others and offer > clients more for their money, to take my level of personal training > service the highest standard, and also to avoid drowning and being > labeled as just another PT > > I have PT'd for over 4 years, and instructed for 10 years, and now I > feel that after analysing the market for the best education and > certification Chek will offer me and eventually my clients the > best. NASM looked good but living in the UK I cant get the education > that Chek and his teaching staff can give me. > > Do you have any thoughts, advice or any experience on this subject? > > [steve, start by checking in the archives - there will be enough in their to keep you entertained for a few weeks! - DD] > > Thanks > Steve Max > London, UK Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 30, 2003 Report Share Posted December 30, 2003 Dear Steve, I feel qualified to answer this particular query as I have done both certifications from the Chek Institute and NASM. After all the smoke has cleared as it were, I feel I got a more thorough understanding of the human mechanism from Chek. NASM is an excellent organization but personally, I feel I received a greater value for my dollar through the Chek school. The courses are exhaustively complete and you can do three levels of internship at your convenience. I recommend taking a few correspondence courses from them first to see if it fits you. Good luck. Sincerely, Kanady Houston, Texas -- In Supertraining , " stevemaxchillin " <stevemaxchillin@y...> wrote: > As the Personal Training industry is exploding each and every year, I > find myself surrounded by twenty something's who are very > inexperienced and who teach the way they do because they've been told > to do it this way, they don't ask questions, and don't live or practice > what they try to preach. Plus for most its just a stop gap. > > I myself have always created a differentiation from other PT's by > living and breathing what I teach, constantly learning, updating my > knowledge, asking questions, and competing. > > Now I feel I need more to differentiate myself from others and offer > clients more for their money, to take my level of personal training > service the highest standard, and also to avoid drowning and being > labeled as just another PT > > I have PT'd for over 4 years, and instructed for 10 years, and now I > feel that after analysing the market for the best education and > certification Chek will offer me and eventually my clients the > best. NASM looked good but living in the UK I cant get the education > that Chek and his teaching staff can give me. > > Do you have any thoughts, advice or any experience on this subject? > > [steve, start by checking in the archives - there will be enough in their to keep you entertained for a few weeks! - DD] > > Thanks > Steve Max > London, UK Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 4, 2004 Report Share Posted January 4, 2004 I don't think that any one certification will make anyone the best trainer. By that I am not saying that people go out and get multiple certifications. But anyone can go and pass a test. A good trainer needs to apply the knowledge they got from the certification process, and from their academic background towards the clients/athletes goal. Also I think that trainers can not forget the specificity principle. Train individuals with respect to their situations and their goals! I don't think that age or certifications mean anything. I have also seen other trainers who just kind of always follow a protocol that was given to them in their past.. Josh son Champlin, MN > > That's funny. I found your conclusion quite surprising. When you > were complaining about the twenty-something drones who merely repeat > what they are told unthinkingly, I thought you were talking about > Chek-trained people! > > Wilbanks > ville, FL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 9, 2004 Report Share Posted January 9, 2004 > I don't think that any one certification will make anyone the best > trainer. By that I am not saying that people go out and get multiple > certifications. But anyone can go and pass a test. A good trainer needs to > apply the knowledge they got from the certification process, and from > their academic background towards the clients/athletes goal. Also I think > that trainers can not forget the specificity principle. Train individuals > with respect to their situations and their goals! > > I don't think that age or certifications mean anything. I have also seen > other trainers who just kind of always follow a protocol that was given to > them in their past.. > > Josh son > Champlin, MN > > > > > That's funny. I found your conclusion quite surprising. When you > > were complaining about the twenty-something drones who merely repeat > > what they are told unthinkingly, I thought you were talking about > > Chek-trained people! > > > > Wilbanks > > ville, FL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 25, 2004 Report Share Posted January 25, 2004 Hello Chip, I agree with your statements very much. I work at the college level presently and have trained high level athletes in a private setting. I can without any doubt state that the athletes I trained at the private facility made greater improvements than the athletes I train now at the college level. I feel the athletic trainers at the college are too corrective and the athletes are always in rehab or maintenance (whatever that is) for days and months on end, this is holding back the athletes progress. It is too much interference and it places of fear in the athletes to do aggressive strengthening. It has created psychological problems in alot of athletes, they have trouble trusting their insticts and feel confused by who to believe can help them get stronger the athletic trainer or the strength coach. Obviously there are athletes that are coming back from series injuries, but since my staff and I have helped decreased injuries over the last few years the trainers are less busy. That should be a good thing, but they seem bored and keep tiny injuries like mild shoulder impingment cases recieving care for months. As we all know they need strengthening and we are the strength coaches. Again thanks for listening. Doug Fairbanks College of ton ton, SC > >Reply-To: Supertraining >To: Supertraining >Subject: Re: Chek Certifications >Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 20:59:46 -0000 > >You bring up a good point, and one that needs to be addressed. It's >very vogue right now, among 'trainers' to 'correct.' In fact some >entire philosophies (and certifications) are based around >'correction.' To me that instantly implies that there is >automatically something wrong. After listening to several of these >corrective specialists, it seem like the first thing they look for are >problems that need 'correcting.' Like some mighty show of >intellectual superiority, almost an ego trip, the client-trainer >relationship becomes one of fixing problems that the trianer, in his >or her infinite wisdom, will find in the client. So right off the bat >the client is made to feel as if there is something wrong, but don't >worry, since the ultimate outcome will be a 'fixed' you. > >In my years of training, which are eclipsed quickly by the wisdom of >many I've trained under and/or admire, a uniform model of 'correct' >does not seem to exist and, frankly, most folks simply aren't that >screwed up. Sure, postures are drooping as technology defeats our >birthgiven right to move and play, but incorporating movement into >lives, our first goal as trainers, will do more for most clients then >trying to pick apart pre-conceived flaws. Athletes may get more from >analysis and postural correction, but they acheive their level of >proficiency flawed or not. We can perhaps make small tweaks, but >basing an entire system on 'fixing' them holds little merit, and >frankly, is insulting. > >The whole tend of analysis and correction seems like a bunch of >trainers trying to sound smarter than they actually might be. Or at >least letting their ego create a postion of much greater power then >actually should exist. > >Chip Conrad >Bodytribe Fitness >Sacramento, CA > > > > > , > > > > An excellent post regarding Chek. In the future, if we >are going to continue on this topic, I would like to see more specific >examples of exercises used by Chek or recommendations on how >exercises should be done. We can then evaluate the value, efficiency, >or correctness of the exercises. Only in this way can we judge how >good the certification program truly is. For example, Brad says that >the " key word is being corrective " (He states that Chek is a >corrective exercise specialist). What is meant by correcting >imbalances or problems, first and foremost? How is imbalance >determined, through posture? How is the solution to a problem arrived >at? What progression is used for a particular problem or imbalance? >Answers to these can lead to some positive and useful information. > > > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > Yessis, Ph.D > > President, Sports Training, Inc. > > _________________________________________________________________ High-speed users—be more efficient online with the new MSN Premium Internet Software. http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-us & page=byoa/prem & ST=1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 25, 2004 Report Share Posted January 25, 2004 >We can perhaps make small tweaks, but basing an entire system on 'fixing' them holds little merit, and frankly, is insulting. > The whole tend of analysis and correction seems like a bunch of trainers trying to sound smarter than they actually might be. Or at least letting their ego create a postion of much greater power then actually should exist. > > Chip Conrad > Bodytribe Fitness > Sacramento, CA Chip, This reminds me of when I was in corporate fitness and some of the Pete Egoscue fellas came to our company to evaluate and " correct " the postural faults of the employees. They (the employees) were all told about how their lifestyles had hurt their posture and how the " corrective exercise menu " they were given would help them. Here's what always struck me as odd about this: if your posture is poor due to your lifestyle, how does a 15-20 minute series of exercises fix it? The other 1,420 minutes in the day wouldn't over- ride your " corrective exercises " ? Seemed like hype to me. Nate Mosher Albany, NY Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 29, 2004 Report Share Posted January 29, 2004 ndmosher1976 wrote: >We can perhaps make small tweaks, but basing an entire system on 'fixing' them holds little merit, and frankly, is insulting. > The whole tend of analysis and correction seems like a bunch of trainers trying to sound smarter than they actually might be. Or at least letting their ego create a postion of much greater power then actually should exist. > > Chip Conrad > Bodytribe Fitness > Sacramento, CA Chip, This reminds me of when I was in corporate fitness and some of the Pete Egoscue fellas came to our company to evaluate and " correct " the postural faults of the employees. They (the employees) were all told about how their lifestyles had hurt their posture and how the " corrective exercise menu " they were given would help them. Here's what always struck me as odd about this: if your posture is poor due to your lifestyle, how does a 15-20 minute series of exercises fix it? The other 1,420 minutes in the day wouldn't over- ride your " corrective exercises " ? Seemed like hype to me. Nate Mosher Albany, NY Ergonomics are then discussed, change several limiting factors, just as in rehab... if the Client isn't taught.. can do the same motion, or activity that got them their to begin with...destroy's the Clinician's work... This can help with lasting result's... Rob Pilger ville Florida Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 29, 2004 Report Share Posted January 29, 2004 > > Chip, > > This reminds me of when I was in corporate fitness and some of the > Pete Egoscue fellas came to our company to evaluate and " correct " the > postural faults of the employees. They (the employees) were all told > about how their lifestyles had hurt their posture and how > the " corrective exercise menu " they were given would help them. > > Here's what always struck me as odd about this: if your posture is > poor due to your lifestyle, how does a 15-20 minute series of > exercises fix it? The other 1,420 minutes in the day wouldn't over- > ride your " corrective exercises " ? Seemed like hype to me. > > Nate Mosher > Albany, NY ***** I agree. I will credit Egoscue with trying to at least perpetuate a philosophy of incorporating some movement into an otherwise sloth-like day, though. I've worked with a few of his folks and that was the one thing that justified they're approach to me, although again, the 'let's correct all wrongs' approach always brings me down. Chip Conrad Bodytribe Fitness Sacramento, CA Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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