Re: Warm up studies/references

[Guest guest]

<<<Can anyone direct me to some (online or otherwise) research on

warmups, either for weight training/weightlifting or sprints/field

events. You could say I believe in a minimalist approach to warmups

(about 10 minutes) relative to everyone else I see who seems to take

at least half an hour (apart from those who do no warm up at all),

but would like some more detailed information on the reasons behind

warm ups and how to go about it exactly.>>>

***Do have a look through the Supertraining archives. Furthermore,

if you have a look on the World Class (UK) Water-sking website and /

or hockey you will find some additional information.

Do provide us with a summary of your findings please.

Good luck

Carruthers

Wakefield, UK

[Guest guest]

One of the best books on the subject is Pavel Tsatsouline's " Super

Joints. " The forerunner to this (and " Relax Into Stretch " ) is

entitled " Beyond Stretching, " and is still available. I began doing

the joint mobility drills that Pavel recommends before my resistance

training workouts and found them to be superior to stretching. I

intersperse them with warm up sets of whatever exercise I plan to do

first (which is usually the one that requires the most effort).

What is interesting about Pavel's stretching recommendations is that

they're not the usual static stretches you normally see although

they are similar. All of these books are available through

http://www.dragondoor.com and are well worth having. Super Joints

and Relax Into Stretch are better illustrated and have more

information than Beyond Stretching.

I realize my experience is anectodal, although I have been warming

up this way for at least 5 years (which is not a short time period)

and have found it superior to other methods. Of course that doesn't

mean this method would be the best for someone else.

These books are not laboratory studies, although I put little faith

in much of them when it comes to exercise since they usually use

untrained individuals and for too short of a time to really see much

in the way of results. A study that runs for 12 weeks will tell you

very little since it takes years to develop either a physique or

sports skills. The average adult who is introduced to the gym who

has never been in one will just be getting their feet wet at 12

weeks.

Rosemary Vernon, Editor

Dolfzine On-Line Fitness, Inc.®

A Not-For-Profit Foundation

www.dolfzine.com

Marina del Rey, CA

IronRoses@...

http://www.chuckietechie.com

[Guest guest]

One of the best books on the subject is Pavel Tsatsouline's " Super

Joints. " The forerunner to this (and " Relax Into Stretch " ) is

entitled " Beyond Stretching, " and is still available. I began doing

the joint mobility drills that Pavel recommends before my resistance

training workouts and found them to be superior to stretching. I

intersperse them with warm up sets of whatever exercise I plan to do

first (which is usually the one that requires the most effort).

What is interesting about Pavel's stretching recommendations is that

they're not the usual static stretches you normally see although

they are similar. All of these books are available through

http://www.dragondoor.com and are well worth having. Super Joints

and Relax Into Stretch are better illustrated and have more

information than Beyond Stretching.

I realize my experience is anectodal, although I have been warming

up this way for at least 5 years (which is not a short time period)

and have found it superior to other methods. Of course that doesn't

mean this method would be the best for someone else.

These books are not laboratory studies, although I put little faith

in much of them when it comes to exercise since they usually use

untrained individuals and for too short of a time to really see much

in the way of results. A study that runs for 12 weeks will tell you

very little since it takes years to develop either a physique or

sports skills. The average adult who is introduced to the gym who

has never been in one will just be getting their feet wet at 12

weeks.

Rosemary Vernon, Editor

Dolfzine On-Line Fitness, Inc.®

A Not-For-Profit Foundation

www.dolfzine.com

Marina del Rey, CA

IronRoses@...

http://www.chuckietechie.com

[Guest guest]

Rosemary,

Pavel's joint mobility drills are excellent not only for pre-workout

warm-ups but sports warm-up also. I also noticed that these

exercises greatly improve quality of life for seniors and any one

else who uses these exercises. I have clients improve sports

performance, reduce pain and some even being able to turn their head

enough to check the blind spot while driving- which should make us

all feel better. Joint mobility training has also been very valuable

in the rehabilitation after the surgery to repair my fractured

clavicle. These drills should be learned at youth and then continued

lifelong. I encourage everyone on this list to learn and benefit

from these exercises.

Tom Rankin CSCS

Rocklin, Ca

> One of the best books on the subject is Pavel Tsatsouline's " Super

> Joints. " The forerunner to this (and " Relax Into Stretch " ) is

> entitled " Beyond Stretching, " and is still available. I began doing

> the joint mobility drills that Pavel recommends before my resistance

> training workouts and found them to be superior to stretching. I

> intersperse them with warm up sets of whatever exercise I plan to do

> first (which is usually the one that requires the most effort).

>

> What is interesting about Pavel's stretching recommendations is that

> they're not the usual static stretches you normally see although

> they are similar. All of these books are available through

> http://www.dragondoor.com and are well worth having. Super Joints

> and Relax Into Stretch are better illustrated and have more

> information than Beyond Stretching.

>

> I realize my experience is anectodal, although I have been warming

> up this way for at least 5 years (which is not a short time period)

> and have found it superior to other methods. Of course that doesn't

> mean this method would be the best for someone else.

>

> These books are not laboratory studies, although I put little faith

> in much of them when it comes to exercise since they usually use

> untrained individuals and for too short of a time to really see much

> in the way of results. A study that runs for 12 weeks will tell you

> very little since it takes years to develop either a physique or

> sports skills. The average adult who is introduced to the gym who

> has never been in one will just be getting their feet wet at 12

> weeks.

>

> Rosemary Vernon, Editor

> Dolfzine On-Line Fitness, Inc.®

> A Not-For-Profit Foundation

> www.dolfzine.com

>

> Marina del Rey, CA

> IronRoses@e...

> http://www.chuckietechie.com

[Guest guest]

Rosemary,

Pavel's joint mobility drills are excellent not only for pre-workout

warm-ups but sports warm-up also. I also noticed that these

exercises greatly improve quality of life for seniors and any one

else who uses these exercises. I have clients improve sports

performance, reduce pain and some even being able to turn their head

enough to check the blind spot while driving- which should make us

all feel better. Joint mobility training has also been very valuable

in the rehabilitation after the surgery to repair my fractured

clavicle. These drills should be learned at youth and then continued

lifelong. I encourage everyone on this list to learn and benefit

from these exercises.

Tom Rankin CSCS

Rocklin, Ca

> One of the best books on the subject is Pavel Tsatsouline's " Super

> Joints. " The forerunner to this (and " Relax Into Stretch " ) is

> entitled " Beyond Stretching, " and is still available. I began doing

> the joint mobility drills that Pavel recommends before my resistance

> training workouts and found them to be superior to stretching. I

> intersperse them with warm up sets of whatever exercise I plan to do

> first (which is usually the one that requires the most effort).

>

> What is interesting about Pavel's stretching recommendations is that

> they're not the usual static stretches you normally see although

> they are similar. All of these books are available through

> http://www.dragondoor.com and are well worth having. Super Joints

> and Relax Into Stretch are better illustrated and have more

> information than Beyond Stretching.

>

> I realize my experience is anectodal, although I have been warming

> up this way for at least 5 years (which is not a short time period)

> and have found it superior to other methods. Of course that doesn't

> mean this method would be the best for someone else.

>

> These books are not laboratory studies, although I put little faith

> in much of them when it comes to exercise since they usually use

> untrained individuals and for too short of a time to really see much

> in the way of results. A study that runs for 12 weeks will tell you

> very little since it takes years to develop either a physique or

> sports skills. The average adult who is introduced to the gym who

> has never been in one will just be getting their feet wet at 12

> weeks.

>

> Rosemary Vernon, Editor

> Dolfzine On-Line Fitness, Inc.®

> A Not-For-Profit Foundation

> www.dolfzine.com

>

> Marina del Rey, CA

> IronRoses@e...

> http://www.chuckietechie.com

[Guest guest]

Rosemary Vernon wrote:

" ... I put little faith in much of [laboratory studies] when it

comes to exercise since they usually use untrained individuals and

for too short of a time to really see much in the way of results. A

study that runs for 12 weeks will tell you very little since it

takes years to develop either a physique or sports skills. The

average adult who is introduced to the gym who has never been in one

will just be getting their feet wet at 12 weeks. "

Rosemary,

I trust you already know that there exists plenty of studies that

use trained subjects for longer periods. Choose your studies

carefully. Besides, one should consider studies in the context they

were performed.

Regards,

ny Nguyen

Redwood City, Ca.

[Guest guest]

Rosemary Vernon wrote:

" ... I put little faith in much of [laboratory studies] when it

comes to exercise since they usually use untrained individuals and

for too short of a time to really see much in the way of results. A

study that runs for 12 weeks will tell you very little since it

takes years to develop either a physique or sports skills. The

average adult who is introduced to the gym who has never been in one

will just be getting their feet wet at 12 weeks. "

Rosemary,

I trust you already know that there exists plenty of studies that

use trained subjects for longer periods. Choose your studies

carefully. Besides, one should consider studies in the context they

were performed.

Regards,

ny Nguyen

Redwood City, Ca.

[Guest guest]

ny Nguyen writes:

<< Rosemary Vernon wrote:

" ... I put little faith in much of [laboratory studies] when it

comes to exercise since they usually use untrained individuals and

for too short of a time to really see much in the way of results. A

study that runs for 12 weeks will tell you very little since it

takes years to develop either a physique or sports skills. The

average adult who is introduced to the gym who has never been in one

will just be getting their feet wet at 12 weeks. "

Nguyen--

<Rosemary,

I trust you already know that there exists plenty of studies that

use trained subjects for longer periods. Choose your studies

carefully. Besides, one should consider studies in the context they

were performed>

Tely,

You are both right! I am befuddled by ascribing which of you is " heads " and

which one " tails "

Jerry " KOAT " Telle

Lakewood CO USA