Guest guest Posted June 16, 2005 Report Share Posted June 16, 2005 If not, next year's conference needs to gear itself toward adding that to its agenda. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 16, 2005 Report Share Posted June 16, 2005 Two of my friends were at the conference with breast cancer. One left early because she said it was mainly for MS. I agree, next year their should be some docs speaking about cancer also. Her oncologist does give her the script, maybe he would be interested in speaking? Kiki Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 16, 2005 Report Share Posted June 16, 2005 this cancer: Multiple Myeloma ? Then it was talked about. [low dose naltrexone] Anyone talk on LDN for Cancer at LDN conference? If not, next year's conference needs to gear itself toward adding that to its agenda. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 17, 2005 Report Share Posted June 17, 2005 > Two of my friends were at the conference with breast cancer. One left early > because she said it was mainly for MS. I agree, next year their should be > some docs speaking about cancer also. Her oncologist does give her the script, > maybe he would be interested in speaking? Kiki ======== Breast cancer and other cancers really need to be heavily addressed at the LDN conference next year. Susie Sedlock & Gluck, you out there reading? Cancer LDN prescribing docs needed for next year's conference. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 17, 2005 Report Share Posted June 17, 2005 The speaker was Sedlock. If you were at the conference yellow manuals were given out by . The last 3 pages of the book tells her story about her dad 's Multiple Myeloma at 87 yrs old and he just celebrated his 90th!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 17, 2005 Report Share Posted June 17, 2005 I was at the conference and recall a speaker describing how her father, I think it was, in his 80's recovering from multiple myeloma, apparently due to taking LDN. Any other attendees out there who remember that better than I? I agree (as a PD patient wondering if LDN is working for me after 2- 1/2 months)... let's have more people speaking about LDN and cancer, Parkinsons, psoriasis, and other diseases, in addition to MS... both at the next conference and in this discussion group. Ken > > Two of my friends were at the conference with breast cancer. One left early > > because she said it was mainly for MS. I agree, next year their should be > > some docs speaking about cancer also. Her oncologist does give her the script, > > maybe he would be interested in speaking? Kiki > ======== > > Breast cancer and other cancers really need to be heavily addressed at the LDN conference next year. Susie Sedlock & Gluck, you out there reading? Cancer LDN prescribing docs needed for next year's conference. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 17, 2005 Report Share Posted June 17, 2005 I agree Ken, I'm hopeing to start LDN next week or at the very least get the script in to Skip by then. I also have PD, MSA actually, and am wondering just about the same as you do, Is this stuff reallly going to help me retain a more normal style of life or am I just going down another long endless road, like most of the brain doctors that I gone to over the past 7 / 8 years. But again it just "MIGHT WORK" and if it does and I passed up the chance to live some sort of a normal syle of life, I'd kick myself in the ass until the end of time. I would rather be dead then just sit by and let life go on with out trying something, hell anything. So I think what we are asking is "IS THERE ANY PD VICTIMNS OUT THRE ON LDN" Please reply (:>) RK [Norton AntiSpam] [low dose naltrexone] Re: Anyone talk on LDN for Cancer at LDN conference? I was at the conference and recall a speaker describing how her father, I think it was, in his 80's recovering from multiple myeloma, apparently due to taking LDN. Any other attendees out there who remember that better than I?I agree (as a PD patient wondering if LDN is working for me after 2-1/2 months)... let's have more people speaking about LDN and cancer, Parkinsons, psoriasis, and other diseases, in addition to MS... both at the next conference and in this discussion group.Ken> > Two of my friends were at the conference with breast cancer. One left early > > because she said it was mainly for MS. I agree, next year their should be > > some docs speaking about cancer also. Her oncologist does give her the script, > > maybe he would be interested in speaking? Kiki> ========> > Breast cancer and other cancers really need to be heavily addressed at the LDN conference next year. Susie Sedlock & Gluck, you out there reading? Cancer LDN prescribing docs needed for next year's conference.> > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 18, 2005 Report Share Posted June 18, 2005 How could LDN cause that? The causes are unknown. Multiple myeloma http://www.mayoclinic.com/invoke.cfm?id=DS00415By Mayo Clinic staff Overview Article sections: Overview Signs and symptoms Causes Risk factors When to seek medical advice Screening and diagnosis Complications Treatment Self-care Coping skills Multiple myeloma is a cancer of your plasma cells, a type of white blood cell present in your bone marrow — the soft, blood-producing tissue that fills in the center of most of your bones. The cause of this disease isn't known. Plasma cells usually make up less than 5 percent of the cells in your bone marrow. But if you have multiple myeloma, a group of abnormal plasma cells (myeloma cells) multiplies to make up more than 10 percent of the cells in your bone marrow. The result can be erosion of your bones. The disease also interferes with the function of your bone marrow and immune system, which can lead to anemia and infection. More infections tend to occur later in the disease. Multiple myeloma may also cause problems with your kidneys. The disease is called multiple myeloma because abnormal myeloma cells can occur in multiple bone marrow sites in your body. About 47,000 Americans have been diagnosed with multiple myeloma, and nearly 15,000 people are diagnosed with the disease each year. Multiple myeloma is responsible for more than 10,000 deaths in the United States annually. If you have the disease but you're not experiencing symptoms, you may just need your doctor to monitor your condition. A variety of treatments are available if you're experiencing symptoms. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 18, 2005 Report Share Posted June 18, 2005 > The speaker was Sedlock. If you were at the conference yellow manuals > were given out by . The last 3 pages of the book tells her story about > her dad 's Multiple Myeloma at 87 yrs old and he just celebrated his 90th!! ======= I speak to Susie Sedlock about herself and her dad. It was Susie's dad's story that make me want my mom on LDN for her breast cancer. I was just hoping that cancer and LDN would have been a top topic at the conference. hopefully it can be next year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 18, 2005 Report Share Posted June 18, 2005 Hi All It is important to me that I step in here. In my mind there is great reason why cancer and LDN took the back seat at the 1st LDN Conference .. you see no matter how much we want to believe it .. the stats are not there .. they are not as good as the stats with MS and LDN .. MS must be the starting point in the developed world .. but AIDS/HIV must take priority over that ... MS was a starting point .. but I want to affirm that Dr Gluck and and their family did it exactly right .. Here is a quote from the LDN website .. " Although prospective, controlled clinical trials on LDN in the treatment of cancer are yet to be accomplished, as of March 2004 clinical " off-label " use of this medication by Dr. Bihari in some 450 patients with cancer — almost all of whom had failed to respond to standard treatments — suggests that more than 60% of patients with cancer may significantly benefit from LDN. " Now look at this .. My Mom with breast cancer tried LDN .. 4.5 mg LDN .. the exact same script that worked for my uncle with Parkinsons and my husband with PPMS .. for nearly three years .. BUT IT DID NOT WORK FOR HER!! .. I love my Mom .. so lets take this a step further .. Mom started 4.5mg LDN after a single mastectomy, chemo and radiation and .. the cancer had hit the lymph nodes pre LDN .. .. so started LDN .. and she falls in the 40% that would not respond .. Now .. My Mom has bone cancer .. her cancer spread despite LDN .. but yet there are Lazarus Stories that may tempt people (and rightly so .. play the odds wisely) ... All I am saying is read the website very carefully .. they are honest in their testimonies and for now that is all we have ... BUT .. We are missing something so blatant .. it is killing me .. it is right in front of us and we cannot see it .. My husband with PPMS and my uncle with Parkinsons are still thriving .. and I will be eternally grateful for that .. and I will always seek the truth .. no matter how painful .. All the Best ... First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you and then you win. > > The speaker was Sedlock. If you were at the conference yellow manuals > > were given out by . The last 3 pages of the book tells her story about > > her dad 's Multiple Myeloma at 87 yrs old and he just celebrated his 90th!! > ======= > > I speak to Susie Sedlock about herself and her dad. It was Susie's dad's story that make me want my mom on LDN for her breast cancer. I was just hoping that cancer and LDN would have been a top topic at the conference. hopefully it can be next year. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 18, 2005 Report Share Posted June 18, 2005 For those who care to listen to me..it is irresponsible to push LDN for cancer..when there is ZERO data to back it up. The possibility of harm is so great..yet some prey on the fears of the cancer patient...while the sheep go over the cliff. If you need to know about fillers.. this board has the best advice north of the border..but otherwise all I hear is the blah..blah .. A Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 18, 2005 Report Share Posted June 18, 2005 That is an incorrect statement. I have personally communicated with Dr Zagon who has a large number of cancer victims documented that he has personally worked with. I have also discussed this fully with Dr Bahari’s office who also have properly documented cases that are not antidotal stories. I personally believe it can be a valuable PART of a cancer regimen and would not hesitate to recommend anyone adding it to their program as long as they do not use opiate based drugs for pain control. Bruce Guilmette, Ph.D. Survive Cancer Foundation, Inc. http://www.survivecancer.net From: low dose naltrexone [mailto:low dose naltrexone ] On Behalf Of aegis_on_ms Sent: Friday, June 17, 2005 11:40 PM low dose naltrexone Subject: [low dose naltrexone] Re: Anyone talk on LDN for Cancer at LDN conference? For those who care to listen to me..it is irresponsible to push LDN for cancer..when there is ZERO data to back it up. The possibility of harm is so great..yet some prey on the fears of the cancer patient...while the sheep go over the cliff. If you need to know about fillers.. this board has the best advice north of the border..but otherwise all I hear is the blah..blah .. A Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 18, 2005 Report Share Posted June 18, 2005 I agree with 's assessment on the conference focus. It seems important to highlight the most researched / documented aspects of LDN at this stage. Perhaps at the next conference, though, there could be breakout groups for the different disorders (i.e. cancer, MS, PD, other auto-immune, HIV) at some point in the conference so that those who are dealing with different disorders could get a chance to meet each other, compare notes, etc. Even though I went to the conference with Parkinson's & Type I diabetes at the top of my list of concerns and didn't hear hardly a word about them, I still found the conference valuable and inspiring--to see more documentation of it's efficacy in MS, to hear of research going forward, to hear stories from the heart on it's life-giving benefits to 3 MSers and one person with multiple myeloma. In my mind, the more positive things I hear about LDN, even if for other disorders, makes my more confident it it's likely efficacy for the disorders that are at the top of my list. Kathie On Sat, 18 Jun 2005 02:30:43 -0000 " mboylebradley " <mboylebradley@...> writes: > > > Hi All > > It is important to me that I step in here. In my mind there is great > > reason why cancer and LDN took the back seat at the 1st LDN > Conference .. you see no matter how much we want to believe it .. > the > stats are not there .. they are not as good as the stats with MS and > > LDN .. MS must be the starting point in the developed world .. but > AIDS/HIV must take priority over that ... MS was a starting point .. > > but I want to affirm that Dr Gluck and and their family did it > > exactly right .. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 18, 2005 Report Share Posted June 18, 2005 If it is a PART of the treatment regimen..who cares..people take vitamins, and many other supplements. There is no way to know if LDN is doing something. I can also see a role for LDN, when the cancer is widely metastatic or the patient is unable to afford HIV treatment. The danger is when folks give up conventional cancer/HIV treatments in lieu of LDN. On this board many are unaware of the finer details of cancers..yet they speak with great expertise..and the truth and the biological behaviour of tumors gets distorted. I have not read the story of the 80 year old with multiple myeloma (MM)..so I cant fully comment. Yet based on the behaviour of MM, the patient had a MM..which developed from the slow growing type (MGUS)..it is then very understandable that the patient lived to 80 and beyond. LDN had nothing to do with it. My biggest question has been, why is Dr.B. not able to convincingly document ONE single case in the medical literature. Perhaps, the medical establishment requires a higher degree of proof than that required on this board. A Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 18, 2005 Report Share Posted June 18, 2005 Hi Did you have read in Intenet any negative report about LDN in connection with CLL or Cancers patients. Dr. Bihari in " LDN AND CANCERS " explain in details the results of the Trial for large number of Cancers patients. I didn`t see anything wrong. If you did explain us. On the other hand you know the complications of an CLL (Leukemia) Chemotherapy and the results?? What is better? Somebody to take LDN to bring his blood in normal value for long time or to decide a chemotherapy with certain complications and uncertain future. >From: " aegis_on_ms " <aegis_on_ms@...> >Reply-low dose naltrexone >low dose naltrexone@... Subject: [low dose naltrexone] Re: >Anyone talk on LDN for Cancer at LDN conference? >Date: Sat, 18 Jun 2005 14:04:06 -0000 > > >If it is a PART of the treatment regimen..who cares..people take >vitamins, and many other supplements. There is no way to know if LDN >is doing something. I can also see a role for LDN, when the cancer >is widely metastatic or the patient is unable to afford HIV >treatment. > >The danger is when folks give up conventional cancer/HIV treatments >in lieu of LDN. > >On this board many are unaware of the finer details of cancers..yet >they speak with great expertise..and the truth and the biological >behaviour of tumors gets distorted. > >I have not read the story of the 80 year old with multiple myeloma >(MM)..so I cant fully comment. Yet based on the behaviour of MM, the >patient had a MM..which developed from the slow growing type >(MGUS)..it is then very understandable that the patient lived to 80 >and beyond. LDN had nothing to do with it. > >My biggest question has been, why is Dr.B. not able to convincingly >document ONE single case in the medical literature. Perhaps, the >medical establishment requires a higher degree of proof than that >required on this board. > >A > > > > _________________________________________________________________ Don't just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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