Guest guest Posted December 13, 2011 Report Share Posted December 13, 2011 Kip- do your research, but in my experience steam is much preferrable as the much hotter saunas create dry heat. Steam loosens particulates from the lining of the lungs, is good for the skin and mucous membranes, and the lower temperature allows one a longer exposure to the therapy. Dry heat is harsh on the skin, eyes, lungs, etc. Saunas were originally meant to be steam rooms by pouring water on hot rocks, but now the rocks are mostly cosmetic and the electric heating elements push the dry heat up past 160*, whereas steam rooms generally maintain a much safer 115* But by all means do some research and find out for yourself. Good Health, Mike To: Rife Sent: Monday, December 12, 2011 2:51 PMSubject: Re: Re: How many times to rife? Ive been considering using a sauna to detox but debating on dry vs steam . Which do you think is best ? Ive seen foot ion machines that are supposed to detox too like iGen that I have access to .Do they work ok ? I read they where they detox organs too ! Subject: Re: How many times to rife?To: Rife Date: Monday, December 12, 2011, 3:13 PM It is advised to give your body a rest between rifing sessions to give it a chance to clear out all the debris. Some people need to wait a week between sessions. Others can do it every other day. Some of us have immediate symptoms, some delayed by days, some none at all. Each of us is different so it is important to listen to your body. It is also wise to do things to help your body eliminate toxins. There are many methods to detox. Herxing is not necessary, but does let us know things are happening. Diahrrea can definitely be a sign of something being cleared. <Hi, I am wondering how you know how often you should rife? Do you do it as often as your body can handle based on your herx reaction? Is there such thing as too much? If you are not herxing shortly after can it still be benefiting you? Can diarrhea right after be a sign of your body clearing something? Thanks for all of your wisdom.....we are new to this and trying to figure it all out.> Bonita PoulinCanadian CoordinatorGLOBAL RECOGNITION CAMPAIGNMultiple Chemical Sensitivityand other Chemically Induced Illnesses, Diseases & Injuryaffecting civilians and military personnelwww.mcs-global.org Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 26, 2011 Report Share Posted December 26, 2011 A very good system to adopt when one is rifing is an ozone steam sawna .In my opinion both complement each other very well in eliminating toxins and destroying pathogens. best regards,and health Guy > > > Subject: Re: How many times to rife? > To: Rife > Date: Monday, December 12, 2011, 3:13 PM > > > >  > > > > > It is advised to give your body a rest between rifing sessions to give it a chance to clear out all the debris. > Some people need to wait a week between sessions. Others can do it every other day. Some of us have immediate symptoms, some delayed by days, some none at all. Each of us is different so it is important to listen to your body. > It is also wise to do things to help your body eliminate toxins. There are many methods to detox. > Herxing is not necessary, but does let us know things are happening. Diahrrea can definitely be a sign of something being cleared. >  >  <Hi, I am wondering how you know how often you should rife? Do you do it as often as your body can handle based on your herx reaction? Is there such thing as too much? If you are not herxing shortly after can it still be benefiting you? Can diarrhea right after be a sign of your body clearing something? Thanks for all of your wisdom.....we are new to this and trying to figure it all out.> >  >  > Bonita Poulin Canadian Coordinator GLOBAL RECOGNITION CAMPAIGN Multiple Chemical Sensitivity and other Chemically Induced Illnesses, Diseases & Injury affecting civilians and military personnelwww.mcs-global.org > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 27, 2011 Report Share Posted December 27, 2011 There is something I have always wondered about with ozone saunas. When we sweat, water and toxins come out. How can ozone/oxygen get in at the same time? Is there always two way traffic going on? <A very good system to adopt when one is rifing is an ozone steam sauna .In my opinion both complement each other very well in eliminating toxins and destroying pathogens.> Bonita PoulinCanadian CoordinatorGLOBAL RECOGNITION CAMPAIGNMultiple Chemical Sensitivityand other Chemically Induced Illnesses, Diseases & Injuryaffecting civilians and military personnelwww.mcs-global.org Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 27, 2011 Report Share Posted December 27, 2011 There is something I have always wondered about with ozone saunas. When we sweat, water and toxins come out. How can ozone/oxygen get in at the same time? Is there always two way traffic going on? <A very good system to adopt when one is rifing is an ozone steam sauna .In my opinion both complement each other very well in eliminating toxins and destroying pathogens.> Bonita PoulinCanadian CoordinatorGLOBAL RECOGNITION CAMPAIGNMultiple Chemical Sensitivityand other Chemically Induced Illnesses, Diseases & Injuryaffecting civilians and military personnelwww.mcs-global.org Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 27, 2011 Report Share Posted December 27, 2011 I can't comment of the question you are asking Bonita,all I can say is that it does feel so good after the ozone sauna.Ninah has done much research on ozone and also you could ask Dr.Saul Pressman on ozonetherapy · ozone therapy for his explanation. I have read about this from different sources that an ozone sauna is as good as ozone IV. Best regards Guy > > There is something I have always wondered about with ozone saunas. When we sweat, water and toxins come out. How can ozone/oxygen get in at the same time? Is there always two way traffic going on? > > > <A very good system to adopt when one is rifing is an ozone steam sauna .In my opinion both complement each other very well in eliminating toxins and destroying pathogens.> > > > > Bonita Poulin > > Canadian Coordinator > GLOBAL RECOGNITION CAMPAIGN > Multiple Chemical Sensitivity > and other Chemically Induced Illnesses, Diseases & Injury > affecting civilians and military personnel > www.mcs-global.org > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 27, 2011 Report Share Posted December 27, 2011 I can't comment of the question you are asking Bonita,all I can say is that it does feel so good after the ozone sauna.Ninah has done much research on ozone and also you could ask Dr.Saul Pressman on ozonetherapy · ozone therapy for his explanation. I have read about this from different sources that an ozone sauna is as good as ozone IV. Best regards Guy > > There is something I have always wondered about with ozone saunas. When we sweat, water and toxins come out. How can ozone/oxygen get in at the same time? Is there always two way traffic going on? > > > <A very good system to adopt when one is rifing is an ozone steam sauna .In my opinion both complement each other very well in eliminating toxins and destroying pathogens.> > > > > Bonita Poulin > > Canadian Coordinator > GLOBAL RECOGNITION CAMPAIGN > Multiple Chemical Sensitivity > and other Chemically Induced Illnesses, Diseases & Injury > affecting civilians and military personnel > www.mcs-global.org > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 27, 2011 Report Share Posted December 27, 2011 I use both FIR sauna and steam and I prefer steam to a great degree. Ozone saturated steam reverts back into oxygen as it touches the skin. The amount of immediate conversion is about 98% while a few ozone molecules are absorbed deep into the body with a life of seven minutes to over 20 minutes. The molecules that linger are the powerful highly negative free radical destructors that never scavenge but only donate electrons to the free radical pool. When an ozone molecule collides with the nucleus of a damaged cell, a burst of ultraviolet light is emitted which is literally a nuclear explosion. The fact that crud is being eliminated by the steam has little to no impact on the ozone absorption through the skin. I don't like FIR but it does have a deeper penetration than does steam but it lacks the ability to wash off excreted toxins which is natural for steam. To date there is nothing that I have treated using ozonated steam that didn't quickly resolve. In the rare times that I have caught a cold, one or two sessions is all it takes to knock it out. The physical events then take the natural course as would the resolution process of any cold, however, the symptomatology that accompanies a cold is completely eliminated so I feel great while the infection slowly leaves my body. It has never failed. Caveat Emptor! Carmi Hazen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 27, 2011 Report Share Posted December 27, 2011 I took my que from the work done by Kurt Donsbach. Yes, I agree that ozone does get into the bloodstream but only a small fraction as most is instantly converted back to stable oxygen. Ed McCabe also agrees with Dr. Donsbach as far as the light emission from the collision with the nucleus of a defective and thus electrically weak diseased cell which has lost much of its electrical potential. Diseased cells that develop free radicals do so because of the weakening of the valence electrons which fall out of their orbits. The remainder thus is significantly weakened electrically and although still possessing a negative potential, it is far less negative than the ozone molecule which is strongly negative. Thus the cell appears to be positively charged which causes the collision and thus the ultimate destruction of the cell which is, in fact, a nuclear reaction. Noting to be alarmed about however, as it is simply an energy conversion taking place with the light pulse accelerating into outer space. As we all know energy and matter cannot be destroyed but can be converted from one form to another. The results I have achieved with ozonated steam is quite spectacular. I can say, based upon results, that it is a viable and highly effective means of oxygenating the body. Perhaps FIR may be better but I personally don't care for it. I just completed Harvey Kellog's book on this very topic and did not recall the references you described as being attributed to him. He stated that a artificial fever was the active mechanism of his light box which used full spectrum light from the full 49th octave and not just FIR which is only a sliver of that spectrum. He stated that the temperature of the blood was elevated by the light exposure and not due to the slight heat generated in the box. No reference was made that I can recall as to sweating from said light exposure. Hev stated that the light itself was the active agent and not heat. Caveat Emptor! Carmi Hazen ------------------------------------------------------------ >Carmi, my research and personal experience differ greatly from yours. First, ozone DOES get into the bloodstream. Second, as I have learned from Dr. Saul Pressman—one of the world's foremost experts on ozone—ozone does not destroy and it cannot be compared to or called a " free radical. " Ozone combines with toxins and neutralizes them. I would hardly equate ozone getting into the nucleus of a cell the equivalent of " a nuclear explosion " ; I think this may unduly worry people. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 27, 2011 Report Share Posted December 27, 2011 I took my que from the work done by Kurt Donsbach. Yes, I agree that ozone does get into the bloodstream but only a small fraction as most is instantly converted back to stable oxygen. Ed McCabe also agrees with Dr. Donsbach as far as the light emission from the collision with the nucleus of a defective and thus electrically weak diseased cell which has lost much of its electrical potential. Diseased cells that develop free radicals do so because of the weakening of the valence electrons which fall out of their orbits. The remainder thus is significantly weakened electrically and although still possessing a negative potential, it is far less negative than the ozone molecule which is strongly negative. Thus the cell appears to be positively charged which causes the collision and thus the ultimate destruction of the cell which is, in fact, a nuclear reaction. Noting to be alarmed about however, as it is simply an energy conversion taking place with the light pulse accelerating into outer space. As we all know energy and matter cannot be destroyed but can be converted from one form to another. The results I have achieved with ozonated steam is quite spectacular. I can say, based upon results, that it is a viable and highly effective means of oxygenating the body. Perhaps FIR may be better but I personally don't care for it. I just completed Harvey Kellog's book on this very topic and did not recall the references you described as being attributed to him. He stated that a artificial fever was the active mechanism of his light box which used full spectrum light from the full 49th octave and not just FIR which is only a sliver of that spectrum. He stated that the temperature of the blood was elevated by the light exposure and not due to the slight heat generated in the box. No reference was made that I can recall as to sweating from said light exposure. Hev stated that the light itself was the active agent and not heat. Caveat Emptor! Carmi Hazen ------------------------------------------------------------ >Carmi, my research and personal experience differ greatly from yours. First, ozone DOES get into the bloodstream. Second, as I have learned from Dr. Saul Pressman—one of the world's foremost experts on ozone—ozone does not destroy and it cannot be compared to or called a " free radical. " Ozone combines with toxins and neutralizes them. I would hardly equate ozone getting into the nucleus of a cell the equivalent of " a nuclear explosion " ; I think this may unduly worry people. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 28, 2011 Report Share Posted December 28, 2011 Harvey, I agree! Ozonated steam is definitely the answer. I have been using it on a regular basis for over 25 years now and many people have partaken of it with similar great experiences. About 15 years ago a colleague was sent home to die. The VA couldn't figure out what was doing him in. He couldn't retain solid food and had great difficulty both in standing and maintaining his balance. I dragged him to my van and got a group of kids playing basketball to assist him into the seat. He took a 1/2 hour session and could then make it back to my van under his own power, but with great difficulty. He called the next day asking for another seance. He drove over in his own vehicle. Another 1/2 hour ensued and he drove home for some much needed sleep. The next morn ing he called and said that he was eating breakfast and would pick me up early in the evening for a nice restaurant dinner. He was healed. We never figured out what it was. In defense of FIR, it does mimic exercise for the heart muscles and thus I occasionally still use it but I don't care for the form of heat. How mineral toxins can evaporate in it leaves me quite puzzled. There is little doubt that steam washes away the crud. Caveat Empror! Carmi Hazen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 28, 2011 Report Share Posted December 28, 2011 Harvey, I agree! Ozonated steam is definitely the answer. I have been using it on a regular basis for over 25 years now and many people have partaken of it with similar great experiences. About 15 years ago a colleague was sent home to die. The VA couldn't figure out what was doing him in. He couldn't retain solid food and had great difficulty both in standing and maintaining his balance. I dragged him to my van and got a group of kids playing basketball to assist him into the seat. He took a 1/2 hour session and could then make it back to my van under his own power, but with great difficulty. He called the next day asking for another seance. He drove over in his own vehicle. Another 1/2 hour ensued and he drove home for some much needed sleep. The next morn ing he called and said that he was eating breakfast and would pick me up early in the evening for a nice restaurant dinner. He was healed. We never figured out what it was. In defense of FIR, it does mimic exercise for the heart muscles and thus I occasionally still use it but I don't care for the form of heat. How mineral toxins can evaporate in it leaves me quite puzzled. There is little doubt that steam washes away the crud. Caveat Empror! Carmi Hazen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 28, 2011 Report Share Posted December 28, 2011 Thanks Neyah, That at least answers my question in reference to steam saunas. However, it remains with the FIR saunas. I only have the frequency part of your book. Bonita PoulinCanadian CoordinatorGLOBAL RECOGNITION CAMPAIGNMultiple Chemical Sensitivityand other Chemically Induced Illnesses, Diseases & Injuryaffecting civilians and military personnelwww.mcs-global.org Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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