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As with the last story he wrote, this is brilliant. I admire his

insight and honesty. He is not being politically correct, he is being

straightforward (perhaps his surgical training has helped him cut through the

fat and get straight to the real issue J). Yes, we should make him

aware that we are another one of the “positive outliers.” Gordon, you want to

take this one on or do you think several of us should write in to make our collective

voices heard?

From:

[mailto: ] On Behalf Of Seto

Sent: Saturday, June 13, 2009 2:47 AM

To:

Subject: Positive deviants

My wife told me about this article by Dr. Atul Gawande, a

surgeon who writes wonderful articles for New Yorker magazine. It was his

commencement address to the Pritzker School of Medicine this year. He told a

story about how a friend ran a program to reduce malnutrition in Vietnamese

villages, but they had little funding. So instead of the usual methods, they

went low-tech and travelled to different villages, identified which families

had the best nourished children and then analyzed what they were doing differently

from the other families. They were the " positive deviants " , the

outliers. They took their ideas and spread them to other villages, measured

their results and used those results to convince other villages to adopt their

methods. As a result, malnutrition dropped 65-85%, which was even more

effective than the usual methods suggested by outside experts.

Gawande then goes on to explain how the United States is now

that village:

http://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/newsdesk/2009/06/atul-gawande-university-of-chicago-medical-school-commencement-address.html

He points out that, like the researchers in Vietnam, we need

to look for successful outliers if we are to solve our healthcare crisis. But

while he zooms in to some degree of some unique models, he doesn't zoom in

small enough. I think the " positive deviants " he and the rest of the

country are looking for are IMPs.

Small, low-overhead, cost-effective practices that have

highly satisfied patients and healthcare providers, with reproducible measures

of success. Definitely outside the norm. Maybe somebody should write a letter

to the editor. Maybe I will. Maybe if a bunch of us write then, like the Whos

in Whoville, we might get heard. Comments can be sent to " themail@... " .

Yopp!

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You get up too early Brady. thanks for this Unfortunately  for  health care the sun  just appeared after years of rain so I am outside...  butlater iwill write to them GAry thanksThe other Atul Gwande article was apparenlty requested By the hospital in  TExas Mc that was NOT the rich doctor owned one .They were looking to calla atteniton to the mess down there and had tried t get 60min to come.My CEO here just came form there That hospital had been noting the strip malls of cash only MRIs and the " you cannot even imagine what the board room descrbedin the  article in the dr's hospital lookslike Jean' and of course now  I imagine CMS ay be all over that town so they should be careful w hat they asked for...  Intersting stuff.

Yestresday I had a guy I charge 80 for a visit to  got my 70 in cash  10.00 disount I felt rich wow 70.00 in touchable dollars.   He needed a CT I  do not order alot of tests but  he neededit  I said  cut a deal offer topay now -he did- and they cahrged him 1800 , he told me at 6 30lastngiht when I told him about the diverticulitis i wasn;t sure about he is so  young and goes back t o nantucket today where he works during the week so i referred him for followup to Greg Hinson are IMP maps  cool or what

 1800.00 ! for a ct.  I explained cost shifting tohim  He  sid what can I do about this and i  gave him BArack Obama's name.....Jean

,

As with the last story he wrote, this is brilliant. I admire his

insight and honesty. He is not being politically correct, he is being

straightforward (perhaps his surgical training has helped him cut through the

fat and get straight to the real issue J). Yes, we should make him

aware that we are another one of the “positive outliers.” Gordon, you want to

take this one on or do you think several of us should write in to make our collective

voices heard?

 

From:

[mailto: ] On Behalf Of Seto

Sent: Saturday, June 13, 2009 2:47 AM

To:

Subject: Positive deviants

 

My wife told me about this article by Dr. Atul Gawande, a

surgeon who writes wonderful articles for New Yorker magazine. It was his

commencement address to the Pritzker School of Medicine this year. He told a

story about how a friend ran a program to reduce malnutrition in Vietnamese

villages, but they had little funding. So instead of the usual methods, they

went low-tech and travelled to different villages, identified which families

had the best nourished children and then analyzed what they were doing differently

from the other families. They were the " positive deviants " , the

outliers. They took their ideas and spread them to other villages, measured

their results and used those results to convince other villages to adopt their

methods. As a result, malnutrition dropped 65-85%, which was even more

effective than the usual methods suggested by outside experts. 

 

Gawande then goes on to explain how the United States is now

that village:

http://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/newsdesk/2009/06/atul-gawande-university-of-chicago-medical-school-commencement-address.html

 

He points out that, like the researchers in Vietnam, we need

to look for successful outliers if we are to solve our healthcare crisis. But

while he zooms in to some degree of some unique models, he doesn't zoom in

small enough. I think the " positive deviants " he and the rest of the

country are looking for are IMPs.

 

Small, low-overhead, cost-effective practices that have

highly satisfied patients and healthcare providers, with reproducible measures

of success. Definitely outside the norm. Maybe somebody should write a letter

to the editor. Maybe I will. Maybe if a bunch of us write then, like the Whos

in Whoville, we might get heard. Comments can be sent to " themail@... " .

Yopp!

 

Seto

South Pasadena, CA

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You know ,

I kind of like the thought of being a positive deviant. Sounds

so cool and sinister and goes really well with our name. I think a bumper

sticker is in order—

IMPs. Positively Deviant (and not afraid to show it)—just

put the www.impcenter.org below

it. J

From:

[mailto: ] On Behalf Of Seto

Sent: Saturday, June 13, 2009 2:47 AM

To:

Subject: Positive deviants

My wife told me about this article by Dr. Atul Gawande, a

surgeon who writes wonderful articles for New Yorker magazine. It was his

commencement address to the Pritzker School of Medicine this year. He told a

story about how a friend ran a program to reduce malnutrition in Vietnamese

villages, but they had little funding. So instead of the usual methods, they

went low-tech and travelled to different villages, identified which families

had the best nourished children and then analyzed what they were doing differently

from the other families. They were the " positive deviants " , the

outliers. They took their ideas and spread them to other villages, measured

their results and used those results to convince other villages to adopt their

methods. As a result, malnutrition dropped 65-85%, which was even more

effective than the usual methods suggested by outside experts.

Gawande then goes on to explain how the United States is now

that village:

http://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/newsdesk/2009/06/atul-gawande-university-of-chicago-medical-school-commencement-address.html

He points out that, like the researchers in Vietnam, we need

to look for successful outliers if we are to solve our healthcare crisis. But

while he zooms in to some degree of some unique models, he doesn't zoom in

small enough. I think the " positive deviants " he and the rest of the

country are looking for are IMPs.

Small, low-overhead, cost-effective practices that have

highly satisfied patients and healthcare providers, with reproducible measures

of success. Definitely outside the norm. Maybe somebody should write a letter

to the editor. Maybe I will. Maybe if a bunch of us write then, like the Whos

in Whoville, we might get heard. Comments can be sent to " themail@... " .

Yopp!

Seto

South Pasadena, CA

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did you send a secure email to Gregg of this note? ;-)

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You get up too early Brady. thanks for this Unfortunately for health care the sun just appeared after years of rain so I am outside... butlater iwill write to them GAry thanksThe other Atul Gwande article was apparenlty requested By the hospital in TExas Mc that was NOT the rich doctor owned one .They were looking to calla atteniton to the mess down there and had tried t get 60min to come.My CEO here just came form there That hospital had been noting the strip malls of cash only MRIs and the "you cannot even imagine what the board room descrbedin the article in the dr's hospital lookslike Jean' and of course now I imagine CMS ay be all over that town so they should be careful w hat they asked for... Intersting stuff.Yestresday I had a guy I charge 80 for a visit to got my 70 in cash 10.00 disount I felt rich wow 70.00 in touchable dollars. He needed a CT I do not order alot of tests but he neededit I said cut a deal offer topay now -he did- and they cahrged him 1800 , he told me at 6 30lastngiht when I told him about the diverticulitis i wasn;t sure about he is so young and goes back t o nantucket today where he works during the week so i referred him for followup to Greg Hinson are IMP maps cool or what 1800.00 ! for a ct. I explained cost shifting tohim He sid what can I do about this and i gave him BArack Obama's name.....Jean

On Sat, Jun 13, 2009 at 7:33 AM, Dr. Brady <drbradythevillagedoctor (DOT) hrcoxmail.com> wrote:

,

As with the last story he wrote, this is brilliant. I admire his insight and honesty. He is not being politically correct, he is being straightforward (perhaps his surgical training has helped him cut through the fat and get straight to the real issue J). Yes, we should make him aware that we are another one of the “positive outliers.” Gordon, you want to take this one on or do you think several of us should write in to make our collective voices heard?

From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of SetoSent: Saturday, June 13, 2009 2:47 AMTo: Subject: Positive deviants

My wife told me about this article by Dr. Atul Gawande, a surgeon who writes wonderful articles for New Yorker magazine. It was his commencement address to the Pritzker School of Medicine this year. He told a story about how a friend ran a program to reduce malnutrition in Vietnamese villages, but they had little funding. So instead of the usual methods, they went low-tech and travelled to different villages, identified which families had the best nourished children and then analyzed what they were doing differently from the other families. They were the "positive deviants", the outliers. They took their ideas and spread them to other villages, measured their results and used those results to convince other villages to adopt their methods. As a result, malnutrition dropped 65-85%, which was even more effective than the usual methods suggested by outside experts.

Gawande then goes on to explain how the United States is now that village:

http://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/newsdesk/2009/06/atul-gawande-university-of-chicago-medical-school-commencement-address.html

He points out that, like the researchers in Vietnam, we need to look for successful outliers if we are to solve our healthcare crisis. But while he zooms in to some degree of some unique models, he doesn't zoom in small enough. I think the "positive deviants" he and the rest of the country are looking for are IMPs.

Small, low-overhead, cost-effective practices that have highly satisfied patients and healthcare providers, with reproducible measures of success. Definitely outside the norm. Maybe somebody should write a letter to the editor. Maybe I will. Maybe if a bunch of us write then, like the Whos in Whoville, we might get heard. Comments can be sent to "themailnewyorker". Yopp!

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IMP needs a study or demonstration project that can measure the economic

and quality impact of small, networked ideal practices and gain

credibility and visibility among the reform planners. Otherwise, ideal

practices, like other small practices, may be marginalized and pushed

aside by the reforms designed to create either less than ideal medical

homes (PCMH) or large integrated systems via accountable care organizations.

Gordon and the other well connected folks here may have ideas on how to

do this.

The irony is that the Dartmouth Atlas group seems highly regarded by the

reformers and yet IMP also has significant ties to Dartmouth via Dr

Wasson and the Clinical Microsystems group (if I understand IMP history

correctly).

R. Pierce MD

Rockport, Maine

www.midcoastmedicine.com

Dr. Brady wrote:

>

>

> Dude is amazingly accomplished and has a cool website at

> www.gawande.com <http://www.gawande.com>. We can e-mail him through

> his website, but I don’t know if it would be nice for us all to

> barrage him. What do others think?

>

>

>

> *From:*

> [mailto: ] *On Behalf Of * Eads

> *Sent:* Saturday, June 13, 2009 12:45 PM

> *To:*

> *Subject:* RE: Positive deviants

>

>

>

>

> We gotta tell Dr. Gawande about IMPs! Anyone know how to contact him?

> Via the New Yorker??

>

> Eads, MD

>

> Pinnacle Family Medicine

>

> Colorado Springs, Colorado

>

> www.PinnacleFamilyMedicine.com

>

> *From:*

> [mailto: ] *On Behalf Of * Seto

> *Sent:* Saturday, June 13, 2009 12:47 AM

> *To:*

> *Subject:* Positive deviants

>

>

>

>

>

> My wife told me about this article by Dr. Atul Gawande, a surgeon who

> writes wonderful articles for New Yorker magazine. It was his

> commencement address to the Pritzker School of Medicine this year. He

> told a story about how a friend ran a program to reduce malnutrition

> in Vietnamese villages, but they had little funding. So instead of the

> usual methods, they went low-tech and travelled to different villages,

> identified which families had the best nourished children and then

> analyzed what they were doing differently from the other families.

> They were the " positive deviants " , the outliers. They took their ideas

> and spread them to other villages, measured their results and used

> those results to convince other villages to adopt their methods. As a

> result, malnutrition dropped 65-85%, which was even more effective

> than the usual methods suggested by outside experts.

>

> Gawande then goes on to explain how the United States is now that village:

>

>

http://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/newsdesk/2009/06/atul-gawande-university-o\

f-chicago-medical-school-commencement-address.html

>

<http://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/newsdesk/2009/06/atul-gawande-university-\

of-chicago-medical-school-commencement-address.html>

>

> He points out that, like the researchers in Vietnam, we need to look

> for successful outliers if we are to solve our healthcare crisis. But

> while he zooms in to some degree of some unique models, he doesn't

> zoom in small enough. I think the " positive deviants " he and the rest

> of the country are looking for are IMPs.

>

> Small, low-overhead, cost-effective practices that have highly

> satisfied patients and healthcare providers, with reproducible

> measures of success. Definitely outside the norm. Maybe somebody

> should write a letter to the editor. Maybe I will. Maybe if a bunch of

> us write then, like the Whos in Whoville, we might get heard. Comments

> can be sent to " themail@... " . Yopp!

>

> Seto

>

> South Pasadena, CA

>

>

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Sent an e-mail to the New Yorker...

>

> My wife told me about this article by Dr. Atul Gawande, a surgeon who

> writes wonderful articles for New Yorker magazine. It was his

> commencement address to the Pritzker School of Medicine this year. He

> told a story about how a friend ran a program to reduce malnutrition

> in Vietnamese villages, but they had little funding. So instead of the

> usual methods, they went low-tech and travelled to different villages,

> identified which families had the best nourished children and then

> analyzed what they were doing differently from the other families.

> They were the " positive deviants " , the outliers. They took their ideas

> and spread them to other villages, measured their results and used

> those results to convince other villages to adopt their methods. As a

> result, malnutrition dropped 65-85%, which was even more effective

> than the usual methods suggested by outside experts.

>

> Gawande then goes on to explain how the United States is now that

> village:

>

http://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/newsdesk/2009/06/atul-gawande-university-o\

f-chicago-medical-school-commencement-address.html

>

> He points out that, like the researchers in Vietnam, we need to look

> for successful outliers if we are to solve our healthcare crisis. But

> while he zooms in to some degree of some unique models, he doesn't

> zoom in small enough. I think the " positive deviants " he and the rest

> of the country are looking for are IMPs.

>

> Small, low-overhead, cost-effective practices that have highly

> satisfied patients and healthcare providers, with reproducible

> measures of success. Definitely outside the norm. Maybe somebody

> should write a letter to the editor. Maybe I will. Maybe if a bunch of

> us write then, like the Whos in Whoville, we might get heard. Comments

> can be sent to " themail@... " . Yopp!

>

> Seto

> South Pasadena, CA

>

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One way we can do this is by entering the X prize for medicine--I strongly believe that IMP practices fit the requirements for the X prize and the group should join:  the sponsors are looking for a paradigmatic shift in healthcare delivery, specifically a 50% improvement in measurable outcomes at a decreased cost--the key feature that IMP has is the PCP and the relationship we have with patients over time.  Gordon and the group should join. 

IMP needs a study or demonstration project that can measure the economicand quality impact of small, networked ideal practices and gain

credibility and visibility among the reform planners. Otherwise, idealpractices, like other small practices, may be marginalized and pushedaside by the reforms designed to create either less than ideal medical

homes (PCMH) or large integrated systems via accountable care organizations.Gordon and the other well connected folks here may have ideas on how todo this.The irony is that the Dartmouth Atlas group seems highly regarded by the

reformers and yet IMP also has significant ties to Dartmouth via DrWasson and the Clinical Microsystems group (if I understand IMP historycorrectly). R. Pierce MDRockport, Maine

www.midcoastmedicine.com

Dr. Brady wrote:>>> Dude is amazingly accomplished and has a cool website at> www.gawande.com <http://www.gawande.com>. We can e-mail him through

> his website, but I don’t know if it would be nice for us all to> barrage him. What do others think?>> >> *From:*

> [mailto: ] *On Behalf Of * Eads> *Sent:* Saturday, June 13, 2009 12:45 PM> *To:*

> *Subject:* RE: Positive deviants>>>>> We gotta tell Dr. Gawande about IMPs! Anyone know how to contact him?> Via the New Yorker??>> Eads, MD

>> Pinnacle Family Medicine>> Colorado Springs, Colorado>> www.PinnacleFamilyMedicine.com>> *From:*

> [mailto: ] *On Behalf Of * Seto> *Sent:* Saturday, June 13, 2009 12:47 AM> *To:*

> *Subject:* Positive deviants>>>>>> My wife told me about this article by Dr. Atul Gawande, a surgeon who> writes wonderful articles for New Yorker magazine. It was his

> commencement address to the Pritzker School of Medicine this year. He> told a story about how a friend ran a program to reduce malnutrition> in Vietnamese villages, but they had little funding. So instead of the

> usual methods, they went low-tech and travelled to different villages,> identified which families had the best nourished children and then> analyzed what they were doing differently from the other families.

> They were the " positive deviants " , the outliers. They took their ideas> and spread them to other villages, measured their results and used> those results to convince other villages to adopt their methods. As a

> result, malnutrition dropped 65-85%, which was even more effective> than the usual methods suggested by outside experts.>> Gawande then goes on to explain how the United States is now that village:

>> http://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/newsdesk/2009/06/atul-gawande-university-of-chicago-medical-school-commencement-address.html

> <http://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/newsdesk/2009/06/atul-gawande-university-of-chicago-medical-school-commencement-address.html>

>> He points out that, like the researchers in Vietnam, we need to look> for successful outliers if we are to solve our healthcare crisis. But> while he zooms in to some degree of some unique models, he doesn't

> zoom in small enough. I think the " positive deviants " he and the rest> of the country are looking for are IMPs.>> Small, low-overhead, cost-effective practices that have highly> satisfied patients and healthcare providers, with reproducible

> measures of success. Definitely outside the norm. Maybe somebody> should write a letter to the editor. Maybe I will. Maybe if a bunch of> us write then, like the Whos in Whoville, we might get heard. Comments

> can be sent to " themail@... " . Yopp!>> Seto>> South Pasadena, CA>>------------------------------------

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We have., L. G., & Wasson, J. H. An introduction to technology for

patient-centered, collaborative care. Journal of Ambulatory Care

Management, July-September 2006

29(3), 195–198.

Wasson, J. H., , D. J., , R., ,

J., & MacKenzie, T. A. Patients

report positive impacts of collaborative care. Journal of Ambulatory

Care Management, July-September 2006 29(3), 199–206.this article describes the link between patient experience of care and typical quality metrics like A1c, missed days from work, hospitalization rates.

LG, Wasson JH. The Ideal Medical

Practice Model: Maximizing Efficiency, Quality, and the Doctor-Patient

Relationship. Family Practice Management September

2007 pp. 20-24This article compares IMP to non-IMP in terms of ability to deliver patient-centered collaborative care.G

IMP needs a study or demonstration project that can measure the economic and quality impact of small, networked ideal practices and gain credibility and visibility among the reform planners. Otherwise, ideal practices, like other small practices, may be marginalized and pushed aside by the reforms designed to create either less than ideal medical homes (PCMH) or large integrated systems via accountable care organizations.Gordon and the other well connected folks here may have ideas on how to do this.The irony is that the Dartmouth Atlas group seems highly regarded by the reformers and yet IMP also has significant ties to Dartmouth via Dr Wasson and the Clinical Microsystems group (if I understand IMP history correctly). R. Pierce MDRockport, Mainewww.midcoastmedicine.comDr. Brady wrote:Dude is amazingly accomplished and has a cool website at www.gawande.com <http://www.gawande.com>. We can e-mail him through his website, but I don’t know if it would be nice for us all to barrage him. What do others think?*From:* [mailto: ] *On Behalf Of * Eads*Sent:* Saturday, June 13, 2009 12:45 PM*To:* *Subject:* RE: Positive deviantsWe gotta tell Dr. Gawande about IMPs! Anyone know how to contact him? Via the New Yorker?? Eads, MDPinnacle Family MedicineColorado Springs, Coloradowww.PinnacleFamilyMedicine.com*From:* [mailto: ] *On Behalf Of * Seto*Sent:* Saturday, June 13, 2009 12:47 AM*To:* *Subject:* Positive deviantsMy wife told me about this article by Dr. Atul Gawande, a surgeon who writes wonderful articles for New Yorker magazine. It was his commencement address to the Pritzker School of Medicine this year. He told a story about how a friend ran a program to reduce malnutrition in Vietnamese villages, but they had little funding. So instead of the usual methods, they went low-tech and travelled to different villages, identified which families had the best nourished children and then analyzed what they were doing differently from the other families. They were the "positive deviants", the outliers. They took their ideas and spread them to other villages, measured their results and used those results to convince other villages to adopt their methods. As a result, malnutrition dropped 65-85%, which was even more effective than the usual methods suggested by outside experts.Gawande then goes on to explain how the United States is now that village:http://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/newsdesk/2009/06/atul-gawande-university-of-chicago-medical-school-commencement-address.html <http://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/newsdesk/2009/06/atul-gawande-university-of-chicago-medical-school-commencement-address.html>He points out that, like the researchers in Vietnam, we need to look for successful outliers if we are to solve our healthcare crisis. But while he zooms in to some degree of some unique models, he doesn't zoom in small enough. I think the "positive deviants" he and the rest of the country are looking for are IMPs.Small, low-overhead, cost-effective practices that have highly satisfied patients and healthcare providers, with reproducible measures of success. Definitely outside the norm. Maybe somebody should write a letter to the editor. Maybe I will. Maybe if a bunch of us write then, like the Whos in Whoville, we might get heard. Comments can be sent to "themail@...". Yopp! SetoSouth Pasadena, CA------------------------------------

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Liza,

I think Gordon looked into this and the way it is set up, they

(the organizers) point you to an area and then let you do your thing. In order

for IMPs to be involved in this, we would have to have 10 or so docs ready to

relocate to the specified area, then somehow make ends meet for the specified

time (I think it is 2 years) and then we could enter our data in to win the

prize. In other words, it is lots of difficult coordination and sacrifice to

prove what we do.

I agree this would be a wonderful forum to “show off”

our talents, but it would really only work if we were somehow allowed to each

use our own data where we exist now and add it together. Unfortunately, that is

not how the X-prize is set up (at least as far as I understand it).

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Sent: Sunday, June 14, 2009 1:02 PM

To:

Subject: Re: Positive deviants

One way we can do this is by entering the X

prize for medicine--I strongly believe that IMP practices fit the requirements

for the X prize and the group should join: the sponsors are looking

for a paradigmatic shift in healthcare delivery, specifically a 50% improvement

in measurable outcomes at a decreased cost--the key feature that IMP has is the

PCP and the relationship we have with patients over time. Gordon and the

group should join.

On Sat, Jun 13, 2009 at 6:26 PM, Pierce

wrote:

IMP needs a study or demonstration project that can measure

the economic

and quality impact of small, networked ideal practices and gain

credibility and visibility among the reform planners. Otherwise, ideal

practices, like other small practices, may be marginalized and pushed

aside by the reforms designed to create either less than ideal medical

homes (PCMH) or large integrated systems via accountable care organizations.

Gordon and the other well connected folks here may have ideas on how to

do this.

The irony is that the Dartmouth Atlas group seems highly regarded by the

reformers and yet IMP also has significant ties to Dartmouth via Dr

Wasson and the Clinical Microsystems group (if I understand IMP history

correctly).

R. Pierce MD

Rockport, Maine

www.midcoastmedicine.com

Dr. Brady wrote:

>

>

> Dude is amazingly accomplished and has a cool website at

> www.gawande.com

<http://www.gawande.com>.

We can e-mail him through

> his website, but I

don’t know if it would be nice for us all to

> barrage him. What do others think?

>

>

>

> *From:*

> [mailto: ]

*On Behalf Of * Eads

> *Sent:* Saturday, June 13, 2009 12:45 PM

> *To:*

> *Subject:* RE: Positive deviants

>

>

>

>

> We gotta tell Dr. Gawande about IMPs! Anyone know how to contact him?

> Via the New Yorker??

>

> Eads, MD

>

> Pinnacle Family Medicine

>

> Colorado Springs, Colorado

>

> www.PinnacleFamilyMedicine.com

>

> *From:*

> [mailto: ]

*On Behalf Of * Seto

> *Sent:* Saturday, June 13, 2009 12:47 AM

> *To:*

> *Subject:* Positive deviants

>

>

>

>

>

> My wife told me about this article by Dr. Atul Gawande, a surgeon who

> writes wonderful articles for New Yorker magazine. It was his

> commencement address to the Pritzker School of Medicine this year. He

> told a story about how a friend ran a program to reduce malnutrition

> in Vietnamese villages, but they had little funding. So instead of the

> usual methods, they went low-tech and travelled to different villages,

> identified which families had the best nourished children and then

> analyzed what they were doing differently from the other families.

> They were the " positive deviants " , the outliers. They took their

ideas

> and spread them to other villages, measured their results and used

> those results to convince other villages to adopt their methods. As a

> result, malnutrition dropped 65-85%, which was even more effective

> than the usual methods suggested by outside experts.

>

> Gawande then goes on to explain how the United States is now that village:

>

> http://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/newsdesk/2009/06/atul-gawande-university-of-chicago-medical-school-commencement-address.html

> <http://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/newsdesk/2009/06/atul-gawande-university-of-chicago-medical-school-commencement-address.html>

>

> He points out that, like the researchers in Vietnam, we need to look

> for successful outliers if we are to solve our healthcare crisis. But

> while he zooms in to some degree of some unique models, he doesn't

> zoom in small enough. I think the " positive deviants " he and the

rest

> of the country are looking for are IMPs.

>

> Small, low-overhead, cost-effective practices that have highly

> satisfied patients and healthcare providers, with reproducible

> measures of success. Definitely outside the norm. Maybe somebody

> should write a letter to the editor. Maybe I will. Maybe if a bunch of

> us write then, like the Whos in Whoville, we might get heard. Comments

> can be sent to " themail@... " .

Yopp!

>

> Seto

>

> South Pasadena, CA

>

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in an effort to be clear - there is

a significant policy difference between the dartmouth atlas and the IMP

" movement " . the dartmouth atlas represents a fact while the IMP

" movement " reprsents a health care solution.

the dartmouth atlas, excellent as it

is, represents a well known observation of a fact: significant variations

in medical care. this fact has been well known for almost 50 years. and

very little has been done about this fact. the dartmouth atlas people propose

no solution other than a theoretical model which has not been implemented

anywhere (the accountable health care organization) and which has not insignificant

challenges.

the IMP " movement " represents

an attempt at one aspect of a solution to the variation in practice patterns

importantly documented by the dartmouth atlas people. as such the movement

steps on others toes. i am optimistic that this " movement " will

overtime catch significant fire.

norbert

" L. Gordon "

Sent by:

06/14/2009 01:23 PM

Please respond to

To

cc

Subject

Re: Positive

deviants

We have.

, L. G., & Wasson, J. H. An introduction to

technology for patient-centered, collaborative care. Journal of

Ambulatory Care Management, July-September 2006 29(3),

195–198.

Wasson, J. H., , D. J., , R., ,

J., & MacKenzie, T. A. Patients report positive impacts of collaborative

care. Journal of Ambulatory Care Management, July-September

2006 29(3), 199–206.

this article describes the link between patient

experience of care and typical quality metrics like A1c, missed days from

work, hospitalization rates.

LG, Wasson JH. The Ideal Medical

Practice Model: Maximizing Efficiency, Quality, and the Doctor-Patient

Relationship. Family Practice Management September 2007

pp. 20-24

This article compares IMP to non-IMP in terms

of ability to deliver patient-centered collaborative care.

G

IMP needs a study or demonstration project that can measure

the economic

and quality impact of small, networked ideal practices and gain

credibility and visibility among the reform planners. Otherwise, ideal

practices, like other small practices, may be marginalized and pushed

aside by the reforms designed to create either less than ideal medical

homes (PCMH) or large integrated systems via accountable care organizations.

Gordon and the other well connected folks here may have ideas on how to

do this.

The irony is that the Dartmouth Atlas group seems highly regarded by the

reformers and yet IMP also has significant ties to Dartmouth via Dr

Wasson and the Clinical Microsystems group (if I understand IMP history

correctly).

R. Pierce MD

Rockport, Maine

www.midcoastmedicine.com

Dr. Brady wrote:

Dude is amazingly accomplished and has a cool website

at

www.gawande.com <http://www.gawande.com>.

We can e-mail him through

his website, but I don’t know if it would be nice for

us all to

barrage him. What do others think?

*From:*

[mailto: ] *On Behalf

Of * Eads

*Sent:* Saturday, June 13, 2009 12:45 PM

*To:*

*Subject:* RE: Positive deviants

We gotta tell Dr. Gawande about IMPs! Anyone know how

to contact him?

Via the New Yorker??

Eads, MD

Pinnacle Family Medicine

Colorado Springs, Colorado

www.PinnacleFamilyMedicine.com

*From:*

[mailto: ] *On Behalf

Of * Seto

*Sent:* Saturday, June 13, 2009 12:47 AM

*To:*

*Subject:* Positive deviants

My wife told me about this article by Dr. Atul Gawande,

a surgeon who

writes wonderful articles for New Yorker magazine. It

was his

commencement address to the Pritzker School of Medicine

this year. He

told a story about how a friend ran a program to reduce

malnutrition

in Vietnamese villages, but they had little funding. So

instead of the

usual methods, they went low-tech and travelled to different

villages,

identified which families had the best nourished children

and then

analyzed what they were doing differently from the other

families.

They were the " positive deviants " , the outliers.

They took their ideas

and spread them to other villages, measured their results

and used

those results to convince other villages to adopt their

methods. As a

result, malnutrition dropped 65-85%, which was even more

effective

than the usual methods suggested by outside experts.

Gawande then goes on to explain how the United States

is now that village:

http://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/newsdesk/2009/06/atul-gawande-university-of-chicago-medical-school-commencement-address.html

<http://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/newsdesk/2009/06/atul-gawande-university-of-chicago-medical-school-commencement-address.html>

He points out that, like the researchers in Vietnam, we

need to look

for successful outliers if we are to solve our healthcare

crisis. But

while he zooms in to some degree of some unique models,

he doesn't

zoom in small enough. I think the " positive deviants "

he and the rest

of the country are looking for are IMPs.

Small, low-overhead, cost-effective practices that have

highly

satisfied patients and healthcare providers, with reproducible

measures of success. Definitely outside the norm. Maybe

somebody

should write a letter to the editor. Maybe I will. Maybe

if a bunch of

us write then, like the Whos in Whoville, we might get

heard. Comments

can be sent to " themail@... " . Yopp!

Seto

South Pasadena, CA

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There is a possibility here.I agree that the way we practice would be a perfect platform, assuming we could convince 10 local PCPs (and maybe seed the community with some ringers) to engage in the full scope of effective primary care.The prize organizers expect to be able to join together applicants who have part of the solution. We could link up with a funding source that is interested in a delivery system solution.Anyone with passion and time out there want to help work on this?GLiza,I think Gordon looked into this and the way it is set up, they (the organizers) point you to an area and then let you do your thing. In order for IMPs to be involved in this, we would have to have 10 or so docs ready to relocate to the specified area, then somehow make ends meet for the specified time (I think it is 2 years) and then we could enter our data in to win the prize. In other words, it is lots of difficult coordination and sacrifice to prove what we do.I agree this would be a wonderful forum to “show off” our talents, but it would really only work if we were somehow allowed to each use our own data where we exist now and add it together. Unfortunately, that is not how the X-prize is set up (at least as far as I understand it). From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of Liza SamsonSent: Sunday, June 14, 2009 1:02 PMTo: Subject: Re: Positive deviants One way we can do this is by entering the X prize for medicine--I strongly believe that IMP practices fit the requirements for the X prize and the group should join: the sponsors are looking for a paradigmatic shift in healthcare delivery, specifically a 50% improvement in measurable outcomes at a decreased cost--the key feature that IMP has is the PCP and the relationship we have with patients over time. Gordon and the group should join. On Sat, Jun 13, 2009 at 6:26 PM, Pierce <bpiercemidcoastmedicine> wrote:IMP needs a study or demonstration project that can measure the economicand quality impact of small, networked ideal practices and gaincredibility and visibility among the reform planners. Otherwise, idealpractices, like other small practices, may be marginalized and pushedaside by the reforms designed to create either less than ideal medicalhomes (PCMH) or large integrated systems via accountable care organizations.Gordon and the other well connected folks here may have ideas on how todo this.The irony is that the Dartmouth Atlas group seems highly regarded by thereformers and yet IMP also has significant ties to Dartmouth via DrWasson and the Clinical Microsystems group (if I understand IMP historycorrectly). R. Pierce MDRockport, Mainewww.midcoastmedicine.comDr. Brady wrote:>>> Dude is amazingly accomplished and has a cool website at> www.gawande.com <http://www.gawande.com>. We can e-mail him through> his website, but I don’t know if it would be nice for us all to> barrage him. What do others think?>> >> *From:* > [mailto: ] *On Behalf Of * Eads> *Sent:* Saturday, June 13, 2009 12:45 PM> *To:* > *Subject:* RE: Positive deviants>>>>> We gotta tell Dr. Gawande about IMPs! Anyone know how to contact him?> Via the New Yorker??>> Eads, MD>> Pinnacle Family Medicine>> Colorado Springs, Colorado>> www.PinnacleFamilyMedicine.com>> *From:* > [mailto: ] *On Behalf Of * Seto> *Sent:* Saturday, June 13, 2009 12:47 AM> *To:* > *Subject:* Positive deviants>>>>>> My wife told me about this article by Dr. Atul Gawande, a surgeon who> writes wonderful articles for New Yorker magazine. It was his> commencement address to the Pritzker School of Medicine this year. He> told a story about how a friend ran a program to reduce malnutrition> in Vietnamese villages, but they had little funding. So instead of the> usual methods, they went low-tech and travelled to different villages,> identified which families had the best nourished children and then> analyzed what they were doing differently from the other families.> They were the "positive deviants", the outliers. They took their ideas> and spread them to other villages, measured their results and used> those results to convince other villages to adopt their methods. As a> result, malnutrition dropped 65-85%, which was even more effective> than the usual methods suggested by outside experts.>> Gawande then goes on to explain how the United States is now that village:>> http://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/newsdesk/2009/06/atul-gawande-university-of-chicago-medical-school-commencement-address.html> <http://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/newsdesk/2009/06/atul-gawande-university-of-chicago-medical-school-commencement-address.html>>> He points out that, like the researchers in Vietnam, we need to look> for successful outliers if we are to solve our healthcare crisis. But> while he zooms in to some degree of some unique models, he doesn't> zoom in small enough. I think the "positive deviants" he and the rest> of the country are looking for are IMPs.>> Small, low-overhead, cost-effective practices that have highly> satisfied patients and healthcare providers, with reproducible> measures of success. Definitely outside the norm. Maybe somebody> should write a letter to the editor. Maybe I will. Maybe if a bunch of> us write then, like the Whos in Whoville, we might get heard. Comments> can be sent to "themailnewyorker". Yopp!>> Seto>> South Pasadena, CA>>------------------------------------

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Excellent analysis and right on target.One of the solutions I find most intriguing and described in Gawande's New Yorker piece is the 'virtual accountable organization' in Colorado.What if a group of PCPs in a region banded together around quality and worked to better the health outcomes of the people they served? What if that group were able to catch the attention of local entities that then were more willing to join in solutions (e.g. hospitals really working to inform community docs about inpatients and to work on transitions, etc)?It would be terrific if there were a concentration of IMPs in a region that could work together like this.Gordonin an effort to be clear - there is a significant policy difference between the dartmouth atlas and the IMP "movement". the dartmouth atlas represents a fact while the IMP "movement" reprsents a health care solution. the dartmouth atlas, excellent as it is, represents a well known observation of a fact: significant variations in medical care. this fact has been well known for almost 50 years. and very little has been done about this fact. the dartmouth atlas people propose no solution other than a theoretical model which has not been implemented anywhere (the accountable health care organization) and which has not insignificant challenges. the IMP "movement" represents an attempt at one aspect of a solution to the variation in practice patterns importantly documented by the dartmouth atlas people. as such the movement steps on others toes. i am optimistic that this "movement" will overtime catch significant fire. norbert "L. Gordon " <gmooreidealhealthnetwork> Sent by: 06/14/2009 01:23 PMPlease respond to To ccSubjectRe: Positive deviantsWe have., L. G., & Wasson, J. H. An introduction to technology for patient-centered, collaborative care. Journal of Ambulatory Care Management, July-September 2006 29(3), 195–198.Wasson, J. H., , D. J., , R., , J., & MacKenzie, T. A.Patients report positive impacts of collaborative care. Journal of Ambulatory Care Management, July-September 2006 29(3), 199–206.this article describes the link between patient experience of care and typical quality metrics like A1c, missed days from work, hospitalization rates. LG, Wasson JH. The Ideal Medical Practice Model: Maximizing Efficiency, Quality, and the Doctor-Patient Relationship. Family Practice Management September 2007 pp. 20-24This article compares IMP to non-IMP in terms of ability to deliver patient-centered collaborative care.G IMP needs a study or demonstration project that can measure the economic and quality impact of small, networked ideal practices and gain credibility and visibility among the reform planners. Otherwise, ideal practices, like other small practices, may be marginalized and pushed aside by the reforms designed to create either less than ideal medical homes (PCMH) or large integrated systems via accountable care organizations.Gordon and the other well connected folks here may have ideas on how to do this.The irony is that the Dartmouth Atlas group seems highly regarded by the reformers and yet IMP also has significant ties to Dartmouth via Dr Wasson and the Clinical Microsystems group (if I understand IMP history correctly). R. Pierce MDRockport, Mainewww.midcoastmedicine.comDr. Brady wrote: Dude is amazingly accomplished and has a cool website at www.gawande.com <http://www.gawande.com>. We can e-mail him through his website, but I don’t know if it would be nice for us all to barrage him. What do others think? *From:* [mailto: ] *On Behalf Of * Eads *Sent:* Saturday, June 13, 2009 12:45 PM *To:* *Subject:* RE: Positive deviants We gotta tell Dr. Gawande about IMPs! Anyone know how to contact him? Via the New Yorker?? Eads, MD Pinnacle Family Medicine Colorado Springs, Colorado www.PinnacleFamilyMedicine.com *From:* [mailto: ] *On Behalf Of * Seto *Sent:* Saturday, June 13, 2009 12:47 AM *To:* *Subject:* Positive deviants My wife told me about this article by Dr. Atul Gawande, a surgeon who writes wonderful articles for New Yorker magazine. It was his commencement address to the Pritzker School of Medicine this year. He told a story about how a friend ran a program to reduce malnutrition in Vietnamese villages, but they had little funding. So instead of the usual methods, they went low-tech and travelled to different villages, identified which families had the best nourished children and then analyzed what they were doing differently from the other families. They were the "positive deviants", the outliers. They took their ideas and spread them to other villages, measured their results and used those results to convince other villages to adopt their methods. As a result, malnutrition dropped 65-85%, which was even more effective than the usual methods suggested by outside experts. Gawande then goes on to explain how the United States is now that village: http://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/newsdesk/2009/06/atul-gawande-university-of-chicago-medical-school-commencement-address.html <http://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/newsdesk/2009/06/atul-gawande-university-of-chicago-medical-school-commencement-address.html> He points out that, like the researchers in Vietnam, we need to look for successful outliers if we are to solve our healthcare crisis. Butwhile he zooms in to some degree of some unique models, he doesn't zoom in small enough. I think the "positive deviants" he and the rest of the country are looking for are IMPs. Small, low-overhead, cost-effective practices that have highly satisfied patients and healthcare providers, with reproducible measures of success. Definitely outside the norm. Maybe somebody should write a letter to the editor. Maybe I will. Maybe if a bunch of us write then, like the Whos in Whoville, we might get heard. Comments can be sent to "themailnewyorker". Yopp! Seto South Pasadena, CA ------------------------------------

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Believe or not I am working on the same idea, even have an app

that permits all doctors within the system to access each other calendar for

referrals.  My plan is to bind this into my virtual hospital service and

provide home care and semi acute care at the home, instead of hospital, think cellulites

that needs 2 days IV Abx.

My rough estimate is that I can slash Hospital cost at least in

half.

José form Hoboken.

From:

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Sent: Sunday, June 14, 2009 2:17 PM

To:

Subject: Re: Positive deviants

Excellent analysis and right on target.

One of the solutions I find most intriguing and described in

Gawande's New Yorker piece is the 'virtual accountable organization' in

Colorado.

What if a group of PCPs in a region banded together around

quality and worked to better the health outcomes of the people they served?

What if that group were able to catch the attention of local entities

that then were more willing to join in solutions (e.g. hospitals really working

to inform community docs about inpatients and to work on transitions, etc)?

It would be terrific if there were a concentration of IMPs

in a region that could work together like this.

Gordon

in an effort to be clear - there is a significant policy

difference between the dartmouth atlas and the IMP " movement " . the

dartmouth atlas represents a fact while the IMP " movement " reprsents

a health care solution.

the dartmouth atlas, excellent as it is, represents a well known

observation of a fact: significant variations in medical care. this fact has

been well known for almost 50 years. and very little has been done about this fact.

the dartmouth atlas people propose no solution other than a theoretical model

which has not been implemented anywhere (the accountable health care

organization) and which has not insignificant challenges.

the IMP " movement " represents an attempt at one aspect

of a solution to the variation in practice patterns importantly documented by

the dartmouth atlas people. as such the movement steps on others toes. i am

optimistic that this " movement " will overtime catch significant fire.

norbert

" L.

Gordon "

Sent by:

06/14/2009

01:23 PM

Please respond to

To

cc

Subject

Re:

Positive deviants

We have.

, L. G., & Wasson, J. H. An introduction to technology for

patient-centered, collaborative care. Journal

of Ambulatory Care Management, July-September 2006 29(3), 195–198.

Wasson, J. H., , D. J., ,

R., , J., & MacKenzie, T. A.Patients report positive impacts

of collaborative care. Journal

of Ambulatory Care Management, July-September 2006 29(3), 199–206.

this article describes the

link between patient experience of care and typical quality metrics like A1c,

missed days from work, hospitalization rates.

LG, Wasson JH. The

Ideal Medical Practice Model: Maximizing Efficiency, Quality, and the

Doctor-Patient Relationship. Family Practice Management September 2007 pp. 20-24

This article compares IMP to

non-IMP in terms of ability to deliver patient-centered collaborative care.

G

IMP needs a study or demonstration project that can measure the economic

and quality impact of small, networked ideal practices and gain

credibility and visibility among the reform planners. Otherwise, ideal

practices, like other small practices, may be marginalized and pushed

aside by the reforms designed to create either less than ideal medical

homes (PCMH) or large integrated systems via accountable care organizations.

Gordon and the other well connected folks here may have ideas on how to

do this.

The irony is that the Dartmouth Atlas group seems highly regarded by the

reformers and yet IMP also has significant ties to Dartmouth via Dr

Wasson and the Clinical Microsystems group (if I understand IMP history

correctly).

R. Pierce MD

Rockport, Maine

www.midcoastmedicine.com

Dr. Brady wrote:

Dude is amazingly accomplished and has a cool website at

www.gawande.com <http://www.gawande.com>. We can

e-mail him through

his website, but I don’t know if it would be nice for us all to

barrage him. What do others think?

*From:*

[mailto: ] *On

Behalf Of * Eads

*Sent:* Saturday, June 13, 2009 12:45 PM

*To:*

*Subject:* RE: Positive deviants

We gotta tell Dr. Gawande about IMPs! Anyone know how to contact him?

Via the New Yorker??

Eads, MD

Pinnacle Family Medicine

Colorado Springs, Colorado

www.PinnacleFamilyMedicine.com

*From:*

[mailto: ] *On

Behalf Of * Seto

*Sent:* Saturday, June 13, 2009 12:47 AM

*To:*

*Subject:* Positive deviants

My wife told me about this article by Dr. Atul Gawande, a surgeon who

writes wonderful articles for New Yorker magazine. It was his

commencement address to the Pritzker School of Medicine this year. He

told a story about how a friend ran a program to reduce malnutrition

in Vietnamese villages, but they had little funding. So instead of the

usual methods, they went low-tech and travelled to different villages,

identified which families had the best nourished children and then

analyzed what they were doing differently from the other families.

They were the " positive deviants " , the outliers. They took their

ideas

and spread them to other villages, measured their results and used

those results to convince other villages to adopt their methods. As a

result, malnutrition dropped 65-85%, which was even more effective

than the usual methods suggested by outside experts.

Gawande then goes on to explain how the United States is now that village:

http://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/newsdesk/2009/06/atul-gawande-university-of-chicago-medical-school-commencement-address.html

<http://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/newsdesk/2009/06/atul-gawande-university-of-chicago-medical-school-commencement-address.html>

He points out that, like the researchers in Vietnam, we need to look

for successful outliers if we are to solve our healthcare crisis. But

while he zooms in to some degree of some unique models, he doesn't

zoom in small enough. I think the " positive deviants " he and the

rest

of the country are looking for are IMPs.

Small, low-overhead, cost-effective practices that have highly

satisfied patients and healthcare providers, with reproducible

measures of success. Definitely outside the norm. Maybe somebody

should write a letter to the editor. Maybe I will. Maybe if a bunch of

us write then, like the Whos in Whoville, we might get heard. Comments

can be sent to " themail@... " . Yopp!

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One of the solutions I find most intriguing and described in Gawande's New Yorker piece is the 'virtual accountable organization' in Colorado. YES ME TOO! I wanted to know more and how to DO That??

What if a group of PCPs in a region banded together around quality and worked to better the health outcomes of the people they served?  What if that group were able to catch the attention of local entities that then were more willing to join in solutions (e.g. hospitals really working to inform community docs about inpatients and to work on transitions, etc)?

It would be terrific if there were a concentration of IMPs in a region that could work together like this.    I wonder what could be done in a smallish state like MAine where ther e are now a bunch of us- but unfortuanltey spread out- but wth the small ness o f maine might maybe lend some ability to approach say MAinecare (medicaid) - they already have called me to say hey what is going on over there yourpractie  keeps people out of teh ER . " cept those guys always need special waivers to get special projects...  I wouldl ove to do something  here - in MAIne everyone knows everyone else but toprove outcomes would be tough I guess.. Pierce and i have talked about  talking at the MAine MEdical Assocaitionmtg in Sept - the only time all year  teh medical assocaition  has everytone meet.Jean

Gordon 

in an effort to be clear - there is a significant policy difference between the dartmouth atlas and the IMP " movement " . the dartmouth atlas represents a fact while the IMP " movement " reprsents a health care solution. 

the dartmouth atlas, excellent as it is, represents a well known observation of a fact: significant variations in medical care. this fact has been well known for almost 50 years. and very little has been done about this fact. the dartmouth atlas people propose no solution other than a theoretical model which has not been implemented anywhere (the accountable health care organization) and which has not insignificant challenges.   

the IMP " movement " represents an attempt at one aspect of a solution to the variation in practice patterns importantly documented by the dartmouth atlas people. as such the movement steps on others toes. i am optimistic that this " movement " will overtime catch significant fire. 

norbert  " L. Gordon "  

Sent by: 06/14/2009 01:23 PM

Please respond to

To

ccSubjectRe: Positive deviants

We have., L. G., & Wasson, J. H. An introduction to technology for patient-centered, collaborative care. Journal of Ambulatory Care Management, July-September 2006  29(3), 195–198.

Wasson, J. H., , D. J., , R., , J., & MacKenzie, T. A.Patients report positive impacts of collaborative care. Journal of Ambulatory Care Management, July-September 2006 29(3), 199–206.

this article describes the link between patient experience of care and typical quality metrics like A1c, missed days from work, hospitalization rates. LG, Wasson JH.  The Ideal Medical Practice Model: Maximizing Efficiency, Quality, and the Doctor-Patient Relationship.  Family Practice Management September 2007 pp. 20-24

This article compares IMP to non-IMP in terms of ability to deliver patient-centered collaborative care.G 

IMP needs a study or demonstration project that can measure the economic and quality impact of small, networked ideal practices and gain credibility and visibility among the reform planners. Otherwise, ideal 

practices, like other small practices, may be marginalized and pushed aside by the reforms designed to create either less than ideal medical homes (PCMH) or large integrated systems via accountable care organizations.

Gordon and the other well connected folks here may have ideas on how to do this.The irony is that the Dartmouth Atlas group seems highly regarded by the reformers and yet IMP also has significant ties to Dartmouth via Dr 

Wasson and the Clinical Microsystems group (if I understand IMP history correctly). R. Pierce MDRockport, Mainewww.midcoastmedicine.com

Dr. Brady wrote: Dude is amazingly accomplished and has a cool website at www.gawande.com <http://www.gawande.com>. We can e-mail him through 

his website, but I don’t know if it would be nice for us all to barrage him. What do others think?  

*From:*  [mailto: ] *On Behalf Of * Eads 

*Sent:* Saturday, June 13, 2009 12:45 PM *To:*  

*Subject:* RE: Positive deviants We gotta tell Dr. Gawande about IMPs! Anyone know how to contact him? Via the New Yorker?? 

Eads, MD Pinnacle Family Medicine Colorado Springs, Colorado www.PinnacleFamilyMedicine.com 

*From:*  [mailto: ] *On Behalf Of * Seto 

*Sent:* Saturday, June 13, 2009 12:47 AM *To:*  

*Subject:* Positive deviants My wife told me about this article by Dr. Atul Gawande, a surgeon who writes wonderful articles for New Yorker magazine. It was his 

commencement address to the Pritzker School of Medicine this year. He told a story about how a friend ran a program to reduce malnutrition in Vietnamese villages, but they had little funding. So instead of the 

usual methods, they went low-tech and travelled to different villages, identified which families had the best nourished children and then analyzed what they were doing differently from the other families. 

They were the " positive deviants " , the outliers. They took their ideas and spread them to other villages, measured their results and used 

those results to convince other villages to adopt their methods. As a result, malnutrition dropped 65-85%, which was even more effective than the usual methods suggested by outside experts. 

Gawande then goes on to explain how the United States is now that village: http://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/newsdesk/2009/06/atul-gawande-university-of-chicago-medical-school-commencement-address.html 

<http://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/newsdesk/2009/06/atul-gawande-university-of-chicago-medical-school-commencement-address.html> 

He points out that, like the researchers in Vietnam, we need to look for successful outliers if we are to solve our healthcare crisis. Butwhile he zooms in to some degree of some unique models, he doesn't 

zoom in small enough. I think the " positive deviants " he and the rest of the country are looking for are IMPs. Small, low-overhead, cost-effective practices that have highly 

satisfied patients and healthcare providers, with reproducible measures of success. Definitely outside the norm. Maybe somebody should write a letter to the editor. Maybe I will. Maybe if a bunch of 

us write then, like the Whos in Whoville, we might get heard. Comments can be sent to " themail@... " . Yopp! 

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I think the PCPs relationship to the patients over time is key to what makes IMPs successful so we should get a waiver from the X prize organizers as it would not make sense to uproot the doc from his practice, as this is what defines IMP--so in this case the test area/test subjects are already in place--we can still distinguish ourselves with the outcomes data and the cost savings but probably need to fight for the " no uprooting " piece as that is part of what makes IMP an IMP.  Maybe new docs can try the model but they still need to be connected to their patients.

Liza,

I think Gordon looked into this and the way it is set up, they (the organizers) point you to an area and then let you do your thing. In order for IMPs to be involved in this, we would have to have 10 or so docs ready to relocate to the specified area, then somehow make ends meet for the specified time (I think it is 2 years) and then we could enter our data in to win the prize. In other words, it is lots of difficult coordination and sacrifice to prove what we do.

I agree this would be a wonderful forum to “show off” our talents, but it would really only work if we were somehow allowed to each use our own data where we exist now and add it together. Unfortunately, that is not how the X-prize is set up (at least as far as I understand it).

 

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One way we can do this is by entering the X prize for medicine--I strongly believe that IMP practices fit the requirements for the X prize and the group should join:  the sponsors are looking for a paradigmatic shift in healthcare delivery, specifically a 50% improvement in measurable outcomes at a decreased cost--the key feature that IMP has is the PCP and the relationship we have with patients over time.  Gordon and the group should join. 

IMP needs a study or demonstration project that can measure the economicand quality impact of small, networked ideal practices and gaincredibility and visibility among the reform planners. Otherwise, ideal

practices, like other small practices, may be marginalized and pushedaside by the reforms designed to create either less than ideal medicalhomes (PCMH) or large integrated systems via accountable care organizations.

Gordon and the other well connected folks here may have ideas on how todo this.The irony is that the Dartmouth Atlas group seems highly regarded by thereformers and yet IMP also has significant ties to Dartmouth via Dr

Wasson and the Clinical Microsystems group (if I understand IMP historycorrectly). R. Pierce MDRockport, Mainewww.midcoastmedicine.com

Dr. Brady wrote:>>> Dude is amazingly accomplished and has a cool website at

> www.gawande.com <http://www.gawande.com>. We can e-mail him through

> his website, but I don’t know if it would be nice for us all to> barrage him. What do others think?>> >> *From:*

> [mailto: ] *On Behalf Of * Eads> *Sent:* Saturday, June 13, 2009 12:45 PM> *To:*

> *Subject:* RE: Positive deviants>>>>> We gotta tell Dr. Gawande about IMPs! Anyone know how to contact him?> Via the New Yorker??>> Eads, MD

>> Pinnacle Family Medicine>> Colorado Springs, Colorado>> www.PinnacleFamilyMedicine.com>> *From:*

> [mailto: ] *On Behalf Of * Seto> *Sent:* Saturday, June 13, 2009 12:47 AM> *To:*

> *Subject:* Positive deviants>>>>>> My wife told me about this article by Dr. Atul Gawande, a surgeon who> writes wonderful articles for New Yorker magazine. It was his

> commencement address to the Pritzker School of Medicine this year. He> told a story about how a friend ran a program to reduce malnutrition> in Vietnamese villages, but they had little funding. So instead of the

> usual methods, they went low-tech and travelled to different villages,> identified which families had the best nourished children and then> analyzed what they were doing differently from the other families.

> They were the " positive deviants " , the outliers. They took their ideas> and spread them to other villages, measured their results and used> those results to convince other villages to adopt their methods. As a

> result, malnutrition dropped 65-85%, which was even more effective> than the usual methods suggested by outside experts.>> Gawande then goes on to explain how the United States is now that village:

>> http://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/newsdesk/2009/06/atul-gawande-university-of-chicago-medical-school-commencement-address.html

> <http://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/newsdesk/2009/06/atul-gawande-university-of-chicago-medical-school-commencement-address.html>

>> He points out that, like the researchers in Vietnam, we need to look> for successful outliers if we are to solve our healthcare crisis. But> while he zooms in to some degree of some unique models, he doesn't

> zoom in small enough. I think the " positive deviants " he and the rest> of the country are looking for are IMPs.>> Small, low-overhead, cost-effective practices that have highly> satisfied patients and healthcare providers, with reproducible

> measures of success. Definitely outside the norm. Maybe somebody> should write a letter to the editor. Maybe I will. Maybe if a bunch of> us write then, like the Whos in Whoville, we might get heard. Comments

> can be sent to " themail@... " . Yopp!>> Seto>> South Pasadena, CA>>

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I am working on the same sort of banding here in Grand County, Colo. We only

have 12 providers spread over 1200 sq miles and 13,000 people. Several docs work

for a large Denver hospital, so we trying to use them for some capital. You

should contact Dave West in Grand Junction, if you want to know more. I have

known him for 30 years and he can give you the scoop.

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[jnantonucci@...]

Sent: Sunday, June 14, 2009 12:53 PM

To:

Subject: Re: Positive deviants

On Sun, Jun 14, 2009 at 2:16 PM, L. Gordon

> wrote:

One of the solutions I find most intriguing and described in Gawande's New

Yorker piece is the 'virtual accountable organization' in Colorado. YES ME TOO!

I wanted to know more and how to DO That??

What if a group of PCPs in a region banded together around quality and worked to

better the health outcomes of the people they served? What if that group were

able to catch the attention of local entities that then were more willing to

join in solutions (e.g. hospitals really working to inform community docs about

inpatients and to work on transitions, etc)?

It would be terrific if there were a concentration of IMPs in a region that

could work together like this. I wonder what could be done in a smallish

state like MAine where ther e are now a bunch of us- but unfortuanltey spread

out- but wth the small ness o f maine might maybe lend some ability to approach

say MAinecare (medicaid) - they already have called me to say hey what is going

on over there yourpractie keeps people out of teh ER . " cept those guys always

need special waivers to get special projects... I wouldl ove to do something

here - in MAIne everyone knows everyone else but toprove outcomes would be tough

I guess.. Pierce and i have talked about talking at the MAine MEdical

Assocaitionmtg in Sept - the only time all year teh medical assocaition has

everytone meet.Jean

Gordon

On Jun 14, 2009, at 11:04 AM, nigoldfield@...

wrote:

in an effort to be clear - there is a significant policy difference between the

dartmouth atlas and the IMP " movement " . the dartmouth atlas represents a fact

while the IMP " movement " reprsents a health care solution.

the dartmouth atlas, excellent as it is, represents a well known observation of

a fact: significant variations in medical care. this fact has been well known

for almost 50 years. and very little has been done about this fact. the

dartmouth atlas people propose no solution other than a theoretical model which

has not been implemented anywhere (the accountable health care organization) and

which has not insignificant challenges.

the IMP " movement " represents an attempt at one aspect of a solution to the

variation in practice patterns importantly documented by the dartmouth atlas

people. as such the movement steps on others toes. i am optimistic that this

" movement " will overtime catch significant fire.

norbert

" L. Gordon "

>

Sent by:

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>

06/14/2009 01:23 PM

Please respond to

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>

cc

Subject

Re: Positive deviants

We have.

, L. G., & Wasson, J. H. An introduction to technology for

patient-centered, collaborative care. Journal of Ambulatory Care Management,

July-September 2006 29(3), 195–198.

Wasson, J. H., , D. J., , R., , J., & MacKenzie, T.

A.Patients report positive impacts of collaborative care. Journal of Ambulatory

Care Management, July-September 2006 29(3), 199–206.

this article describes the link between patient experience of care and typical

quality metrics like A1c, missed days from work, hospitalization rates.

LG, Wasson JH. The Ideal Medical Practice Model: Maximizing Efficiency,

Quality, and the Doctor-Patient Relationship. Family Practice Management

September 2007 pp. 20-24

This article compares IMP to non-IMP in terms of ability to deliver

patient-centered collaborative care.

G

IMP needs a study or demonstration project that can measure the economic

and quality impact of small, networked ideal practices and gain

credibility and visibility among the reform planners. Otherwise, ideal

practices, like other small practices, may be marginalized and pushed

aside by the reforms designed to create either less than ideal medical

homes (PCMH) or large integrated systems via accountable care organizations.

Gordon and the other well connected folks here may have ideas on how to

do this.

The irony is that the Dartmouth Atlas group seems highly regarded by the

reformers and yet IMP also has significant ties to Dartmouth via Dr

Wasson and the Clinical Microsystems group (if I understand IMP history

correctly).

R. Pierce MD

Rockport, Maine

www.midcoastmedicine.com<http://www.midcoastmedicine.com/>

Dr. Brady wrote:

Dude is amazingly accomplished and has a cool website at

www.gawande.com<http://www.gawande.com> <http://www.gawande.com>. We can e-mail

him through <http://www.gawande.com/>

his website, but I don’t know if it would be nice for us all to

barrage him. What do others think?

*From:*

<mailto: \

>

[mailto: <mailto:rovement1 >]

*On Behalf Of * Eads

*Sent:* Saturday, June 13, 2009 12:45 PM

*To:*

<mailto: \

>

*Subject:* RE: Positive deviants

We gotta tell Dr. Gawande about IMPs! Anyone know how to contact him?

Via the New Yorker??

Eads, MD

Pinnacle Family Medicine

Colorado Springs, Colorado

www.PinnacleFamilyMedicine.com<http://www.PinnacleFamilyMedicine.com>

*From:*

<mailto: \

>

[mailto: <mailto:rovement1 >]

*On Behalf Of * Seto

*Sent:* Saturday, June 13, 2009 12:47 AM

*To:*

<mailto: \

>

*Subject:* Positive deviants

My wife told me about this article by Dr. Atul Gawande, a surgeon who

writes wonderful articles for New Yorker magazine. It was his

commencement address to the Pritzker School of Medicine this year. He

told a story about how a friend ran a program to reduce malnutrition

in Vietnamese villages, but they had little funding. So instead of the

usual methods, they went low-tech and travelled to different villages,

identified which families had the best nourished children and then

analyzed what they were doing differently from the other families.

They were the " positive deviants " , the outliers. They took their ideas

and spread them to other villages, measured their results and used

those results to convince other villages to adopt their methods. As a

result, malnutrition dropped 65-85%, which was even more effective

than the usual methods suggested by outside experts.

Gawande then goes on to explain how the United States is now that village:

http://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/newsdesk/2009/06/atul-gawande-university-o\

f-chicago-medical-school-commencement-address.html

<http://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/newsdesk/2009/06/atul-gawande-university-\

of-chicago-medical-school-commencement-address.html>

<http://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/newsdesk/2009/06/atul-gawande-university-\

of-chicago-medical-school-commencement-address.html><http://www.newyorker.com/on\

line/blogs/newsdesk/2009/06/atul-gawande-university-of-chicago-medical-school-co\

mmencement-address.html>

He points out that, like the researchers in Vietnam, we need to look

for successful outliers if we are to solve our healthcare crisis. But

while he zooms in to some degree of some unique models, he doesn't

zoom in small enough. I think the " positive deviants " he and the rest

of the country are looking for are IMPs.

Small, low-overhead, cost-effective practices that have highly

satisfied patients and healthcare providers, with reproducible

measures of success. Definitely outside the norm. Maybe somebody

should write a letter to the editor. Maybe I will. Maybe if a bunch of

us write then, like the Whos in Whoville, we might get heard. Comments

can be sent to " themail@... " . Yopp!

Seto

South Pasadena, CA

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I think we could do this in the NW---Portland and Seattle, for instance.

We could get some new coverage too...

and ads. I would think advertising that to let people know that we are

trying to change medical care by doing this would be huge.

I tell pts all the time but I don't think they fully understand the

implications. We are having an open house this summer and one of the

goals is to let people know how different we are in the way we deliver

health care.

Ellen

L. Gordon wrote:

>

>

> Excellent analysis and right on target.

>

>

> One of the solutions I find most intriguing and described in Gawande's

> New Yorker piece is the 'virtual accountable organization' in Colorado.

> What if a group of PCPs in a region banded together around quality and

> worked to better the health outcomes of the people they served? What

> if that group were able to catch the attention of local entities that

> then were more willing to join in solutions (e.g. hospitals really

> working to inform community docs about inpatients and to work on

> transitions, etc)?

>

> It would be terrific if there were a concentration of IMPs in a region

> that could work together like this.

> Gordon

> On Jun 14, 2009, at 11:04 AM, nigoldfield@...

> wrote:

>

>>

>>

>>

>> in an effort to be clear - there is a significant policy difference

>> between the dartmouth atlas and the IMP " movement " . the dartmouth

>> atlas represents a fact while the IMP " movement " reprsents a health

>> care solution.

>>

>> the dartmouth atlas, excellent as it is, represents a well known

>> observation of a fact: significant variations in medical care. this

>> fact has been well known for almost 50 years. and very little has

>> been done about this fact. the dartmouth atlas people propose no

>> solution other than a theoretical model which has not been

>> implemented anywhere (the accountable health care organization) and

>> which has not insignificant challenges.

>>

>> the IMP " movement " represents an attempt at one aspect of a solution

>> to the variation in practice patterns importantly documented by the

>> dartmouth atlas people. as such the movement steps on others toes. i

>> am optimistic that this " movement " will overtime catch significant fire.

>>

>> norbert

>>

>>

>> * " L. Gordon " *

>> Sent by:

>>

>> 06/14/2009 01:23 PM

>>

>> Please respond to

>>

>>

>>

>>

>> To

>>

>> cc

>>

>> Subject

>> Re: Positive deviants

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>> We have.

>>

>> , L. G., & Wasson, J. H. An *introduction to technology for

>> patient-centered, collaborative care.* /Journal of Ambulatory Care

>> Management/, July-September 2006 /29/(3)/, /195–198.

>>

>>

>> Wasson, J. H., , D. J., , R., , J., &

>> MacKenzie, T. A.*Patients report positive impacts of collaborative

>> care*. /Journal of Ambulatory Care Management/, July-September 2006

>> /29/(3), 199–206.

>>

>> this article describes the link between patient experience of care

>> and typical quality metrics like A1c, missed days from work,

>> hospitalization rates.

>>

>>

>> LG, Wasson JH. *The Ideal Medical Practice Model: Maximizing

>> Efficiency, Quality, and the Doctor-Patient Relationship*. /Family

>> Practice Management/ September 2007 pp. 20-24

>>

>> This article compares IMP to non-IMP in terms of ability to deliver

>> patient-centered collaborative care.

>>

>> G

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>> IMP needs a study or demonstration project that can measure the economic

>> and quality impact of small, networked ideal practices and gain

>> credibility and visibility among the reform planners. Otherwise, ideal

>> practices, like other small practices, may be marginalized and pushed

>> aside by the reforms designed to create either less than ideal medical

>> homes (PCMH) or large integrated systems via accountable care

>> organizations.

>>

>> Gordon and the other well connected folks here may have ideas on how to

>> do this.

>>

>> The irony is that the Dartmouth Atlas group seems highly regarded by the

>> reformers and yet IMP also has significant ties to Dartmouth via Dr

>> Wasson and the Clinical Microsystems group (if I understand IMP history

>> correctly).

>>

>>

>>

>> R. Pierce MD

>> Rockport, Maine

>> _

>> __www.midcoastmedicine.com_ <http://www.midcoastmedicine.com/>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>> Dr. Brady wrote:

>>

>>

>> Dude is amazingly accomplished and has a cool website at

>> www.gawande.com <http://www.gawande.com>. We can e-mail him through

>> <http://www.gawande.com/>

>> his website, but I don’t know if it would be nice for us all to

>> barrage him. What do others think?

>>

>>

>>

>> *From:*

>> [mailto: ] *On Behalf Of *

>> Eads

>> *Sent:* Saturday, June 13, 2009 12:45 PM

>> *To:*

>> *Subject:* RE: Positive deviants

>>

>>

>>

>>

>> We gotta tell Dr. Gawande about IMPs! Anyone know how to contact him?

>> Via the New Yorker??

>>

>> Eads, MD

>>

>> Pinnacle Family Medicine

>>

>> Colorado Springs, Colorado

>>

>> www.PinnacleFamilyMedicine.com

>>

>> *From:*

>> [mailto: ] *On Behalf Of * Seto

>> *Sent:* Saturday, June 13, 2009 12:47 AM

>> *To:*

>> *Subject:* Positive deviants

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>> My wife told me about this article by Dr. Atul Gawande, a surgeon who

>> writes wonderful articles for New Yorker magazine. It was his

>> commencement address to the Pritzker School of Medicine this year. He

>> told a story about how a friend ran a program to reduce malnutrition

>> in Vietnamese villages, but they had little funding. So instead of the

>> usual methods, they went low-tech and travelled to different villages,

>> identified which families had the best nourished children and then

>> analyzed what they were doing differently from the other families.

>> They were the " positive deviants " , the outliers. They took their ideas

>> and spread them to other villages, measured their results and used

>> those results to convince other villages to adopt their methods. As a

>> result, malnutrition dropped 65-85%, which was even more effective

>> than the usual methods suggested by outside experts.

>>

>> Gawande then goes on to explain how the United States is now that

>> village:

>>

>>

http://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/newsdesk/2009/06/atul-gawande-university-o\

f-chicago-medical-school-commencement-address.html

>>

<http://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/newsdesk/2009/06/atul-gawande-university-\

of-chicago-medical-school-commencement-address.html>

>>

<http://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/newsdesk/2009/06/atul-gawande-university-\

of-chicago-medical-school-commencement-address.html>

>>

<http://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/newsdesk/2009/06/atul-gawande-university-\

of-chicago-medical-school-commencement-address.html>

>>

>>

>> He points out that, like the researchers in Vietnam, we need to look

>> for successful outliers if we are to solve our healthcare crisis. But

>> while he zooms in to some degree of some unique models, he doesn't

>> zoom in small enough. I think the " positive deviants " he and the rest

>> of the country are looking for are IMPs.

>>

>> Small, low-overhead, cost-effective practices that have highly

>> satisfied patients and healthcare providers, with reproducible

>> measures of success. Definitely outside the norm. Maybe somebody

>> should write a letter to the editor. Maybe I will. Maybe if a bunch of

>> us write then, like the Whos in Whoville, we might get heard. Comments

>> can be sent to " themail@... " . Yopp!

>>

>> Seto

>>

>> South Pasadena, CA

>>

>>

>>

>>

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What we really need is a IMP owned hospital?

Just heard presentation that on average hospital collects 12 times what they pay primary care, think 2 million dollars annual.

Compared to 6 times what they pay specialist.

I am sure if I had access to that type of capiatal I could improve healthcare and decrease cost.

>>> Dude is amazingly accomplished and has a cool website at

> www.gawande. com <http://www.gawande. com>. We can e-mail him through

> his website, but I don’t know if it would be nice for us all to> barrage him. What do others think?>> >> *From:* Practiceimprovement 1yahoogroups (DOT) com> [mailto:Practiceimprovement 1yahoogroups (DOT) com] *On Behalf Of * Eads> *Sent:* Saturday, June 13, 2009 12:45 PM> *To:* Practiceimprovement 1yahoogroups (DOT) com> *Subject:* RE: [Practiceimprovemen t1] Positive deviants>>>>> We gotta tell Dr. Gawande about IMPs! Anyone know how to contact him?> Via the New Yorker??>> Eads, MD>> Pinnacle Family Medicine>> Colorado Springs, Colorado>> www.PinnacleFamilyM edicine.com>> *From:* Practiceimprovement 1yahoogroups (DOT) com> [mailto:Practiceimprovement 1yahoogroups (DOT) com] *On Behalf Of * Seto> *Sent:* Saturday, June 13, 2009 12:47 AM> *To:* Practiceimprovement 1yahoogroups (DOT)

com> *Subject:* [Practiceimprovemen t1] Positive deviants>>>>>> My wife told me about this article by Dr. Atul Gawande, a surgeon who> writes wonderful articles for New Yorker magazine. It was his> commencement address to the Pritzker School of Medicine this year. He> told a story about how a friend ran a program to reduce malnutrition> in Vietnamese villages, but they had little funding. So instead of the> usual methods, they went low-tech and travelled to different villages,> identified which families had the best nourished children and then> analyzed what they were doing differently from the other families.> They were the "positive deviants", the outliers. They took their ideas> and spread them to other villages, measured their results and used> those results to convince other villages to adopt their methods. As a> result,

malnutrition dropped 65-85%, which was even more effective> than the usual methods suggested by outside experts.>> Gawande then goes on to explain how the United States is now that village:>> http://www.newyorke r.com/online/ blogs/newsdesk/ 2009/06/atul- gawande-universi ty-of-chicago- medical-school- commencement- address.html> <http://www.newyorke r.com/online/ blogs/newsdesk/ 2009/06/atul-

gawande-universi ty-of-chicago- medical-school- commencement- address.html>>> He points out that, like the researchers in Vietnam, we need to look> for successful outliers if we are to solve our healthcare crisis. But> while he zooms in to some degree of some unique models, he doesn't> zoom in small enough. I think the "positive deviants" he and the rest> of the country are looking for are IMPs.>> Small, low-overhead, cost-effective practices that have highly> satisfied patients and healthcare providers, with reproducible> measures of success. Definitely outside the norm. Maybe somebody> should write a letter to the editor. Maybe I will. Maybe if a bunch of> us write then, like the Whos in Whoville, we might get heard. Comments> can be sent to "themailnewyorker (DOT) com". Yopp!>> Seto>> South Pasadena, CA>>

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If you look at there media presentation, they have a technological backbone to reach peole over a wide area. SO, if they want to see quality we would put every IMP on their platform then aggregate the results.

This would show the ability to deploy a network o like minded physicians anywhere in the US and save money.

Just ask them for the platform. I am sure we could develop the process and IMPlement it.

>>> Dude is amazingly accomplished and has a cool website at

> www.gawande. com <http://www.gawande. com>. We can e-mail him through

> his website, but I don’t know if it would be nice for us all to> barrage him. What do others think?>> >> *From:* Practiceimprovement 1yahoogroups (DOT) com> [mailto:Practiceimprovement 1yahoogroups (DOT) com] *On Behalf Of * Eads> *Sent:* Saturday, June 13, 2009 12:45 PM> *To:* Practiceimprovement 1yahoogroups (DOT) com> *Subject:* RE:

[Practiceimprovemen t1] Positive deviants>>>>> We gotta tell Dr. Gawande about IMPs! Anyone know how to contact him?> Via the New Yorker??>> Eads, MD>> Pinnacle Family Medicine>> Colorado Springs, Colorado>> www.PinnacleFamilyM edicine.com>> *From:* Practiceimprovement 1yahoogroups (DOT) com> [mailto:Practiceimprovement 1yahoogroups (DOT) com] *On Behalf Of * Seto> *Sent:* Saturday, June 13, 2009

12:47 AM> *To:* Practiceimprovement 1yahoogroups (DOT) com> *Subject:* [Practiceimprovemen t1] Positive deviants>>>>>> My wife told me about this article by Dr. Atul Gawande, a surgeon who> writes wonderful articles for New Yorker magazine. It was his> commencement address to the Pritzker School of Medicine this year. He> told a story about how a friend ran a program to reduce malnutrition> in Vietnamese villages, but they had little funding. So instead of the> usual methods, they went low-tech and travelled to different villages,> identified which families had the best nourished children and then> analyzed what they were doing differently from the other families.> They

were the "positive deviants", the outliers. They took their ideas> and spread them to other villages, measured their results and used> those results to convince other villages to adopt their methods. As a> result, malnutrition dropped 65-85%, which was even more effective> than the usual methods suggested by outside experts.>> Gawande then goes on to explain how the United States is now that village:>> http://www.newyorke r.com/online/ blogs/newsdesk/ 2009/06/atul- gawande-universi ty-of-chicago- medical-school- commencement- address.html> <http://www.newyorke r.com/online/ blogs/newsdesk/ 2009/06/atul- gawande-universi ty-of-chicago- medical-school- commencement- address.html>>> He points out that, like the researchers in Vietnam, we need to look> for successful outliers if we are to solve our healthcare crisis. But> while he zooms in to some degree of some unique models, he doesn't> zoom in small enough. I think the "positive deviants" he and the rest> of the country are looking for are IMPs.>> Small, low-overhead, cost-effective practices that have highly> satisfied patients and healthcare providers, with reproducible> measures of success. Definitely outside the norm. Maybe somebody> should write a letter to the editor. Maybe I will. Maybe if a bunch of> us write then, like the Whos in Whoville, we might get heard. Comments> can be sent to "themailnewyorker (DOT) com". Yopp!>> Seto>> South Pasadena, CA>>

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My brother Mike is the Colorado physician Atul Gawande interviewed

about the Grand Junction health care system. He is going to send me Dr.

Gawande’s direct email address. He sounds like someone who would be

very interested in the innovative ideas we have been working on. If he

responds I’ll refer him to Gordon who could probably do a much better job

communicating our ideas than I ever could.

M. Pramenko, MD

2310 Nott Street East

Niskayuna, NY 12309

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He's your brohter? oooh.So  . Some of us would like  to talk to your brother. Can either of you come to Seattle OR  Boston- Oct 13 or there abouts?(AAFP confernce is the 14-17)  I would like t o learn  lessons form Grand Junction Co.

My brother Mike is the Colorado physician Atul Gawande interviewed

about the Grand Junction health care system.  He is going to send me Dr.

Gawande’s direct email address.  He sounds like someone who would be

very interested in the innovative ideas we have been working on.  If he

responds I’ll refer him to Gordon who could probably do a much better job

communicating our ideas than I ever could.

 

M. Pramenko, MD

2310 Nott Street East

Niskayuna, NY  12309

 

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Cool.GMy brother Mike is the Colorado physician Atul Gawande interviewed about the Grand Junction health care system. He is going to send me Dr. Gawande’s direct email address. He sounds like someone who would be very interested in the innovative ideas we have been working on. If he responds I’ll refer him to Gordon who could probably do a much better job communicating our ideas than I ever could. M. Pramenko, MD2310 Nott Street EastNiskayuna, NY 12309

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