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That's funny. I found your conclusion quite surprising. When you

were complaining about the twenty-something drones who merely repeat

what they are told unthinkingly, I thought you were talking about

Chek-trained people!

Wilbanks

ville, FL

> As the Personal Training industry is exploding each and every

year, I

> find myself surrounded by twenty something's who are very

> inexperienced and who teach the way they do because they've been

told

> to do it this way, they don't ask questions, and don't live or

practice

> what they try to preach. Plus for most its just a stop gap.

>

> I myself have always created a differentiation from other PT's by

> living and breathing what I teach, constantly learning, updating

my

> knowledge, asking questions, and competing.

>

> Now I feel I need more to differentiate myself from others and

offer

> clients more for their money, to take my level of personal

training

> service the highest standard, and also to avoid drowning and being

> labeled as just another PT

>

> I have PT'd for over 4 years, and instructed for 10 years, and now

I

> feel that after analysing the market for the best education and

> certification Chek will offer me and eventually my clients

the

> best. NASM looked good but living in the UK I cant get the

education

> that Chek and his teaching staff can give me.

>

> Do you have any thoughts, advice or any experience on this subject?

>

> [steve, start by checking in the archives - there will be enough

in their to keep you entertained for a few weeks! - DD]

>

> Thanks

> Steve Max

> London, UK

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Steve,

The CHEK stuff is great!! I am currently working on my prerequsits

for my CHEK Exercise Coach, and they have made a bigger impact then

my other certs.

Josh son

Champlin MN

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Josh son

B.A. Exercise Science

Personal Trainer

NSCA-CSCS, NASM-CPT

Lifetime Fitness, Champlin, MN

(W)

> As the Personal Training industry is exploding each and every year, I

> find myself surrounded by twenty something’s who are very

> inexperienced and who teach the way they do because they’ve been told

> to do it this way, they don’t ask questions, and don’t live or practice

> what they try to preach. Plus for most its just a stop gap.

>

> I myself have always created a differentiation from other PT's by

> living and breathing what I teach, constantly learning, updating my

> knowledge, asking questions, and competing.

>

> Now I feel I need more to differentiate myself from others and offer

> clients more for their money, to take my level of personal training

> service the highest standard, and also to avoid drowning and being

> labeled as just another PT

>

> I have PT'd for over 4 years, and instructed for 10 years, and now I

> feel that after analysing the market for the best education and

> certification Chek will offer me and eventually my clients the

> best. NASM looked good but living in the UK I cant get the education

> that Chek and his teaching staff can give me.

>

> Do you have any thoughts, advice or any experience on this subject?

>

> [steve, start by checking in the archives - there will be enough in their

> to keep you entertained for a few weeks! - DD]

>

> Thanks

> Steve Max

> London, UK

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Steve,

The CHEK stuff is great!! I am currently working on my prerequsits

for my CHEK Exercise Coach, and they have made a bigger impact then

my other certs.

Josh son

Champlin MN

-----------------------------

Josh son

B.A. Exercise Science

Personal Trainer

NSCA-CSCS, NASM-CPT

Lifetime Fitness, Champlin, MN

(W)

> As the Personal Training industry is exploding each and every year, I

> find myself surrounded by twenty something’s who are very

> inexperienced and who teach the way they do because they’ve been told

> to do it this way, they don’t ask questions, and don’t live or practice

> what they try to preach. Plus for most its just a stop gap.

>

> I myself have always created a differentiation from other PT's by

> living and breathing what I teach, constantly learning, updating my

> knowledge, asking questions, and competing.

>

> Now I feel I need more to differentiate myself from others and offer

> clients more for their money, to take my level of personal training

> service the highest standard, and also to avoid drowning and being

> labeled as just another PT

>

> I have PT'd for over 4 years, and instructed for 10 years, and now I

> feel that after analysing the market for the best education and

> certification Chek will offer me and eventually my clients the

> best. NASM looked good but living in the UK I cant get the education

> that Chek and his teaching staff can give me.

>

> Do you have any thoughts, advice or any experience on this subject?

>

> [steve, start by checking in the archives - there will be enough in their

> to keep you entertained for a few weeks! - DD]

>

> Thanks

> Steve Max

> London, UK

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I agree with Mr Driscoll's comment in the section -

And just a reminder to those who have been somewhat defending Mr. Chek on

this list recently?

The greatest critic, with plenty of commentary of Mr Chek's practices and

his ideas, was Dr. Mel Siff. I joined Mel (this is my recollection) and

it's in the archives, regarding the somewhat fascinating idea that the abs

should be pulled IN while lifting a heavy weight. Also that belts should

not be used, etc.

To me, as a competing powerlifter, the wobble board/fitness ball world is

really not applicable. If your practice is mostly rehab, I can see why you

might see it as more applicable, but I'd still like to see more movement

toward the world of free weights as clients progress - note discussions on

back injury and deadlift as a means of progression in the archives as well.

I still feel women as well as men should be trained to use the free weights

and that I see little or no progression to such usage from the world of such

Chek instruments, it may be a way to make money for PT's but is it a way

toward full usage of the world of weights? I have yet to see one in my gyms

do so.

But most of all, please do read Mel's comments on Mr. Chek and remember that

this was Mel's list as well. I believe he was truly fair and correct in his

assessment. By the way, the reason I took the NSCA CSCS test was because

Mel suggested it was the one to take, if I wanted a good certification.

Despite some differences between my practical experience as a coach and

competing lifter and the position papers of NSCA, it seems closer to what I

use daily.

Good luck in your future as a PT and take care,

The Phantom

aka Schaefer, CMT, CSCS, competing powerlifter

Denver, Colorado, USA

It was written:

> As the Personal Training industry is exploding each and every year, I

> find myself surrounded by twenty something's who are very

> inexperienced and who teach the way they do because they've been told

> to do it this way, they don't ask questions, and don't live or practice

> what they try to preach. Plus for most its just a stop gap.

>

> I myself have always created a differentiation from other PT's by

> living and breathing what I teach, constantly learning, updating my

> knowledge, asking questions, and competing.

>

> Now I feel I need more to differentiate myself from others and offer

> clients more for their money, to take my level of personal training

> service the highest standard, and also to avoid drowning and being

> labeled as just another PT

>

> I have PT'd for over 4 years, and instructed for 10 years, and now I

> feel that after analysing the market for the best education and

> certification Chek will offer me and eventually my clients the

> best. NASM looked good but living in the UK I cant get the education

> that Chek and his teaching staff can give me.

>

> Do you have any thoughts, advice or any experience on this subject?

>

> [steve, start by checking in the archives - there will be enough in their

to keep you entertained for a few weeks! - DD]

>

> Thanks

> Steve Max

> London, UK

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I agree with Mr Driscoll's comment in the section -

And just a reminder to those who have been somewhat defending Mr. Chek on

this list recently?

The greatest critic, with plenty of commentary of Mr Chek's practices and

his ideas, was Dr. Mel Siff. I joined Mel (this is my recollection) and

it's in the archives, regarding the somewhat fascinating idea that the abs

should be pulled IN while lifting a heavy weight. Also that belts should

not be used, etc.

To me, as a competing powerlifter, the wobble board/fitness ball world is

really not applicable. If your practice is mostly rehab, I can see why you

might see it as more applicable, but I'd still like to see more movement

toward the world of free weights as clients progress - note discussions on

back injury and deadlift as a means of progression in the archives as well.

I still feel women as well as men should be trained to use the free weights

and that I see little or no progression to such usage from the world of such

Chek instruments, it may be a way to make money for PT's but is it a way

toward full usage of the world of weights? I have yet to see one in my gyms

do so.

But most of all, please do read Mel's comments on Mr. Chek and remember that

this was Mel's list as well. I believe he was truly fair and correct in his

assessment. By the way, the reason I took the NSCA CSCS test was because

Mel suggested it was the one to take, if I wanted a good certification.

Despite some differences between my practical experience as a coach and

competing lifter and the position papers of NSCA, it seems closer to what I

use daily.

Good luck in your future as a PT and take care,

The Phantom

aka Schaefer, CMT, CSCS, competing powerlifter

Denver, Colorado, USA

It was written:

> As the Personal Training industry is exploding each and every year, I

> find myself surrounded by twenty something's who are very

> inexperienced and who teach the way they do because they've been told

> to do it this way, they don't ask questions, and don't live or practice

> what they try to preach. Plus for most its just a stop gap.

>

> I myself have always created a differentiation from other PT's by

> living and breathing what I teach, constantly learning, updating my

> knowledge, asking questions, and competing.

>

> Now I feel I need more to differentiate myself from others and offer

> clients more for their money, to take my level of personal training

> service the highest standard, and also to avoid drowning and being

> labeled as just another PT

>

> I have PT'd for over 4 years, and instructed for 10 years, and now I

> feel that after analysing the market for the best education and

> certification Chek will offer me and eventually my clients the

> best. NASM looked good but living in the UK I cant get the education

> that Chek and his teaching staff can give me.

>

> Do you have any thoughts, advice or any experience on this subject?

>

> [steve, start by checking in the archives - there will be enough in their

to keep you entertained for a few weeks! - DD]

>

> Thanks

> Steve Max

> London, UK

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Dear Steve,

I feel qualified to answer this particular query as I

have done both certifications from the Chek Institute and NASM.

After all the smoke has cleared as it were, I feel I got a more

thorough understanding of the human mechanism from Chek. NASM is an

excellent organization but personally, I feel I received a greater

value for my dollar through the Chek school. The courses are

exhaustively complete and you can do three levels of internship at

your convenience. I recommend taking a few correspondence courses

from them first to see if it fits you. Good luck.

Sincerely,

Kanady

Houston, Texas

-- In Supertraining , " stevemaxchillin "

<stevemaxchillin@y...> wrote:

> As the Personal Training industry is exploding each and every year, I

> find myself surrounded by twenty something's who are very

> inexperienced and who teach the way they do because they've been told

> to do it this way, they don't ask questions, and don't live or practice

> what they try to preach. Plus for most its just a stop gap.

>

> I myself have always created a differentiation from other PT's by

> living and breathing what I teach, constantly learning, updating my

> knowledge, asking questions, and competing.

>

> Now I feel I need more to differentiate myself from others and offer

> clients more for their money, to take my level of personal

training

> service the highest standard, and also to avoid drowning and being

> labeled as just another PT

>

> I have PT'd for over 4 years, and instructed for 10 years, and now I

> feel that after analysing the market for the best education and

> certification Chek will offer me and eventually my clients the

> best. NASM looked good but living in the UK I cant get the education

> that Chek and his teaching staff can give me.

>

> Do you have any thoughts, advice or any experience on this subject?

>

> [steve, start by checking in the archives - there will be enough

in their to keep you entertained for a few weeks! - DD]

>

> Thanks

> Steve Max

> London, UK

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I don't think that any one certification will make anyone the best

trainer. By that I am not saying that people go out and get multiple

certifications. But anyone can go and pass a test. A good trainer needs to

apply the knowledge they got from the certification process, and from

their academic background towards the clients/athletes goal. Also I think

that trainers can not forget the specificity principle. Train individuals

with respect to their situations and their goals!

I don't think that age or certifications mean anything. I have also seen

other trainers who just kind of always follow a protocol that was given to

them in their past..

Josh son

Champlin, MN

>

> That's funny. I found your conclusion quite surprising. When you

> were complaining about the twenty-something drones who merely repeat

> what they are told unthinkingly, I thought you were talking about

> Chek-trained people!

>

> Wilbanks

> ville, FL

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You bring up a good point, and one that needs to be addressed. It's

very vogue right now, among 'trainers' to 'correct.' In fact some

entire philosophies (and certifications) are based around

'correction.' To me that instantly implies that there is

automatically something wrong. After listening to several of these

corrective specialists, it seem like the first thing they look for are

problems that need 'correcting.' Like some mighty show of

intellectual superiority, almost an ego trip, the client-trainer

relationship becomes one of fixing problems that the trianer, in his

or her infinite wisdom, will find in the client. So right off the bat

the client is made to feel as if there is something wrong, but don't

worry, since the ultimate outcome will be a 'fixed' you.

In my years of training, which are eclipsed quickly by the wisdom of

many I've trained under and/or admire, a uniform model of 'correct'

does not seem to exist and, frankly, most folks simply aren't that

screwed up. Sure, postures are drooping as technology defeats our

birthgiven right to move and play, but incorporating movement into

lives, our first goal as trainers, will do more for most clients then

trying to pick apart pre-conceived flaws. Athletes may get more from

analysis and postural correction, but they acheive their level of

proficiency flawed or not. We can perhaps make small tweaks, but

basing an entire system on 'fixing' them holds little merit, and

frankly, is insulting.

The whole tend of analysis and correction seems like a bunch of

trainers trying to sound smarter than they actually might be. Or at

least letting their ego create a postion of much greater power then

actually should exist.

Chip Conrad

Bodytribe Fitness

Sacramento, CA

> ,

>

> An excellent post regarding Chek. In the future, if we

are going to continue on this topic, I would like to see more specific

examples of exercises used by Chek or recommendations on how

exercises should be done. We can then evaluate the value, efficiency,

or correctness of the exercises. Only in this way can we judge how

good the certification program truly is. For example, Brad says that

the " key word is being corrective " (He states that Chek is a

corrective exercise specialist). What is meant by correcting

imbalances or problems, first and foremost? How is imbalance

determined, through posture? How is the solution to a problem arrived

at? What progression is used for a particular problem or imbalance?

Answers to these can lead to some positive and useful information.

>

>

> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

> Yessis, Ph.D

> President, Sports Training, Inc.

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You bring up a good point, and one that needs to be addressed. It's

very vogue right now, among 'trainers' to 'correct.' In fact some

entire philosophies (and certifications) are based around

'correction.' To me that instantly implies that there is

automatically something wrong. After listening to several of these

corrective specialists, it seem like the first thing they look for are

problems that need 'correcting.' Like some mighty show of

intellectual superiority, almost an ego trip, the client-trainer

relationship becomes one of fixing problems that the trianer, in his

or her infinite wisdom, will find in the client. So right off the bat

the client is made to feel as if there is something wrong, but don't

worry, since the ultimate outcome will be a 'fixed' you.

In my years of training, which are eclipsed quickly by the wisdom of

many I've trained under and/or admire, a uniform model of 'correct'

does not seem to exist and, frankly, most folks simply aren't that

screwed up. Sure, postures are drooping as technology defeats our

birthgiven right to move and play, but incorporating movement into

lives, our first goal as trainers, will do more for most clients then

trying to pick apart pre-conceived flaws. Athletes may get more from

analysis and postural correction, but they acheive their level of

proficiency flawed or not. We can perhaps make small tweaks, but

basing an entire system on 'fixing' them holds little merit, and

frankly, is insulting.

The whole tend of analysis and correction seems like a bunch of

trainers trying to sound smarter than they actually might be. Or at

least letting their ego create a postion of much greater power then

actually should exist.

Chip Conrad

Bodytribe Fitness

Sacramento, CA

> ,

>

> An excellent post regarding Chek. In the future, if we

are going to continue on this topic, I would like to see more specific

examples of exercises used by Chek or recommendations on how

exercises should be done. We can then evaluate the value, efficiency,

or correctness of the exercises. Only in this way can we judge how

good the certification program truly is. For example, Brad says that

the " key word is being corrective " (He states that Chek is a

corrective exercise specialist). What is meant by correcting

imbalances or problems, first and foremost? How is imbalance

determined, through posture? How is the solution to a problem arrived

at? What progression is used for a particular problem or imbalance?

Answers to these can lead to some positive and useful information.

>

>

> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

> Yessis, Ph.D

> President, Sports Training, Inc.

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ndmosher1976 wrote:

>We can perhaps make small tweaks, but basing an entire system

on 'fixing' them holds little merit, and frankly, is insulting.

>

The whole tend of analysis and correction seems like a bunch of

trainers trying to sound smarter than they actually might be. Or at

least letting their ego create a postion of much greater power then

actually should exist.

>

> Chip Conrad

> Bodytribe Fitness

> Sacramento, CA

Chip,

This reminds me of when I was in corporate fitness and some of the

Pete Egoscue fellas came to our company to evaluate and " correct " the

postural faults of the employees. They (the employees) were all told

about how their lifestyles had hurt their posture and how

the " corrective exercise menu " they were given would help them.

Here's what always struck me as odd about this: if your posture is

poor due to your lifestyle, how does a 15-20 minute series of

exercises fix it? The other 1,420 minutes in the day wouldn't over-

ride your " corrective exercises " ? Seemed like hype to me.

Nate Mosher

Albany, NY

Ergonomics are then discussed, change several limiting factors, just as in

rehab... if the Client isn't taught.. can do the same motion, or activity that

got them their to begin with...destroy's the Clinician's work...

This can help with lasting result's...

Rob Pilger

ville Florida

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You hit it on the head with the 'psychological problems.' Nothing

says 'I'm a loser' more than being told there is something wrong with you.

Chip Conrad

Bodytribe Fitness

Sacramento, CA

> > > ,

> > >

> > > An excellent post regarding Chek. In the future, if we

> >are going to continue on this topic, I would like to see more specific

> >examples of exercises used by Chek or recommendations on how

> >exercises should be done. We can then evaluate the value, efficiency,

> >or correctness of the exercises. Only in this way can we judge how

> >good the certification program truly is. For example, Brad says that

> >the " key word is being corrective " (He states that Chek is a

> >corrective exercise specialist). What is meant by correcting

> >imbalances or problems, first and foremost? How is imbalance

> >determined, through posture? How is the solution to a problem arrived

> >at? What progression is used for a particular problem or imbalance?

> >Answers to these can lead to some positive and useful information.

> > >

> > >

> > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

> > > Yessis, Ph.D

> > > President, Sports Training, Inc.

> >

> >

>

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> Chip,

>

> This reminds me of when I was in corporate fitness and some of the

> Pete Egoscue fellas came to our company to evaluate and " correct " the

> postural faults of the employees. They (the employees) were all told

> about how their lifestyles had hurt their posture and how

> the " corrective exercise menu " they were given would help them.

>

> Here's what always struck me as odd about this: if your posture is

> poor due to your lifestyle, how does a 15-20 minute series of

> exercises fix it? The other 1,420 minutes in the day wouldn't over-

> ride your " corrective exercises " ? Seemed like hype to me.

>

> Nate Mosher

> Albany, NY

***** I agree. I will credit Egoscue with trying to at least

perpetuate a philosophy of incorporating some movement into an

otherwise sloth-like day, though. I've worked with a few of his folks

and that was the one thing that justified they're approach to me,

although again, the 'let's correct all wrongs' approach always brings

me down.

Chip Conrad

Bodytribe Fitness

Sacramento, CA

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