Re: Question for the Group

[Guest guest]

Eddie White wrote:

<<Can this not be a forum for us layman types can get simple easy to

understand answers to training and exercise questions? Do those of

you who so easily disparage someone for what you believe is a

foolish question ever realize that most of us do not have your level

of research understanding and that if we knew the answer we would

not be asking the question?

A person asked a question about a supplement. Could you not simply

answer the question if you indeed have any knowledge or

understanding that might be of benefit without attacking that person

for using a supplement without researching it? Do you think that

supplement companies are making billions off of people who are first

researching their products?>>

****I can certainly see Eddie's point in many cases here. Citing a

bunch of references may or may not answer someone's question. Many

people do not have the ability to even check the references because

in most instances you have to have a subscription to get the stuff

IF you can comprehend it in the first place.

I can definitely understand certain individuals wanting or needing

research back up, but Eddie is correct: For those of us who are

only training and not designing equipment or doing research,

references are of no use whatsoever. I happen to use this list as a

sounding board because I find I get very interesting opinions from

people who think. I don't care if they conflict. My question about

the Egoscue method is a good example and I will take this

opportunity to thank everyone who has (or plans to) answer me. I

thought the site was very hype-oriented but then sometimes these

folks think that if it's not written in that manner no one will pay

attention. I am just the opposite but I doubt I'm the norm or you

wouldn't see this sort of carnival prose.

As far as researching a supplement, I agree that when a question is

asked on ST, the person should get honest answers. Again, they may

conflict but that doesn't matter.

I gave the answer to thermogenics that I did because I think that

all too often people are looking for a quick fix to a situation that

must be gone at slowly. There are several articles on Dolfzine

about thermogenics with the general consensus being that the only

one that really works is ephedra. But if ephedra is going to be

yanked off the supplement market, then what?

I would like to add one more request to people who ask about

supplements. Tell us something about yourself. In the case of a

thermogenic, why do you want to use it? I would give someone who

has to make weight for a contest a much different answer than I

would someone who just wants to lose 10 pounds so they can look good

at their upcoming high school reunion. I would have even another

answer for someone who was 50 pounds over fat.

Rosemary Vernon, Editor

Dolfzine On-Line Fitness, Inc.®

A Not-For-Profit Foundation

www.dolfzine.com

Marina del Rey, CA

IronRoses@...

http://www.chuckietechie.com

[Guest guest]

Eddie,

I do not feel that this group should be here to get " simple easy to

understand answers. " I am a strength and conditioning coach and I

want to here what others have to say and I hope that they can back up

their words with research (or some practical experience). This is an

educational forum. As I tell all of my athletes, always ask why?? Too

many people in this field are looking for the easy answer. This is

not an attack on you in any way.

Mel was great for making one think and answer their own question.

Education is not being told the answer it is figuring the answer out.

I become more confused everyday and that makes me work harder and

learn more. I love to opportunity I have to read Dr Yessis and others

that I respect on this board. I have gained more knowledge trying to

figure things out and speaking to people who would not give me the

easy answer. In college (Penn State) I was often told the answer and

never given an opportunity to push my thinking but in the last five

years I have been given that opportunity. I only wish colleges (my

current employer included) educated more and stopped giving students

the answers.

Thank you

Todd E Hamer

Marist College Poughkeepsie NY

>

> <<Can this not be a forum for us layman types can get simple easy to

> understand answers to training and exercise questions? Do those of

> you who so easily disparage someone for what you believe is a

> foolish question ever realize that most of us do not have your level

> of research understanding and that if we knew the answer we would

> not be asking the question?

>

> A person asked a question about a supplement. Could you not simply

> answer the question if you indeed have any knowledge or

> understanding that might be of benefit without attacking that person

> for using a supplement without researching it? Do you think that

> supplement companies are making billions off of people who are first

> researching their products?>>

>

> ****I can certainly see Eddie's point in many cases here. Citing a

> bunch of references may or may not answer someone's question. Many

> people do not have the ability to even check the references because

> in most instances you have to have a subscription to get the stuff

> IF you can comprehend it in the first place.

>

> I can definitely understand certain individuals wanting or needing

> research back up, but Eddie is correct: For those of us who are

> only training and not designing equipment or doing research,

> references are of no use whatsoever. I happen to use this list as a

> sounding board because I find I get very interesting opinions from

> people who think. I don't care if they conflict. My question about

> the Egoscue method is a good example and I will take this

> opportunity to thank everyone who has (or plans to) answer me. I

> thought the site was very hype-oriented but then sometimes these

> folks think that if it's not written in that manner no one will pay

> attention. I am just the opposite but I doubt I'm the norm or you

> wouldn't see this sort of carnival prose.

>

> As far as researching a supplement, I agree that when a question is

> asked on ST, the person should get honest answers. Again, they may

> conflict but that doesn't matter.

>

> I gave the answer to thermogenics that I did because I think that

> all too often people are looking for a quick fix to a situation that

> must be gone at slowly. There are several articles on Dolfzine

> about thermogenics with the general consensus being that the only

> one that really works is ephedra. But if ephedra is going to be

> yanked off the supplement market, then what?

>

> I would like to add one more request to people who ask about

> supplements. Tell us something about yourself. In the case of a

> thermogenic, why do you want to use it? I would give someone who

> has to make weight for a contest a much different answer than I

> would someone who just wants to lose 10 pounds so they can look good

> at their upcoming high school reunion. I would have even another

> answer for someone who was 50 pounds over fat.

>

> Rosemary Vernon, Editor

> Dolfzine On-Line Fitness, Inc.®

> A Not-For-Profit Foundation

> www.dolfzine.com

>

> Marina del Rey, CA

> IronRoses@e...

> http://www.chuckietechie.com