Guest guest Posted November 19, 2003 Report Share Posted November 19, 2003 I have yet another young athlete (11 years old) who has been diagnosed with Osgood-Schlatter. The conservative remedy is of course to stop exercising and shrivel up in a corner until the disease runs its course. From the research I have done on this disease, my impression is that those afflicted with O-S could benefit from taking doses of glucosamine, chondroitin and MSM to help build the joints. Have any of you Supertrainers had any experience with this? Any other suggestions for moving this along without too many lost months? -- Gerald Lafon ****************************************** * Judo America San Diego * * Email: glafon@... * * Web: http://www.judoamerica.com * * Phone: * ****************************************** Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 24, 2003 Report Share Posted November 24, 2003 Gerald Lafon wrote: >I have yet another young athlete (11 years old) who has been >diagnosed with Osgood-Schlatter. The conservative remedy is of course >to stop exercising and shrivel up in a corner until the disease runs >its course. From the research I have done on this disease, my >impression is that those afflicted with O-S could benefit from taking >doses of glucosamine, chondroitin and MSM to help build the joints. >Have any of you Supertrainers had any experience with this? Any other >suggestions for moving this along without too many lost months? > > OSD strictly speaking is not a joint problem, so the items you mention above would not directly affect the condition, although the player might have other issues for which these items would be beneficial. Suggest you visit the archives of SCL (Soccer Coach List) for some good references and pratical application. One series of 5 postings of begins 3/25/99 as " Re: Prep: Osgood-Schlatter syndrome " but unfortunately is not in the archives, the second of which references http://www.physsportsmed.com/issues/1998/03mar/wall.htm I'll follow later if any of the 5 are worth posting. The second series 8/2/2001 - see http://lists.mun.ca/cgi-bin/wa?S2=soccer-coach-l & q= & s=osgood & f= & a=June+1995 & b=NO\ vember+2003 I have to add as a coach (if you are one) you need to be sensitive and watchful for conditions in young athletes, especially at competitive levels such as high school, because they often won't come to you and tell you they have a problem, and parents are likewise normally (if you'll excuse the negative connotation) ignorant. It'll just show up as if the player is 'dogging it'. You must encourage from day one with a written policy and emphasize throughout early training that you REQUIRE them to come to you - state outright that players who are injured will not be penalized, but if they don't come to you they seriously risk losing playing time later in the season and, worse frankly, risk impacting team performance, especially if the condition becomes chronic and they are a key player. Early, proper, aggressive treatment is key in most scenarios. I probably would have been great at track, but I'm sure I had PF at the time. I could hardly walk by the time I quit early in the season in 10th grade. I never went to the coach about it and the coach never recognized it or talked to me about it. He probably didn't know better - I know I didn't. Wayne Mery sville, PA Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 24, 2003 Report Share Posted November 24, 2003 Gerald, It looks like you got some good advice from . We deal with HS students all the time, and the prescription sometimes depends on the doctor. If the doctor is up to speed on sports medicine, they will usually go with s program. Sometimes Ibuprofen is allowed, and the client is the judge of when to stop activity. If the doctor is less familiar with sports medicine, he will be more conservative and stop all activity. We (the client) also get additional pain relief, in most cases, from what we call a " patella band " . We teach the student how to make his or her own from Pre-wrap. Works surprisingly well. Hunsicker Edgerton, KS. Supertraining , Bodyfelt <kyle_axispt@y...> wrote: > Gerald - > > I had a strong case of Osgood-Schlatter as child and I > was basically given the same conservative advice you > mentioned from my pediatrician. > However, he did state that I could stay as active as > pain allowed, which for me at the time, was running > around the neighborhood, playing basketball, and > taking part in P.E. class as normal. > I endured some pain, but the dangers of inactivity and > a sedentary lifestyle are much worse than the > temporary pain resulting from O-S Disease. > > Hope this helps, > > Bodyfelt > Menlo Park, CA > --- Gerald Lafon <glafon@j...> wrote: > > I have yet another young athlete (11 years old) who > > has been > > diagnosed with Osgood-Schlatter. The conservative > > remedy is of course > > to stop exercising and shrivel up in a corner until > > the disease runs > > its course. From the research I have done on this > > disease, my > > impression is that those afflicted with O-S could > > benefit from taking > > doses of glucosamine, chondroitin and MSM to help > > build the joints. > > Have any of you Supertrainers had any experience > > with this? Any other > > suggestions for moving this along without too many > > lost months? > > -- > > Gerald Lafon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 25, 2003 Report Share Posted November 25, 2003 I've treated various young athletes with growth plate problems. Keep it simple, ice and rest as necessary. Stretch tight muscles and progressively condition, principally enhance the athletes ability to use muscles to absorb force. This could involve load acceptance exercises etc, also ensure the athlete performs within their limits of muscular endurance. Hope this helps. Steve Aspinall BSc (Hons) GSR City Physio Sports Medicine Manchester, UK Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 29, 2003 Report Share Posted November 29, 2003 Gerald, Sounds like you have done your homework. You have dealt with this before so you obviously also know the injury. When you have an avulsion (beginning) of this nature, any manner of supplementation/medication will mostly be wasted on other aspects of body development than the actual injury site. (unless it directly administered via injection) The question becomes how does the glucosamine, chondroitin or MSM act directly on only that spot? It doesn't. This basically means that taking the dosages necessary to improve the condition significantly would/could have other detrimental effects. As others have metioned, use the Os knee rap. Also involve someone who can began strengthening exercises at specific range Isometric as well as limited range eccentric. In our clinic we are not conservative at all. However we would never go the route you are suggesting for lack of information surrounding the consequences. I have a few questions which might help with further answers as well, What sport are we talking about? Your post has JUDO on it. Typically this condition is seen in soccer and other running sports. If it is Judo then you might be able to look at some specific aspect of the training which is enhancing the normal stressors for this condition. Hope this helps. Dennis Toronto Canada > I have yet another young athlete (11 years old) who has been > diagnosed with Osgood-Schlatter. The conservative remedy is of course > to stop exercising and shrivel up in a corner until the disease runs > its course. From the research I have done on this disease, my > impression is that those afflicted with O-S could benefit from taking > doses of glucosamine, chondroitin and MSM to help build the joints. > Have any of you Supertrainers had any experience with this? Any other > suggestions for moving this along without too many lost months? > -- > Gerald Lafon > > ****************************************** > * Judo America San Diego * > * Email: glafon@j... * > * Web: http://www.judoamerica.com * > * Phone: * > ****************************************** Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 2, 2003 Report Share Posted December 2, 2003 OS was always explained to me not as a growth plate problem, but as a connective tissue issue. Below the gp by the attachment on the Tibial Tuberosity. The usual " rice " is helpful for most problems of this type. In addition to the traditional " RICE " , you might want to check out Oscon. It appears to work with " RICE " on a variety of levels to help treat the painful condition. The method of action appears to be in at least three areas. First is an increase in glutathione peroxidase due to the increased presence of both organic selenium and selenium- containing enzymes. Second is the proven biological effect of certain vitamin E isomers. The most biologically active of these is RRR-a- tocopherol. Thirdly, these two micronutrients may act synergistically to reduce inflammation and pain due to free-radical activity at the injury site. Vitamin E has long been recommended as a topical wound healer, and it appears that certain forms have that effect when taken internally. More research is continuing on just why this combination is so remarkably effective in cases of Osgood-Schlatter. Improvement is almost always seen in less than a week! Hunsicker Edgerton, KS. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 4, 2003 Report Share Posted December 4, 2003 >I have a few questions which might help with further answers as well, >What sport are we talking about? Your post has JUDO on it. Typically >this condition is seen in soccer and other running sports. If it is >Judo then you might be able to look at some specific aspect of the >training which is enhancing the normal stressors for this condition. > >Hope this helps. > >Dennis This 11 year old boy (solid 100lb) does Judo and Olympic weightlifting with me and Muy Thai with someone else. He is not a runner. A few months ago, he had minor problems with his elbows. I suspected the Muy Thai. His mom eliminated the Muy Thai and the problem went away. However, dad who just got back from Iraq has put him back into an adult Muy Thai class and takes him to the gym to do additional weight training. That's how he bonds with his son! This is when the OS started to appear. My suspicion is that he is hitting bags too often and too heavy for his body and simply not resting adequately. We will definitely use the knee bands to see if that helps. -- Gerald Lafon Director of Coaching, Judo America San Diego Vice Chairman, USJA Coach Education Committee Coach, Mira Mesa Weightlifting Club Web: http://www.judoamerica.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 8, 2003 Report Share Posted December 8, 2003 Has this young man been diagnosed by a Doctor with OS? Training an 11 year old is different than training an adult. ????? Hunsicker Edgerton, KS. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 15, 2003 Report Share Posted December 15, 2003 >Has this young man been diagnosed by a Doctor with OS? Training an >11 year old is different than training an adult. ????? > > Hunsicker >Edgerton, KS. Yes, he has been diagnosed by a doctor, and yes, an 11 year old is different than an adult. I know this but dad seems to think his son can handle more. -- Gerald Lafon Director of Coaching, Judo America San Diego Vice Chairman, USJA Coach Education Committee Coach, Mira Mesa Weightlifting Club Web: http://www.judoamerica.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 15, 2003 Report Share Posted December 15, 2003 >Has this young man been diagnosed by a Doctor with OS? Training an >11 year old is different than training an adult. ????? > > Hunsicker >Edgerton, KS. Yes, he has been diagnosed by a doctor, and yes, an 11 year old is different than an adult. I know this but dad seems to think his son can handle more. -- Gerald Lafon Director of Coaching, Judo America San Diego Vice Chairman, USJA Coach Education Committee Coach, Mira Mesa Weightlifting Club Web: http://www.judoamerica.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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