Guest guest Posted July 2, 2005 Report Share Posted July 2, 2005 Something to note about melatonin…When used in combination with astragalus, melatonin acts to induce a synergistic effect that in turn helps the immune system produce IL-2 in your immune system function. This is of significant benefit to anyone suffering from any immune based disorder. Bruce Guilmette, Ph.D. Survive Cancer Foundation, Inc. http://www.survivecancer.net From: low dose naltrexone [mailto:low dose naltrexone ] On Behalf Of Bren Sent: Friday, July 01, 2005 6:53 PM low dose naltrexone Subject: [low dose naltrexone] Re: Twelve days in > Dear Group, > I've now been on LDN for 12 days and still having great trouble > sleeping. I skipped my dose last night and slept pretty well. > LDN has given me more energy, but energy wasn't really my problem. > Not seeing any change in spasticity, in fact, it may have gotten > worse. So I'm really debating whether to continue. What can I > look for / hope for in terms of improvement of symptoms or reduction in > side effects that would indicate I should stay on LDN? ========= LDN's MAIN purpose is to stop MS progression, NOT improve symptoms. If one gets symptom improvement from LDN then that is an added plus. You may need to back down on the milligram after 1 1/2 months on LDN if spasticity has increased. Spasticity increased with my first days on LDN but later subsided. If it does not subside then lower the dose. LDN can cause insomnia for a few weeks or more. Many of us used Melatonin taken 30 minutes before your LDN dose. Try 3mg of melatonin and if it's not enough go up to 6mg and if not enough try 9 or 10mg and up to as much as 15mg if neccessary. One takes LDN to keep his/her disease from getting any worse. SPONSORED LINKS Article health wellness Center for health and wellness Health and wellness Health and wellness program Health wellness product Health and wellness job Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 2, 2005 Report Share Posted July 2, 2005 Not to be rude but could I get this in laymans terms? --- " Bruce Guilmette, Ph.D. " <bruce@...> wrote: > Something to note about melatonin.When used in > combination with astragalus, > melatonin acts to induce a synergistic effect that > in turn helps the immune > system produce IL-2 in your immune system function. > This is of significant > benefit to anyone suffering from any immune based > disorder. > > > > Bruce Guilmette, Ph.D. > > Survive Cancer Foundation, Inc. > > <http://www.survivecancer.net> > http://www.survivecancer.net > > _____ > > From: low dose naltrexone > [mailto:low dose naltrexone ] On Behalf > Of Bren > Sent: Friday, July 01, 2005 6:53 PM > low dose naltrexone > Subject: [low dose naltrexone] Re: Twelve days in > > > > > > Dear Group, > > I've now been on LDN for 12 days and still having > great trouble > > sleeping. I skipped my dose last night and slept > pretty well. > > LDN has given me more energy, but energy wasn't > really my problem. > > Not seeing any change in spasticity, in fact, it > may have gotten > > worse. So I'm really debating whether to > continue. What can I > > look for / hope for in terms of improvement of > symptoms or reduction in > > side effects that would indicate I should stay on > LDN? > ========= > > LDN's MAIN purpose is to stop MS progression, NOT > improve symptoms. If one > gets symptom improvement from LDN then that is an > added plus. You may need > to back down on the milligram after 1 1/2 months on > LDN if spasticity has > increased. Spasticity increased with my first days > on LDN but later > subsided. If it does not subside then lower the > dose. > > LDN can cause insomnia for a few weeks or more. > Many of us used Melatonin > taken 30 minutes before your LDN dose. Try 3mg of > melatonin and if it's not > enough go up to 6mg and if not enough try 9 or 10mg > and up to as much as > 15mg if neccessary. > > One takes LDN to keep his/her disease from getting > any worse. > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 2, 2005 Report Share Posted July 2, 2005 Sorry about that. Take melatonin in combination with astragalus ( or one of about a dozen other natural compounds) and good things happen for your immune system. A synergistic effect is simply saying that the sum of the 2 parts is greater than the normal whole. One plus one = maybe 3 or 4 instead of two. Your body naturally produces a material in your immune system known as interleukin 2 which is a natural substance used to attack deformed or damaged cells. All immune related diseases such as MS, ALS, Rheumatoid Arthritis, cancer, lupus, etc… occur because the immune system does not function properly and fails to attack and remove DNA damaged cells from your body. Those damaged cells mutate into or at the very least support the existence of one or all of the above mentioned diseases. As we age, our natural ability to produce interleukin 2 is decreased as a part of growing older. By stimulating the production of this substance, we are boosting the natural ability of the body to respond to threats from disease and in turn we are able to better fight them off. Many people have the reduced immune system capacity from an early age on which allows these diseases to prey upon them at early ages. Therefore, anything that can be done to increase the immune system activity is a very welcome thing. Does this help or is there something else I can add in a way of explanation for you? Bruce Guilmette, Ph.D. Survive Cancer Foundation, Inc. http://www.survivecancer.net From: low dose naltrexone [mailto:low dose naltrexone ] On Behalf Of wensu baki Sent: Friday, July 01, 2005 9:28 PM low dose naltrexone Subject: RE: [low dose naltrexone] Re: Twelve days in Not to be rude but could I get this in laymans terms? --- " Bruce Guilmette, Ph.D. " <bruce@...> wrote: > Something to note about melatonin.When used in > combination with astragalus, > melatonin acts to induce a synergistic effect that > in turn helps the immune > system produce IL-2 in your immune system function. > This is of significant > benefit to anyone suffering from any immune based > disorder. > > > > Bruce Guilmette, Ph.D. > > Survive Cancer Foundation, Inc. > > <http://www.survivecancer.net> > http://www.survivecancer.net > > _____ > > From: low dose naltrexone > [mailto:low dose naltrexone ] On Behalf > Of Bren > Sent: Friday, July 01, 2005 6:53 PM > low dose naltrexone > Subject: [low dose naltrexone] Re: Twelve days in > > > > > > Dear Group, > > I've now been on LDN for 12 days and still having > great trouble > > sleeping. I skipped my dose last night and slept > pretty well. > > LDN has given me more energy, but energy wasn't > really my problem. > > Not seeing any change in spasticity, in fact, it > may have gotten > > worse. So I'm really debating whether to > continue. What can I > > look for / hope for in terms of improvement of > symptoms or reduction in > > side effects that would indicate I should stay on > LDN? > ========= > > LDN's MAIN purpose is to stop MS progression, NOT > improve symptoms. If one > gets symptom improvement from LDN then that is an > added plus. You may need > to back down on the milligram after 1 1/2 months on > LDN if spasticity has > increased. Spasticity increased with my first days > on LDN but later > subsided. If it does not subside then lower the > dose. > > LDN can cause insomnia for a few weeks or more. > Many of us used Melatonin > taken 30 minutes before your LDN dose. Try 3mg of > melatonin and if it's not > enough go up to 6mg and if not enough try 9 or 10mg > and up to as much as > 15mg if neccessary. > > One takes LDN to keep his/her disease from getting > any worse. > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 2, 2005 Report Share Posted July 2, 2005 In a message dated 7/1/2005 8:29:40 PM Central Daylight Time, wensubar@... writes: Not to be rude but could I get this in laymans terms? --- "Bruce Guilmette, Ph.D." <bruce@...> wrote: > Something to note about melatonin.When used in > combination with astragalus, > melatonin acts to induce a synergistic effect that > in turn helps the immune > system produce IL-2 in your immune system function. > This is of significant > benefit to anyone suffering from any immune based > disorder. ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ I am a layperson, and what I get from this is that the combo of melatonin and astragalus together help the immune system to do something beneficial for people with auto-immune conditions. I'm sure it can be explained much more complicatedly. Marcie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 3, 2005 Report Share Posted July 3, 2005 We can get melatonin here In South Africa but please what is astragalus? Astragalus sounds very very interesting. Malcolm Re: [low dose naltrexone] Re: Twelve days in In a message dated 7/1/2005 8:29:40 PM Central Daylight Time, wensubar@... writes: Not to be rude but could I get this in laymans terms? --- "Bruce Guilmette, Ph.D." <bruce@...> wrote: > Something to note about melatonin.When used in > combination with astragalus, > melatonin acts to induce a synergistic effect that > in turn helps the immune > system produce IL-2 in your immune system function. > This is of significant > benefit to anyone suffering from any immune based > disorder.++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ I am a layperson, and what I get from this is that the combo of melatonin and astragalus together help the immune system to do something beneficial for people with auto-immune conditions. I'm sure it can be explained much more complicatedly. Marcie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 3, 2005 Report Share Posted July 3, 2005 Living in the states, I do not know for sure what can be had in South Africa. Astralgus is an herb primarily used for blood vitalizing (cleansing). It is available in either pill, capsule or liquid form. A number of vendors produce it. I happen to use Gaia Herbs liquid, but NOW brand also makes capsules of it. Both are available from Total Discount Vitamins. The link is below that should take you to the “NOW” page of TDV. TDV also has NOW brand melatonin and that is where I purchase mine also. (also found further down the same linked page) I know they ship internationally, but drop them a line just to be sure that South Africa is included. http://www.totaldiscountvitamins.com/default.asp?AssocID=survivor & page=nwalpha.htm If you have any further questions, drop me a note privately, and I will help in any way I can. Regards, Bruce Guilmette, Ph.D. Survive Cancer Foundation, Inc. http://www.survivecancer.net From: low dose naltrexone [mailto:low dose naltrexone ] On Behalf Of Malcolm & Lynn Fraser Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2005 2:48 PM low dose naltrexone Subject: Re: [low dose naltrexone] Re: Twelve days in We can get melatonin here In South Africa but please what is astragalus? Astragalus sounds very very interesting. Malcolm Re: [low dose naltrexone] Re: Twelve days in In a message dated 7/1/2005 8:29:40 PM Central Daylight Time, wensubar@... writes: Not to be rude but could I get this in laymans terms? --- " Bruce Guilmette, Ph.D. " <bruce@...> wrote: > Something to note about melatonin.When used in > combination with astragalus, > melatonin acts to induce a synergistic effect that > in turn helps the immune > system produce IL-2 in your immune system function. > This is of significant > benefit to anyone suffering from any immune based > disorder. ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ I am a layperson, and what I get from this is that the combo of melatonin and astragalus together help the immune system to do something beneficial for people with auto-immune conditions. I'm sure it can be explained much more complicatedly. Marcie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 5, 2005 Report Share Posted July 5, 2005 Thank you very much. This is clearer to me,at least. I am new to this room and am trying to get used to the terminology. Your patience with explanation is greatly appreciated. --- " Bruce Guilmette, Ph.D. " <bruce@...> wrote: > Sorry about that. Take melatonin in combination > with astragalus ( or one of > about a dozen other natural compounds) and good > things happen for your > immune system. A synergistic effect is simply > saying that the sum of the 2 > parts is greater than the normal whole. One plus > one = maybe 3 or 4 instead > of two. Your body naturally produces a material in > your immune system known > as interleukin 2 which is a natural substance used > to attack deformed or > damaged cells. All immune related diseases such as > MS, ALS, Rheumatoid > Arthritis, cancer, lupus, etc. occur because the > immune system does not > function properly and fails to attack and remove DNA > damaged cells from your > body. Those damaged cells mutate into or at the > very least support the > existence of one or all of the above mentioned > diseases. As we age, our > natural ability to produce interleukin 2 is > decreased as a part of growing > older. By stimulating the production of this > substance, we are boosting the > natural ability of the body to respond to threats > from disease and in turn > we are able to better fight them off. Many people > have the reduced immune > system capacity from an early age on which allows > these diseases to prey > upon them at early ages. Therefore, anything that > can be done to increase > the immune system activity is a very welcome thing. > > > > Does this help or is there something else I can add > in a way of explanation > for you? > > > > > > > > Bruce Guilmette, Ph.D. > > Survive Cancer Foundation, Inc. > > <http://www.survivecancer.net> > http://www.survivecancer.net > > _____ > > From: low dose naltrexone > [mailto:low dose naltrexone ] On Behalf > Of wensu baki > Sent: Friday, July 01, 2005 9:28 PM > low dose naltrexone > Subject: RE: [low dose naltrexone] Re: Twelve days in > > > > Not to be rude but could I get this in laymans > terms? > > --- " Bruce Guilmette, Ph.D. " > <bruce@...> > wrote: > > > Something to note about melatonin.When used in > > combination with astragalus, > > melatonin acts to induce a synergistic effect that > > in turn helps the immune > > system produce IL-2 in your immune system > function. > > This is of significant > > benefit to anyone suffering from any immune based > > disorder. > > > > > > > > Bruce Guilmette, Ph.D. > > > > Survive Cancer Foundation, Inc. > > > > <http://www.survivecancer.net> > > http://www.survivecancer.net > > > > _____ > > > > From: low dose naltrexone > > [mailto:low dose naltrexone ] On > Behalf > > Of Bren > > Sent: Friday, July 01, 2005 6:53 PM > > low dose naltrexone > > Subject: [low dose naltrexone] Re: Twelve days in > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Group, > > > I've now been on LDN for 12 days and still > having > > great trouble > > > sleeping. I skipped my dose last night and > slept > > pretty well. > > > LDN has given me more energy, but energy wasn't > > really my problem. > > > Not seeing any change in spasticity, in fact, it > > may have gotten > > > worse. So I'm really debating whether to > > continue. What can I > > > look for / hope for in terms of improvement of > > symptoms or reduction in > > > side effects that would indicate I should stay > on > > LDN? > > ========= > > > > LDN's MAIN purpose is to stop MS progression, NOT > > improve symptoms. If one > > gets symptom improvement from LDN then that is an > > added plus. You may need > > to back down on the milligram after 1 1/2 months > on > > LDN if spasticity has > > increased. Spasticity increased with my first > days > > on LDN but later > > subsided. If it does not subside then lower the > > dose. > > > > LDN can cause insomnia for a few weeks or more. > > Many of us used Melatonin > > taken 30 minutes before your LDN dose. Try 3mg of > > melatonin and if it's not > > enough go up to 6mg and if not enough try 9 or > 10mg > > and up to as much as > > 15mg if neccessary. > > > > One takes LDN to keep his/her disease from getting > > any worse. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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